Guest guest Posted April 8, 2003 Report Share Posted April 8, 2003 In a message dated 4/8/03 12:33:05 PM Mountain Daylight Time, Joyce@... writes: > Please advise where you got the information that soy has the potential to > cause breast cancer. > Thanks, > Joyce A. > Joyce, I think it is not " cause " but increases risk of. Adrienne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2003 Report Share Posted April 8, 2003 In a message dated 4/8/2003 12:43:00 PM Pacific Daylight Time, duckblossm@... writes: > Joyce, > I think it is not " cause " but increases risk of. > Adrienne this is controversial. soy contains phytoestrogens (plant estrogens) that are similar to the estrogens produced by the human body (endogenous). however, phytoestrogens are much, much weaker than the enogenous estrogens. the phytoestrogens fill up the receptor sites for the endogenous estrogens, causing more endogenously produced estrogen to be excreted from the body. this is good because again the phytoestrogens are so much weaker than the endogenous ones. thus, it is thought in premenapausal women, soy intake DECREASES the risk of breast and other hormonally influenced cancers. however, in post-menapausal women, who are producing very ittle estrogen, it is possible that the phytoestrogens introduced by the soy, because they are introducing estrogen into a system which has very little MIGHT increase the risk of breast cancer. stephanie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 List, In reviewing current medical literature (mostly human studies) on the feared relationship between soy/genistein and breast cancer, I fail to find anything alarming. I am not a fan of GMO soy, but I do find many components of soy that are characterized by fear mongers as horrible, are in fact quite useful for fighting cancer. One site suggested on this list vilified the phytic acid component in soy. In the general lack of balance or fairness in the article they neglected to mention that the Satanic mineral-depleting phytic acid is the selfsame compound as IP6 that has been beatified on other sites for its miraculous cancer-fighting properties. Others have suggested that only fermented soy should be used, but this contains genistein which is in high concentration in Haelan, the patented fermented soy drink that is used by many cancer patients who can afford it. About ten years ago I had a talk with Italian gynecologist-oncologist Claudio D'Arrigo. We were both interested in the anti-cancer properties found in pittosporum. He said that he found both cancer-treating/preventing and cancer-causing/promoting compounds in every plant he examined and he believed this to be a universal. At the time I thought " those crazy Italians " but now I entertain some of these same thoughts. (abstracts below) ------------------ Nutr Cancer. 2009 Nov;61(6):792-8. Early intake appears to be the key to the proposed protective effects of soy intake against breast cancer. <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=%22Messina%20M%22%5BAuthor%5D>Messina M, <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=%22Hilakivi-e%20L%22%5BAuthor%5D>H\ ilakivi-e L. Loma University, Loma , California, USA. markm@... Abstract There is a large variation in breast cancer incidence and mortality rates worldwide. Migration studies have indicated that this variation is primarily the result of lifestyle influences. Although there has been much research conducted, definitively identifying dietary factors that impact breast cancer risk has proven difficult. In part this may be because most clinical and epidemiologic studies have focused on adult dietary exposure. However, evidence suggests that childhood and/or adolescence is the period of life when the breast is most sensitive to dietary influences. Further, the available epidemiologic and animal data suggest that early soy intake reduces breast cancer risk. Soy foods are unique dietary sources of isoflavones, diphenolic compounds that exert estrogen-like effects under certain experimental conditions. The protection effects of soy may result from the soybean isoflavones stimulating differentiation of the breast in much the same way that the elevated estrogen levels do during pregnancy. More specifically, in rats, the primary isoflavone genistein reduces mammary tumorigenesis and increases mammary tissue differentiation by leading to a reduction in the number of terminal end buds (TEB) and an increase in the number of differentiated lobules. There is need and justification for continued investigation of the early soy intake hypothesis, particularly to determine the cellular targets of soy action and to identify the signaling pathways mediating the effects on mammary gland morphology and susceptibility to breast cancer. PMID: 20155618 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] ------------------------------------ Am J Clin Nutr. 2009 May;89(5):1673S-1679S. Epub 2009 Apr 1. Perspectives on the soy-breast cancer relation. <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=%22Messina%20M%22%5BAuthor%5D>Messina M, <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=%22Wu%20AH%22%5BAuthor%5D>Wu AH. Department of Nutrition, School of Public, Health, Loma University, Loma , CA, USA. markm@... Abstract There has been considerable investigation of the potential for soy foods to reduce risk of breast cancer. Initial enthusiasm for this research was partially based on the historically low incidence rates of breast cancer and high soy food intake in Japan. There are several putative soybean chemopreventive agents, but most cancer research has focused on isoflavones. Isoflavones possess both hormonal and nonhormonal properties relevant to carcinogenesis. Recent epidemiologic analyses indicate that among Asians high soy intake is associated with an approximate one-third reduction in the risk of both pre- and postmenopausal breast cancer. However, several lines of evidence suggest that to derive maximum protection against breast cancer, soy must be consumed early in life. This evidence is consistent with the lack of significant effects noted in clinical studies that have evaluated the effects of isoflavone-containing products on breast cancer risk markers. Isoflavones may exert their putative protective effects by stimulating breast cell differentiation in a manner similar to that which is thought to occur during early pregnancy. Finally, the ability of the isoflavone genistein to stimulate the growth of mammary tumors in ovariectomized athymic nude mice implanted with estrogen-sensitive breast cancer cells has raised concern that soy foods, and especially isoflavone supplements, are contraindicated for patients with breast cancer and women at high risk of breast cancer. However, findings from clinical studies, in which breast biopsies have been taken or breast tissue density measured after isoflavone exposure, are reassuring and contrast with the proliferative effects of conventional combined hormone therapy, although understanding of the effect of soy and isoflavones on breast tissues remains imprecise. PMID: 19339397 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] ---------------------------------------- J Epidemiol. 2010 Mar 5;20(2):83-9. Epub 2010 Feb 20. Factors to consider in the association between soy isoflavone intake and breast cancer risk. <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=%22Nagata%20C%22%5BAuthor%5D>Nagata C. Department of Epidemiology & Preventive Medicine, Gifu University Graduate School of Medicine, Yanagido, Gifu, Japan. chisato@... Abstract It has been suggested that soy isoflavones have protective effects against breast cancer. However, data from epidemiological studies are not conclusive. A recent meta-analysis showed that soy intake was inversely associated with breast cancer risk in Asian but not Western populations, which indicates that protection against breast cancer may require that women consume levels of soy typical in Asian diets. In addition to the amount of soy isoflavones consumed, the form and food source of isoflavones, timing of isoflavone exposure, estrogen receptor status of tumors, and equol-producer status and hormonal profile of individuals may modify the association between soy isoflavone intake and the risk of breast cancer. These factors might explain the heterogeneity of results from studies. This present report contrasts background data from Japanese and Western women to identify the potential modifying of these factors. PMID: 20173308 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] --------------------------- J Clin Oncol. 2008 Apr 1;26(10):1677-83. Epub 2008 Mar 3. Plasma isoflavone level and subsequent risk of breast cancer among Japanese women: a nested case-control study from the Japan Public Health Center-based prospective study group. <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=%22Iwasaki%20M%22%5BAuthor%5D>Iwasaki M, <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=%22Inoue%20M%22%5BAuthor%5D>Inoue M, <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=%22Otani%20T%22%5BAuthor%5D>Otani T, <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=%22Sasazuki%20S%22%5BAuthor%5D>Sasazuki S, <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=%22Kurahashi%20N%22%5BAuthor%5D>Kurahas\ hi N, <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=%22Miura%20T%22%5BAuthor%5D>Miura T, <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=%22Yamamoto%20S%22%5BAuthor%5D>Yamamoto S, <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=%22Tsugane%20S%22%5BAuthor%5D>Tsugane S; <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=%22Japan%20Public%20Health%20Center-bas\ ed%20prospective%20study%20group%22%5BCorporate%20Author%5D>Japan Public Health Center-based prospective study group. Epidemiology and Prevention Division, Research Center for Cancer Prevention and Screening, National Cancer Center, 5-1-1 Tsukiji, Chuo-ku, Tokyo, 104-0045, Japan. moiwasak@... Abstract PURPOSE: Because they have large variations in consumption, Asian countries are suitable settings for studies of the effect of relatively high-dose isoflavone intake on breast cancer risk. Nevertheless, no prospective study from Asia has assessed blood or urine levels as biomarkers of isoflavone intake. PATIENTS AND METHODS: A total of 24,226 women ages 40 to 69 years in the Japan Public Health Center-based prospective study who responded to the baseline questionnaire and provided blood in 1990 to 1995 were observed to December 2002. During a mean 10.6 years of follow-up, 144 patients newly diagnosed with breast cancer were identified. Two matched controls for each patient were selected from the cohort. Isoflavone levels were assessed by plasma level and food frequency questionnaire, and the odds ratio of breast cancer according to isoflavone level was estimated using a conditional logistic regression model. RESULTS: We found a statistically significant inverse association between plasma genistein and risk of breast cancer, but no association for plasma daidzein. Adjusted odds ratios for the highest versus lowest quartile of plasma level were 0.34 for genistein (95% CI, 0.16 to 0.74; P for trend, .02) and 0.71 for daidzein (95% CI, 0.35 to 1.44; P for trend, .54). Median plasma genistein values in the control group were 31.9 ng/mL for the lowest and 353.9 ng/mL for the highest quartile groups. Regarding dietary intake of isoflavones, nonsignificant inverse associations were observed for both genistein and daidzein. CONCLUSION: This nested case-control study found an inverse association between plasma genistein and the risk of breast cancer in Japan. PMID: 18316793 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] --------------------------- Br J Cancer. 2008 Jan 15;98(1):9-14. Epub 2008 Jan 8. Epidemiology of soy exposures and breast cancer risk. <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=%22Wu%20AH%22%5BAuthor%5D>Wu AH, <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=%22Yu%20MC%22%5BAuthor%5D>Yu MC, <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=%22Tseng%20CC%22%5BAuthor%5D>Tseng CC, <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=%22Pike%20MC%22%5BAuthor%5D>Pike MC. Department of Preventive Medicine, Keck School of Medicine, University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089-9175, USA. annawu@... Abstract Most of the early studies published on soy and breast cancer were not designed to test the effect of soy; the assessment of soy intake was usually crude and few potential confounders were considered in the analysis. In this review, we focused on studies with relatively complete assessment of dietary soy exposure in the targeted populations and appropriate consideration for potential confounders in the statistical analysis of study data. Meta-analysis of the 8 (1 cohort, 7 case-control) studies conducted in high-soy-consuming Asians show a significant trend of decreasing risk with increasing soy food intake. Compared to the lowest level of soy food intake (<or=5 mg isoflavones per day), risk was intermediate (OR=0.88, 95% confidence interval (CI)=0.78-0.98) among those with modest ( approximately 10 mg isoflavones per day) intake and lowest (OR=0.71, 95% CI=0.60-0.85) among those with high intake (>or=20 mg isoflavones per day). In contrast, soy intake was unrelated to breast cancer risk in studies conducted in the 11 low-soy-consuming Western populations whose average highest and lowest soy isoflavone intake levels were around 0.8 and 0.15 mg per day, respectively. Thus, the evidence to date, based largely on case-control studies, suggest that soy food intake in the amount consumed in Asian populations may have protective effects against breast cancer. PMID: 18182974 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2010 Report Share Posted June 25, 2010 , I have felt so grateful that there is someone out there who really knows what's going on regarding cancer treatments etc and I'm very happy to read that you're doing well!  I was wondering what you thought about using Tofu (store bought not fermented) after having breast cancer. Thanks, ________________________________ From: VGammill <vgammill@...> Sent: Mon, June 21, 2010 1:02:16 PM Subject: [ ] soy and breast cancer  List, In reviewing current medical literature (mostly human studies) on the feared relationship between soy/genistein and breast cancer, I fail to find anything alarming. I am not a fan of GMO soy, but I do find many components of soy that are characterized by fear mongers as horrible, are in fact quite useful for fighting cancer. One site suggested on this list vilified the phytic acid component in soy. In the general lack of balance or fairness in the article they neglected to mention that the Satanic mineral-depleting phytic acid is the selfsame compound as IP6 that has been beatified on other sites for its miraculous cancer-fighting properties. Others have suggested that only fermented soy should be used, but this contains genistein which is in high concentration in Haelan, the patented fermented soy drink that is used by many cancer patients who can afford it. About ten years ago I had a talk with Italian gynecologist-oncologist Claudio D'Arrigo. We were both interested in the anti-cancer properties found in pittosporum. He said that he found both cancer-treating/preventing and cancer-causing/promoting compounds in every plant he examined and he believed this to be a universal. At the time I thought " those crazy Italians " but now I entertain some of these same thoughts. (abstracts below) ------------------ Nutr Cancer. 2009 Nov;61(6):792-8. Early intake appears to be the key to the proposed protective effects of soy intake against breast cancer. <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=%22Messina%20M%22%5BAuthor%5D>Messina M, <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=%22Hilakivi-e%20L%22%5BAuthor%5D>H\ ilakivi-e L. Loma University, Loma , California, USA. markm@... Abstract There is a large variation in breast cancer incidence and mortality rates worldwide. Migration studies have indicated that this variation is primarily the result of lifestyle influences. Although there has been much research conducted, definitively identifying dietary factors that impact breast cancer risk has proven difficult. In part this may be because most clinical and epidemiologic studies have focused on adult dietary exposure. However, evidence suggests that childhood and/or adolescence is the period of life when the breast is most sensitive to dietary influences. Further, the available epidemiologic and animal data suggest that early soy intake reduces breast cancer risk. Soy foods are unique dietary sources of isoflavones, diphenolic compounds that exert estrogen-like effects under certain experimental conditions. The protection effects of soy may result from the soybean isoflavones stimulating differentiation of the breast in much the same way that the elevated estrogen levels do during pregnancy. More specifically, in rats, the primary isoflavone genistein reduces mammary tumorigenesis and increases mammary tissue differentiation by leading to a reduction in the number of terminal end buds (TEB) and an increase in the number of differentiated lobules. There is need and justification for continued investigation of the early soy intake hypothesis, particularly to determine the cellular targets of soy action and to identify the signaling pathways mediating the effects on mammary gland morphology and susceptibility to breast cancer. PMID: 20155618 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] ------------------------------------ Am J Clin Nutr. 2009 May;89(5):1673S-1679S. Epub 2009 Apr 1. Perspectives on the soy-breast cancer relation. <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=%22Messina%20M%22%5BAuthor%5D>Messina M, <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=%22Wu%20AH%22%5BAuthor%5D>Wu AH. Department of Nutrition, School of Public, Health, Loma University, Loma , CA, USA. markm@... Abstract There has been considerable investigation of the potential for soy foods to reduce risk of breast cancer. Initial enthusiasm for this research was partially based on the historically low incidence rates of breast cancer and high soy food intake in Japan. There are several putative soybean chemopreventive agents, but most cancer research has focused on isoflavones. Isoflavones possess both hormonal and nonhormonal properties relevant to carcinogenesis. Recent epidemiologic analyses indicate that among Asians high soy intake is associated with an approximate one-third reduction in the risk of both pre- and postmenopausal breast cancer. However, several lines of evidence suggest that to derive maximum protection against breast cancer, soy must be consumed early in life. This evidence is consistent with the lack of significant effects noted in clinical studies that have evaluated the effects of isoflavone-containing products on breast cancer risk markers. Isoflavones may exert their putative protective effects by stimulating breast cell differentiation in a manner similar to that which is thought to occur during early pregnancy. Finally, the ability of the isoflavone genistein to stimulate the growth of mammary tumors in ovariectomized athymic nude mice implanted with estrogen-sensitive breast cancer cells has raised concern that soy foods, and especially isoflavone supplements, are contraindicated for patients with breast cancer and women at high risk of breast cancer. However, findings from clinical studies, in which breast biopsies have been taken or breast tissue density measured after isoflavone exposure, are reassuring and contrast with the proliferative effects of conventional combined hormone therapy, although understanding of the effect of soy and isoflavones on breast tissues remains imprecise. PMID: 19339397 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] ---------------------------------------- J Epidemiol. 2010 Mar 5;20(2):83-9. Epub 2010 Feb 20. Factors to consider in the association between soy isoflavone intake and breast cancer risk. <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=%22Nagata%20C%22%5BAuthor%5D>Nagata C. Department of Epidemiology & Preventive Medicine, Gifu University Graduate School of Medicine, Yanagido, Gifu, Japan. chisato@... Abstract It has been suggested that soy isoflavones have protective effects against breast cancer. However, data from epidemiological studies are not conclusive. A recent meta-analysis showed that soy intake was inversely associated with breast cancer risk in Asian but not Western populations, which indicates that protection against breast cancer may require that women consume levels of soy typical in Asian diets. In addition to the amount of soy isoflavones consumed, the form and food source of isoflavones, timing of isoflavone exposure, estrogen receptor status of tumors, and equol-producer status and hormonal profile of individuals may modify the association between soy isoflavone intake and the risk of breast cancer. These factors might explain the heterogeneity of results from studies. This present report contrasts background data from Japanese and Western women to identify the potential modifying of these factors. PMID: 20173308 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] --------------------------- J Clin Oncol. 2008 Apr 1;26(10):1677-83. Epub 2008 Mar 3. Plasma isoflavone level and subsequent risk of breast cancer among Japanese women: a nested case-control study from the Japan Public Health Center-based prospective study group. <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=%22Iwasaki%20M%22%5BAuthor%5D>Iwasaki M, <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=%22Inoue%20M%22%5BAuthor%5D>Inoue M, <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=%22Otani%20T%22%5BAuthor%5D>Otani T, <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=%22Sasazuki%20S%22%5BAuthor%5D>Sasazuki S, <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=%22Kurahashi%20N%22%5BAuthor%5D>Kurahas\ hi N, <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=%22Miura%20T%22%5BAuthor%5D>Miura T, <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=%22Yamamoto%20S%22%5BAuthor%5D>Yamamoto S, <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=%22Tsugane%20S%22%5BAuthor%5D>Tsugane S; <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=%22Japan%20Public%20Health%20Center-bas\ ed%20prospective%20study%20group%22%5BCorporate%20Author%5D>Japan Public Health Center-based prospective study group. Epidemiology and Prevention Division, Research Center for Cancer Prevention and Screening, National Cancer Center, 5-1-1 Tsukiji, Chuo-ku, Tokyo, 104-0045, Japan. moiwasak@... Abstract PURPOSE: Because they have large variations in consumption, Asian countries are suitable settings for studies of the effect of relatively high-dose isoflavone intake on breast cancer risk. Nevertheless, no prospective study from Asia has assessed blood or urine levels as biomarkers of isoflavone intake. PATIENTS AND METHODS: A total of 24,226 women ages 40 to 69 years in the Japan Public Health Center-based prospective study who responded to the baseline questionnaire and provided blood in 1990 to 1995 were observed to December 2002. During a mean 10.6 years of follow-up, 144 patients newly diagnosed with breast cancer were identified. Two matched controls for each patient were selected from the cohort. Isoflavone levels were assessed by plasma level and food frequency questionnaire, and the odds ratio of breast cancer according to isoflavone level was estimated using a conditional logistic regression model. RESULTS: We found a statistically significant inverse association between plasma genistein and risk of breast cancer, but no association for plasma daidzein. Adjusted odds ratios for the highest versus lowest quartile of plasma level were 0.34 for genistein (95% CI, 0.16 to 0.74; P for trend, .02) and 0.71 for daidzein (95% CI, 0.35 to 1.44; P for trend, .54). Median plasma genistein values in the control group were 31.9 ng/mL for the lowest and 353.9 ng/mL for the highest quartile groups. Regarding dietary intake of isoflavones, nonsignificant inverse associations were observed for both genistein and daidzein. CONCLUSION: This nested case-control study found an inverse association between plasma genistein and the risk of breast cancer in Japan. PMID: 18316793 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] --------------------------- Br J Cancer. 2008 Jan 15;98(1):9-14. Epub 2008 Jan 8. Epidemiology of soy exposures and breast cancer risk. <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=%22Wu%20AH%22%5BAuthor%5D>Wu AH, <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=%22Yu%20MC%22%5BAuthor%5D>Yu MC, <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=%22Tseng%20CC%22%5BAuthor%5D>Tseng CC, <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=%22Pike%20MC%22%5BAuthor%5D>Pike MC. Department of Preventive Medicine, Keck School of Medicine, University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089-9175, USA. annawu@... Abstract Most of the early studies published on soy and breast cancer were not designed to test the effect of soy; the assessment of soy intake was usually crude and few potential confounders were considered in the analysis. In this review, we focused on studies with relatively complete assessment of dietary soy exposure in the targeted populations and appropriate consideration for potential confounders in the statistical analysis of study data. Meta-analysis of the 8 (1 cohort, 7 case-control) studies conducted in high-soy-consuming Asians show a significant trend of decreasing risk with increasing soy food intake. Compared to the lowest level of soy food intake (<or=5 mg isoflavones per day), risk was intermediate (OR=0.88, 95% confidence interval (CI)=0.78-0.98) among those with modest ( approximately 10 mg isoflavones per day) intake and lowest (OR=0.71, 95% CI=0.60-0.85) among those with high intake (>or=20 mg isoflavones per day). In contrast, soy intake was unrelated to breast cancer risk in studies conducted in the 11 low-soy-consuming Western populations whose average highest and lowest soy isoflavone intake levels were around 0.8 and 0.15 mg per day, respectively. Thus, the evidence to date, based largely on case-control studies, suggest that soy food intake in the amount consumed in Asian populations may have protective effects against breast cancer. PMID: 18182974 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2010 Report Share Posted June 25, 2010 , You can answer this question yourself by seeing if it will pass the laugh test. Say: " Poor , she died because she ate a serving of store-bought tofu in a moment of weakness. " If it sounds too silly for words, then it is too silly for words. Thank you for the compliment. I am doing well at the moment, but like everyone else, I fear a shift in the wind. At 10:17 AM 6/25/2010, you wrote: > >, >I have felt so grateful that there is someone >out there who really knows what's going on >regarding cancer treatments etc and I'm very >happy to read that you're doing well! Â I was >wondering what you thought about using Tofu >(store bought not fermented) after having breast cancer. Thanks, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2010 Report Share Posted June 25, 2010 Hi , Yes, that would be silly, I used to eat alot of tofu (much in Asian recipes) and wondered if the Dr's warning about it was valid. I pray that you continue on your path to perfect health. Sincerely, From: VGammill Sent: Fri, June 25, 2010 Subject: Re: [ ] soy and breast cancer  , You can answer this question yourself by seeing if it will pass the laugh test. Say: " Poor , she died because she ate a serving of store-bought tofu in a moment of weakness. " If it sounds too silly for words, then it is too silly for words. Thank you for the compliment. I am doing well at the moment, but like everyone else, I fear a shift in the wind. At 10:17 AM 6/25/2010, you wrote: > >, >I have felt so grateful that there is someone >out there who really knows what's going on >regarding cancer treatments etc and I'm very >happy to read that you're doing well! I was >wondering what you thought about using Tofu >(store bought not fermented) after having breast cancer. Thanks, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2010 Report Share Posted June 26, 2010 Soy that has not been fermented is a poison ! http://www.naturalhealthstrategies.com/dangers-of-soy.html http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/03soymyths.htm Please don't eat non fermented soy. Vicki > > > >, > >I have felt so grateful that there is someone > >out there who really knows what's going on > >regarding cancer treatments etc and I'm very > >happy to read that you're doing well! I was > >wondering what you thought about using Tofu > >(store bought not fermented) after having breast cancer. Thanks, > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2010 Report Share Posted June 26, 2010 At 07:59 AM 6/26/2010, Vicki wrote: > >Soy that has not been fermented is a poison ! Vicki, I think that you are overstating the case. How is unfermented soy more toxic than the standard American diet that is saturated with high fructose corn syrup, trans fats, preservatives, colorants, bromide " conditioners, " BPA, fluoride, genetically-modified mysteries, antibiotics and endocrine disrupters? Unfermented soy is less toxic than virtually all the millions of lbs of medicines that Americans lap up each year. Sure there are thousands of healthier things to eat than unfermented soy and almost all of them taste better too. Having a few chunks of tofu in your miso is such an absolute non-issue compared to the smarmy financial relationship of the B. Komen Foundation and Kentucky Fried Chicken. http://blogs.laweekly.com/squidink/fast-food/kfc-susan-komen-deceptive-ad-c/ What's next, the American Cancer Society slipping into bed with Marlboro cigarettes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2010 Report Share Posted June 26, 2010 Thank you for the info, I had no idea that unfermented soy wasn't a healthy alternative to meat. ________________________________ From: VGammill <vgammill@...> Sent: Sat, June 26, 2010 10:10:28 AM Subject: Re: [ ] Re: soy and breast cancer  At 07:59 AM 6/26/2010, Vicki wrote: > >Soy that has not been fermented is a poison ! Vicki, I think that you are overstating the case. How is unfermented soy more toxic than the standard American diet that is saturated with high fructose corn syrup, trans fats, preservatives, colorants, bromide " conditioners, " BPA, fluoride, genetically-modified mysteries, antibiotics and endocrine disrupters? Unfermented soy is less toxic than virtually all the millions of lbs of medicines that Americans lap up each year. Sure there are thousands of healthier things to eat than unfermented soy and almost all of them taste better too. Having a few chunks of tofu in your miso is such an absolute non-issue compared to the smarmy financial relationship of the B. Komen Foundation and Kentucky Fried Chicken. http://blogs.laweekly.com/squidink/fast-food/kfc-susan-komen-deceptive-ad-c/ What's next, the American Cancer Society slipping into bed with Marlboro cigarettes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2010 Report Share Posted June 26, 2010 Long-time vegetarian here. I always love reading about soy. Here's the deal - I, personally, won't eat a lot of it because I'm severely allergic to it. Now, don't believe the media hype about it being good for you - it's not. The Asians know how to eat soy - fermented and in small amounts. Americans will have soy milk in their cereal or coffee, then have tofu burgers at lunch, and then eat baked tofu full of flavorings and gunk for dinner. Nothing about this is healthy. But, as a treat once in awhile, why not? Will eating soy cause estrogen positive breast cancer to grow? Who really knows? Certainly not the experts. There is a woman in England (she wrote a book, but don't expect me to remember who she is), who has had something like three recurrances of breast cancer. She said her third recurrance was her last because she has eliminated all dairy from her life and she is eating tons and tons of soy (and not the fermented kind). She says she made it through chemo without losing her hair because of her diet. As with all things, it's a personal choice once you have the facts. There is nothing processed that is going to be good for you if you eat it all the time. Also, large amounts of soy may inhibit your thyroid. And, it is one of the number one allergens out there. ar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2010 Report Share Posted June 26, 2010 Look at what was written: " she ate a serving of store-bought tofu in a moment of weakness. " and you will see it speaks to 'a' portion, not a steady diet and I suppose was said to help people avoid thrashing themselves for that " moment of weakness " creating such guilt that the tension created would do more harm than that " portion " of anything. If our fate revolves around 'a' anything, we are in trouble because walking down any street will result in the inhalation of toxins from any number is sources. Joe C. From: VGammill Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 2:41 PM Subject: Re: [ ] soy and breast cancer , You can answer this question yourself by seeing if it will pass the laugh test. Say: " Poor , she died because she ate a serving of store-bought tofu in a moment of weakness. " If it sounds too silly for words, then it is too silly for words. Thank you for the compliment. I am doing well at the moment, but like everyone else, I fear a shift in the wind. At 10:17 AM 6/25/2010, you wrote: > >, >I have felt so grateful that there is someone >out there who really knows what's going on >regarding cancer treatments etc and I'm very >happy to read that you're doing well! Â I was >wondering what you thought about using Tofu >(store bought not fermented) after having breast cancer. Thanks, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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