Guest guest Posted April 27, 2000 Report Share Posted April 27, 2000 Hiya . Sounds okay to me according to the way I look at things at least. I was going to suggest that you cut back on the deprenyl but then I remembered your age. 5 mg for someone at your age should be fine. 200 grams of protein is on the high side, but if you're really working out hard and putting on muscle then that's probably not a problem. > I also noticed that my sexual stamina is not where it should be. Should I > eliminate the Saw Palmetto? That might be worth trying if you don't need it for other reasons. Most people take it for BPH. Supposedly it blocks DHT and competes with estrogen receptors in the prostate. I wouldn't worry too much about taking Yohimbine with deprenyl, as long as you're taking only modest doses of both. This is because deprenyl is a MAO-B inhibitor. The problems associated with MAO inhibitors pertain to MAO-A and not MAO-B. And of course Yohimbine is supposed to be the male sex potency supplement of all time, so if you don't take it everyday then you might consider taking it at least on those days when your sweetheart is around. Viagra is another option if sex is really a problem. I have a source for viagra in raw powdered form, by the way, and at a great price with no prescription needed. I have sources for everything... -gts > Well here goes------ > > I'm a 62 year old body builder, who has just started taking growth hormone, > approximately three weeks ago. I'm taking one IU in the morning and one IU > in evening. I have noticed no increase in muscle mass or strength. I have > gone however from 11 percent body fat down to approximately 7 percent body > fat.. Which is nice! My intention is to give you list of the things I'm > taking. I'm seeking advice as to what I should eliminate that may be in > conflict with one another. > > I'm taking five milligrams of deprenyl cyprenate per day, I just started > about a week ago. I take GLB. At bedtime along with melatonin. I also take > vitamins a,--B. plus, vitamin C.,--C. L. A., tribulus with D. H. E.A., > pregnenolone, stinging nettle, adipo kinetix fat burner, guggulbolic, > approximately 200 grams of protein, in addition to meal substitutes such as > HDT--M. R. P. 44, which has 26 carbohydrates per serving along with many > other vitamins and minerals and amino acids. I also take a super saw > palmetto by action labs .it contains saw Palmetto, pygeum, pumpkin seeds, > glyclne,l-alanine, cayenne. > > All of this is my daily intake.I was taking yohimbine, up until today when I > just realized that it was not to be taken with an an MAO inhibitor. As of > today I stopped yohimbine. > I'm having some slight headaches during the day, very minor. I'm wondering > if there is any conflict in what I'm taking? > Does anybody have any suggestions as to what I should eliminate if anything? > > I work out six days a week, Monday hard day, Tuesday very light day > ,Wednesday hard day,Thursday very light day, Friday hard day, Saturday very > light day. > > My main concern is that I might be taking something that conflicts with > something else. > > I also noticed that my sexual stamina is not where it should be. Should I > eliminate the Saw Palmetto? > > Any insight would be greatly appreciated. > > I did receive a message from someone, which accidentally became deleted, I > was unable to open the file. > Anyway thank you all for your response. Keep up the good work. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2000 Report Share Posted April 27, 2000 Hiya . Sounds okay to me according to the way I look at things at least. I was going to suggest that you cut back on the deprenyl but then I remembered your age. 5 mg for someone at your age should be fine. 200 grams of protein is on the high side, but if you're really working out hard and putting on muscle then that's probably not a problem. > I also noticed that my sexual stamina is not where it should be. Should I > eliminate the Saw Palmetto? That might be worth trying if you don't need it for other reasons. Most people take it for BPH. Supposedly it blocks DHT and competes with estrogen receptors in the prostate. I wouldn't worry too much about taking Yohimbine with deprenyl, as long as you're taking only modest doses of both. This is because deprenyl is a MAO-B inhibitor. The problems associated with MAO inhibitors pertain to MAO-A and not MAO-B. And of course Yohimbine is supposed to be the male sex potency supplement of all time, so if you don't take it everyday then you might consider taking it at least on those days when your sweetheart is around. Viagra is another option if sex is really a problem. I have a source for viagra in raw powdered form, by the way, and at a great price with no prescription needed. I have sources for everything... -gts > Well here goes------ > > I'm a 62 year old body builder, who has just started taking growth hormone, > approximately three weeks ago. I'm taking one IU in the morning and one IU > in evening. I have noticed no increase in muscle mass or strength. I have > gone however from 11 percent body fat down to approximately 7 percent body > fat.. Which is nice! My intention is to give you list of the things I'm > taking. I'm seeking advice as to what I should eliminate that may be in > conflict with one another. > > I'm taking five milligrams of deprenyl cyprenate per day, I just started > about a week ago. I take GLB. At bedtime along with melatonin. I also take > vitamins a,--B. plus, vitamin C.,--C. L. A., tribulus with D. H. E.A., > pregnenolone, stinging nettle, adipo kinetix fat burner, guggulbolic, > approximately 200 grams of protein, in addition to meal substitutes such as > HDT--M. R. P. 44, which has 26 carbohydrates per serving along with many > other vitamins and minerals and amino acids. I also take a super saw > palmetto by action labs .it contains saw Palmetto, pygeum, pumpkin seeds, > glyclne,l-alanine, cayenne. > > All of this is my daily intake.I was taking yohimbine, up until today when I > just realized that it was not to be taken with an an MAO inhibitor. As of > today I stopped yohimbine. > I'm having some slight headaches during the day, very minor. I'm wondering > if there is any conflict in what I'm taking? > Does anybody have any suggestions as to what I should eliminate if anything? > > I work out six days a week, Monday hard day, Tuesday very light day > ,Wednesday hard day,Thursday very light day, Friday hard day, Saturday very > light day. > > My main concern is that I might be taking something that conflicts with > something else. > > I also noticed that my sexual stamina is not where it should be. Should I > eliminate the Saw Palmetto? > > Any insight would be greatly appreciated. > > I did receive a message from someone, which accidentally became deleted, I > was unable to open the file. > Anyway thank you all for your response. Keep up the good work. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2000 Report Share Posted April 27, 2000 , Welcome to our list and I would like to make a comment. I had a problem with a rather sudden drop in my testosterone level about four months ago, confirmed by blood tests, with a corresponding decrease in energy levels. Slowly over about two months terrible fatigue set in. The only thing I recall starting on when this happened Saw Palmetto and one product from an OMD (oriental medical doctor). So for what it's worth you might want to cut back or quit the SP. Also my levels did not go back up and I started on a Testosterone compounding cream, which has done wonders for me. Take care Dale R. Hersh P.S. Deprenyl is a MAO-B inhibitor and some problems associated with MAO-A inhibitors are not associated with MAO-B, especially the ones pertaining to certain foods. I can't tell you much more than that. gordon wrote: > Hiya . Sounds okay to me according to the way I look at things at > least. I was going to suggest that you cut back on the deprenyl but then I > remembered your age. 5 mg for someone at your age should be fine. > > 200 grams of protein is on the high side, but if you're really working out > hard and putting on muscle then that's probably not a problem. > > > I also noticed that my sexual stamina is not where it should be. Should I > > eliminate the Saw Palmetto? > > That might be worth trying if you don't need it for other reasons. Most > people take it for BPH. Supposedly it blocks DHT and competes with estrogen > receptors in the prostate. > > I wouldn't worry too much about taking Yohimbine with deprenyl, as long as > you're taking only modest doses of both. This is because deprenyl is a MAO-B > inhibitor. The problems associated with MAO inhibitors pertain to MAO-A and > not MAO-B. And of course Yohimbine is supposed to be the male sex potency > supplement of all time, so if you don't take it everyday then you might > consider taking it at least on those days when your sweetheart is around. > > Viagra is another option if sex is really a problem. I have a source for > viagra in raw powdered form, by the way, and at a great price with no > prescription needed. I have sources for everything... > > -gts > > > > > Well here goes------ > > > > I'm a 62 year old body builder, who has just started taking growth > hormone, > > approximately three weeks ago. I'm taking one IU in the morning and one > IU > > in evening. I have noticed no increase in muscle mass or strength. I > have > > gone however from 11 percent body fat down to approximately 7 percent body > > fat.. Which is nice! My intention is to give you list of the things I'm > > taking. I'm seeking advice as to what I should eliminate that may be in > > conflict with one another. > > > > I'm taking five milligrams of deprenyl cyprenate per day, I just started > > about a week ago. I take GLB. At bedtime along with melatonin. I also > take > > vitamins a,--B. plus, vitamin C.,--C. L. A., tribulus with D. H. E.A., > > pregnenolone, stinging nettle, adipo kinetix fat burner, guggulbolic, > > approximately 200 grams of protein, in addition to meal substitutes such > as > > HDT--M. R. P. 44, which has 26 carbohydrates per serving along with many > > other vitamins and minerals and amino acids. I also take a super saw > > palmetto by action labs .it contains saw Palmetto, pygeum, pumpkin seeds, > > glyclne,l-alanine, cayenne. > > > > All of this is my daily intake.I was taking yohimbine, up until today when > I > > just realized that it was not to be taken with an an MAO inhibitor. As of > > today I stopped yohimbine. > > I'm having some slight headaches during the day, very minor. I'm > wondering > > if there is any conflict in what I'm taking? > > Does anybody have any suggestions as to what I should eliminate if > anything? > > > > I work out six days a week, Monday hard day, Tuesday very light day > > ,Wednesday hard day,Thursday very light day, Friday hard day, Saturday > very > > light day. > > > > My main concern is that I might be taking something that conflicts with > > something else. > > > > I also noticed that my sexual stamina is not where it should be. Should I > > eliminate the Saw Palmetto? > > > > Any insight would be greatly appreciated. > > > > I did receive a message from someone, which accidentally became deleted, I > > was unable to open the file. > > Anyway thank you all for your response. Keep up the good work. > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Bids starting at $7 for thousands of products - uBid.com > 1/3027/7/_/164625/_/956852665/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2000 Report Share Posted April 27, 2000 . What is GLB? thanks " Dale R. Hersh " wrote: > , > > Welcome to our list and I would like to make a comment. I had a problem with a > rather sudden drop in my testosterone level about four months ago, confirmed by > blood tests, with a corresponding decrease in energy levels. Slowly over about > two months terrible fatigue set in. The only thing I recall starting on when > this happened Saw Palmetto and one product from an OMD (oriental medical > doctor). So for what it's worth you might want to cut back or quit the SP. > Also my levels did not go back up and I started on a Testosterone compounding > cream, which has done wonders for me. > > Take care > > Dale R. Hersh > > P.S. Deprenyl is a MAO-B inhibitor and some problems associated with MAO-A > inhibitors are not associated with MAO-B, especially the ones pertaining to > certain foods. I can't tell you much more than that. > > gordon wrote: > > > Hiya . Sounds okay to me according to the way I look at things at > > least. I was going to suggest that you cut back on the deprenyl but then I > > remembered your age. 5 mg for someone at your age should be fine. > > > > 200 grams of protein is on the high side, but if you're really working out > > hard and putting on muscle then that's probably not a problem. > > > > > I also noticed that my sexual stamina is not where it should be. Should I > > > eliminate the Saw Palmetto? > > > > That might be worth trying if you don't need it for other reasons. Most > > people take it for BPH. Supposedly it blocks DHT and competes with estrogen > > receptors in the prostate. > > > > I wouldn't worry too much about taking Yohimbine with deprenyl, as long as > > you're taking only modest doses of both. This is because deprenyl is a MAO-B > > inhibitor. The problems associated with MAO inhibitors pertain to MAO-A and > > not MAO-B. And of course Yohimbine is supposed to be the male sex potency > > supplement of all time, so if you don't take it everyday then you might > > consider taking it at least on those days when your sweetheart is around. > > > > Viagra is another option if sex is really a problem. I have a source for > > viagra in raw powdered form, by the way, and at a great price with no > > prescription needed. I have sources for everything... > > > > -gts > > > > > > > > > Well here goes------ > > > > > > I'm a 62 year old body builder, who has just started taking growth > > hormone, > > > approximately three weeks ago. I'm taking one IU in the morning and one > > IU > > > in evening. I have noticed no increase in muscle mass or strength. I > > have > > > gone however from 11 percent body fat down to approximately 7 percent body > > > fat.. Which is nice! My intention is to give you list of the things I'm > > > taking. I'm seeking advice as to what I should eliminate that may be in > > > conflict with one another. > > > > > > I'm taking five milligrams of deprenyl cyprenate per day, I just started > > > about a week ago. I take GLB. At bedtime along with melatonin. I also > > take > > > vitamins a,--B. plus, vitamin C.,--C. L. A., tribulus with D. H. E.A., > > > pregnenolone, stinging nettle, adipo kinetix fat burner, guggulbolic, > > > approximately 200 grams of protein, in addition to meal substitutes such > > as > > > HDT--M. R. P. 44, which has 26 carbohydrates per serving along with many > > > other vitamins and minerals and amino acids. I also take a super saw > > > palmetto by action labs .it contains saw Palmetto, pygeum, pumpkin seeds, > > > glyclne,l-alanine, cayenne. > > > > > > All of this is my daily intake.I was taking yohimbine, up until today when > > I > > > just realized that it was not to be taken with an an MAO inhibitor. As of > > > today I stopped yohimbine. > > > I'm having some slight headaches during the day, very minor. I'm > > wondering > > > if there is any conflict in what I'm taking? > > > Does anybody have any suggestions as to what I should eliminate if > > anything? > > > > > > I work out six days a week, Monday hard day, Tuesday very light day > > > ,Wednesday hard day,Thursday very light day, Friday hard day, Saturday > > very > > > light day. > > > > > > My main concern is that I might be taking something that conflicts with > > > something else. > > > > > > I also noticed that my sexual stamina is not where it should be. Should I > > > eliminate the Saw Palmetto? > > > > > > Any insight would be greatly appreciated. > > > > > > I did receive a message from someone, which accidentally became deleted, I > > > was unable to open the file. > > > Anyway thank you all for your response. Keep up the good work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Bids starting at $7 for thousands of products - uBid.com > > 1/3027/7/_/164625/_/956852665/ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2010 Report Share Posted June 20, 2010 Hi : I showed your protocol to my personal advocate and he wrote back the following. " Dear :  I reviewed the substances and protocol you have forwarded to me,....90% of these substances contain phenolic oxygen donors similar to those found in oleandrin, aloe latex, and olive leaf! The diet conforms to low glycemic index, and whole grain breads I do not discourage but ask to be selective and do not go overboard.  My biochemist states that the amines in this are still phenolic and the amino groups change the characteristics of phenols and become more stable, longer half-life than de-aminated phenols.  The cottage cheese aspect is very logical substitute as long as it is organic! Think about it! No carbohydrates, high in protein, calcium, plus fat soluable vitamins, and fats are in fact anti cancer and help you manufacture blood cells. Also, cancers do not absorbe and metabolize fats for energy,....this is why Alpha Lipoic Acid is wonderful way to hep burn fats.  The only thing that troubles me about this protocol is the complexity and the redundant active ingredients, I do not see most of my clients adhering to this kitchen sink approach. Not that this protocol is bad, it's just hard to afford everything in this list.  I do believe that this protocol will reverse cancer as it is overloaded with oxides, phenols, quinones, minerals, lipopolysacharides which are also in the simpler protocol we put you on.  The cimetidine is and does support alkalinity goals, but overall the redundant nature of some items can raise your costs. You were on this known as Tagament! I would encourage you to stay on this PPI for at least a year even though you have no evidence of disease.  As you know yourself, these substances beat cancer if taken consistently and in correct dosages.  The DMSO question is basically a cost and absorbtion issue,....not to mention the smell which you complained about,....but being temporary adjunct and cancer being deadly,...smelling like day old brocolli is minor inconveniece.  The only thing I would say is that any person going on these potent oxidizers should test for G6PD deficiency and all of these cause peroxide formation in the blood stream and can lead to dangerous hemolytic anemia that we have talked about before.  Take care and when are you going to become a partner with us? You would be awesome counselor.  Sincerely:  BP " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2010 Report Share Posted June 20, 2010 My cancer problem and my solutions might overlap with those of others in many ways but my diet is not meant as an exemplar for anything other than of my reasoning processes. My dietary goals are: -- to be supportive of and not conflict with my personal research protocol which I have not discussed other than to say I am currently minimizing calcium. I use dietary avoidances plus meglumine phytate which I make myself. One of the reasons that I currently don't discuss my protocol is because of risk. It is like walking along the edge of a cliff -- an activity that is almost safe in the daytime, but quite alarming for nightwalkers. -- to help me gain weight (often very difficult with cancer -- I weigh 162 lbs, but I'm 6' 1 " -- I'd love another 10 lbs.). I give myself as much latitude as possible and try to keep things simple. I avoid milled foods because we did not evolve to deal with such massive surface areas. Similarly I reverse the sodium-potassium ratio in favor of potassium. I reverse omega-6 and omega-3 UFAs in favor of the omega-3, but I also include a little omega-9 (certain breast cancers need to avoid this) and some omega-5 esters which I make myself. It goes without saying that I avoid the trans-fats, food additives, and most food from the mega-suppermarkets. After I gain weight I will start to reverse course much as nature does in the seasonal shift from the bounty of harvest time to the nature-imposed fasts of winter. -- Lastly, I am cautious with the dietary and herbal use of angiogenesis inhibitors. I want to induce apoptosis and not necrosis. The aggressive use of angiogenesis inhibitors can lead to ulceration (and surgery) and in some cases (larger tumors) to metastasis. The angiogenesis inhibitors are best used to avoid recrudescence. Because of my attempt to gain weight I do have quite a bit of latitude in my diet and I am seeking more! In another two months I will have far less latitude. This can be very important with some of the squamous cell carcinoma strategies. At 09:56 AM 6/20/2010, you wrote: > >Hi : > >I showed your protocol to my personal advocate and he wrote back the >following. > > " Dear : > >I reviewed the substances and protocol you have forwarded to >me,....90% of these substances contain phenolic oxygen donors >similar to those found in oleandrin, aloe latex, and olive >leaf! The diet conforms to low glycemic index, and whole grain >breads I do not discourage but ask to be selective and do not go overboard. > >My biochemist states that the amines in this are still phenolic and >the amino groups change the characteristics of phenols and become >more stable, longer half-life than de-aminated phenols. > >The cottage cheese aspect is very logical substitute as long as it >is organic! Think about it! No carbohydrates, high in protein, >calcium, plus fat soluable vitamins, and fats are in fact anti >cancer and help you manufacture blood cells. Also, cancers do not >absorbe and metabolize fats for energy,....this is why Alpha Lipoic >Acid is wonderful way to hep burn fats. > >The only thing that troubles me about this protocol is the >complexity and the redundant active ingredients, I do not see most >of my clients adhering to this kitchen sink approach. Not that this >protocol is bad, it's just hard to afford everything in this list. > >I do believe that this protocol will reverse cancer as it is >overloaded with oxides, phenols, quinones, minerals, >lipopolysacharides which are also in the simpler protocol we put you on. > >The cimetidine is and does support alkalinity goals, but overall the >redundant nature of some items can raise your costs. You were on >this known as Tagament! I would encourage you to stay on this PPI >for at least a year even though you have no evidence of disease. > >As you know yourself, these substances beat cancer if taken >consistently and in correct dosages. > >The DMSO question is basically a cost and absorbtion issue,....not >to mention the smell which you complained about,....but being >temporary adjunct and cancer being deadly,...smelling like day old >brocolli is minor inconveniece. > >The only thing I would say is that any person going on these potent >oxidizers should test for G6PD deficiency and all of these cause >peroxide formation in the blood stream and can lead to dangerous >hemolytic anemia that we have talked about before. > >Take care and when are you going to become a partner with us? You >would be awesome counselor. > >Sincerely: > >BP " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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