Re: enzymes (was Comments for Victor)

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Although Wobenzyme is great for healing inflammation, it is NOT one of the best

enzyme products for treating cancer. Its chymotrypsin content is vastly

inadequate, and it's bovine rather than porcine.

I think the best enzyme are Kelley's

(www.2line.com/drkelleyHOT.html;

www3.mailordercentral.com/roadtohealth/products.asp?dept=12), which is

expensive.

I think the next best (and most cost-efficient) is

Allergy Research Group (ARG)'s Pancreas Pork (www.nutricology.com; may be least

expensive to buy from www.vitacost.com) used to use these, and this

company's planning to start selling the enzyme product is currently

using soon.

" Bag " @...

>Omnizyme has more potency, but is that beneficial?

Absolutely.

>Will it not cause harm if taking too much trypsin and chymotripsin?

Yes, and that's true w/virtually any supplement IF you take too much.

Some practitioners have used up to 60 Pancreas Pork pills/day (I suspect

has used even more), but such megadoses require medical supervision, as

well as intensive liver detox (ideally coffee enemas). Moderate dosages don't,

in my opinion.

" Victor Swiercz " roadmst1@... roadmst1@...

>One of the enzymes is from pork, it this a problem?

No, in fact one of the problems w/Wobenzyme is that the enzymes are bovine,

which is inferior, as pork enzymes more closely resemble human enzymes

().

>How important are digestive enzymes are these needed as well?

All the enzymes in these products are digestive enzymes, I believe.

If you mean the non-proteolytic enzymes, they're valuable but much less

important.

>serrapeptase, and know of a good brand.

My understanding is that

Vitalzym X by www.vitalzym.com is best brand.

www.totalityofbeing.com/ArchivedEnzymesfightCancer.html

“Vitalzym is a very good enzyme supplement. Get VitalzymX (the professional

version… hard to get unless you are a physician…) if you can as it is much

better…far more active†Mike Golden, D.C., 4/21/09

>taking 5,000 mg of fish oil...some enzymes thin the blood.

" health13gal " healthlady2@...

<<With regard to blood thinning, I consume fish oil capsules twice a day plus

cod liver oil, and I'm on the Budwig diet (which includes 6-8 Tbs. of flax oil

daily), all of which are blood thinners, and I have had no problem at all>>

My guess is that it's safe to take all of the above, but I don't believe in

drawing any conclusions whatsoever about anything's being safe (or unsafe, or

effective or ineffective) in general based on one (or even two or three)

person's experience.

<<digestive enzymes, and yes I believe we should take them with all meals, so

that it doesn't over stress the pancreas. It's good to have a good supply of

enzymes for both digestion as well as between meals...to digest the coatings off

of the cancer cells. I can't tell you how many times I've read in my cancer

books about the importance of enzymes. Dr. in NY uses WAY more enzymes

than that when treating his cancer patients, and he has a lot of success. It's

the backbone of his treatments.>>

I agree 100%.

Betaine hydrochloride (form of hydrocloric acid) is also important to take

before meals, particularly meals w/meat.

Protease inhibitors (particularly SOY) greatly inhibit proteolytic enzymes and

thus should be STRICTLY avoided if you're doing enzyme therapy.

Enzyme therapy's particularly effective w/leukemia, lymphoma, melanoma, myeloma,

soft-tissue sarcoma, & pancreatic cancer.

As of a few yrs ago, I heard that for solid-tumor patients, prescribed

enzymes them EVERY 4 hrs (throughout the day & night, and particularly at 3am

and 7am) on empty stomach (can also take a few w/meals), totalling 35-40g/day

(w/medical supervision); the more protein you eat, the more proteolytic enzymes

are needed; 's patients took them for 15 days, then stopped for 5 days,

etc.

Leonard

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What is Kefir?

In a message dated 10/25/2010 12:29:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

gartht@... writes:

Greetings,

I am wondering why anyone would pay for enzymes? Kefir has lots of

enzymes and probiotics, it is much cheaper and has the advantage of

being a whole food. Is anyone able to explain this?

Bright Blessings,

Garth & Kim

On 10/25/2010 8:56 AM, Leonard wrote:

>

> Although Wobenzyme is great for healing inflammation, it is NOT one of

> the best enzyme products for treating cancer. Its chymotrypsin content

> is vastly inadequate, and it's bovine rather than porcine.

>

> I think the best enzyme are Kelley's

> (www.2line.com/drkelleyHOT.html;

> www3.mailordercentral.com/roadtohealth/products.asp?dept=12), which is

> expensive.

>

> I think the next best (and most cost-efficient) is

> Allergy Research Group (ARG)'s Pancreas Pork (www.nutricology.com; may

> be least expensive to buy from www.vitacost.com) used to use

> these, and this company's planning to start selling the enzyme product

> is currently using soon.

[Guest guest]

Greetings,

I am wondering why anyone would pay for enzymes? Kefir has lots of

enzymes and probiotics, it is much cheaper and has the advantage of

being a whole food. Is anyone able to explain this?

Bright Blessings,

Garth & Kim

On 10/25/2010 8:56 AM, Leonard wrote:

>

> Although Wobenzyme is great for healing inflammation, it is NOT one of

> the best enzyme products for treating cancer. Its chymotrypsin content

> is vastly inadequate, and it's bovine rather than porcine.

>

> I think the best enzyme are Kelley's

> (www.2line.com/drkelleyHOT.html;

> www3.mailordercentral.com/roadtohealth/products.asp?dept=12), which is

> expensive.

>

> I think the next best (and most cost-efficient) is

> Allergy Research Group (ARG)'s Pancreas Pork (www.nutricology.com; may

> be least expensive to buy from www.vitacost.com) used to use

> these, and this company's planning to start selling the enzyme product

> is currently using soon.

[Guest guest]

We should be getting as many enzymes and other nutrients from natural whole

food, however, when thinking of cancer treatments, it seems the necessary high

contents of any nutrients cannot be obtained from food all the time. While diet

is a very important part of properly dealing with cancer, it seems that we have

learned it may not be enough when cancer has reared its ugly head and more

heroic efforts must be taken.

If those that believe Cancer is an ‘End Stage Pathology’, and they may be

right, then normal (good) eating habits are probably not going to suffice no

matter how helpful they might be. Some practitioners do not use Enzymes in

their practice and bring up the subject of enzymes initiating Metastasis. I

have no opinion on that subject and don’t know enough about it to comment

either way but their arguments exist. For all I know, Kefir has more than

enough enzymes. If so, it would be helpful to know that.

Joe C.

From: Garth & Kim

Sent: Monday, October 25, 2010 11:35 AM

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: enzymes (was Comments for Victor)

Greetings,

I am wondering why anyone would pay for enzymes? Kefir has lots of

enzymes and probiotics, it is much cheaper and has the advantage of

being a whole food. Is anyone able to explain this?

Bright Blessings,

Garth & Kim

On 10/25/2010 8:56 AM, Leonard wrote:

>

> Although Wobenzyme is great for healing inflammation, it is NOT one of

> the best enzyme products for treating cancer. Its chymotrypsin content

> is vastly inadequate, and it's bovine rather than porcine.

>

> I think the best enzyme are Kelley's

> (www.2line.com/drkelleyHOT.html;

> www3.mailordercentral.com/roadtohealth/products.asp?dept=12), which is

> expensive.

>

> I think the next best (and most cost-efficient) is

> Allergy Research Group (ARG)'s Pancreas Pork (www.nutricology.com; may

> be least expensive to buy from www.vitacost.com) used to use

> these, and this company's planning to start selling the enzyme product

> is currently using soon.

[Guest guest]

Hi Garth & Kim,

I agree with you but besides all the great benefits of drinking kefir and eating

kefir cheese eating raw fruits and vegetables not to mention drinking fresh

juices [which most cancer diets call for anyway] are loaded with enzymes.

I adhere to this type of diet and feel I'm getting an abundance of fresh

enzymes...the most beneficial kind.

Best regards,

Sandy

 

Greetings,

I am wondering why anyone would pay for enzymes? Kefir has lots of

enzymes and probiotics, it is much cheaper and has the advantage of

being a whole food. Is anyone able to explain this?

Bright Blessings,

Garth & Kim

[Guest guest]

Greetings,

Kefir does have some research behind it as a treatment for cancer. My

information comes from the book: Kefir Rediscovered: The Nutritional

Benefits of an Ancient Healing Food by Klaus Kaufmann. There is also

information on the use of lacto fermented food in the healing of cancer

in his book called: Making Sauerkraut and pickled vegetables at home,

which was co-authored by Annelies Schoneck. It has a section entitled

Holistic Cancer Therapy. Klaus Kaufmann is a fan of Max Gerson and

mentions him in his introduction.

Unfortunately, I get lost in the technical language and the science goes

over my head, so I don't know if what he is talking about is the same

thing as these nutraceuticals everyone is talking about.

Bright Blessings,

Garth & Kim

On 10/25/2010, JoeCastron wrote:

> We should be getting as many enzymes and other nutrients from natural

> whole food, however, when thinking of cancer treatments, it seems the

> necessary high contents of any nutrients cannot be obtained from food

> all the time. While diet is a very important part of properly dealing

> with cancer, it seems that we have learned it may not be enough when

> cancer has reared its ugly head and more heroic efforts must be taken.

>

> If those that believe Cancer is an 'End Stage Pathology,' and they may

> be right, then normal (good) eating habits are probably not going to

> suffice no matter how helpful they might be. Some practitioners do not

> use Enzymes in their practice and bring up the subject of enzymes

> initiating Metastasis. I have no opinion on that subject and don't know

> enough about it to comment either way but their arguments exist. For all

> I know, Kefir has more than enough enzymes. If so, it would be helpful

> to know that.

>

> Joe C.

>

> From: Garth & Kim

> Sent: Monday, October 25, 2010

>

> Greetings,

> I am wondering why anyone would pay for enzymes? Kefir has lots of

> enzymes and probiotics, it is much cheaper and has the advantage of

> being a whole food. Is anyone able to explain this?

[Guest guest]

Greetings,

Here is a great site to learn a bunch about kefir.

http://users.sa.chariot.net.au/~dna/kefirpage.html

Bright Blessings,

Garth & Kim

On 10/25/2010, jpking wrote:

> What is Kefir?

[Guest guest]

Kefir indeed has many enzymes, but aren't its enzyme content different from

enzymes from porcine or pork? Do enzymes differ from each other based on raw

material/food used?

> > We should be getting as many enzymes and other nutrients from natural

> > whole food, however, when thinking of cancer treatments, it seems the

> > necessary high contents of any nutrients cannot be obtained from food

> > all the time. While diet is a very important part of properly dealing

> > with cancer, it seems that we have learned it may not be enough when

> > cancer has reared its ugly head and more heroic efforts must be taken.

> >

> > If those that believe Cancer is an 'End Stage Pathology,' and they may

> > be right, then normal (good) eating habits are probably not going to

> > suffice no matter how helpful they might be. Some practitioners do not

> > use Enzymes in their practice and bring up the subject of enzymes

> > initiating Metastasis. I have no opinion on that subject and don't know

> > enough about it to comment either way but their arguments exist. For all

> > I know, Kefir has more than enough enzymes. If so, it would be helpful

> > to know that.

> >

> > Joe C.

> >

> > From: Garth & Kim

> > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2010

> >

> > Greetings,

> > I am wondering why anyone would pay for enzymes? Kefir has lots of

> > enzymes and probiotics, it is much cheaper and has the advantage of

> > being a whole food. Is anyone able to explain this?

>

[Guest guest]

I chose to include Wobenzym enzymes into my diet after reading the

article linked below. The article cites a study of multiple myeloma

(my cancer) and Wobenzym. I am not saying that the other kinds of

enzymes mentioned here are not effective. I am just explaining my

reasoning. Being one to hedge my bets I also drink kefir each morning

with whey protein (also shown to have anti-cancer effects). Papain

has been shown to have anti-myeloma effects and we all eat fruits and

veggies.

Proteolytic enzymes beneficial for multiple myeloma - Literature

Review & Commentary

http://multiplemyeloma.peoplebeatingcancer.org/article/proteolytic-enzymes-benef\

icial-multiple-myeloma-literature-review-commentary

" Although Wobenzyme is great for healing inflammation, it is NOT one

of the best enzyme products for treating cancer. Its chymotrypsin

content is vastly inadequate, and it's bovine rather than porcine. "

thanks

Emerson