Re: Sigh chick peas + estrogen

[Guest guest]

Cheri:

 

When I first got my re-diagnosis back on October 20th, and my oncologist talked

to me about avoiding " flax seeds, soy, red clover, black cohosh and ginseng, " I

decided to google what other herbs and foods I should avoid. It turns out that

most herbs and vegetables contain phytoestrogens. This delimma has plagued me

for 18 years. Even working with a well-respected naturopath. Dr.

Greenspan, who was head of the Oregon Natropath Board and taught at a local

naturopath college, even he had no confirmative answers. " Well the bad estrogens

are removed by the good estrgoens. At that time, soy was supposed to be this

wonder food, remember? Asians don't get cancer, right?

 

Well, after seeing that carrots were on the list I kind of threw up my hands.

Don't feel alone. The creater of the www.annieappleseedproject.org also didn't

eat carrots for awhile as well when she found out they were " estrogenic. "

 

She eats carrots now. I just started eating them last night as part of the Phase

1.5 of Cousens diet.

 

I don't think you need to worry about chick peas. I am eating flax seeds now

(not the oil) as only ONE person (my oncologist) said they were a problem.

Several people steered away from the oil---my naturopath and Ori Hofmekler,

author of the Anti-Estrogenic Diet. I asked him, " But Ori, you say in your book

that flax seed oil is fine. " He replied, " I changed my mind. "

 

So now you are part of this HUGE problem us estrogen-dependent cancer folks have

about these phytoestrogens. There is so little money set aside in terms of grant

money. I am going to look on the NCSI website and look into their alternative

trials. By the way, they say to avoid soy and this is a government website. I

think the fermented soy is o.k. though. I am using nattokinase.

 

I have some unsprouted chick peas that I haven't sprouted yet. I am going to

make some huumy, yummy  humus for myself. Ori Hofmekler says that legumes,

(other then soy), which chick pea is a member of this family, are foods that act

as co-factors for the anti-estrogenic diet. He lists the legumes along with

green vegetables, fruits and other things as GOOD for you.

 

Have you read his book? It will answer most of your questions. I don't have the

time to lay it all out here. You really need to read the book.

 

These herbs/foods you should definitely avoid according to the most sources:

 

Red Clover

Licorice

Black Cohosh

Ginseng

Donq gui

Damiana

Motherwort

Soy (soy lecithin is o.k. I have been told but use HealthForce Nutritional brand

if adding as a food---this is the purest form. I have also been told that

fermented soy if o.k. I am taking a supplement called nattokinase)

 

Ok I am sitting her snacking on some hummus and decide to google chick

peas (the main ingredient. And it is bad. Or at least that is the way

I am reading it. Am I right? Cheri

[Guest guest]

Regarding the estrogen dilema: Based upon this ongoing discussion,

it appears that there is no avoiding the phytoestrogens altogether,

as they are in so many good-for-us plants. Would it not be better

to focus on clearing the excess estrogens from our bodies instead?

Once again, I'll give the link to one of my all time favorite

articles on cancer. Saunas and Cancer, by Dr. In it he

states that estrogen is the primary carcinogen (for men and women),

and that it can be released from our bodies through the sauna - the

far infrared sauna is good, and the electric light sauna is even

better, and he gives instructions to make your own.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0ISW/is_251/ai_n6112664/pg_1?

tag=artBody;col1

Wanda

[Guest guest]

Wouldn't it be best to clear the body of excess estrogens AND avoid the

phytoestrogens that continue to cause the estrogen dominance as well?

 

Regarding the estrogen dilema: Based upon this ongoing discussion,

it appears that there is no avoiding the phytoestrogens altogether,

as they are in so many good-for-us plants. Would it not be better

to focus on clearing the excess estrogens from our bodies instead?

Once again, I'll give the link to one of my all time favorite

articles on cancer. Saunas and Cancer, by Dr. . In it he

states that estrogen is the primary carcinogen (for men and women),

and that it can be released from our bodies through the sauna - the

far infrared sauna is good, and the electric light sauna is even

better, and he gives instructions to make your own.

http://findarticles .com/p/articles/ mi_m0ISW/ is_251/ai_ n6112664/ pg_1?

tag=artBody; col1

Wanda

[Guest guest]

But we don't know that phytoestrogens cause estrogen dominance, .

There is enough evidence that weak phytoestrogens, such as flax seeds,

help to get rid of the estrogen in your body.

Your adrenal glands could be more at fault for causing estrogen

dominance than flax seeds.

I have adrenal fatigue - which causes estrogen dominance.

ar

On Wed, 24 Dec 2008 09:13:08 -0800 (PST), " Dorr "

<dorrnancy@...> said:

> Wouldn't it be best to clear the body of excess estrogens AND avoid the

> phytoestrogens that continue to cause the estrogen dominance as well?

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Arlyn Grant

arlynsg@...

[Guest guest]

I was told by one source that phytoestrogens block real estrogens,

therefore offering a benefit. But I have no idea if this is true.

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> But we don't know that phytoestrogens cause estrogen dominance,

. There is enough evidence that weak phytoestrogens, such as flax seeds,

help to get rid of the estrogen in your body.

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> Your adrenal glands could be more at fault for causing estrogen

> dominance than flax seeds.

> I have adrenal fatigue - which causes estrogen dominance.

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On Wed, 24, " Dorr " said:

> > Wouldn't it be best to clear the body of excess estrogens AND

avoid the phytoestrogens that continue to cause the estrogen dominance as well?

[Guest guest]

Did it tell you it also has B17 in it.

Ok I am sitting her snacking on some hummus and decide to google chick

peas (the main ingredient. And it is bad. Or at least that is the way

I am reading it. Am I right? Cheri

[Guest guest]

Is B17 bad?

~Amber

-- Re: [ ] Sigh chick peas + estrogen

Did it tell you it also has B17 in it.

Ok I am sitting her snacking on some hummus and decide to google chick

peas (the main ingredient. And it is bad. Or at least that is the way

I am reading it. Am I right? Cheri

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[Guest guest]

No well then that would be a good thing

I am so tired of going back and forth as when you really look into it

there are the bad things in almost anything including carrots.

I think I will enjoy all things in moderation mixing them up to get

teh benefits of everything and just stay away from the really bad

ones. Soy peanuts etc.

Cheri

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[Guest guest]

No just the opposite. B17 is what some people know as laitrile sp?

Apricot pits have a lot but are very bitter. Sprouts mostly have b 17

also.

Cheri

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[Guest guest]

 The advantage to foods with phytoestrogen is that it is a plant like estrogen

that are weaker than animal estrogen and the phytoestogens dock at estrogen

receptors preventing excess estrogen from docking .Also ,Many toxic chemical

mimic estrogen or react to estrogen receptors, which phytoestrogens help block.

Most animals in the food chain are given estrogen to increase  body mass ;this

is another good reason phytonutrients

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