raw foods

[Guest guest]

I know that raw foods is incredibly healing and beneficial and eat raw

foods, and juice. I drink carrot juice daily, and ate raw foods all February

and March. Cooking lightly only some vegetables at dinner time. I did not

lose one pound. I am a health conscience person and have always had my

thyroid under control since 1996. I raise my own meat, juice and eat whole

grains, home baked breads from freshly ground wheat etc and my cholesterol

is 283! I was given two months to get this under control I pulled out my Fit

for Life book. An excellent raw foods menu plan and my family and I went for

it. Following it to the T. Nothing! Nota pound. He says I have to lose 40

pounds.I have one month and God has a plan, written in Isaiah 58 says what

is contrary to popular belief, yet states

Is this the fast that I have chosen... and He goes on to say my healing WILL

come. His way is always the best way. I go to the Doctor May 23. My nodules

will be rechecked later then this. When I finish my fast and cleanse, I will

return to juicing and raw foods. So while raw foods is good and juicing,

fasting also has many benefits that juicing and raw foods can not do for me.

Bernadette

[Guest guest]

Rhonda, and others who are responding. I think this is where we are all

learning and growing. Do not delete from this list. It is through the

multitude of counselors that we find safety. We hear, grow, learn and press

on, from all wisdom and counsel. It is SO VERY TRUE, that as healthy as I

eat, juice, plant and grow that something could still be wrong! We do all

die once, for it is appointed to our fate. Oh how I long for simplicity!

Thank you all for your post. Bernadette

[Guest guest]

, That is so kind of you to be willing to do that for me. Several

people have recommended this to me, yet with preparing food for six people

this almost sounds overwhelming, would I have to cook differently for every

person? If I find what is right for me, wouldn't it be wrong to cook this or

that knowing it was " wrong " for there blood type? I don't know enough about

this, yet I am most concerned with getting into much complexity with this

knowledge and a large family.

[Guest guest]

To add specifically to Peggy's question - how do we find raw milk? by

knowing the farmer? I have been looking into making raw goat's milk

yogurt - by sort of feeling out which farms might sell to me...

.. But which animal products are safe? I always buy

> organic when I can, so that's not the issue. There are lots of good,

> available, organic animal products at the store here. Thanks.

>

> Peggy

[Guest guest]

I was advised not to drink raw milk because of the potential for all kinds of

things being in it that our immune systems cannot fight. Be careful on that

one! a

[Guest guest]

Arnold, I would like that information on raw foods also, please. Rusty

Re: raw foods

>Arnold

>will you please send me some information on raw food too please for a

friend of

>mine

>Thanks

>the other Debbie

>debbie@...

>

>Minx Multimedia

>tel: 01535 603205/607541

>

>

>

>Get HUGE info at http://www.cures for cancer.ws, and post your own links there.

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[Guest guest]

Arnold

I would also like information on raw foods

thanks,

e-mail golflvr111@...

[Guest guest]

Arnold

will you please send me some information on raw food too please for a friend of

mine

Thanks

the other Debbie

debbie@...

Minx Multimedia

tel: 01535 603205/607541

[Guest guest]

Hi Debbie,

You should try to eat a lot of fresh organically raised vegetables and

fruits such as Spinach, Swiss Chard,Collard Greens, Mustard Greens- Actually

all the Dark Green Leafy vegetables, no specific ones-whichever is in season

is fine. These Dark leafy green vegetables contain many phytochemical

nutrients that are extremely helpful in both preventing AND fighting off

cancer.

In order to get even more of these nutrients than your body can easily

digest many people use juices made from these vegetables. I would use any of

the above vegetables in season combined with carrot juice which will add

it's own cancer fighting nutrients and also sweeten the drink making it more

palatable than the concentrated green juices.

If you don't have a juicer, get one. The Champion jucer is good as is the

Acme Juicerator, but the Acme is somewhat harder to clean and this sometimes

makes you not want to use it. There are a number of others that are pretty

good too but I have these and know more about them.

Also include Raw Beets which is an excellent liver cleanser.

Eat Fruits including

Oranges.Grapefruits,Apples,Kiwis,Bannanas,Mangoes,Watermelon,

strawberries,blueberries,Oeaces and grapes- Whatever is in season really.

Try to get organic produce when possible. I generally will eat any

non-organic fruit that comes in a hard shell that is not eaten

like-Watermelon,Cantaloupe,Oranges,Grapefruits etc.

Other fruts like Banana,Kiwi and Mangoe are in between since there is a

protective skin but chemical sprays can easily penetrate, and if your

dealing with cancer I would be a little more hesitant to use it, but if

there is no choice it can be tried occassionally.

Non Organic Strawberries and Peaches have been found to have the most

pesticide residues in studies I've heard about.

For People without a cancer diagnosis, you should eat at least one third of

your food RAW. With cancer already diagnosed aim for at least two thirds RAW

some people would even say 100%- try it and see how you feel. It is an

element you should not ignore.

If you are first starting out with Raw Foods start to make changes

GRADUALLY, increse your % of food that is RAW.

If you want to find out more about Raw Foods look up Health Education Aids

Liaison-They have people who have Cancer too. They have a website:

www.healaids.com See if there is a local chapter near you and call and write

for information. I've been to some of their meetings and they are very

helpful. They started with AIDS but put their emphasis on how you can

transition to a raw foods diet and many participants have cancer. are Also

put " Raw Foods " into a search engine on the internet.

Arnold Gore

Consumers Health Freedom Coalition

Re: raw foods

> Arnold

> will you please send me some information on raw food too please for a

friend of

> mine

> Thanks

> the other Debbie

> debbie@...

>

> Minx Multimedia

> tel: 01535 603205/607541

>

>

>

> Get HUGE info at http://www.cures for cancer.ws, and post your own links there.

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[Guest guest]

Hi Corny,

I'm glad your diet is working for you. I definitely think raw meat is

better than cooked.

There are, however, many long term raw food vegans who have mastered

the art of raw food veganry(?) who are extremely healthy and do not

have any deficiencies.

Check out my recent post if you want more info. The main keys are to

eat 1.5-2 pounds of dark green leafy veg. per day (or supplement with

a green " superfood " ),get plenty of fats with enough omega 3's in the

right ratio to omega 6's, get plenty of sunshine, and make sure b12

is sufficient.

Best Wishes!

Pete

> Hey Pete

> I've been appreciating your posts on raw fruits and veggies. I

think

> many, if not most on this list realize the value of raw foods.

>

> I had been on a vegetarian/fruitarian diet for many years. Health

issues

> were not improving for me on the regimen. Improvement did come

when I

> went back to including RAW meat and RAW diary products in my diet.

RAW

> is the key, for all food we eat. For the same reasons that raw

veggies

> and fruits promote good health, raw meats and dairy products do

also.

>

> It is well accepted that meats are one of (if not the best)

sources of B

> vits. There may well be other (as yet undiscovered) factors in raw

meat

> and dairy that we need, that are not provided by a vegetarian diet.

>

> For an overview of the value of a raw meat diet see:

> http:/www.primaldiet.com.

>

> Corny

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi! wasn't sending me all my messages so I missed some in this thread

but thought you would find this site interesting:

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HREF= " http://www.chetday.com/vegandietdangers.htm " >http://www.chetday.com/vegand\

ietdangers.htm</A>

Dee

[Guest guest]

Hi, !

Vegetation, so it can be fruitful and multiply in order to survive, has to

protect itself. It does that with toxic (to us) substances. These

generally are found in the seed portion and also in the roots (taro, for

instance). Even eggs, which can't run away either, contain an anti-vitamin

B substance. So plants tend to contain toxic lectins and other anti-growth

chemicals. These lectins are not necessarily the same lectins that Dr. D.

is testing for. Some of these toxic substances are diminished and some are

made stronger by heating.

Grains and legumes (beans) and dairy are the highest in these

substances. Soy is one of the worst, and cooking does not destroy the

toxins, only fermentation does. These foods, along with starchy roots, are

on the Avoid list for the Paleolithic Diet. Arrowroot is OK. The Paleo

Diet is very similar to the Type O diet, with more restrictions.

As far as fruit goes, mostly we eat the flesh around the true seed, not the

seed itself. We do eat the seeds in berries, and interestingly, berries

are the preferred fruit on the Paleo Diet. I agree that fruit is usually

better raw, and vegetables better cooked. As far as our ancestors go, they

ate mostly meat, then when that supply ran out, they turned to vegetation

in a big way. That's my take on it. We have big discussions about this on

the PaleoDiet list every so often. Our ancestors learned the hard way

which plants were safe to eat and which weren't, so any plant that didn't

protect itself would have gone extinct from being overeaten.

Once I got it about the way plants protect themselves, I finally let go of

the romantic notion that their purpose is to feed me, and that they do it

gladly. Hardly.

Jane

Tucson, AZ USA

At 03:04 PM 2/3/04 -0500, you wrote:

>hi guys,, thanks for the info on raw foods

>So, these people that Jill and have seen who've got stricty " raw " seem

>unhealthy,,, that's interesting! didn't our early ancestors do only raw?

<snip>

[Guest guest]

Cooking certainly makes more of the nutrients of vegetables available by

weakening the sell wall structures that encapsulate the liquids these reside

in. We could get the same effect by vastly over chewing (remember when your

mom told you to chew your food well!), but the jaws will get sore until they

develop more muscle.

One note, just because our ancestors did something because they had no

alternative doesn't make it the best thing to do. We share their genetics,

but unfortunately for them, they didn't get to share many good technologies,

instruments knowledge bases and convenient methods we have now for

preparation :-)

_____

From: lescase@... [mailto:lescase@...]

Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 2:04 PM

Subject: raw foods

hi guys,, thanks for the info on raw foods

So, these people that Jill and have seen who've got stricty " raw "

seem

unhealthy,,, that's interesting! didn't our early ancestors do only raw?

When Dr. D says at least 1 cup cooked/raw veg's per day.. I guess some of

that should be cooked. Does anyone know of a book or list that lists

fruits

and veg's and which are better nutritionally cooked or raw ? It seems to

me

fruits are better raw (glycemic level seems to go up when cooked),,, and

certain veg's are better cooked than raw. Love ya all ,,

[Guest guest]

That should be " cell walls " , not " sell walls "

_____

From: Tom [mailto:tomwilson64@...]

Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 3:18 PM

Subject: RE: raw foods

Cooking certainly makes more of the nutrients of vegetables available by

weakening the sell wall structures that encapsulate the liquids these reside

in. We could get the same effect by vastly over chewing (remember when your

mom told you to chew your food well!), but the jaws will get sore until they

develop more muscle.

One note, just because our ancestors did something because they had no

alternative doesn't make it the best thing to do. We share their genetics,

but unfortunately for them, they didn't get to share many good technologies,

instruments knowledge bases and convenient methods we have now for

preparation :-)

_____

From: lescase@... [mailto:lescase@...]

Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 2:04 PM

Subject: raw foods

hi guys,, thanks for the info on raw foods

So, these people that Jill and have seen who've got stricty " raw "

seem

unhealthy,,, that's interesting! didn't our early ancestors do only raw?

When Dr. D says at least 1 cup cooked/raw veg's per day.. I guess some of

that should be cooked. Does anyone know of a book or list that lists

fruits

and veg's and which are better nutritionally cooked or raw ? It seems to

me

fruits are better raw (glycemic level seems to go up when cooked),,, and

certain veg's are better cooked than raw. Love ya all ,,

[Guest guest]

Hi Jane!

Where is that list located?

Love

ABO Specifics Inc. - http://www.foodforyourblood.com

Re: raw foods

Hi, !

Vegetation, so it can be fruitful and multiply in order to survive, has

to

protect itself. It does that with toxic (to us) substances. These

generally are found in the seed portion and also in the roots (taro, for

instance). Even eggs, which can't run away either, contain an

anti-vitamin

B substance. So plants tend to contain toxic lectins and other

anti-growth

chemicals. These lectins are not necessarily the same lectins that Dr.

D.

is testing for. Some of these toxic substances are diminished and some

are

made stronger by heating.

Grains and legumes (beans) and dairy are the highest in these

substances. Soy is one of the worst, and cooking does not destroy the

toxins, only fermentation does. These foods, along with starchy roots,

are

on the Avoid list for the Paleolithic Diet. Arrowroot is OK. The Paleo

Diet is very similar to the Type O diet, with more restrictions.

As far as fruit goes, mostly we eat the flesh around the true seed, not

the

seed itself. We do eat the seeds in berries, and interestingly, berries

are the preferred fruit on the Paleo Diet. I agree that fruit is

usually

better raw, and vegetables better cooked. As far as our ancestors go,

they

ate mostly meat, then when that supply ran out, they turned to

vegetation

in a big way. That's my take on it. We have big discussions about this

on

the PaleoDiet list every so often. Our ancestors learned the hard way

which plants were safe to eat and which weren't, so any plant that

didn't

protect itself would have gone extinct from being overeaten.

Once I got it about the way plants protect themselves, I finally let go

of

the romantic notion that their purpose is to feed me, and that they do

it

gladly. Hardly.

Jane

Tucson, AZ USA

At 03:04 PM 2/3/04 -0500, you wrote:

>hi guys,, thanks for the info on raw foods

>So, these people that Jill and have seen who've got stricty

" raw " seem

>unhealthy,,, that's interesting! didn't our early ancestors do only

raw?

<snip>

[Guest guest]

Hi, !

The easiest way to subscribe to the PaleoFood List is here:

http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/CGI/wa.exe?SUBED1=paleofood & A=1

The home page is here; scroll down to the bottom to General List Files to

search the archives, etc.:

http://www.paleofood.com/

Jane

Tucson, AZ USA

At 05:36 PM 2/3/04 -0500, you wrote:

>Hi Jane!

>Where is that list located?

>

>Love

[Guest guest]

What a great post about vegetation. Thanks. Is there a site that goes into

more specifics?

Max

[Guest guest]

Hi, Max!

At 10:35 AM 2/4/04 -0500, you wrote:

>What a great post about vegetation. Thanks. Is there a site that goes into

>more specifics?

>Max

Thanks for your kind words, Max. If the following info doesn't answer your

question, try it again. The Krispin link is one that is most accessible to

the layperson, I think.

Way back in 26 Sep 2003, Lydia (Katchy71) posted us with a list of sites

that discuss lectins. I am taking the liberty of copying and posting it here:

The nutritionalist is not the standard food pyramid kind--he has an

interest in food lectins and thinks highly of Paleo and Candida

diets. In fact, I found the link to the report that he wrote (and

wants to publish) at the Gateway to Lectins site put together by the

lectin expert Thorkild C. Bog-Hansen 'Gateway to Lectins',

http://www.plab.ku.dk/tcbh/lectin-links.htm . It is just one thing

that I looked at--but it did mention the BTD so that is why I

referenced it for this group--to read the report go to

http://www.krispin.com/lectin.html. There are thousand of articles

that could be listed, so I only listed a some. I find that very few

of the ones that I looked at referenced any connect to bloodtype when

discussing lectins. As I said, I am not an expert, or doctor--just a

person looking to learn and get feedback from others.

Interesting reference websites, articles, and books (no, I haven't

read all of them--but some are summarized on the BTD website):

Thorkild C. Bog-Hansen 'Gateway to Lectins',

http://www.plab.ku.dk/tcbh/lectin-links.htm

Árpád Pusztai's Homepage http://www.freenetp

ages.co.uk/hp/a.pusztai/

The Lectin Report http://www.krispin.com/lectin.html

Vector Laboratories http://www.vectorlabs.com/products.asp?

catID=31 & locID=0

Jun Hirabayashi Lectin Intro

(http://www.glycoforum.gr.jp/science/word/lectin/LEA00E.html#http://ww

w.glycoforum.gr.jp/science/word/lectin/LEA00E.html)

Jane

Tucson, AZ USA

[Guest guest]

Hi, Max!

At 10:35 AM 2/4/04 -0500, you wrote:

>What a great post about vegetation. Thanks. Is there a site that goes into

>more specifics?

>Max

Thanks for your kind words, Max. If the following info doesn't answer your

question, try it again. The Krispin link is one that is most accessible to

the layperson, I think.

Way back in 26 Sep 2003, Lydia (Katchy71) posted us with a list of sites

that discuss lectins. I am taking the liberty of copying and posting it here:

The nutritionalist is not the standard food pyramid kind--he has an

interest in food lectins and thinks highly of Paleo and Candida

diets. In fact, I found the link to the report that he wrote (and

wants to publish) at the Gateway to Lectins site put together by the

lectin expert Thorkild C. Bog-Hansen 'Gateway to Lectins',

http://www.plab.ku.dk/tcbh/lectin-links.htm . It is just one thing

that I looked at--but it did mention the BTD so that is why I

referenced it for this group--to read the report go to

http://www.krispin.com/lectin.html. There are thousand of articles

that could be listed, so I only listed a some. I find that very few

of the ones that I looked at referenced any connect to bloodtype when

discussing lectins. As I said, I am not an expert, or doctor--just a

person looking to learn and get feedback from others.

Interesting reference websites, articles, and books (no, I haven't

read all of them--but some are summarized on the BTD website):

Thorkild C. Bog-Hansen 'Gateway to Lectins',

http://www.plab.ku.dk/tcbh/lectin-links.htm

Árpád Pusztai's Homepage http://www.freenetp

ages.co.uk/hp/a.pusztai/

The Lectin Report http://www.krispin.com/lectin.html

Vector Laboratories http://www.vectorlabs.com/products.asp?

catID=31 & locID=0

Jun Hirabayashi Lectin Intro

(http://www.glycoforum.gr.jp/science/word/lectin/LEA00E.html#http://ww

w.glycoforum.gr.jp/science/word/lectin/LEA00E.html)

Jane

Tucson, AZ USA

[Guest guest]

I think we mostly deal in raw foods here. Feel free to be more specific.

Tonio

I am interested in learning if there are any raw foods that fit in

the categories of this group.

Thanks.

Maureen

[Guest guest]

[Maureen] I am interested in learning if there are any raw foods that fit in

the categories of this group.

[MAP] That's a bit like asking if purple-colored foods fit in*... :-)

Rawness (absence of heat-processing) is totally independent of

fermentation and its role in health. Nevertheless, there are some

interesting connections between the two topics. In a few cases,

fermentation makes it possible to eat a food without heat-processing

that would be inedible or unhealthy otherwise.

The biggest example would be vegetables that aren't well-suited to

being eaten in a totally unprocessed state because of antinutrients,

and the most prominent example is brassicas (especially cabbage),

which can have undesirable effects on the thyroid if eaten unprocessed

in significant quantities. Once fermented (kimchi, sauerkraut, etc),

the antinutrient in question (goitrogens) is out of business and we

happily eat lots of raw brassicas (especially if you're Korean or

" Koreanesque " like many of us here).

Another big case is grains, because I think it's generally possible to

heavily ferment grains (traditional porridges) and eat them raw

without any real problems, although in practice I think that's pretty

rare and people still cook them at least a little. Most raw foodism is

a blend of mysticism and unsophisticated nutritional knowledge, so

this is really just a theoretical curiosity, but still interesting to

me at least. (BTW, I don't eat grains and about 70% of my food is raw,

so it's an ironic topic.)

Our famous member Heidi can't handle raw unfermented garlic, but eats

lots of raw fermented garlic and it would appear that this is a really

valuable form to consume it in.

Overall, you can see that fermentation is one of many tricks humans

use to feed themselves and get around the limitations of raw,

unprocessed substances in our environment. We seem to be doing well

(but shame about that whole food mess after the last ice age)...

Another important conceptual connection is the idea that some

fermented foods (not all) are raw in the sense of a " second virginity "

of sorts, wherein the food has lots of living microbes (and possibly

enzymes) created during fermentation and consumed without being killed

by heat, even if the food medium itself was heat-processed in the

beginning of the fermentation process. Natto and miso are great

examples. Obviously soybeans are inedible for humans, and have to

both cook the living daylights out of them and ferment the living

daylights out of them to make them an okay food, but once we do that,

we can eat it with a lot of raw microbes and enzymes and other

possibly good stuff. Another easy example is making

kefir/koumiss/yogurt/villi/etc with cooked milk. You can (in

theory--I'm not recommending it) cook (e.g. pasteurize) the milk at

first, and then ferment it to make a " living food " as they say.

*The answer is " yes!!!! " . Some of us have used beets, red cabbage, etc

in our ferments.

Mike

SE Pennsylvania

The best way to predict the future is to invent it. --Alan Kay

[Guest guest]

Adrienne: Raw foods seem to be recommended a lot and that certainly eliminates

the processing and additives that so many of us react to. I have grown to enjoy

goat's milk~the Saanan (sp?) goats have the nicest milk with very mild flavor

and we used to make yogurt and ice cream out of it and guest could never taste

the difference.

One thought on eating the heart (I presume you are talking about the meat)~when

a cat catches a gopher, it eats only certain parts of it, always leaving the

kidney, heart and liver on the sidewalk. When my parents use to butcher a deer,

the heart and liver were the first thing they cooked for us to eat, but do we

want the toxins that are collected in these organs for our food? Just a

thought.

in La Sleva Beach CA

Whoohoo!

I just had my first quart of raw goat's milk delivered to my door. Very yummy!

And it only took how long since Carol posted Cheney's advice to use raw foods?

Since I do not limit my thinking to the rational kind, I sense that the ease

with which I obtained this is a sign I am on the right track.

I am on the trail now of hearts from young animals. Probably goats, too.

Growth factors ahead.

Adrienne

[Guest guest]

Studies done on lions found that they always eat the liver first. In fact

captive lions couldn't breed until liver was added to their diet.

When my cat ate mice it ate everything except the tail and the gall bladder

Whoohoo!

>

>

> I just had my first quart of raw goat's milk delivered to my door. Very

> yummy!

> And it only took how long since Carol posted Cheney's advice to use raw

> foods? Since I do not limit my thinking to the rational kind, I sense that

> the ease with which I obtained this is a sign I am on the right track.

> I am on the trail now of hearts from young animals. Probably goats, too.

> Growth factors ahead.

> Adrienne

>

>

[Guest guest]

oh yeah! I forgot and got it wrong: It was the raw liver my husband ate that

time, not the heart.

Adrienne

Whoohoo!

>

>

> I just had my first quart of raw goat's milk delivered to my door. Very

> yummy!

> And it only took how long since Carol posted Cheney's advice to use raw

> foods? Since I do not limit my thinking to the rational kind, I sense that

> the ease with which I obtained this is a sign I am on the right track.

> I am on the trail now of hearts from young animals. Probably goats, too.

> Growth factors ahead.

> Adrienne

>

>

[Guest guest]

Eating raw organs is a good idea but not in this day and age. For

instance mad deer disease has spread from the upper midwest into the

northeast. Nobody should eat deer, period. And in the south people

eating squirrels including squirrel brains, some of them got

mad 'squirrel' disease, i.e. they died of prion infection.

Gerson diet recommended raw liver...or liver juice.

An expensive way to obtain these peptides is through atrium biotech,

I " m going to try it, they purify the peptides of liver, thymus etc.

I think if one raised one's own animals in a safe place and way, on

land that had been restored (organic), one could feel pretty safe,

although not totally. I sometimes give in and order raw goat's milk

too, as I love it and it feels so full of life and light. I don't

worry too much about that. But the sad thing is our world is so

contaminated. Even fish, one has to be very careful about. I can sort

of tell by taste. I'm not even sure vitalchoice can be trusted

anymore, frankly. THeir supposedly wild unpolluted salmon (in cans)

tasted great 6 months ago and doesn't taste the same now. I can

totally tell the difference between farmed and wild salmon merely by

the taste.

It's really an individual choice but I think unfortunately we have to

be a bit careful.

> oh yeah! I forgot and got it wrong: It was the raw liver my husband

ate that time, not the heart.

> Adrienne

> Whoohoo!

> >

> >

> > I just had my first quart of raw goat's milk delivered to my

door. Very

> > yummy!

> > And it only took how long since Carol posted Cheney's advice

to use raw

> > foods? Since I do not limit my thinking to the rational kind, I

sense that

> > the ease with which I obtained this is a sign I am on the right

track.

> > I am on the trail now of hearts from young animals. Probably

goats, too.

> > Growth factors ahead.

> > Adrienne

> >

> >