Re: Drinking coffee

[Guest guest]

Hi Kate;

7.5 is alkaline.

Vic

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From: Kate <pinkiefloyd2001@...>

Sent: Tue, October 26, 2010 4:40:58 PM

Subject: [ ] Drinking coffee

 

Hi all, so glad you are here. So, is drinking coffee really that bad for me??

After I have my one cup a day of coffee my ph goes to about 7.5. I know coffee

is acid, so why does it react this way for me? My NMD says it's really only the

acidity that is the problem with it.

What do you think?

Kate

[Guest guest]

If coffee is acid then why does it make me alkaline? Is that unusual? Is there

any other reasons I should avoid it?

-Victor Swiercz <roadmst1@...> wrote:

>

> Hi Kate;

>

> 7.5 is alkaline.

>

> Vic

[Guest guest]

Kate:

 That is one of those things where there is conflicting information. Maybe

someone can give a definite answer. I found both yes and no.

Vic

If coffee is acid then why does it make me alkaline? Is that unusual? Is there

any other reasons I should avoid it?

[Guest guest]

> From: Kate <pinkiefloyd2001@...>

>is drinking coffee really that bad for me??

Can't say. It has many harmful effects (and some beneficial ones).

I think it's best to avoid coffee (except coffee enemas) unless one's receiving

radiation therapy or cisplatin (synergistic w/coffee and caffeine).

If you drink coffee, use only organic coffee.

Leonard

[Guest guest]

I drink coffee. If you do a PubMed search on caffeine you'll find

many more ways that it is beneficial than harmful. Caffeine is a

more powerful antioxidant that vitamin C. It has activity against

squamous cell cancer which was my personal Nemesis. I did not have

access to coffee when hospitalized in China and my cancer grew like

wildfire. Scheim on this list likes caffeine as it is a

calcium ionophore and calcium may well be requisite in inducing

apoptosis. For the same reason I like theobromine (such as you find

in chocolate) only there are fewer central nervous system (CNS)

effects with the use of theobromine.

Not that there is anything wrong with stimulation of the CNS. Ely

treated thousands of cases of cancer at the end of the 19th and

early 20th century. He always used strychnine as part of the

protocol. Although he did not have the clearest understanding of its

pharmacology he well understood the benefits.

I don't do coffee enemas. I will begin the day that evolution starts

installing taste buds in my rectum. I don't think it makes any

difference where you put your coffee as it all goes into portal

circulation to your liver.

I don't recommend coffee at the end of day as does tend to disrupt

sleep. As with most meds there are people who should not drink coffee.

At 07:20 AM 10/27/2010, you wrote:

>

> > From: Kate <pinkiefloyd2001@...>

> >is drinking coffee really that bad for me??

>

>Can't say. It has many harmful effects (and some beneficial ones).

>

>I think it's best to avoid coffee (except coffee enemas) unless

>one's receiving radiation therapy or cisplatin (synergistic w/coffee

>and caffeine).

>If you drink coffee, use only organic coffee.

>Leonard

[Guest guest]

Greetings,

Thank you for your common sense.

Bright Blessings,

Garth & Kim

On 10/27/2010 1:44 PM, VGammill wrote:

>

> I don't do coffee enemas. I will begin the day that evolution starts

> installing taste buds in my rectum. I don't think it makes any

> difference where you put your coffee as it all goes into portal

> circulation to your liver.

>

[Guest guest]

I am enjoying the Coffee Conversation.

Are you guys familiar with the Organo Gold Coffee with the Organo Derma

Lucidum Herb/Mushroom?

jim

[Guest guest]

One way to know whether something is bad or not for you is to see if the body

reacts negatively to it by speeding up the whole system to expel it as soon as

possible. So the way to gauge that is by utilizing the pulse test. If

eating/drinking something raises your resting pulse rate by more than 6 beats

per minute then that means your body doesn't want it. But you'd probably have to

test with decaffeinated coffee because the caffeine is a natural stimulant and

would give a false outcome. But I'd bet that all coffee is " bad " for anyone

seeking optimal health.

[Guest guest]

Thanks for a balanced and rational explanation.

One gets tired of reading the negative responses based on hearsay and opinions.

I have never understood the waste of good coffee on an enema! Nor have I ever

read anything that suggests coffee enemas are even beneficial - nutritionally or

health wise.

Once again, it all falls back to moderation and enjoyment to reap the benefits

of life and good health.

Carl

> >

> > > From: Kate <pinkiefloyd2001@>

> > >is drinking coffee really that bad for me??

> >

> >Can't say. It has many harmful effects (and some beneficial ones).

> >

> >I think it's best to avoid coffee (except coffee enemas) unless

> >one's receiving radiation therapy or cisplatin (synergistic w/coffee

> >and caffeine).

> >If you drink coffee, use only organic coffee.

> >Leonard

>

[Guest guest]

,

I don't comment very often BUT... I must say this.... " here's to a good cup of

coffee my friend, I too choose to drink it by mouth!! " :-) You say it best when

you said.....

" I don't do coffee enemas. I will begin the day that evolution starts

installing taste buds in my rectum. I don't think it makes any

difference where you put your coffee as it all goes into portal

circulation to your liver. "

I'm with ya on this one!!

[Guest guest]

, I laughed at your comment when I read it -- I can so relate! )

When I decided to ditch conventional medicine after one month of hellacious

chemo and go alternative for colon cancer, the thing I feared and dreaded

most was being required to do coffee enemas. I had researched and read

enough about alternative medicine protocols to know coffee enemas were

usually recommended for those with cancer. As I was sitting in the office

awaiting my first apointment, I was looking through a protocol notebook

provided by the doctor and sure enough, there was a recommendation for the

dreaded coffee enema! My heart dropped. Long story short, one of my first

questions was " do I HAVE to do coffee enemas? " He must have seen the dread

and fear in my eyes. LOL He said " not at this point. " Huge relief!

For those experiencing a lot of pain, bloating and/or constipation (which

happens with many cancers and especially late stage cancers and are side

effects of many meds), coffee enemas can be a god-send. Unfortunately

drinking coffee does NOT have the same pronounced effect -- it would

certainly be nice if it did. As most know, Dr. Max Gerson's protocol used

coffee enemas with patients (4-5x daily) and had a lot of success in

detoxification and pain relief. However, he also required a tremendous

amount of fresh juice which made sure that potassium levels were not

depleted. I do believe there are better or just as good methods for

liver/gallbladder detoxification as long as one is strong enough to manage

detox symptoms. Even though Dr. Budwig didn't specifically recommend them

in the Budwig protocol, there are those on the FO/CC list that use them

successfully as well as flaxseed oil enemas for bloating, pain and

constipation. Understand though that if used, they should be used as part of

a *total* protocal. I've heard of people actually getting emotionally

addicted to them.

Even though the therapeutic action of the coffee used in enemas is to

improve the function of the liver/gallbbladder in removing toxins by

stimulating the flow of bile and increasing the enzymatic action of the

liver, there is, in my opinion an easier way to achieve this with the use of

suppositories such as Xeneplex. Organic coffee has been added to the

Xeneplex to stimulate the production of glutathione-s-transferase, the

enzyme that is required to attach toxins to the glutathione molecule.

Palmitates in coffee increase the production of Glutathione S-transferases

(enzymes involved in detoxification) by 700 times. These powerful enzymes

assist the liver to more effectively detoxify the entire body. And for a

body that is fighting cancer, this is a huge help for an overloaded liver.

Additionally, coffee contains the alkaloid theophylline, which dilates blood

vessels, increasing blood dialysis across the colon wall. Increased blood

supply to the intestinal tract improves muscle tone and digestion, as well

as the elimination processes. Additionally, given that all of our blood

passes through the liver every three minutes, the 12-to-15-minute coffee

retention enema increases blood flow through the liver, resulting in a form

of dialysis and a uniquely effective detoxification.

I believe that in fighting cancer the digestive tract MUST be given a lot of

attention and MUST be kept working efficiently and properly. At least 75%

of the immune system is located in the digestive tract. It's interesting to

note that the digestive tract is usually the first thing that

chemotherapy/radation takes its toll on. So coffee enemas can play an

effective part in the detoxification process and thus the healing and

protection of the digestive tract.

I do hope that if anyone with cancer feels they must DRINK coffee, they are

consuming organic coffee. (organic coffee must be used for enemas also)

However, for a cancer patient, drinking freshly juiced vegetables or a cup

of organic green tea would be much more beneficial to the body than a cup of

organic coffee.

Be Well

Dr.L

-----Original Message-----

" I don't do coffee enemas. I will begin the day that evolution starts

installing taste buds in my rectum. I don't think it makes any

difference where you put your coffee as it all goes into portal

circulation to your liver. "

[Guest guest]

Lory, when I see people with their hands clasped in prayer, I am

sorely tempted to insert a cup of coffee there. It just might

ratchet up their cerebrations a couple of notches.

At 06:59 AM 10/28/2010, you wrote:

>

>,

>I don't comment very often BUT... I must say this.... " here's to a

>good cup of coffee my friend, I too choose to drink it by mouth!! "

>:-) You say it best when you said.....

> " I don't do coffee enemas. I will begin the day that evolution starts

>installing taste buds in my rectum. I don't think it makes any

>difference where you put your coffee as it all goes into portal

>circulation to your liver. "

>I'm with ya on this one!!

[Guest guest]

Loretta,

I won't argue with you on any of your points as you could be correct

about every one of them. I just don't know of any studies that

compare oral vs rectal coffee. I think it can be very important for

a patient to use coffee when he/she is using large amounts of

narcotics and it can be rectal retention when the stomach is

temperamental or when its a slow day and you have nothing better to do.

At 10:48 AM 10/28/2010, you wrote:

>

>, I laughed at your comment when I read it -- I can so relate! )

>When I decided to ditch conventional medicine after one month of hellacious

>chemo and go alternative for colon cancer, the thing I feared and dreaded

>most was being required to do coffee enemas. I had researched and read

>enough about alternative medicine protocols to know coffee enemas were

>usually recommended for those with cancer. As I was sitting in the office

>awaiting my first apointment, I was looking through a protocol notebook

>provided by the doctor and sure enough, there was a recommendation for the

>dreaded coffee enema! My heart dropped. Long story short, one of my first

>questions was " do I HAVE to do coffee enemas? " He must have seen the dread

>and fear in my eyes. LOL He said " not at this point. " Huge relief!

>

>For those experiencing a lot of pain, bloating and/or constipation (which

>happens with many cancers and especially late stage cancers and are side

>effects of many meds), coffee enemas can be a god-send. Unfortunately

>drinking coffee does NOT have the same pronounced effect -- it would

>certainly be nice if it did. As most know, Dr. Max Gerson's protocol used

>coffee enemas with patients (4-5x daily) and had a lot of success in

>detoxification and pain relief. However, he also required a tremendous

>amount of fresh juice which made sure that potassium levels were not

>depleted. I do believe there are better or just as good methods for

>liver/gallbladder detoxification as long as one is strong enough to manage

>detox symptoms. Even though Dr. Budwig didn't specifically recommend them

>in the Budwig protocol, there are those on the FO/CC list that use them

>successfully as well as flaxseed oil enemas for bloating, pain and

>constipation. Understand though that if used, they should be used as part of

>a *total* protocal. I've heard of people actually getting emotionally

>addicted to them.

>

>Even though the therapeutic action of the coffee used in enemas is to

>improve the function of the liver/gallbbladder in removing toxins by

>stimulating the flow of bile and increasing the enzymatic action of the

>liver, there is, in my opinion an easier way to achieve this with the use of

>suppositories such as Xeneplex. Organic coffee has been added to the

>Xeneplex to stimulate the production of glutathione-s-transferase, the

>enzyme that is required to attach toxins to the glutathione molecule.

>Palmitates in coffee increase the production of Glutathione S-transferases

>(enzymes involved in detoxification) by 700 times. These powerful enzymes

>assist the liver to more effectively detoxify the entire body. And for a

>body that is fighting cancer, this is a huge help for an overloaded liver.

>Additionally, coffee contains the alkaloid theophylline, which dilates blood

>vessels, increasing blood dialysis across the colon wall. Increased blood

>supply to the intestinal tract improves muscle tone and digestion, as well

>as the elimination processes. Additionally, given that all of our blood

>passes through the liver every three minutes, the 12-to-15-minute coffee

>retention enema increases blood flow through the liver, resulting in a form

>of dialysis and a uniquely effective detoxification.

>

>I believe that in fighting cancer the digestive tract MUST be given a lot of

>attention and MUST be kept working efficiently and properly. At least 75%

>of the immune system is located in the digestive tract. It's interesting to

>note that the digestive tract is usually the first thing that

>chemotherapy/radation takes its toll on. So coffee enemas can play an

>effective part in the detoxification process and thus the healing and

>protection of the digestive tract.

>

>I do hope that if anyone with cancer feels they must DRINK coffee, they are

>consuming organic coffee. (organic coffee must be used for enemas also)

>However, for a cancer patient, drinking freshly juiced vegetables or a cup

>of organic green tea would be much more beneficial to the body than a cup of

>organic coffee.

>

>Be Well

>Dr.L

[Guest guest]

Hi all,

I used to drink coffee, but discovered I didnt really like the taste as I USED

to add the toxic cream and sugar to it. Its been five years since I had any

coffee cant say I miss it. Switched to green tea and my personal fav a mix of

amazon herbs of Jatoba

Uña de Gato

Tahari (Pau d'Arco)

Chanca Piedra

Chuchuhuasi

Stevia

I went as far once to buy some organic coffee for you know what but that same

bag of coffee has been unopened for over four years!

All the best,

Mike

[Guest guest]

Mushroom coffee? Sounds yummy

>

> I am enjoying the Coffee Conversation.

>

> Are you guys familiar with the Organo Gold Coffee with the Organo Derma

> Lucidum Herb/Mushroom?

>

> jim

>

[Guest guest]

Do you mix this yourself? I really like the Jatoba

Do you mix this yourself?? I really like the Jatoba tea. Is there a special

reason for choosing these specific herbs??

Thanks

BJ

From: Mike

Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010

Subject: Drinking coffee

Hi all,

I used to drink coffee, but discovered I didnt really like the taste as I USED

to add the toxic cream and sugar to it. Its been five years since I had any

coffee cant say I miss it. Switched to green tea and my personal fav a mix of

amazon herbs of Jatoba

Uña de Gato

Tahari (Pau d'Arco)

Chanca Piedra

Chuchuhuasi

Stevia

I went as far once to buy some organic coffee for you know what but that same

bag of coffee has been unopened for over four years!

All the best,

Mike