Adrenal fatigue

[Guest guest]

The T3, T4, TSH (and also the thyroid antibodies test, if they suspect you have

a problem) can all be tested through a blood test and can be ordered by your

regular MD.  My husband and two sons just had these tests done.  The others I do

not know. 

 

Good luck. 

From: McCartney <katie.mccartney@...>

Subject: [ ] Adrenal fatigue

Date: Monday, December 1, 2008, 12:45 AM

I'm trying to figure out if I have adrenal fatigue. I'm still in the process

of getting my amalgams removed. I did the self-pupil test, and my pupils

definitely flutter. I tried taking my temperature, but they're so

inconsistent depending on how warm/cold I am.

I heard/read about the 24-hour saliva test. Would this just measure your

cortisol level? Do I need to have anything else checked? Can my regular MD

order this test, or is there a special lab that I should use?

I also don't know if my symptoms are thyroid-related, so I'll be getting

free T3, T4, and TSH checked. Can my regular MD order these tests?

TIA!

[Guest guest]

Does anyone know good natural cures for adrenal fatigue.

Thanks, Robyn

[Guest guest]

>

>

> Does anyone know good natural cures for adrenal fatigue.

> Thanks, Robyn

Robyn,

There is no fast and easy cure for adrenal fatigue. If you do some googling,

you will find that the best thing you can do is eat a healthy diet and get

plenty of sleep. There are some Chinese herbs that can help support the

adrenals, but I found that they kept me awake so I had to stop taking them.

This was under the direction of a naturopath.

ar

[Guest guest]

Consuming more animal protein,getting plenty of psychological and physical rest.

zinc,vit C, b5(Pantothenic acid) will also help but i do not know optimum

dosages.

remedies like licorice,cortex extracts or glandulars require expertise and may

require expert help.

best wishes

cindi

[ ] Adrenal fatigue

Does anyone know good natural cures for adrenal fatigue.

Thanks, Robyn

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[Guest guest]

I usually recommend patients cordyceps, siberian ginseng and rohdiola for

adrenal fatigue and/or esthenia.

Gubi

[ ] Adrenal fatigue

Does anyone know good natural cures for adrenal fatigue.

Thanks, Robyn

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[Guest guest]

Hi Vicky,

I am also Secondary and I am on Cortef 10mgs.@5am,5mgs@9am,5mgs@1pm,5mgs@6pm and

5mgs@ bedtime.

Your labs show me your levels in my units are at 10 this is great it means your

ACTH is not shut down your Adreanls are still making some Cortisol.

My Dr. has me take my morning 10mgs dose of cortef then I go in at 8am and do

labs fasting labs as long as my Cortisol levels show a levels last one I did 6

weeks ago was 12 this means being on 30 mgs / day tolal I am not shutting down

my Adreanls they still work just need HC meds because I am Secondary my

Pituitary dose not tell them to make enough Cortisol my morning levels were low

for yrs between 6 to 12 when they should be at 25.

Doing them lags your Dr. is smart and up on this you could go up to 40 mgs / day

and still not shut down ACTH.

I have done what chilln says but I don't feel it will help you or me come off HC

meds or Thyroid and way are you off your Test C shots.

Here is a link to a thread with a cut and paste of my first post.

http://www.musclechatroom.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15633

====================================================

Prog. or Preg?

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I don't know if all you guys read about the dumb thing I did.

I was on Life-Flo Preg. 15mg cream for 3 months my levels went from very low to

77 doing a Quest labs.

When I ran out I was looking to see if Life-Flo sold a higher dose of Preg.

I had a senor moment and got Prog. 20 mgs cream thinking it was Preg. I used

this everyday for about 2 weeks. I was posting how this thinking it was Preg.

was making me feel so great and all I think about now is sex even dream about

it.

On the Preg. cream my levels came up to 77 and my Prog. levels did not move

still <0.5 range is <1.4 ng/mL. by JanZ this is low.

So I am going to keep taking it I have some Preg. cream coming but I have a good

6 weeks of Prog. cream left.

So what do you guys think about this so far I feel great on Prog. cream.

I am 66 yrs old and my sex drive is like I was 20 my wife is telling me get a

girl friend it was rock hard last night for over an hour fooling around with my

wife and then having sex. Before this the longest I could keep it up was about

20 min.'s.

__________________

Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what you see.

Phil

---------------------------------------------------

First thing chilln helped me with was my Problem with my Estraidol levels I do

Test C shots 100 mgs every 3 days I eat it up as fast as I take it so doing this

keeps my levels up. Helps keep my blood thinner and helps keep my Estradiol

levels down. Still I need to take a lot of Arimidex everyday to keep my

Estradiol levels down. Chilln told me at night with my low Cortisol levels my

Test C shots were converting into Estradiol. So I started taking some Cortef at

bedtime starting with 2.5 mgs then in a week going to 5mgs. Wow my Estaidol

levels are now much less a problem I went from needing 1 mgs of Arimidex / day

to .25 mgs / day.

Then I started on the Preg. cream in the past I tried Preg. Pills and it drive

up my Estradiol big time.

Then Preg. cream dose not do this I was on this cream 4 weeks when I need to

test my Testosterone levels the Preg. went up from very low to 74 then my next

test in 6 more week I went up to 117 this is great the cream is working. I

found the cream helped my Cortef HC meds last longer. Also it helped my

Testosterone levels I am not eating it up so fast.

Then the Prog. cream you read about his above I had to stop this cream 9 days a

go my Estradiol levels were going up. I was getting sore and hard nipples and

sweating feeling hot and looking red holding water.

I understand doing the cream it stores in your fat and goes into your blood

slow. This morning I would tell my libido is now falling back. I do labs next

Tue so I am going to see how they look then go back on the Preg. cream if my

Prog. levels came up. If not I have to see what my Dr. wants me to do. Last time

I told him about his he said to finish the Prog. cream then do labs and go back

on the Preg. cream his thinking is after Prog. comes up the Preg. will keep it

up.

Now back to " Hormones 101 " no I have not seen anyone on TRT and HC meds stop

there HC meds some are working on this and plain to stop there TRT then there HC

meds if all goes well. I feel what chilln is talking about is for people not

yet on TRT or HC meds and it's for people that are not Secondary.

Your Hypopituitary this means your brain is not going to send anymore ACTC to

your Adreanls or LH to your testis then it was before you started treatment.

But I feel much better doing the Preg. then Prog. cream but before you try this

do labs.

I don't know why you stopped TRT please post back to me why you did this.

I am also a mod at a Thyroid forum where I help people with Adrenal Fatigue and

Thyroid Problems.

Here is a link to a FAQ's about Adreanls I helped make at the

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ web site when they had there forum up I

was a mod there also this FAQ's is great every thing you need to know about this

is in this link.

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

Please read this link to SAFE USES OF CORTISOL by McK. Jeffries 3rd

Edition Chapter …

This is the Dr. that started the great treatment for people like us and what we

are doing is very safe. Read this link some of the best parts of his book are

in this link it will put your mind at ease.

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/safe-uses/

Like I said I don't feel chilln's " Hormones 101 " will help us come off HC meds

but then time will tell.

If you need more just ask.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: vickydee32 <vickydee32@...>

> Subject: Adrenal Fatigue

>

> Date: Tuesday, December 28, 2010, 4:33 AM

> Hi,

>

> I am from South Africa and have been diagnosed with

> secondary adrenal fatigue and currently doing 20mg (10/5/5)

> corvocot(cortef equivalent) per day. I am also taking T4/T3

> for being  hypothyroid. Only recently( 1month) after

> doing some research I decided to take DHEA (started low and

> now at 25mg/d) for symptoms of fatigue. The DHEA it seems

> has helped with the fatigue. My concern is my labs. Morning,

> midday, afternoon serum cortisol results and thyroid results

> are,

>

> Serum cortisol = 271/175/140 nmol/l still very low 

> TSH = 0.46 miu/l

> FT4 = 14.5 pmol/l

> FT3 =  4.3 pmol/l

> DHEA-S prior to taking DHEA = 5.29 umol/l

>

> I still have fatigue symptoms, low libido etc. I'm afraid

> my endo will want to increase cortisol further, a path don't

> want to go down further suppressing ACTH .After reading

> Chilln's info on pregnenolone or progesterone

> supplementation(muscle chatroom website) I will try and

> convince my doc opt for either of these.

> Has anyone used either of these prohormones and come of

> cortisol successful and what is the protocol? Also which is

> better? FYI, I was previously on TRT(test cyp) and my lab

> results were great, but still had symptoms of just not

> feeling well.

> Thanks

> Vicky

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Phil,

Thank you for your very comprehensive response. I did TRT for about 1 year

before deciding to come off it because I still had issues with my overall

health. At that time I was not on cortisol. After doing a low dose ACTH

stimulation test (which is a more sensitive test if you secondary) it was clear

that my adrenals were not producing enough cortisol due to the pituitary not

releasing sufficient ACTH. Since the adrenal issues are life threatening, I

decided to come off TRT and sort out the Adrenal issue first. Maybe at some

later time I will go back to TRT.

Phil, from what I've read I understand that you are currently doing 30mg of

cortef and 15mg of pregnenolone and you are still no were near your morning

cortisol target of 25. . Are you doing any DHEA? I also got issues with psorisis

which has improved somewhat since being on cortisol.

Keep up the good work.

Thanks

Vicky

>

> > From: vickydee32 <vickydee32@...>

> > Subject: Adrenal Fatigue

> >

> > Date: Tuesday, December 28, 2010, 4:33 AM

> > Hi,

> >

> > I am from South Africa and have been diagnosed with

> > secondary adrenal fatigue and currently doing 20mg (10/5/5)

> > corvocot(cortef equivalent) per day. I am also taking T4/T3

> > for being  hypothyroid. Only recently( 1month) after

> > doing some research I decided to take DHEA (started low and

> > now at 25mg/d) for symptoms of fatigue. The DHEA it seems

> > has helped with the fatigue. My concern is my labs. Morning,

> > midday, afternoon serum cortisol results and thyroid results

> > are,

> >

> > Serum cortisol = 271/175/140 nmol/l still very low 

> > TSH = 0.46 miu/l

> > FT4 = 14.5 pmol/l

> > FT3 =  4.3 pmol/l

> > DHEA-S prior to taking DHEA = 5.29 umol/l

> >

> > I still have fatigue symptoms, low libido etc. I'm afraid

> > my endo will want to increase cortisol further, a path don't

> > want to go down further suppressing ACTH .After reading

> > Chilln's info on pregnenolone or progesterone

> > supplementation(muscle chatroom website) I will try and

> > convince my doc opt for either of these.

> > Has anyone used either of these prohormones and come of

> > cortisol successful and what is the protocol? Also which is

> > better? FYI, I was previously on TRT(test cyp) and my lab

> > results were great, but still had symptoms of just not

> > feeling well.

> > Thanks

> > Vicky

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Vicky,

I feel you missing the point here when your on HC meds it will not show up on a

morning fasting blood test when you test cortisol on HC meds it will show you if

your on too much shutting down your Adreanls from working. So my Dr. runs this

test after I take 10 mgs of Cortef HC in the morning about 6 am I then go do my

labs at 8am as long as my cortiosl levels come back showing a level I am not

over doing the dose of Cortef or shutting down my ACTH what little my Pituitary

sends to my Adreanls.

So my labs every 6 to 8 weeks show my morning fasting Cortisol levels at about

what I first tested before going on Cortef 9 to 12.

Also people like us can have low Aldosterone levels and this dumps our sodium

big time making us feel dam bad. So I am on .1 mgs of Florinef with 1/2 a tsp

full of good Sea Salt added to my water 3x's / day.

You need to have this checked and if your testosterone levels are low you need

to get on Testosterone now not later when you feel you have your Adrenals

supported the longer you go with low Testosterone the more the stress of this is

going to eat up your HC or Cortef meds.

Even Dr. seen this happening to his men and started treating both at the

same time and if ones thyroid is low he now treats this to. He feels if the 3

are bad and you only treat one the guy suffers.

Taking cortef or HC meds at therapeutic dose's is very safe.

Here are some links about low Aldosterone levels I was on HC meds not feeling

much better until we tested this seen it was low and treated it.

In this link it' all about being Hypopituitary.

http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/viewforum.php?f=12 & sid=00e91d54c66c0d75d2ae595\

fdd8a60a7

http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/viewtopic.php?f=12 & t=15454

http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/viewtopic.php?f=12 & t=15453

http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/viewtopic.php?f=12 & t=15450

Some people have only a few hormone problems being Hypopituitary but you need to

check them all.

And try adding 1/4 to 1/2 a tsp full of good Sea Salt to a glass of water first

thing in the morning see if this makes you feel better.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: vickydee32 <vickydee32@...>

> Subject: Re: Adrenal Fatigue

>

> Date: Wednesday, December 29, 2010, 4:53 AM

> Hi Phil,

> Thank you for your very comprehensive response. I did TRT

> for about 1 year before deciding to come off it because I

> still had issues with my overall health. At that time I was

> not on cortisol. After doing a low dose ACTH stimulation

> test (which is a more sensitive test if you secondary) it

> was clear that my adrenals were not producing enough

> cortisol due to the pituitary not releasing sufficient ACTH.

> Since the adrenal issues are life threatening, I decided to

> come off TRT and sort out the Adrenal issue first. Maybe at

> some later time I will go back to TRT.

>

> Phil, from what I've read I understand that you are

> currently doing 30mg of cortef and 15mg of pregnenolone and

> you are still no were near your morning cortisol target of

> 25. . Are you doing any DHEA? I also got issues with

> psorisis which has improved somewhat since being on

> cortisol.

>

> Keep up the good work.

> Thanks

> Vicky

>

>

>

> >

> > > From: vickydee32 <vickydee32@...>

> > > Subject: Adrenal Fatigue

> > >

> > > Date: Tuesday, December 28, 2010, 4:33 AM

> > > Hi,

> > >

> > > I am from South Africa and have been diagnosed

> with

> > > secondary adrenal fatigue and currently doing

> 20mg (10/5/5)

> > > corvocot(cortef equivalent) per day. I am also

> taking T4/T3

> > > for being  hypothyroid. Only recently( 1month)

> after

> > > doing some research I decided to take DHEA

> (started low and

> > > now at 25mg/d) for symptoms of fatigue. The DHEA

> it seems

> > > has helped with the fatigue. My concern is my

> labs. Morning,

> > > midday, afternoon serum cortisol results and

> thyroid results

> > > are,

> > >

> > > Serum cortisol = 271/175/140 nmol/l still very

> low 

> > > TSH = 0.46 miu/l

> > > FT4 = 14.5 pmol/l

> > > FT3 =  4.3 pmol/l

> > > DHEA-S prior to taking DHEA = 5.29 umol/l

> > >

> > > I still have fatigue symptoms, low libido etc.

> I'm afraid

> > > my endo will want to increase cortisol further, a

> path don't

> > > want to go down further suppressing ACTH .After

> reading

> > > Chilln's info on pregnenolone or progesterone

> > > supplementation(muscle chatroom website) I will

> try and

> > > convince my doc opt for either of these.

> > > Has anyone used either of these prohormones and

> come of

> > > cortisol successful and what is the protocol?

> Also which is

> > > better? FYI, I was previously on TRT(test cyp)

> and my lab

> > > results were great, but still had symptoms of

> just not

> > > feeling well.

> > > Thanks

> > > Vicky

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Hi Phil,

thanks for the clarification, much appreciated. Please advise if you are

currently doing pregnenolone and at what dose.

Thanks Vicky

> > >

> > > > From: vickydee32 <vickydee32@>

> > > > Subject: Adrenal Fatigue

> > > >

> > > > Date: Tuesday, December 28, 2010, 4:33 AM

> > > > Hi,

> > > >

> > > > I am from South Africa and have been diagnosed

> > with

> > > > secondary adrenal fatigue and currently doing

> > 20mg (10/5/5)

> > > > corvocot(cortef equivalent) per day. I am also

> > taking T4/T3

> > > > for being  hypothyroid. Only recently( 1month)

> > after

> > > > doing some research I decided to take DHEA

> > (started low and

> > > > now at 25mg/d) for symptoms of fatigue. The DHEA

> > it seems

> > > > has helped with the fatigue. My concern is my

> > labs. Morning,

> > > > midday, afternoon serum cortisol results and

> > thyroid results

> > > > are,

> > > >

> > > > Serum cortisol = 271/175/140 nmol/l still very

> > low 

> > > > TSH = 0.46 miu/l

> > > > FT4 = 14.5 pmol/l

> > > > FT3 =  4.3 pmol/l

> > > > DHEA-S prior to taking DHEA = 5.29 umol/l

> > > >

> > > > I still have fatigue symptoms, low libido etc.

> > I'm afraid

> > > > my endo will want to increase cortisol further, a

> > path don't

> > > > want to go down further suppressing ACTH .After

> > reading

> > > > Chilln's info on pregnenolone or progesterone

> > > > supplementation(muscle chatroom website) I will

> > try and

> > > > convince my doc opt for either of these.

> > > > Has anyone used either of these prohormones and

> > come of

> > > > cortisol successful and what is the protocol?

> > Also which is

> > > > better? FYI, I was previously on TRT(test cyp)

> > and my lab

> > > > results were great, but still had symptoms of

> > just not

> > > > feeling well.

> > > > Thanks

> > > > Vicky

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

I started on Preg. doing Life-Flo 15 mgs did this after testing both Preg. and

Prog. after 12 weeks on Preg. my labs went from very low to 117. Then by

accident I used Prog. cream by Life-Flo this Dr. has told men not to use it

is a femanizing hormone. But I was using thinking it was Preg. Wow did this

make me feel great and made my sex life like it was in my 20's. My labs for

Prog. were <0.5 before trying the Preg. cream they never went up so this is why

everyone and myself feel I did so good on it.

I was doing this for 10 weeks then I started to have feelings of higher

Estaraiol and stopped it 12 days ago. All ready I find my libido sliping back

then one of the guys at Dr. 's told me I was on the women's prog. cream 20

mgs the mens is 10 mgs.

I do labs next Tue and after them I will see if I am going back on the Preg.

cream or if my labs are low for Prog. go back on the lower mens cream.

http://www.iherb.com/Life-Flo-Health-Organic-Living-Pregnenolone-2-oz-57-g/15119\

?at=0

And this is the mens Prog. cream.

http://www.iherb.com/Life-Flo-Health-Progesta-Care-Body-Cream-Men-s-Formula-3-oz\

-85-g/9861?at=0

I think this one is to strong for men I am told using cream the hormoen stores

in your fat and feeds your body slow.

http://www.iherb.com/Life-Flo-Health-Progesta-Care-Body-Cream-4-oz-113-g/7236?at\

=0

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: vickydee32 <vickydee32@...>

> Subject: Re: Adrenal Fatigue

>

> Date: Thursday, December 30, 2010, 1:01 AM

> Hi Phil,

> thanks for the clarification, much appreciated. Please

> advise if you are currently doing pregnenolone and at what

> dose.

>

> Thanks Vicky

>

>

> > > >

> > > > > From: vickydee32 <vickydee32@>

> > > > > Subject: Adrenal

> Fatigue

> > > > >

> > > > > Date: Tuesday, December 28, 2010, 4:33

> AM

> > > > > Hi,

> > > > >

> > > > > I am from South Africa and have been

> diagnosed

> > > with

> > > > > secondary adrenal fatigue and currently

> doing

> > > 20mg (10/5/5)

> > > > > corvocot(cortef equivalent) per day. I

> am also

> > > taking T4/T3

> > > > > for being  hypothyroid. Only

> recently( 1month)

> > > after

> > > > > doing some research I decided to take

> DHEA

> > > (started low and

> > > > > now at 25mg/d) for symptoms of fatigue.

> The DHEA

> > > it seems

> > > > > has helped with the fatigue. My concern

> is my

> > > labs. Morning,

> > > > > midday, afternoon serum cortisol

> results and

> > > thyroid results

> > > > > are,

> > > > >

> > > > > Serum cortisol = 271/175/140 nmol/l

> still very

> > > low 

> > > > > TSH = 0.46 miu/l

> > > > > FT4 = 14.5 pmol/l

> > > > > FT3 =  4.3 pmol/l

> > > > > DHEA-S prior to taking DHEA = 5.29

> umol/l

> > > > >

> > > > > I still have fatigue symptoms, low

> libido etc.

> > > I'm afraid

> > > > > my endo will want to increase cortisol

> further, a

> > > path don't

> > > > > want to go down further suppressing

> ACTH .After

> > > reading

> > > > > Chilln's info on pregnenolone or

> progesterone

> > > > > supplementation(muscle chatroom

> website) I will

> > > try and

> > > > > convince my doc opt for either of

> these.

> > > > > Has anyone used either of these

> prohormones and

> > > come of

> > > > > cortisol successful and what is the

> protocol?

> > > Also which is

> > > > > better? FYI, I was previously on

> TRT(test cyp)

> > > and my lab

> > > > > results were great, but still had

> symptoms of

> > > just not

> > > > > feeling well.

> > > > > Thanks

> > > > > Vicky

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Thanks Phil,

I tried to look up info on cortisol treatment and the fact if you on Cortef or

equivalent, that it would NOT show up in the labs. Thats what you had clarified

in your earlier response. Have you any info on this.

Also I find that I'm putting on a lot of weight in the midrift area-could this

be cortisol supplementation related?

Thanks & rgds

Vicky

> > > > >

> > > > > > From: vickydee32 <vickydee32@>

> > > > > > Subject: Adrenal

> > Fatigue

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Date: Tuesday, December 28, 2010, 4:33

> > AM

> > > > > > Hi,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am from South Africa and have been

> > diagnosed

> > > > with

> > > > > > secondary adrenal fatigue and currently

> > doing

> > > > 20mg (10/5/5)

> > > > > > corvocot(cortef equivalent) per day. I

> > am also

> > > > taking T4/T3

> > > > > > for being  hypothyroid. Only

> > recently( 1month)

> > > > after

> > > > > > doing some research I decided to take

> > DHEA

> > > > (started low and

> > > > > > now at 25mg/d) for symptoms of fatigue.

> > The DHEA

> > > > it seems

> > > > > > has helped with the fatigue. My concern

> > is my

> > > > labs. Morning,

> > > > > > midday, afternoon serum cortisol

> > results and

> > > > thyroid results

> > > > > > are,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Serum cortisol = 271/175/140 nmol/l

> > still very

> > > > low 

> > > > > > TSH = 0.46 miu/l

> > > > > > FT4 = 14.5 pmol/l

> > > > > > FT3 =  4.3 pmol/l

> > > > > > DHEA-S prior to taking DHEA = 5.29

> > umol/l

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I still have fatigue symptoms, low

> > libido etc.

> > > > I'm afraid

> > > > > > my endo will want to increase cortisol

> > further, a

> > > > path don't

> > > > > > want to go down further suppressing

> > ACTH .After

> > > > reading

> > > > > > Chilln's info on pregnenolone or

> > progesterone

> > > > > > supplementation(muscle chatroom

> > website) I will

> > > > try and

> > > > > > convince my doc opt for either of

> > these.

> > > > > > Has anyone used either of these

> > prohormones and

> > > > come of

> > > > > > cortisol successful and what is the

> > protocol?

> > > > Also which is

> > > > > > better? FYI, I was previously on

> > TRT(test cyp)

> > > > and my lab

> > > > > > results were great, but still had

> > symptoms of

> > > > just not

> > > > > > feeling well.

> > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > Vicky

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