My Story /was Re: CT Scan

[Guest guest]

Shaman,

Thanks for that explanation.

I was a vegetarian raw foodist for 7 years before being diagnosed with

breast cancer. I sometimes feel betrayed by the alternative world

because I was told that if I ate that way, I would not develop cancer.

I know other vegetarians living a clean lifestyle who developed breast

cancer. I sometimes believe that my restrictive diet may have

contributed to my cancer because of nutritional deficiencies.

When I read The China Study, I found it to be too one-sided. I want to

read a book that explains that health hazards of being a vegan or

vegetarian. Not because I think the diet is wrong - on the contrary, I

will never eat meat again. But, I think people ignore the fact that ANY

diet can cause problems.

Take care,

ar

On Sat, 14 Mar 2009 05:07:04 -0000, " shaman_urban "

<shaman_urban@...> said:

> My story is quite simple .My wife had a breast cancer, a few years ago

> she went through surgery and radiations but no chemo (useless and

> dangerous IMO and we regret the radiations and.. the surgery) . We went

> for two years around the world to meet survivors and to see different

> options. and also to take a break of a very stressful life style.

>

> This changed our life as you can imagine ..

>

> Since then I have been investigating the subject and also diabetes CDH

> for the last three years. I mean full time, I was hungry for information

> and angry , each feeling fueling the other one !! As a result I have a

> book coming out on coronary heart disease in France ( 300 pages/420

> citations).

>

> I couldn't write on cancer at the time, it was too upsetting for me...

> the lies.. the politics of cancer .the total absurdities.etc..

>

> We are both vegetarians with the exception of small fish since we read

> the China Study, the Food Revolution and Slaughterhouse.. 0 processed

> food, 0 chemicals..not even as detergent for us.

>

> I am in this group to learn more about cancer and alternative treatments

> and if I can help, when I am sure of my sources, bring my two cents.

>

> My name could be misleading but I am not a shaman, a healer nor plan to

> be..even if I studied in the past medical hypnosis, NLP, EFT and EMDR.

>

> Voila.. :-)

--

Arlyn Grant

arlynsg@...

[Guest guest]

>

> When I read The China Study, I found it to be too one-sided. I want

to

> read a book that explains that health hazards of being a vegan or

> vegetarian. Not because I think the diet is wrong - on the contrary,

I

> will never eat meat again. But, I think people ignore the fact that

ANY

> diet can cause problems.

Have you ever read Nourishing Traditions, by Sally Fallon or read

articles on the westonaprice.org website?

I think a vegetarian diet is best as a cleansing diet, especially in the

case of cancer very important. Historically this is common in many

cultures. When people have disease a vegetarian diet is very important.

Long term, and for healthy people it doesn't not appear to be natural or

beneficial for humans to grow, and for children to develop properly. A

proper diet must include properly prepared food. If they are not

properly prepared they will cause absorption problems and deficiencies.

Traditional people all around the world learnt how to prepare their

foods over thousands of years. What we eat today isn't what our

ancestors were eating and what we evolved with. Go against nature and we

will end up with problems and disease.

I only learnt the importance of this after my wife developed breast

cancer, and why my own health left a lot to be desired!

From Nourishing Traditions, pp 27-29:

Vegetarians often claim that animal products shorten life span, but the

most cursory look at long-lived ethnic groups proves that this is not

the case. Russians from the Caucasus Mountains, an area famous for

longevity, eat lots of fatty meat and whole milk products. Studies of

Soviet Georgian populations show that those who have the most meat and

fat in their diets live the longest. Inhabitants of Vilcabamba in

Equador, known for their longevity, consume a variety of animal foods

including whole milk and fatty pork. The long-lived people of Hunza

consume animal protein in the form of high-fat goat milk products. On

the other hand, the vegetarian inhabitants of southern India have one of

the shortest life spans in the world.

Not only is it difficult to obtain adequate protein on a diet devoid of

animal products, but such a diet often leads to deficiencies in many

important minerals as well. This is because a largely vegetarian diet

lacks the fat-soluble catalysts needed for mineral absorption.

Furthermore, phytates in grains block absorption of calcium, iron, zinc,

copper and magnesium. Unless grains are properly prepared to neutralize

phytates, the body may be unable to assimilate these minerals. Zinc,

iron, calcium and other minerals from animal sources are more easily and

readily absorbed. We should not underestimate the dangers of

deficiencies in these minerals. The effects of calcium and iron

deficiency are well known, those of zinc less so. Even a minor zinc

deficiency in pregnant animals results in offspring with deformities,

such as club feet, cleft palates, domed skulls and fused and missing

ribs. In humans, zinc deficiency can cause learning disabilities and

mental retardation. In men, zinc depletion decreases fertility. Man's

best source of zinc is animal products, particularly oysters and red

meat.

Usable vitamin B12 occurs only in animal products. The body stores a

supply of vitamin B12 that can last from two to five years. When this

supply is depleted, B12 deficiency diseases result. These include

pernicious anemia, impaired eyesight, panic attacks, schizophrenia,

hallucinations and nervous disorders, such as weakness, loss of balance

and numbness in the hands and feet. One study found that a very high

percentage of inmates in psychiatric wards suffers from low serum levels

of B12. Vitamin B12 deficiency has been found in breast-fed infants of

strict vegetarians. Fermented soy foods and spirulina contain compounds

that resemble B12 but these forms are not absorbed by humans because

they are not picked up by the " intrinsic factor, " a specialized protein

secreted in the stomach that allows B12 to be assimilated. In fact, the

plant forms of B12 may even create B12 deficiencies.

....

A few highly publicized studies have claimed a link between consumption

of meat and saturated fats with cancer, especially cancer of the colon.

Studies claiming a correlation of animal product consumption with cancer

do not stand up to careful scrutiny. In many of these studies, the data

bases combined saturated fats from animal sources with hydrogenated

vegetable oils, known to be carcinogenic. Furthermore, these studies did

not include sugar and white flour in their surveys, even though

researcher and others have shown that in so-called civilized

countries high meat consumption and high sugar intake often occur

together. Actually, the pathway for colon cancer is well understood. It

involves high levels of omega-6 linoleic acid and hydrogenated fats,

which in the presence of carcinogens and acted on by certain enzymes in

the cells lining the colon lead to tumor formation. This explains why

colon cancer is prevalent in some industrialized countries where there

are many carcinogens in the diet and where consumption of vegetable oils

and sugar is high; but in traditional societies, where sugar and

vegetable oils are absent and the food is free of additives, meat-eating

is not associated with cancer. We have already seen that both fats and

carbohydrates can be devitalized by processing and refining. The same

can be said of proteins. Isolated protein powders made from soy, whey,

casein and egg whites are currently popular as basic ingredients in diet

beverages and many so-called health food products. These protein

isolates are usually obtained by a high-temperature process that

over-denatures the proteins to such an extent that they become virtually

useless while increasing nitrates and other carcinogens. Protein powders

are often consumed as part of a lowfat diet and can thereby lead to

depletion of vitamin A and D reserves. Soy protein isolates are high in

mineral-blocking phytates, thyroid-depressing phytoestrogens and potent

enzyme inhibitors that depress growth and cause cancer.

I recommend buying the book. There's a lot of information in it about

proper food preparation. Also check out the www.westonaprice.org

website. Very balanced, well explained and backed up by a wide variety

of research.

[Guest guest]

At least the meat eaters would run after the prey for some exercise:) As we

know...by just sitting on your bum and eating a bunch of saturated fat, will

increase your risk for stroke and heart attack right? The Hunza people ate many

apricots and worked for their food...

Have you ever read Nourishing Traditions, by Sally Fallon or read

articles on the westonaprice.org website?

I think a vegetarian diet is best as a cleansing diet, especially in the

case of cancer very important. Historically this is common in many

cultures. When people have disease a vegetarian diet is very important.

Long term, and for healthy people it doesn't not appear to be natural or

beneficial for humans to grow, and for children to develop properly. A

proper diet must include properly prepared food. If they are not

properly prepared they will cause absorption problems and deficiencies.

Traditional people all around the world learnt how to prepare their

foods over thousands of years. What we eat today isn't what our

ancestors were eating and what we evolved with. Go against nature and we

will end up with problems and disease.

I only learnt the importance of this after my wife developed breast

cancer, and why my own health left a lot to be desired!

From Nourishing Traditions, pp 27-29:

Vegetarians often claim that animal products shorten life span, but the

most cursory look at long-lived ethnic groups proves that this is not

the case. Russians from the Caucasus Mountains, an area famous for

longevity, eat lots of fatty meat and whole milk products. Studies of

Soviet Georgian populations show that those who have the most meat and

fat in their diets live the longest. Inhabitants of Vilcabamba in

Equador, known for their longevity, consume a variety of animal foods

including whole milk and fatty pork. The long-lived people of Hunza

consume animal protein in the form of high-fat goat milk products. On

the other hand, the vegetarian inhabitants of southern India have one of

the shortest life spans in the world.