Guest guest Posted June 21, 2001 Report Share Posted June 21, 2001 Dear Peggy, Yes, you could say it is a form of oxygen therapy. By the same token, taking a calcium supplement could also be said to be a form of oxygen therapy, because ionic calcium is what brings oxygen into the cell. That is why a lack of calcium is associated with 150 degenerative diseases, up to and including cancer. Best of Health! Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh, LOH chi machine > Dear Saul, > > You recently advised me that a chi machine would be useful for cleansing the lymphatic system (as I'm unable to use my rebounder). Now I read in their literature that they call the machine an oxygenator and state that 5 minutes on the machine is equivalent to a 30 minute walk in oxygenation. (They don't claim it has the other benefits of exercise, obviously). Would you agree with any of this or is it just hype? If true it would mean that a chi machine is a form of oxygen therapy, wouldn't it? And especially useful for anyone who, because of physical limitations, is unable to exercise much. > > Thanks. > > Peggy > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2001 Report Share Posted June 21, 2001 Peggy, The literature on the chi machine (foot shaker) is not hype. It actually is aerobic exercise, even though you lie on the floor. The machine rythmically moves your legs, which are a major portion of your anatomy. The heart has to pump blood for all the motion taking place, and it is therefor aerobic. Further, it eliminates most back pains because it keeps the spine loose & limber. Many ankle, knee & hip problems go away with regular movement als. Movement, along with sunlight, sound & fresh air, must be thought of as essential nutrients, because they are. In short, the foot shaker machines are defintiely good for you, and the chi high after you finish is a marvelous addition to stress-reducing programs. jim Tim and/or Peggy Walters wrote: > > Dear Saul, > > You recently advised me that a chi machine would be useful for cleansing the lymphatic system (as I'm unable to use my rebounder). Now I read in their literature that they call the machine an oxygenator and state that 5 minutes on the machine is equivalent to a 30 minute walk in oxygenation. (They don't claim it has the other benefits of exercise, obviously). Would you agree with any of this or is it just hype? If true it would mean that a chi machine is a form of oxygen therapy, wouldn't it? And especially useful for anyone who, because of physical limitations, is unable to exercise much. > > Thanks. > > Peggy ----- The TRUTH in 11 words: Inside every older person is a younger person wondering what happened! -- anon jlambert@... http://www.entrance.to/madscience http://www.entrance.to/poetry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2001 Report Share Posted June 21, 2001 Peggy, The literature on the chi machine (foot shaker) is not hype. It actually is aerobic exercise, even though you lie on the floor. The machine rythmically moves your legs, which are a major portion of your anatomy. The heart has to pump blood for all the motion taking place, and it is therefor aerobic. Further, it eliminates most back pains because it keeps the spine loose & limber. Many ankle, knee & hip problems go away with regular movement als. Movement, along with sunlight, sound & fresh air, must be thought of as essential nutrients, because they are. In short, the foot shaker machines are defintiely good for you, and the chi high after you finish is a marvelous addition to stress-reducing programs. jim Tim and/or Peggy Walters wrote: > > Dear Saul, > > You recently advised me that a chi machine would be useful for cleansing the lymphatic system (as I'm unable to use my rebounder). Now I read in their literature that they call the machine an oxygenator and state that 5 minutes on the machine is equivalent to a 30 minute walk in oxygenation. (They don't claim it has the other benefits of exercise, obviously). Would you agree with any of this or is it just hype? If true it would mean that a chi machine is a form of oxygen therapy, wouldn't it? And especially useful for anyone who, because of physical limitations, is unable to exercise much. > > Thanks. > > Peggy ----- The TRUTH in 11 words: Inside every older person is a younger person wondering what happened! -- anon jlambert@... http://www.entrance.to/madscience http://www.entrance.to/poetry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2001 Report Share Posted June 21, 2001 Thanks to both Saul & Jim for info on the chi machine. One more question (sorry if it's a dumb one): if this is actually aerobic exercise, would it be contraindicated for someone who is ill? I know it's passive, so I'm thinking it would not only be okay but also be a good idea, increasing circulation and oxygen. But I'm feeling particularly depleted today (used up too much energy yesterday which was supposed to be going into cleansing). I wasn't sure if the machine would help or simply be too much activity--yep, I felt so wiped out that lying with my feet on a chi machine felt like it might be too much. Could that possibly be correct? Peggy >>It actually is aerobic exercise, even though you lie on the floor. The machine rythmically moves your legs, which are a major portion of your anatomy. The heart has to pump blood for all the motion taking place, and it is therefor aerobic.>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2001 Report Share Posted June 21, 2001 Thanks to both Saul & Jim for info on the chi machine. One more question (sorry if it's a dumb one): if this is actually aerobic exercise, would it be contraindicated for someone who is ill? I know it's passive, so I'm thinking it would not only be okay but also be a good idea, increasing circulation and oxygen. But I'm feeling particularly depleted today (used up too much energy yesterday which was supposed to be going into cleansing). I wasn't sure if the machine would help or simply be too much activity--yep, I felt so wiped out that lying with my feet on a chi machine felt like it might be too much. Could that possibly be correct? Peggy >>It actually is aerobic exercise, even though you lie on the floor. The machine rythmically moves your legs, which are a major portion of your anatomy. The heart has to pump blood for all the motion taking place, and it is therefor aerobic.>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2001 Report Share Posted June 21, 2001 New to all this, so will someone please tell me what a chi machine is? Deanna ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2001 Report Share Posted June 21, 2001 I just bought one, We are all using it daily, I will let you know how it does, or anything good or bad Re: chi machine New to all this, so will someone please tell me what a chi machine is? Deanna ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self-help subjects. THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2001 Report Share Posted June 21, 2001 Hi Peggy, I have been using the Swing Machines for quite a while and can tell you that when I am exhausted, I look forward to laying down, putting my ankles in the machine and relaxing. I have very narrow ankles, so, I wrap mine in foam (the egg carton stuff that goes on beds) so my ankles don't get beat up from the back and forth motion. I started out with the cheapest version I could find. I found it at http://www.firstauction.com It is called an OxyFlow machine. It worked just fine for a while, until I wore it out. It only cost me $50.00 I won the auction for it. They don't have them in stock all the time, so you have to keep an eye out for the auctions if you want one of these. You can also just buy them from HSN. I don't know their price. But after using this machine I was able to see that it was a wonderful idea and I wanted to get a better quality machine that wouldn't wear out so quickly. I have an on-line health food store and carry these machines now that I know how wonderful they are. I have five different models. You can read about them here http://loaves-n-fishes.com/SwingMachines.shtml The one problem I have with it occasionally is that it sometimes aggravates an old knee injury. Not all the time, just sometimes. Then, I'm not able to stay on the machine for the full 15 minutes, just 5 minutes or so. ~Karma Re: chi machine Thanks to both Saul & Jim for info on the chi machine. One more question (sorry if it's a dumb one): if this is actually aerobic exercise, would it be contraindicated for someone who is ill? I know it's passive, so I'm thinking it would not only be okay but also be a good idea, increasing circulation and oxygen. But I'm feeling particularly depleted today (used up too much energy yesterday which was supposed to be going into cleansing). I wasn't sure if the machine would help or simply be too much activity--yep, I felt so wiped out that lying with my feet on a chi machine felt like it might be too much. Could that possibly be correct? Peggy >>It actually is aerobic exercise, even though you lie on the floor. The machine rythmically moves your legs, which are a major portion of your anatomy. The heart has to pump blood for all the motion taking place, and it is therefor aerobic.>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2001 Report Share Posted June 21, 2001 > New to all this, so will someone please tell me what a chi machine is? > Deanna Dear Deanna: A chi machine is a device about the size of a bread box that sits on the floor. It has recesses on top in which you rest your ankles as you lie on your back on the floor. Press the start button and the machine swings your ankles, and thus your legs and whole body, back and forth with dimishing lateral movement as you approach the upper torso and head. This lateral, back and forth motion sustained for 15 minutes or so appears to give all your muscles a gentle massage, gets the blood flowing, and the chi (life energy) flowing -- so that when you suddenly stop after fifteen minutes, you often experience a nice rushing sensation of chi up through your body. Hope this helps to explain things. Cheers, Colin Yardley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2001 Report Share Posted June 21, 2001 But, what is it? Can you describe it to me? On Thu, 21 Jun 2001 18:46:53 -0700 " Rapid Recovery Hyperbarics " hyperbaric1@...> writes: I just bought one, We are all using it daily, I will let you know how it does, or anything good or bad Re: chi machine New to all this, so will someone please tell me what a chi machine is? Deanna ________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2001 Report Share Posted June 22, 2001 Hello List, Anyone have information on the safety of the Chi Machine for people with Osteoporosis? Steve > ** Original Subject: RE: chi machine > ** Original Sender: " Karma Tucker " <karma@...> > ** Original Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 04:56:44 +0000 > ** Original Message follows... > > Hi Peggy, > I have been using the Swing Machines for quite a while and can tell you that > when I am exhausted, I look forward to laying down, putting my ankles in the > machine and relaxing. I have very narrow ankles, so, I wrap mine in foam > (the egg carton stuff that goes on beds) so my ankles don't get beat up from > the back and forth motion. I started out with the cheapest version I could > find. I found it at http://www.firstauction.com It is called an OxyFlow > machine. It worked just fine for a while, until I wore it out. It only > cost me $50.00 I won the auction for it. They don't have them in stock all > the time, so you have to keep an eye out for the auctions if you want one of > these. You can also just buy them from HSN. I don't know their price. But > after using this machine I was able to see that it was a wonderful idea and > I wanted to get a better quality machine that wouldn't wear out so quickly. > I have an on-line health food store and carry these machines now that I know > how wonderful they are. I have five different models. You can read about > them here http://loaves-n-fishes.com/SwingMachines.shtml The one problem I > have with it occasionally is that it sometimes aggravates an old knee > injury. Not all the time, just sometimes. Then, I'm not able to stay on > the machine for the full 15 minutes, just 5 minutes or so. > > ~Karma > > Re: chi machine > > > Thanks to both Saul & Jim for info on the chi machine. One more question > (sorry if it's a dumb one): if this is actually aerobic exercise, would it > be contraindicated for someone who is ill? I know it's passive, so I'm > thinking it would not only be okay but also be a good idea, increasing > circulation and oxygen. But I'm feeling particularly depleted today (used > up too much energy yesterday which was supposed to be going into cleansing). > I wasn't sure if the machine would help or simply be too much activity--yep, > I felt so wiped out that lying with my feet on a chi machine felt like it > might be too much. Could that possibly be correct? > > Peggy > >>It actually is aerobic exercise, even though you lie on the floor. The > machine > rythmically moves your legs, which are a major portion of your anatomy. > The heart has to pump blood for all the motion taking place, and it is > therefor aerobic.>> > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2001 Report Share Posted June 22, 2001 Peggy, I own a foot shaker, chi machine. It has a variable speed control from very slow to very fast. It also has a variable speed program which takes you through the speeds during a fifteen minute cycle automatically. It's higher quality than most of them. I don't use it much anymore. It's almost new. IF you or anyone here is interested in purchasing it, email me privately. P. Peggy says: Thanks to both Saul & Jim for info on the chi machine. One more question (sorry if it's a dumb one): if this is actually aerobic exercise, would it be contraindicated for someone who is ill? I know it's passive, so I'm thinking it would not only be okay but also be a good idea, increasing circulation and oxygen. But I'm feeling particularly depleted today (used up too much energy yesterday which was supposed to be going into cleansing). I wasn't sure if the machine would help or simply be too much activity--yep, I felt so wiped out that lying with my feet on a chi machine felt like it might be too much. Could that possibly be correct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2001 Report Share Posted June 22, 2001 Peggy, I own a foot shaker, chi machine. It has a variable speed control from very slow to very fast. It also has a variable speed program which takes you through the speeds during a fifteen minute cycle automatically. It's higher quality than most of them. I don't use it much anymore. It's almost new. IF you or anyone here is interested in purchasing it, email me privately. P. Peggy says: Thanks to both Saul & Jim for info on the chi machine. One more question (sorry if it's a dumb one): if this is actually aerobic exercise, would it be contraindicated for someone who is ill? I know it's passive, so I'm thinking it would not only be okay but also be a good idea, increasing circulation and oxygen. But I'm feeling particularly depleted today (used up too much energy yesterday which was supposed to be going into cleansing). I wasn't sure if the machine would help or simply be too much activity--yep, I felt so wiped out that lying with my feet on a chi machine felt like it might be too much. Could that possibly be correct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2001 Report Share Posted June 22, 2001 You might try this to see: Lay on the floor or bed, then ask someone to pick up your legs by holding onto you ankles keeping your feet elevated about 6 inches and about 6 inches apart. Ask the person to swing your legs left and right with the swing being about the same distance 6-7 inches. They should swing your legs as quickly as they are able and as long as they are able. This simulates what a Chi machine will do for you, since you will probably only be able to talk this person into doing this for you once! It sounds easy, but it wears a person out. I have done this for people who wanted to see if the machine would help them when I didn't have one with me to show them what in the heck it was. Hope this helps, ~Karma chi machine My mother & I have Restless Leg Syndrome. Would a Chi Machine be especially helpful to relieve this problem? Or any other suggestions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2001 Report Share Posted June 22, 2001 Hi , I have had this problem for years. The first time I remember experiencing it I was 14 years old. It runs in my family. After many years of suffering from lying in bed for hours trying to sleep while the legs did their own thing, I discovered that if I get up and exercise my leg muscles until they're fatigued, this seems to dissipate the excess energy. My legs get totally relaxed and I can sleep with no problems. I know this flies in the face of all the advice not to exercise before sleep, but it works for me. I haven't even tried to go to bed for years without first doing leg exercises. Lying on the side and doing leg raises on each leg is the main one. If I hold my leg up in the air for a few seconds, it's harder work which makes it more effective for tiring the leg and eliminating the excess energy. I've tried calcium and other supplements--none of them have been at all effective for me. Only the exercise. Sometimes I wake up in the night and the problem has arrived, so I have to get up and do it again. It's a real pain, but at least it's a workable solution. My mother says that lying in bed and tightening her leg muscles intensely for awhile works for her. It doesn't work for me. I've always thought it unbelievably ironic that I have long term chronic fatigue, and yet I have to do something at night to eliminate excess energy from my system. How nice it would be if I could harness it and use it where and when I need it. The chi machine has not helped with this. The sort of rush of vibrations it produces is just the opposite of what I need to calm down my legs. Peggy >>My mother & I have Restless Leg Syndrome. Would a Chi Machine be especially helpful to relieve this problem? Or any other suggestions? >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2001 Report Share Posted June 22, 2001 Dear , 500 mg of calcium + Vitamin D at bedtime. Best of Health! Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh, LOH chi machine > My mother & I have Restless Leg Syndrome. Would a Chi > Machine be especially helpful to relieve this problem? Or any > other suggestions? > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2001 Report Share Posted June 22, 2001 Dear , 500 mg of calcium + Vitamin D at bedtime. Best of Health! Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh, LOH chi machine > My mother & I have Restless Leg Syndrome. Would a Chi > Machine be especially helpful to relieve this problem? Or any > other suggestions? > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2001 Report Share Posted June 22, 2001 Hi Peggy, I had the same thing for years. Seems to go along with cfs. I did notice that wheat makes it worse and coral calcium seems to help. As I have gotten weller (?smile) it has totally gone away. I did the same as you. I had to exercise my legs. Sometimes I would just tighten the muscles and then relax them and it would do the trick. Other times I would have to do deep knee bends or something to really work the leg muscles. Donna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2001 Report Share Posted June 22, 2001 Hi Peggy, I had the same thing for years. Seems to go along with cfs. I did notice that wheat makes it worse and coral calcium seems to help. As I have gotten weller (?smile) it has totally gone away. I did the same as you. I had to exercise my legs. Sometimes I would just tighten the muscles and then relax them and it would do the trick. Other times I would have to do deep knee bends or something to really work the leg muscles. Donna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2001 Report Share Posted June 22, 2001 << http://www.firstauction.com >> First auction is closed but I found 127 of them for sale on e-bay. Anywhere from $99.00 to $ 475.00 Christel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2001 Report Share Posted June 22, 2001 << http://www.firstauction.com >> First auction is closed but I found 127 of them for sale on e-bay. Anywhere from $99.00 to $ 475.00 Christel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2001 Report Share Posted June 22, 2001 Hi Sandy, I use mine twice a day. 15 minutes each. The Oxycisor is the machine that Home Shopping Network used to sell, then had to re-name it to the OxyFlow machine. It is the one that can be picked up some times for under $100.00 from http://www.firstauction.com I watched everyday for a couple of months and won a half hour auction for my first machine. I just couldn't bring myself to spend several hundred dollars for one. Since then, I have tried almost every swing machine on the market and sell most of them too. The problem with the original Sun Harmony Chi Machine, is that it is MLM and costs more because of it. It is a great machine though, very good quality machine. ~Karma chi machine Hi everyone, I've had an oxycisor in my bedroom for two years and haven't used it. Thankfully, this list is motivating me to put it into action. How many times a day should this be used for best results? I don't remember. Thanks Sandy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2001 Report Share Posted June 22, 2001 Hi Sandy, I use mine twice a day. 15 minutes each. The Oxycisor is the machine that Home Shopping Network used to sell, then had to re-name it to the OxyFlow machine. It is the one that can be picked up some times for under $100.00 from http://www.firstauction.com I watched everyday for a couple of months and won a half hour auction for my first machine. I just couldn't bring myself to spend several hundred dollars for one. Since then, I have tried almost every swing machine on the market and sell most of them too. The problem with the original Sun Harmony Chi Machine, is that it is MLM and costs more because of it. It is a great machine though, very good quality machine. ~Karma chi machine Hi everyone, I've had an oxycisor in my bedroom for two years and haven't used it. Thankfully, this list is motivating me to put it into action. How many times a day should this be used for best results? I don't remember. Thanks Sandy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2001 Report Share Posted June 22, 2001 Oh, my, I'm sorry. I hadn't checked back for a while on firstauction. I didn't realize they were closed. I sell my machines on e-bay too. I sell brand new ones below cost when I need some space for other stuff. :-) I don't have any up for auction right now though. ~Karma Re: chi machine << http://www.firstauction.com >> First auction is closed but I found 127 of them for sale on e-bay. Anywhere from $99.00 to $ 475.00 Christel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2001 Report Share Posted June 22, 2001 Oh, my, I'm sorry. I hadn't checked back for a while on firstauction. I didn't realize they were closed. I sell my machines on e-bay too. I sell brand new ones below cost when I need some space for other stuff. :-) I don't have any up for auction right now though. ~Karma Re: chi machine << http://www.firstauction.com >> First auction is closed but I found 127 of them for sale on e-bay. Anywhere from $99.00 to $ 475.00 Christel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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