Back Pain

[Guest guest]

Hi Everyone,

I`ve been behind reading my emails

again!

I have been interested in the topic of

pain in the seat area as I had plenty of

experience of this!

The problem started when I was fairly

young, there was no fall of any kind

that I can remember but after some

time of me complaining my mother

took me to a doctor when I was about

7. He could find nothing wrong and

said the cause was me bruising the

bone during gym classes because I

was so thin. I stopped doing gym and

the pain did ease but never went away

fully.

When I was in my early 20`s I slipped

and fell on my bottom, not very hard

but the pain was unbearable. An x-ray

showed 2 breaks in the sacrum area

of the spine and I was sent to an

orthopedic specialist who studied the

x-rays and told me that there had

indeed been a tiny crack in the area

for years leading to the end of the

spine being slightly deformed leaving

it open to being easily broken.

Over the next 2 years all sorts of

physiotheraphy was tried to `fix` me

but nothing helped and the pain just

wouldn`t ease so the doctors

suggested surgery to remove the

coccyx (tailbone). This was a new

operation in the country at the time but

I had it done and I`ve never had so

much as a twinge since.

Sorry for being so long winded.

Joyce.

[Guest guest]

Dear Joyce,

Wish my printer was working. I'd print out you letter and take it to my

Doctor! So sorry for your pain, but a relief to know that SOMEBODY else

seems to have had the exact same pain that I have. I've always suspected

that the problem lies with the tailbone. Thanks!!!!!

----- Original Message -----

From: <jp20@...>

< >

Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 7:34 PM

Subject: [] re: Back Pain

> Hi Everyone,

>

> I`ve been behind reading my emails

> again!

> I have been interested in the topic of

> pain in the seat area as I had plenty of

> experience of this!

> The problem started when I was fairly

> young, there was no fall of any kind

> that I can remember but after some

> time of me complaining my mother

> took me to a doctor when I was about

> 7. He could find nothing wrong and

> said the cause was me bruising the

> bone during gym classes because I

> was so thin. I stopped doing gym and

> the pain did ease but never went away

> fully.

> When I was in my early 20`s I slipped

> and fell on my bottom, not very hard

> but the pain was unbearable. An x-ray

> showed 2 breaks in the sacrum area

> of the spine and I was sent to an

> orthopedic specialist who studied the

> x-rays and told me that there had

> indeed been a tiny crack in the area

> for years leading to the end of the

> spine being slightly deformed leaving

> it open to being easily broken.

> Over the next 2 years all sorts of

> physiotheraphy was tried to `fix` me

> but nothing helped and the pain just

> wouldn`t ease so the doctors

> suggested surgery to remove the

> coccyx (tailbone). This was a new

> operation in the country at the time but

> I had it done and I`ve never had so

> much as a twinge since.

> Sorry for being so long winded.

>

> Joyce.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I was wondering if anyone knew why during a GB attack there is so

much pain between the shoulder blades?

Also, I would like to a cleanse, but am kind of scared to. I worry

that a stone may get " stuck " . Anyone tell me which one they did from

the Curezone.com page and any preparations they did for it?

Thank you!

Lynn

[Guest guest]

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Hi,

I was wondering if anyone knew why during a GB attack there is so

much pain between the shoulder blades?

Also, I would like to a cleanse, but am kind of scared to. I worry

that a stone may get " stuck " . Anyone tell me which one they did from

the Curezone.com page and any preparations they did for it?

Thank you!

Lynn

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Lynn;

If you've ever hit your finger with a hammer there is a tendency for there to be

pain up the arm and sometimes into the shoulder because of the tension it

causes. I'm fairly sure that this is pretty much the same with bile stone

attacks whether from the gallbladder, liver, pancreas, or the common bile duct.

I can tell you that on the last attack I had in October of '99' that I was on

the gurney in more ways than one. It was impossible for me to just lay there so

I was over it forwards, backwards with my arms out over my head, curled into a

fetal position on all four sides. I even got on the floor because it was cooler

and spun around a couple of times there too, and didn't care if the floor was

dirty or not. It's amazing how some levels of pain will force you do things you

would never do any other time. I really felt that pain virtually all over.

I know that there is a lot of apprehension about doing a cleanse because of the

ever present fear that something may go wrong. I did it with the doctor having

told me that I just had " A " stone, and I didn't have a support group from which

to acquire some extra input before making that leap of faith. I did it because I

figured the hospital is just down the street and if it really came to me having

to get things cut and cleared I could always go there. However, it turned out to

be no big deal, for me, at any rate. I passed a massive amount of bile sludge

and then later that morning I started passing massive amounts of gallstones and

felt great that it worked so darn easily.

I think the fear is something like we get when getting behind the wheel the

first time to drive a car. Our minds tend to see the worst of it before we get

going and then after a short period of time we realize our fears were just more

exaggerated imagination than real. The flush has been done by so many people who

have had such success that I simply felt that I could do it too so I did!

Today I write here because of my success in making such a dynamic change in my

life. I have gone from having a thickened and severely diseased gallbladder to

one that looks as normal as anyone else's. I have also gone from sever liver

damage to getting back some of my liver's health to a point where my liver spots

have diminished dramatically from the back of my hands and my forehead. I have

also gotten one other dynamic benefit in the loss of a sumo gut that prevented

me from seeing my toes unless I bent forward far enough to do so. It will have

been three years once I get past the date of October 23 since I had my last bile

stone attack, which wasn't even a bile stone attack.

My last attack occurred because of the diet on which I had put myself. That diet

was so void of fats that I wasn't getting enough of the essential fatty acids my

body needed to sustain the liver's function. It was, without question, the worst

of the attacks I'd suffered to date. I had taken Five Roxicets to try to offset

the pain before having gone to the hospital and those didn't come close to

dealing with the pain. I really thought that this was going to be the day they

were going to be doing emergency surgery and take out my gallbladder, which I

would have gladly accepted at that time, but when they took me to have an

ultrasound to try to see if there was a lodged stone they discovered that my

gallbladder had no stones and that there was nothing in the common bile duct to

be seen.

Now normally an ultrasound isn't necessarily a great indicator of gallstones

being present unless the technician is looking specifically for them. In my case

I had two technicians trying to find stones, and using various techniques to do

so because they were so certain that there must be a stone somewhere, lodged,

and causing a backup of bile flow.

They didn't find a thing but my doctor told me at the follow up the next day

that my gallbladder, which he said was dead seven months previous to this, was

looking healthy and normal without any stones to be seen. He noted however that

my liver although looking good had enlarged bile ducts and my blood test was

showing liver damage.

It was this information that sent me back to the net looking for more

information regarding the liver, and that was when I came to know about the

connection between fats and how they work with the liver. I found that

information and got it enlarged upon by reading the Liver Doctor Dr.

Cabot's book, " The Liver Cleansing Diet " . Since applying the principles of her

information I have not had an attack. I have had those notes saying that what I

had eaten were not what was making my liver happy but I've learned in the time

since what to eat and what not to eat to prevent or reduce that feedback from my

liver and bowels.

So, very simply, Lynn, you will not be the only one to have had this fear of

having a stone lodge in the bile duct, or just not get out of the gallbladder or

liver. I can only tell you that your body is yours to do with as you may. I just

hope you can get to the point of being as pain free as possible with or without

surgery to do so.

My flush preparation was very simply to fast for three days prior to the day of

flushing, taking hydrangea root, Gold Coin Grass, pure fresh squeezed apple

juice, and ate fruit like water melon; to maintain some form of energy. On the

day of the flush I followed the regimen of 24 oz of water with 3 tablespoons of

Epsom Salts and drank that four times as directed with 6 ounces being used each

time. I then, for my size of over 200 lbs, took 8 ounces of the purest of extra

virgin olive oil and mixed that with an equal amount of fresh squeezed

grapefruit juice and downed it. Being as hungry as I was this was like getting a

meal in a glass but I still had to deal with the nausea it caused, even though

minor.

Dale

[Guest guest]

I'm not a chiropractor, but go to one regularly, and am

not sure I can explain as well as he can, but the nerves

from our spine go to all different organs, muscles, etc.

to among other things, signal them to contract, etc.

If one of those organs is not functioning properly, it also

affects the nerve which in turn is felt in the spine...may even

put the spine out of alignment. And once the spine is

out of alignment, the nerves can be pinched, etc., and

cannot do their work properly, so it's kind of a vicious

circle. That's why I try to take care of myself with diet,

etc., but also go to Chiropractor, to cover all the bases.

(That's really a layman's explanation, hope theirs not too many

chiropractors on the list laughing right now :-)

L. Meydrech, CN

http://nutritionist.tripod.com/gallbladder.html ~ My Flushes

http://nutritionist.tripod.com ~ Journey to Health & Auctions

" A cheerful heart is good medicine " Prov. 17:22a

----- Original Message -----

From: " Lynn " <lynnwin01@...>

<gallstones >

Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2002 1:02 AM

Subject: Back Pain

> Hi,

>

> I was wondering if anyone knew why during a GB attack there is so

> much pain between the shoulder blades?

[Guest guest]

Marcia- I am so sorry your situation is so dire. I will say that consulting with an attorney to sue for SSDI is a good thing for you right now. Having had previous surgery and pushing through to keep working will weigh heavily in your favor with the law judge. There is usually a waiting period but in your case I think that would not be as long as the standard two years and with your history of surgery and RA, that might be also factored in. Also considering your situation personally, if you have no one to take you in, there is always emergency aid. I have been on it. You can sue for support from your ex to help you. Once again I do have to say to everyone and this is SO important. Get long term disability. Its a life saver literally. It will hold you over between the time you apply for disability and your approval. No one thinks they need it until they are in such a hard situation. Is there literally no one, No family or a friend or relative you could stay with? I really would talk to a disability lawyer as well as a divorce lawyer. I went from being a full time nanny position (uninsured, under the table, to living in my fathers house and applying for food stamps, fuel assistance and living on emergency aid until I got approved. Was it hard, yes, demeaning yes, but since then my parents and most of my family have long since passed I have a subsidized apartment and can manage to scratch out a living with my check each month. I sell a little on ebay and have a very supportive DH who lives pay check to paycheck but who also has a house and so I have set up several security parachutes if I need them. Find a friend or family to stay with if at all possible and go through the system to receive assistance until your SSDI claim is approved. I dont know why you didnt apply during your last hip replacements but that was then and this is now. Good luck with the acupuncture. Hugs, Deborah

On 2/21/07, marciastoyle <marciastoyle@...> wrote:

Deborah, I thank you for your comments. Yes, I have a full plate

right now. My job is secretary at a city high school. We are

self-insured, and I cannot receive the standard short-term disability

payments that are available to most people. I have earned only seven

weeks of sick time. I used up all my benefits with my prior two hip

replacement surgeries. That means I have to resign, and would be

without any income after seven weeks. As my marriage is over, I have

no one to support me financially. If approval of SSDI is not

immediate, I will be living on the curb. My rheumy does not feel

chiropratic referral would work for me. She did give me the business

card for an acupuncture specialist. I will try that route first.

thanks again, Marcia