Re: Arlyn's Thermography Adventure

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In a message dated 5/5/08 5:21:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

arlynsg@... writes:

> I need to get me a crystal dowser!

>

> DCIS is detectable with mammography. The digital mammograms are very

> good at picking it up. Whether or not mammography is safe, I would

> rather have my DCIS caught before it becomes invasive than waiting until

> after.

>

> I was not given an ultrasound as DCIS cannot be detected by ultrasound

> because there is no mass. So, ultrasounds may not be able to pick up

> stage 0 cancer

>

>

> What about an MRI?

>

>

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Unfortunately most cancer diagnosis is largely guess work regardless

of the detection methods used. hCG in my opinion along with elevated

levels of lactic acid is as good a method as any and is very

inexpensive to implement. The main drawback to thermography is that

it cannot locate the position or size of the offending tumor.

DCIS is undetectable until it is kicked into play. Then there us

ultrasound, MRI, crystal dowsing (just kidding), etc. None of it is

all that reliable.

>

> Wow. It took a lot of googling and searching. I finally found an

> article in a local magazine that mentions an Orlando Thermography

> location. Turns out, there is no location. It's a woman with a

mobile unit - so she travels to different locations in Orlando.....

[Guest guest]

I need to get me a crystal dowser!

DCIS is detectable with mammography. The digital mammograms are very

good at picking it up. Whether or not mammography is safe, I would

rather have my DCIS caught before it becomes invasive than waiting until

after.

I was not given an ultrasound as DCIS cannot be detected by ultrasound

because there is no mass. So, ultrasounds may not be able to pick up

stage 0 cancer.

And MRIs also may miss DCIS.

Looks like the surest way to find stage 0 cancer is through Mammography.

So now it looks like, though I will have the thermogram to check for

other things, I will probably have to continue having mammograms in

order to keep tabs on possible DCIS recurring.

ar

On Mon, 05 May 2008 21:03:29 -0000, " comdyne2002 " <comdyne@...>

said:

> Unfortunately most cancer diagnosis is largely guess work regardless

> of the detection methods used. hCG in my opinion along with elevated

> levels of lactic acid is as good a method as any and is very

> inexpensive to implement. The main drawback to thermography is that

> it cannot locate the position or size of the offending tumor.

>

> DCIS is undetectable until it is kicked into play. Then there us

> ultrasound, MRI, crystal dowsing (just kidding), etc. None of it is

> all that reliable.

>

>

> >

> > Wow. It took a lot of googling and searching. I finally found an

> > article in a local magazine that mentions an Orlando Thermography

> > location. Turns out, there is no location. It's a woman with a

> mobile unit - so she travels to different locations in Orlando.....

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

On Mon, 5 May 2008 17:41:17 EDT, szukipoo@... said:

> > What about an MRI?

Some sites say MRIs may not pick up on DCIS. Others say it can.

ar

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Arlyn Grant

arlynsg@...

[Guest guest]

Hi Arlyn,

DCIS is detectable with mammography. The digital mammograms are very

good at picking it up. Whether or not mammography is safe, I would

rather have my DCIS caught before it becomes invasive than waiting until

after.

When I was dx with Breast Cancer, I had IDC and DCIS. The DCIS was not

picked up on the mammogram or the ultrasound. The surgeon found it

during surgery and lucky for me, it was right next to the other tumor.

So mamography's do not always pick up DCIS. Now with the new digital

mammograms it might be better but who knows.

Good luck with your Thermography. I have had a few of them since my dx.

Look around and see if you can find other places near you that does

them. I have been to two of them and both of the people doing them were

very good and knowledgable about breast cancer issues.

Here is one site I found very informative on Thermographies.

http://www.iact-org.org/patients/breastthermography/what-is-breast-therm.html

in MN

[Guest guest]

Arlyn,

Thanks for all the information on the various screening methods for breast

cancer and the processes you have gone through. As a brain cancer survivor, and

also as someone 36 years old, still 4 years away from the recommended first

mamogram, this topic has been on my mind! I was familiar with the methods all

have discussed- but what I did not know is the thermography's inability to

detect DCIS.

Please continue to keep us posted, it's always great to hear from you!

--

Lori (36 years young)

Dx: 12/25/06 oligodendroglioma rt parietal lobe, grade II (grad mal seizure)

Sx: 12/27/06 partial resection, 1P19Q deletions

Complications: 1/18/06 & 2/14/08 pulmonary embolism; 1/15-1/31/06 severe Dilantin

reaction

Tx: Prayer, Protocel, watch/wait, juicing/raw diet, continued research...

Concurrent diagnosis: FVL (rare blood clotting disorder)

---- Arlyn Grant <arlynsg@...> wrote:

> Wow. It took a lot of googling and searching. I finally found an

> article in a local magazine that mentions an Orlando Thermography

> location. Turns out, there is no location. It's a woman with a mobile unit -

so she travels to different locations in Orlando. Hence how difficult it was to

track her down............

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

How do you feel your thermograms are as far as showing accurate

information? Thanks for that website!

That's correct, not all DCIS will show up on a mammogram. The digital

ones are far more accurate. Which, by the way, is why DCIS diagnosis is

on the rise. Which is also why there is so much DCIS controversy -

treat or not to treat.

ar

On Mon, 05 May 2008 17:58:32 -0500, " "

<Lhunhen@...> said:

> Hi Arlyn,

>

>

> DCIS is detectable with mammography. The digital mammograms are very

> good at picking it up. Whether or not mammography is safe, I would

> rather have my DCIS caught before it becomes invasive than waiting until

> after.

>

> When I was dx with Breast Cancer, I had IDC and DCIS. The DCIS was not

> picked up on the mammogram or the ultrasound. The surgeon found it

> during surgery and lucky for me, it was right next to the other tumor.

>

> So mamography's do not always pick up DCIS. Now with the new digital

> mammograms it might be better but who knows.

>

> Good luck with your Thermography. I have had a few of them since my dx.

> Look around and see if you can find other places near you that does

> them. I have been to two of them and both of the people doing them were

> very good and knowledgable about breast cancer issues.

>

> Here is one site I found very informative on Thermographies.

> http://www.iact-org.org/patients/breastthermography/what-is-breast-therm.html

>

> in MN

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dr. Bard's Clinic in NYC uses 3-D and 4-D

Powerful Colored Dopplers. I believe he can see the

smallest/faintest sign of cancer.

[Guest guest]

Arlyn,

> Hi ,

>

> How do you feel your thermograms are as far as showing accurate

> information? Thanks for that website!

>

The person I go to for the Thermography does a very good job of

explaining it all to me right there. I feel confident that it's showing

accurate information. If anything looks weird on there I would have a

another test to find out.

As for mammograms, I will not subject myself to that barbaric machine

again. Having that much compression can't be good for the breast

especially if you have had any cancer there in the past or present.

Also the radiation.

Is the digital mammogram done the same way, with compression?

in MN

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Yes, the digital machine is the same.

I didn't have any pain, though. But I think it odd that just because

something CAN be smooshed to such an extent, doesn't mean it should be.

But I am very glad it found my DCIS.

ar

On Tue, 06 May 2008 07:00:47 -0500, " "

<Lhunhen@...> said:

> Arlyn,

>

> > Hi ,

> >

> > How do you feel your thermograms are as far as showing accurate

> > information? Thanks for that website!

> >

> The person I go to for the Thermography does a very good job of

> explaining it all to me right there. I feel confident that it's showing

> accurate information. If anything looks weird on there I would have a

> another test to find out.

>

> As for mammograms, I will not subject myself to that barbaric machine

> again. Having that much compression can't be good for the breast

> especially if you have had any cancer there in the past or present.

> Also the radiation.

>

> Is the digital mammogram done the same way, with compression?

>

> in MN

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hello,

I believe that thermography only goes about 6mm under

the skin. I had one done in Dec. 2007, everything

clear, and in March of 2008 I had a CT Scan and it

found lymph nodes enlarged, plus a whole host of

small cell tumors in my lungs. Depends on what you are

trying to detect.

Good luck and God bless, CM

--- Arlyn Grant <arlynsg@...> wrote:

> Hi ,

>

> Yes, the digital machine is the same.

>

> I didn't have any pain, though. But I think it odd

> that just because

> something CAN be smooshed to such an extent, doesn't

> mean it should be.

>

> But I am very glad it found my DCIS.

>

> ar

>

> On Tue, 06 May 2008 07:00:47 -0500, " "

> <Lhunhen@...> said:

> > Arlyn,

> >

> > > Hi ,

> > >

> > > How do you feel your thermograms are as far as

> showing accurate

> > > information? Thanks for that website!

> > >

> > The person I go to for the Thermography does a

> very good job of

> > explaining it all to me right there. I feel

> confident that it's showing

> > accurate information. If anything looks weird on

> there I would have a

> > another test to find out.

> >

> > As for mammograms, I will not subject myself to

> that barbaric machine

> > again. Having that much compression can't be good

> for the breast

> > especially if you have had any cancer there in the

> past or present.

> > Also the radiation.

> >

> > Is the digital mammogram done the same way, with

> compression?

> >

> > in MN

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Thanks for that info, CM. I'll have to ask about that because 6mm isn't

very deep.

ar

On Tue, 6 May 2008 08:29:32 -0700 (PDT), " ronald worcester "

<rccnrftpo@...> said:

> Hello,

>

> I believe that thermography only goes about 6mm under

> the skin. I had one done in Dec. 2007, everything

> clear, and in March of 2008 I had a CT Scan and it

> found lymph nodes enlarged, plus a whole host of

> small cell tumors in my lungs. Depends on what you are

> trying to detect.

>

> Good luck and God bless, CM

>

>

> --- Arlyn Grant <arlynsg@...> wrote:

>

> > Hi ,

> >

> > Yes, the digital machine is the same.

> >

> > I didn't have any pain, though. But I think it odd

> > that just because

> > something CAN be smooshed to such an extent, doesn't

> > mean it should be.

> >

> > But I am very glad it found my DCIS.

> >

> > ar

> >

> > On Tue, 06 May 2008 07:00:47 -0500, " "

> > <Lhunhen@...> said:

> > > Arlyn,

> > >

> > > > Hi ,

> > > >

> > > > How do you feel your thermograms are as far as

> > showing accurate

> > > > information? Thanks for that website!

> > > >

> > > The person I go to for the Thermography does a

> > very good job of

> > > explaining it all to me right there. I feel

> > confident that it's showing

> > > accurate information. If anything looks weird on

> > there I would have a

> > > another test to find out.

> > >

> > > As for mammograms, I will not subject myself to

> > that barbaric machine

> > > again. Having that much compression can't be good

> > for the breast

> > > especially if you have had any cancer there in the

> > past or present.

> > > Also the radiation.

> > >

> > > Is the digital mammogram done the same way, with

> > compression?

> > >

> > > in MN

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

At 08:29 AM 5/6/2008, you wrote:

>I believe that thermography only goes about 6mm under

>the skin.

Thermography measures skin temperature. That is all that it

does. It is a misuse of the technology to try to " see " tumors. It

does an absolutely wonderful job of doing exactly what it does -- it

indicates autonomic dysfunction as reflected in sudomotor

response. I have done hundreds of these as the CRT variety as I am

used to dealing with the algorithms. When I find atonia in, say, a

region of the breasts, then I usually arrange for an elastogram and a

blood tumor marker test, i.e., a CA 27-29 or a CA 15-3.

There are other safe tests (such at that developed by Betton Massey,

M.D. in 1917), that are valid. We instruct on these in our seminars

under the discourse topics of forgotten/neglected technologies in

cancer diagnosis and treatment.

[Guest guest]

Thanks for that info, .

I am finding the decision as to what to do for my " after care " to be

just as difficult as deciding what to do for treatment.

Any insights you may have are greatly appreciated.

ar

On Tue, 06 May 2008 10:04:54 -0700, " VGammill " <vgammill@...>

said:

> At 08:29 AM 5/6/2008, you wrote:

> >I believe that thermography only goes about 6mm under

> >the skin.

>

>

> Thermography measures skin temperature. That is all that it

> does. It is a misuse of the technology to try to " see " tumors. It

> does an absolutely wonderful job of doing exactly what it does -- it

> indicates autonomic dysfunction as reflected in sudomotor

> response. I have done hundreds of these as the CRT variety as I am

> used to dealing with the algorithms. When I find atonia in, say, a

> region of the breasts, then I usually arrange for an elastogram and a

> blood tumor marker test, i.e., a CA 27-29 or a CA 15-3.

>

> There are other safe tests (such at that developed by Betton Massey,

> M.D. in 1917), that are valid. We instruct on these in our seminars

> under the discourse topics of forgotten/neglected technologies in

> cancer diagnosis and treatment.

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Okay!

It took a lot of devotion to find someone to do a breast thermogram for

me. But I did it. And I have to say, I really liked this scan and will

continue to do it.

The cost was $175 for the first session. Because I am establishing my

baseline, I will need to have another session in three months for

another $175. I have a doctor's prescription for thermography, and I

hope insurance will reimburse me for some of the cost.

I received my results by mail 11 days later. The results included a

write up by the doctor who viewed the pictures and the pictures

themselves.

The findings were fibrocystic changes which likely represent excess

estrogen relative to progesterone (estrogen dominance).

ar

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Arlyn Grant

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