Fw: Ira's issues/and from other list

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Big Ops!!!!!

I made a major mistake and didn't notice that I actually sent this to Ira's

personal address while monitoring a reply. Sorry Ira! I really meant for

this to be on the groups page and not to send it directly to you. Now they

can read the post as it was meant to be instead of your needing to request

from the group as to whether being a satan and like wormwood is a good

thing.

I was in just too much of a hurry to get to my real work for the day.

Dale

----- Original Message -----

From: " Dale " <Da_@...>

" Ira L. son " <laser@...>

Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 9:52 AM

Subject: Re: Ira's issues/and from other list

>

> Issue Number One

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>

> At or about 09:51, 09/08/02 (my clock), Dale made the following

> statement:

> =========Start of Material Being Replied to========

> >Ok Ira; so much for poetic endeavor on my part the words I used will

> >work but it's not worth the time to get into that. The fact is now that

> >you've explained yourself it may be better deserving of an answer of

> >which I would have presumed you would conclude upon your own gestation.

> >>>>>>>>>>>==End of Quoted Material==<<<<<<<<<<<

>

> I request an explanation of what the learned gentleman was attempting to

> say.

>

> If he will be so kind as to rephrase, I'll be happy to respond.

>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

> Issue Number Two;

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

> On another list and in a different context, the listowner described the

> emails that they receive. It reminded me of the situation here, so I

> thought I'd share his comments.

>

> If you see yourself here, you might take heed.

>

> >Approximately one in every couple of thousand is totally

> >obnoxious and vulgar. They will write and the email will be

> >loaded with curse words, and derogatory statements; you name it,

> >they write it. They rudely demand to be removed from the list

> >when all it takes to be removed is about 10 seconds with a quick

> >click to the website.

> >

> >It no longer bothers us, it did at first, but you get used to

> >it. You begin to see the spirit behind it and eventually feel

> >more compassion than anger. They are often hurting very deeply

> >themselves and only know how to lash out as they have been

> >lashed out against.

>

> To get back to our world, I have been called the following on the

> Gallstones list:

>

> " I find you to be wormwood to this group "

>

> " I find you to be a satan "

>

> " . . . must be twisted, diluted "

> (I shared this curse with someone else, who has since dropped

> off this list.)

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>

> Ok, Ira, I will explain;

>

> You are presumably a very intelligent individual who has all the capacity

to

> come back to this group with various useful replies, but makes notes that

> lack the common sense reasoning that is expected from a person of your

> caliber. The word gestation, which I would have expected you to

> look up, would imply as to your brain's capacity to come to a conclusion.

>

> 2. The conception and development of a plan or an idea in the mind.

>

> Excerpted from The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language,

> Third Edition Copyright © 1992 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Electronic

> version licensed from Lernout & Hauspie Speech Products N.V., further

> reproduction and distribution restricted in accordance with the Copyright

> Law of the United States. All rights reserved.

>

> But it would appear that instead of doing this you much prefer vanity as

> your standard argumentive attitude (this gentleman) rather than

considering

> the main body of the message that I sent in reply, and by which I tried to

> accept the error of my poetic attempt. This just proves your real intent

is

> to be purely argumentive and as regards your unabridged dictionary it is

> apparently of a sort that doesn't carry all explanations for a word's use

in

> syntax.

>

> So, now we know the true gestation, don't we? It would appear that instead

> of dealing with things forthright you would much prefer finding a means by

> which to argue just for argument's sake. As an example, just your reply

> regarding the eating of raw vegetables and going on about potatoes. The

fact

> that you knew what would or would not happen with their consumption with

out

> being cooked showed your knowledge, but you did this, not in a way to

help,

> only to show

> your own vanity.

>

> When you came to this group it was somewhat questionable as to just what

was

> your intent, there was an appearance of a sincere desire to learn. I

wasn't

> writing a whole lot at that time but was watching what was being said by

you

> in reply to many of those who had attempted to show you kindness, even in

> their ignorance, about the processes of the liver and gallbladder. You

would

> simply seek to shoot them down instead of seeking to find genteel words to

> correct them in their misunderstanding of things. You have demonstrated

your

> ability to find conflicting information to something's but never tended to

> follow through with follow-up information of which was requested from you.

> For examples see the information regarding aspartame and amalgams in the

> archives. You know, I'm still waiting for that address I asked you to give

> to the group so that others would know what website it was from which you

> got that aspartame information, even though I personally know its

locations

> because it was an agenda oriented site of the soft drink industry. I just

> wanted to see if you would show enough conviction in your belief to

provide

> it so others could make their own decision based on more substantive

> information regarding the use of that poison.

>

> I stated before that you are like wormwood and it still applies today. You

> could prove to be a benefit to the group but instead you seek the

agitative,

> bitter, and vain course of a satan. Then when someone makes a statement

> about your

> attitude you really make a stink and start crying out for someone else to

do

> something as if it is liable. I would suggest you really look up the legal

> definition of the word and its use in law before writhing to someone

making

> intimidating remarks. Oh, and that is another thing, writing to someone of

> this group to their personal address is certainly indicative of just one

> other part of your dispositive nature, it is rude, and is lacking in

proper

> netiquette for this group, or any other group for that matter, without the

> person giving you

> permission to do so.

>

> So, instead of vainly seeking to belittle me, or anyone else, for the use

of

> syntax and be

> scrappy, I think you would have done much better by replying with a thanks

> or no thanks to the main body of the message from which you sniped your

> ignominious request.

>

> Now as regards some other issues regarding your being called names and in

> particular by me. I called you a satan and wormwood, someone else has the

> twisted part, but it appears that you don't have an understanding of just

> what the words I wrote really mean. I'm just a bit curious as to how much

> you understand regarding the meaning of the use of those words. So, do you

> even know what the word satan means? Do you understand what wormwood is

and

> why you might be referred to as being like wormwood?

>

> The word satan means resister. In Hebrew textual understanding of the name

> this would be someone resisting a purpose of men (1Sa 29:4; 2Sa 19:21, 22;

> 1Ki 5:4; 11:14, 23, 25). In this case the purpose of this group is for

> education but you have turned it in to your own field of mental parlay.

You

> belittle the people that have tried to help you and therefore are like a

> satan to this group's purpose.

>

> Wormwood is a compliment, but you really missed the point here in that

> wormwood, although bitter, is also very helpful for good health. You just

> have a problem in dealing with people on a level that would endear them to

> you. You are, as the saying goes, too smart for your own good and tend to

> demand from others what you will not provide yourself. It may behoove you

> to reconsider just what it is you're writing to the people on this group

and

> try to see what you are really saying.

>

> There is a saying that goes " I know you think you understand the words you

> heard me say, however, the words you heard me speak were not necessarily

> what I meant " .

>

> Dale

>

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