Re: Unearthing Prehistoric Tumors, and Debate

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No subscription was needed. Thank you for posting this, it was very

interesting.

Bright Blessings,

Garth & Kim

On 12/28/2010 10:45 AM, Dr. Loretta Lanphier wrote:

>

> Someone mentioned Dr. Mercola's article/site about forensic examination of

> 300 Egyptian mummies and the fact that only 1 showed evidence of cancer.

> Below is a NY Times article about the entire subject. Thought some might

> like to read the entire article. I'm not sure if a subscription is

> required.

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> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/28/health/28cancer.html?pagewanted=1 & _r=1

>

> Be Well

> Dr.L

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Yes, the article was interesting. Many moons ago I read a piece about

Egyptian diets being heavily carbohydrate oriented but I have no idea if

that is valid. We have also read that the longer people live the more

incidence of cancer surfaces. W know that Prostate Cancer is very often

found upon autopsy of elderly men and that the men died of other causes.

If the theory of some, that Cancer is an 'End Stage' pathology is valid,

and not just a disease that strikes because of some one cause then a lot of

thinking needs to be changed. It probably doesn't matter because we still

need to deal with it. In fact, isn't that what really matters? Dealing

with it? Most of us on this list are beyond preventing cancer, most of us

have either had or have current cancer activity. I use " had " loosely

because we cannot be sure we still do not have it though many prefer to say

they are cured if it cannot be detected for X number of years. By " End

Stage Pathology " is mean that Cancer is the last stage of a continuing

progression starting with irritation followed by inflammation, then

Induration (hardening) and eventually described as cancer. Perhaps we

should say Cancer is the 'next to last stage'. End stage sounds reasonable

because the other stages do not kill and cancer does.

Joe C.

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I think you hit it on the head, Joe: cancer probably needs many factors to

manifest: poor diet leading to vitamin deficiency, exposure to carcinogens,

perhaps, and probably long-term stress.

 

The Egyptians diet, by the way, was very heavy in beer--which has been known

throughout history as " liquid bread. " It was a safe way to consume calories as

water throughout history has often been " bad " due to poor sanitation. And beer

can " travel; " even decent water goes bad on an ocean voyage (i.e. the Pilgrims,

for which beer also was a staple). I don't know what " grain carbohydrates " do to

the immune system, but ancient beer was strong in B vitamins--perhaps from the

yeast?

 

People who claim that modern stress is the sole cause of cancer should crack the

history books. For most of recorded history, half the population didn't make it

to the age of five because of disease or starvation. Women dying in

childbirth--an epidemic due to hygienic neglect and complications (walk around a

colonial graveyard--it's heartbreaking). Starvation was always on the horizon

due to primitive farming methods and natural calamities (as in Africa today).

People were often living in fear of invasion from marauders--Romans, Vikings,

Mongols--the list is endless. And slavery was endemic--people of all

races--since the Sumerians. These are all very stressful situations. But the

records we have do not hold  that people broke out in tumors. Perhaps they did

not live long enough.

 

The modern world is stressful--my ex-wife and I did the corporate thing: long

hours, long commutes, while raising a young family. But the modern world has not

cornered the market on stress.

 

And the germ theory? Hundreds of thousands--some historians say millions--of

Native Americans died due to exposure to smallpox and other disease brought by

European colonists. They had no natural immunity. I don't think there's one

simple answer.

From: JoeCastron <jcastron1@...>

Subject: Re: [ ] Unearthing Prehistoric Tumors, and Debate

Date: Tuesday, December 28, 2010, 12:52 PM

Yes, the article was interesting.   Many moons ago I read a piece about

Egyptian diets being heavily carbohydrate oriented but I have no idea if

that is valid.   We have also read that the longer people live the more

incidence of cancer surfaces.  W know that Prostate Cancer is very often

found upon autopsy of elderly men and that the men died of other causes.

If the theory of some, that Cancer is an 'End Stage' pathology  is valid,

and not just a disease that strikes because of some one cause then a lot of

thinking needs to be changed.  It probably doesn't matter because we still

need to deal with it.  In fact, isn't that what really matters?   Dealing

with it?  Most of us on this list are beyond preventing cancer, most of us

have either had or have current cancer activity.  I use " had " loosely

because we cannot be sure we still do not  have it though many prefer to say

they are cured if it cannot be detected for X number of years.    By " End

Stage Pathology " is mean that Cancer is the last stage of a continuing

progression starting with irritation followed by inflammation, then

Induration (hardening) and eventually described as cancer.  Perhaps we

should say Cancer is the 'next to last stage'.  End stage sounds reasonable

because the other stages do not kill and cancer does.

Joe C.

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Well, I would take the time to define what exactly a " poor diet " really

is. Because we all know people who eat horribly, drink, smoke, don't

exercise, are overweight, etc, and don't get cancer.

My breast cancer friends are in their 20s and 30s. Cancer is hitting

people at much younger ages than previously. I think that, partially,

this is because of the hormones in our foods, etc. So, even if someone

is eating a healthy diet, they might not be able to avoid what spurs the

cancer to grow.

I think someone needs to be predisposed to cancer, be it through genetic

markers, etc. There has to be something wrong inside the body that

makes it not recognize, or appropriately deal with, the cells that have

gone wrong.

Cancer is a process.

If your body is not wired correctly, healthy diet might not do anything

at all.

ar

>

> ...cancer probably needs many factors to manifest: poor diet leading

to vitamin deficiency, exposure to carcinogens, perhaps, and probably

long-term stress.