Re: garlic use with gall bladder trouble

[Guest guest]

Hi,I have had several attacks lately and my tough work schedule has

prevented my being able to try another flush,I was wondering if

anyone has had trouble with garlic and if the amount eaten would

aggrivate my condition,also is it best cooked or raw

Hi, Jim,

I can tell you how I manage. I know you're probably busy as most of us are.

Watch what you eat during the day, as in don't eat any fried foods at all.

Try to eat more raw veggies, even snacking on them and especially with your

cooked foods like salads.

Next, garlic is so important for anyone, and especially for people with

gallbladder/liver problems. Keep in mind that raw, fresh-pressed garlic is

the best. Pressing the garlic releases a substance in it that lowers your

blood pressure and does lots of things. It's important that you pressed it,

with a garlic hand-presser or with a spoon. When I'm having salads, I press

the fresh garlic on my salads, or I make a salad dressing that has the fresh

garlic in it. If you have carrot/celery juice fresh, juice a few cloves of

garlic along with it. I'll give you a link at Dr. Mercola's about garlic.

There is more reason than one to sing its praises, believe me!

Susie

http://www.mercola.com/2000/aug/27/garlic_tick_repellent.htm

http://www.mercola.com/2001/mar/17/garlic_infections.htm

http://www.mercola.com/2001/nov/28/garlic.htm

http://www.mercola.com/2000/oct/29/garlic_cancer.htm

http://www.mercola.com/1997/oct/20/garlic.htm

BTW, Jim, he has more about garlic, just type in garlic at the search part.

It is a natural antibiotic with no side effects. I say never go without the

fresh stuff. I do think one should put it in something because eaten pressed

and raw, it can irritate the stomach lining. So it's just a matter of either

eating along with it, or putting it into your foods. The substance that's

extremely important is allicin. Also, don't buy the already pressed/chopped

stuff in a jar at the grocery. After 3 weeks or so, it can form botulism.

You want it fresh pressed that you do yourself. It's not difficult at all.

Susie

[Guest guest]

> Is lowering the blood pressure a side effect? Or is that the desired

> effect?

>

>

Ira,

Check out the links that I sent to Jim.

Susie

[Guest guest]

At or about 05:34, 20/08/02 (my clock), Tishri7@... made the

following statement:

>Pressing the garlic releases a substance in it that lowers your

>blood pressure and does lots of things.

That's a good side-benefit for those of us with high blood pressure. But

what about people who already have low blood pressure? Would it be

advisable for them to press the garlic?

She continued:

>BTW, Jim, he has more about garlic, just type in garlic at the search

>part.

>It is a natural antibiotic with no side effects.

Is lowering the blood pressure a side effect? Or is that the desired

effect?

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IRA L. JACOBSON

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Hi Ira,

One of the most basic concepts of natural methods is that they normalize

functions in either direction.

Vince

>From: " Ira L. son " <laser@...>

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>Subject: Re: garlic use with gall bladder trouble

>Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 17:01:10 +0300

>

>At or about 05:34, 20/08/02 (my clock), Tishri7@... made the

>following statement:

>

> >Pressing the garlic releases a substance in it that lowers your

> >blood pressure and does lots of things.

>

>That's a good side-benefit for those of us with high blood pressure. But

>what about people who already have low blood pressure? Would it be

>advisable for them to press the garlic?

>

>She continued:

>

> >BTW, Jim, he has more about garlic, just type in garlic at the search

> >part.

> >It is a natural antibiotic with no side effects.

>

>Is lowering the blood pressure a side effect? Or is that the desired

>effect?

>

>---------------------------

>IRA L. JACOBSON

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> In other words, they reduce high blood pressure and increase low blood

> pressure?

>

> That sounds like a fine all-purpose cure.

>

>

Hello, Ira,

I haven't much time, but about 2 to 3 months ago I was watching TV and they

have a doctor come on talking about certain things on the news. Anyway, he

was talking about the benefits of garlic and how it thins your blood just

like aspirin, which helps with heart attacks and strokes.

He had the gall to say this, and I'm still laughing about it. He said, " But

if you have to have emergency surgery, then the garlic that you've been

taking has thinned your blood before surgery, so your blood may be too thin. "

Well, think about the reasoning here. It does the same thing as aspirin does

and tons of doctors have their patients taking aspirin ever day to thin their

blood for heart problems, or as protection against heart problems & strokes.

It would seem to me that they have the same problem as those eating garlic

to thin the blood. If they had to have emergency surgery, then they have the

same exact problems. Of course, garlic doesn't have the side effects as

taking aspirin can have.

Susie

[Guest guest]

At or about 21:29, 20/08/02 (my clock), V. Richter made the following

statement:

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>Hi Ira,

>One of the most basic concepts of natural methods is that they normalize

>

>functions in either direction.

>Vince

In other words, they reduce high blood pressure and increase low blood

pressure?

That sounds like a fine all-purpose cure.

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IRA L. JACOBSON

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[Guest guest]

Ira,

The word cure is often missapplied when talking about nutritious

foods and what they do and how they help you to be healthy. I would

not use the word cure when I talk about the benefits of garlic.

Most often no single food can cure anything, but a combination of

good foods can work wonders. Garlic, as the website reference

stated, can lower blood pressure [that is already high], lower

cholesterol [that is already high], etc. The words in brackets [] I

added which are understood by the vast majority of people reading

these words. Nowhere do I know of a reference that garlic lowers

blood pressure too low, or lowers cholesterol too low, etc. The

general rule is that good foods in the proper balence cause the body

to become balenced. When the body becomes balenced it self corrects

it's problems no matter which direction is needed for the

correcting. Our great creator put this capability into our bodies.

Our job is to keep out the poisinous junk which causes disease and

hinders our own healing, and injest the good nutrition that our

bodies were designed to thrive on. Eating fresh raw garlic is a

great way to help toward this goal.

Vince

> At or about 21:29, 20/08/02 (my clock), V. Richter made the

following

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> >Hi Ira,

> >One of the most basic concepts of natural methods is that they

normalize

> >

> >functions in either direction.

> >Vince

>

> In other words, they reduce high blood pressure and increase low

blood

> pressure?

>

> That sounds like a fine all-purpose cure.

>

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> IRA L. JACOBSON

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[Guest guest]

There are different " strengths " to blood thinning. It could be that garlic

thins the blood quite a lot and aspirin only minimally. My Grandmother took

Cumudin a prescription drug that kept her from getting blood clots and strokes

AND she was supposed to take a baby aspirin once daily. I think the DR. may

not have made himself clear enough. One aspirin daily is not going to affect a

major surgery. However it could be that when people get carried away with

taking " supplements " there are those that might take way too much of the

garlic and it could create major problems and they could bleed to death just

as they could if they were taking 8 aspirins daily.

regards, Becky

http://www.myshelties.com

On Wed, 21 Aug 2002 17:23:01 EDT Tishri7@... wrote:

> > In other words, they reduce high blood

> pressure and increase low blood

> > pressure?

> >

> > That sounds like a fine all-purpose cure.

> >

> >

>

> Hello, Ira,

> I haven't much time, but about 2 to 3 months

> ago I was watching TV and they

> have a doctor come on talking about certain

> things on the news.  Anyway, he

> was talking about the benefits of garlic and

> how it thins your blood just

> like aspirin, which helps with heart attacks

> and strokes.

>

> He had the gall to say this, and I'm still

> laughing about it.  He said, " But

> if you have to have emergency surgery, then the

> garlic that you've been

> taking has thinned your blood before surgery,

> so your blood may be too thin. "

>

> Well, think about the reasoning here.  It

> does the same thing as aspirin does

> and tons of doctors have their patients taking

> aspirin ever day to thin their

> blood for heart problems, or as protection

> against heart problems & strokes. 

> It would seem to me that they have the same

> problem as those eating garlic

> to thin the blood.  If they had to have

> emergency surgery, then they have the

> same exact problems.  Of course, garlic

> doesn't have the side effects as

> taking aspirin can have.

>

> Susie

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Let's talk about gall

bladder flushing, of which good foods like garlic play a part, ok?

Vince,

Thanks for the post. I decided not to answer any more of Ira's questions

about garlic. There is plenty of info out there to research it, and the best

thing is using garlic personally.

Oh, Dr. Cabot spends lots of time discussing garlic, and it's good for your

GB/liver. It's a natural antibiotic, a cleaner, gets rid of yeast, etc. One

of the GB cleanses that she has in her book, you can press a little garlic

into your olive oil/citrus mixture, along with a little ginger. I've used a

little fresh ginger root pressed into my mixture before, and it cuts nausea.

Susie

[Guest guest]

Please excuse the intrusion, do you have proper medical training to

state that opinion. An a aspirin a day can drastically change ones

clotting time. I have seen many patients have a procedure rescheduled

because they forgot to mention they were taking aspirin and there

clooting time was of the scale. Especially important when having

procedures involving arterial access.IMHO ask your Doc.

Norm S

- In gallstones@y..., <sheltiesrus@m...> wrote:

> There are different " strengths " to blood thinning. It could be that

garlic

> thins the blood quite a lot and aspirin only minimally. My

Grandmother took

> Cumudin a prescription drug that kept her from getting blood clots

and strokes

> AND she was supposed to take a baby aspirin once daily. I think the

DR. may

> not have made himself clear enough. One aspirin daily is not going

to affect a

> major surgery. However it could be that when people get carried

away with

> taking " supplements " there are those that might take way too much

of the

> garlic and it could create major problems and they could bleed to

death just

> as they could if they were taking 8 aspirins daily.

>

> regards, Becky

> http://www.myshelties.com

>

>

> On Wed, 21 Aug 2002 17:23:01 EDT Tishri7@a... wrote:

>

> > > In other words, they reduce high blood

> > pressure and increase low blood

> > > pressure?

> > >

> > > That sounds like a fine all-purpose cure.

> > >

> > >

> >

> > Hello, Ira,

> > I haven't much time, but about 2 to 3 months

> > ago I was watching TV and they

> > have a doctor come on talking about certain

> > things on the news.  Anyway, he

> > was talking about the benefits of garlic and

> > how it thins your blood just

> > like aspirin, which helps with heart attacks

> > and strokes.

> >

> > He had the gall to say this, and I'm still

> > laughing about it.  He said, " But

> > if you have to have emergency surgery, then the

> > garlic that you've been

> > taking has thinned your blood before surgery,

> > so your blood may be too thin. "

> >

> > Well, think about the reasoning here.  It

> > does the same thing as aspirin does

> > and tons of doctors have their patients taking

> > aspirin ever day to thin their

> > blood for heart problems, or as protection

> > against heart problems & strokes. 

> > It would seem to me that they have the same

> > problem as those eating garlic

> > to thin the blood.  If they had to have

> > emergency surgery, then they have the

> > same exact problems.  Of course, garlic

> > doesn't have the side effects as

> > taking aspirin can have.

> >

> > Susie

> >

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi Norm,

I think the point is not whether Susie has or doesn't have medical training.

She was just observing an example of the double standard the medical

community often displays toward a drug versus a good food. When garlic

thins blood they say be careful and don't use it to enhance your health.

When asperin thins your blood (and makes the big companies big bucks) they

say take one a day because it's such a good thing. Garlic is a good thing

too, wheres the credit for that?

This doesn't need to become a big discussion about things other than gall

bladder flushing, which is the purpose of this list. Let's talk about gall

bladder flushing, of which good foods like garlic play a part, ok?

Vince

Moderator

>From: " xrnorm " <xrnorm@...>

>Reply-gallstones

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>Subject: Re: garlic use with gall bladder trouble

>Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 11:54:04 -0000

>

>Please excuse the intrusion, do you have proper medical training to

>state that opinion. An a aspirin a day can drastically change ones

>clotting time. I have seen many patients have a procedure rescheduled

>because they forgot to mention they were taking aspirin and there

>clooting time was of the scale. Especially important when having

>procedures involving arterial access.IMHO ask your Doc.

>Norm S

>- In gallstones@y..., <sheltiesrus@m...> wrote:

> > There are different " strengths " to blood thinning. It could be that

>garlic

> > thins the blood quite a lot and aspirin only minimally. My

>Grandmother took

> > Cumudin a prescription drug that kept her from getting blood clots

>and strokes

> > AND she was supposed to take a baby aspirin once daily. I think the

>DR. may

> > not have made himself clear enough. One aspirin daily is not going

>to affect a

> > major surgery. However it could be that when people get carried

>away with

> > taking " supplements " there are those that might take way too much

>of the

> > garlic and it could create major problems and they could bleed to

>death just

> > as they could if they were taking 8 aspirins daily.

> >

> > regards, Becky

> > http://www.myshelties.com

> >

> >

> > On Wed, 21 Aug 2002 17:23:01 EDT Tishri7@a... wrote:

> >

> > > > In other words, they reduce high blood

> > > pressure and increase low blood

> > > > pressure?

> > > >

> > > > That sounds like a fine all-purpose cure.

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > Hello, Ira,

> > > I haven't much time, but about 2 to 3 months

> > > ago I was watching TV and they

> > > have a doctor come on talking about certain

> > > things on the news.  Anyway, he

> > > was talking about the benefits of garlic and

> > > how it thins your blood just

> > > like aspirin, which helps with heart attacks

> > > and strokes.

> > >

> > > He had the gall to say this, and I'm still

> > > laughing about it.  He said, " But

> > > if you have to have emergency surgery, then the

> > > garlic that you've been

> > > taking has thinned your blood before surgery,

> > > so your blood may be too thin. "

> > >

> > > Well, think about the reasoning here.  It

> > > does the same thing as aspirin does

> > > and tons of doctors have their patients taking

> > > aspirin ever day to thin their

> > > blood for heart problems, or as protection

> > > against heart problems & strokes. 

> > > It would seem to me that they have the same

> > > problem as those eating garlic

> > > to thin the blood.  If they had to have

> > > emergency surgery, then they have the

> > > same exact problems.  Of course, garlic

> > > doesn't have the side effects as

> > > taking aspirin can have.

> > >

> > > Susie

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[Guest guest]

Well let's see. Mother = RN (Registered Nurse). Mother is the one that gave

the information so YES I'd say there is some medical training here for this

information. Rescheduling surgery is one thing, I believe the discussion was

about possible emergency surguries of which gallbladder surgery is often an

emergency!

Becky

On Fri, 23 Aug 2002 11:54:04 -0000 xrnorm <xrnorm@...> wrote:

> Please excuse the intrusion, do you have proper

> medical training to

> state that opinion. An a aspirin a day can

> drastically change ones

> clotting time. I have seen many patients have a

> procedure rescheduled

> because they forgot to mention they were taking

> aspirin and there

> clooting time was of the scale. Especially

> important when having

> procedures involving arterial access.IMHO ask

> your Doc.

> Norm S

> - In gallstones@y..., <sheltiesrus@m...>

> wrote:

> > There are different " strengths "

> to blood thinning. It could be that

> garlic

> > thins the blood quite a lot and aspirin

> only minimally. My

> Grandmother took

> > Cumudin a prescription drug that kept her

> from getting blood clots

> and strokes

> > AND she was supposed to take a baby

> aspirin once daily. I think the

> DR. may

> > not have made himself clear enough. One

> aspirin daily is not going

> to affect a

> > major surgery. However it could be that

> when people get carried

> away with

> > taking " supplements " there are

> those that might take way too much

> of the

> > garlic and it could create major problems

> and they could bleed to

> death just

> > as they could if they were taking 8

> aspirins daily.

> >

> > regards, Becky

> > <a

> href= " http://www.myshelties.com " >http://www.myshelties.com</a>

> >

> >

> > On Wed, 21 Aug 2002 17:23:01 EDT

> Tishri7@a... wrote:

> >

> > > > In other words, they reduce high

> blood

> > > pressure and increase low blood

> > > > pressure?

> > > >

> > > > That sounds like a fine

> all-purpose cure.

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > Hello, Ira,

> > > I haven't much time, but about 2 to 3

> months

> > > ago I was watching TV and they

> > > have a doctor come on talking about

> certain

> > > things on the news.  Anyway, he

> > > was talking about the benefits of

> garlic and

> > > how it thins your blood just

> > > like aspirin, which helps with heart

> attacks

> > > and strokes.

> > >

> > > He had the gall to say this, and I'm

> still

> > > laughing about it.  He said,

> " But

> > > if you have to have emergency

> surgery, then the

> > > garlic that you've been

> > > taking has thinned your blood before

> surgery,

> > > so your blood may be too thin. "

> > >

> > > Well, think about the reasoning

> here.  It

> > > does the same thing as aspirin does

> > > and tons of doctors have their

> patients taking

> > > aspirin ever day to thin their

> > > blood for heart problems, or as

> protection

> > > against heart problems &

> strokes. 

> > >  It would seem to me that they

> have the same

> > > problem as those eating garlic

> > > to thin the blood.  If they had to

> have

> > > emergency surgery, then they have the

>

> > > same exact problems.  Of course,

> garlic

> > > doesn't have the side effects as

> > > taking aspirin can have.

> > >

> > > Susie

> > >

> > >

> > > [Non-text portions of this message

> have been

> > > removed]

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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> > >

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