saying hello

[Guest guest]

Indeed, Greed is a human failing and falling, not the failing and falling of

allopaths.

Mike T.

As I've written before--pharma companies are more than frightening in their

greed. But the obverse also can be true: alternative practitioners are also

subject to the human condition.......

[Guest guest]

IT'S IN 1 AND POSSIBLY 2 LYMPH NODES AND I AM NO LONGER SURE IF IT'S SHRINKING

OR NOT. IT CHANGES BOTH WAYS I'D SAY AND THIS MORNING IT DOES SEEM TO BE

SOMEWHAT SMALLER & FLATTER THOUGH ABOUT THE SAME LENGTH AND WIDTH.

WILL DO THE ARONIA AND SOUP AND OTHER HERBS FOR ABOUT 3 MORE DAYS AND THEN STOP

PRIOR TO SURGERY THE THINGS THAT MAY EFFECT CLOTTING TIMES.

MIKE

Hello, Mike,

Since your methods may have caused the lump to change (and possibly start

shrinking) does that encourage you to continue with natural methods before

submitting to the chemo and radiation?

Also, have they determined exactly how the lump is being encased - is it in your

lymph nodes, or in the skin, or where?

[Guest guest]

Hello Finola and

welcome to our forum where I hope you get the support and help you need.

From the start, can

I just add that messages on forums are easier to read if they are split into paragraphs

with a space between each paragraph. Messages such as the one posted here look

quite terrifying and are difficiult to go through without gaps. However, I will

try and respond to what you have written.

Reading through your story, I do believe there

is some other associated condition going on with your hypothyroidism that has

not yet been identified and therefore, not addressed. You should read through

the following and check each of the paragraphs carefully to make absolutely

sure 100% that you are not suffering with one, or more these. Start at the top

of the list and go through them one by one.

1. You may be suffering

with low adrenal reserve. The production of T4, its conversion to T3, and the

receptor uptake requires a normal amount of adrenal hormones, notably, of

course, cortisone. (Excess cortisone can shut production down, however.) This

is what happens if the adrenals are not responding properly, and provision of

cortisone usually switches it on again. But sometimes it

doesn’t. If the illness has been going on for a long time, the

enzyme seems to fail. This conversion failure (inexplicably denied by

many endocrinologists) means the thyroxine builds up, unconverted. So it

doesn’t work, and T4 toxicosis results. This makes the patient feel quite

unwell, toxic, often with palpitations and chest pain. If provision of adrenal

support doesn’t remedy the situation, the final solution is the use of

the active thyroid hormone, already converted, T3 - either synthetic or

natural. We need to know whether you have done the 24 hour salivary adrenal

profile and what the results were, and if you have started some form of adrenal

therapy, exactly what treatment plan you are following. We can give you more

answers re testing, temperature charts, BP, what supplements are required and

where to purchase them with discounts for TPA members. Until low adrenal

reserve is treated, no amount of thyroid hormone can be utilised at the

cellular level, and this is the same for all the other conditions that follow.

2. Systemic candidiasis:

This is where candida albicans, yeast, which causes skin infections almost

anywhere in the body, invades the lining of the lower part of the small

intestine and the large intestine. Here, the candida sets up residence in

the warmth and the dark, and demands to be fed. Loving sugars and

starches, candida can make you suffer terrible sweet cravings. Candida

can produce toxins which can cause very many symptoms of exhaustion, headache,

general illness, and which interfere with the uptake of thyroid and adrenal

treatment. Sometimes the levels - which we usually test for - can be very

high, and make successful treatment difficult to achieve until adequately

treated.

3. Receptor resistance:

Being hypothyroid for some considerable time may mean the biochemical

mechanisms which permit the binding of T3 to the receptors, is downgraded - so

the T3 won’t go in. With slow build up of T3, with full adrenal

support and adequate vitamins and minerals, the receptors do come on line

again. But this can be quite a slow process, and care has to be taken to

build the dose up gradually.

4. Food allergies: The

most common food allergy is allergy to gluten, the protein fraction of wheat.

The antibody generated by the body, by a process of molecular mimicry, cross

reacts with the thyroperoxidase enzyme, (which makes thyroxine) and shuts it

down. So allergy to bread can make you hypothyroid. There may be other

food allergies with this kind of effect, but information on these is

scanty. Certainly allergic response to certain foods can affect adrenal

function and imperil thyroid production and uptake.

5. Hormone imbalances: The whole of the endocrine

system is linked; each part of it needs the other parts to be operating

normally to work properly. An example of this we have seen already, with

cortisone. But another example is the operation of sex hormones.

The imbalance that occurs at the menopause with progesterone running down, and

a relative dominance of oestrogen is a further case in point – oestrogen

dominance downgrades production, transportation and uptake of thyroid hormones.

This is why hypothyroidism may first appear at the menopause; the symptoms

ascribed to this alone, which is then treated – often with extra

oestrogen, making the whole thing worse. Deficiency in progesterone most

especially needs to be dealt with, since it reverses oestrogen dominance,

improves many menopausal symptoms like sweats and mood swings, and reverses

osteoporosis. Happily natural progesterone cream is easily obtained: when

used it has the added benefit of helping to stabilise adrenal function.

6. Mercury poisoning:

Mercury poisoning can occur through amalgam fillings. If it is at all possible,

these should be removed.

7. Low Nutrients: Low

levels of iron, transferring saturation%, ferritin, vitamin B12, vitamin D3,

magnesium, folate, copper and zinc - all of which, if low, stop the thyroid

hormone from being utilised by the cells - low levels must be treated before

thyroid hormone is able to get into the cells. Ask your GP to test these levels

of specific vitamins and minerals. If s/he is unaware of any association

between these low levels and low thyroid, copy out the list of the references

below this message to just some of the research/studies that show these to

him/her.

All these problems

have to be dealt with; and since each may affect the other, it all has to be

done rather carefully. ONLY when these have been dealt with can the thyroid hormone

be properly utilised at the cellular level, and you will then start to get back

your optimal health.

Ask as many questions

as you wish and somebody will be along to help find the answer, but meanwhile,

do look at the masses of information we have in our FILES SECTION of this

forum. Go to the Home Page thyroid treatment

and click on FILES in the Menu.

Good luck Finola and

once you have the results of your blood tests back, let us know what they are,

together with the reference range for each test done and we can help with their

interpretation. Never allow a doctor to tell you that your results are

" normal2 simply because they are within the reference range. We need to

know whether they are at the top, the middle or the bottom of the range, or

even outside of the range. Also, can you let us know what your last thyroid

function tests results were with the ref. range and whether you were tested to

see if you have antibodies to your thyroid. these are called TPO and TgAb..

Luv - Sheila

REFERENCES: Low

iron/ferritin:

Iron deficiency is shown to significantly reduce T4 to T3 conversion, increase

reverse T3 levels, and block the thermogenic (metabolism boosting) properties

of thyroid hormone (1-4). Thus, iron deficiency, as indicated by an iron

saturation below 25 or a ferritin below 70, will result in diminished

intracellular T3 levels. Additionally, T4 should not be considered adequate

thyroid replacement if iron deficiency is present (1-4)).

1.

Dillman E, Gale C, Green W, et al. Hypothermia in iron

deficiency due to altered triiodithyroidine metabolism. Regulatory, Integrative

and Comparative Physiology 1980;239(5):377-R381.

2.

SM, PE, Lukaski HC. In vitro hepatic

thyroid hormone deiodination in iron-deficient rats: effect of dietary fat.

Life Sci 1993;53(8):603-9.

3.

Zimmermann MB, Köhrle J. The Impact of Iron and Selenium

Deficiencies on Iodine and Thyroid Metabolism: Biochemistry and Relevance to

Public Health. Thyroid 2002;12(10): 867-78.

4.

Beard J, tobin B, Green W. Evidence for Thyroid Hormone

Deficiency in Iron-Deficient Anemic Rats. J. Nutr. 1989;119:772-778.

Low vitamin B12: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18655403

Low vitamin D3: http://www.eje-online.org/cgi/content/abstract/113/3/329

and http://www.goodhormonehealth.com/VitaminD.pdf

Low magnesium: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC292768/pdf/jcinvest00264-0105.pdf

Low folate: http://www.clinchem.org/cgi/content/full/47/9/1738

and http://www.liebertonline.com/doi/abs/10.1089/thy.1999.9.1163

Low  copper http://www.ithyroid.com/copper.htm

http://www.drlwilson.com/articles/copper_toxicity_syndrome.htm

http://www.ithyroid.com/copper.htm

http://www.rjpbcs.com/pdf/2011_2(2)/68.pdf

http://ajplegacy.physiology.org/content/171/3/652.extract

Low zinc:http://www.istanbul.edu.tr/ffdbiyo/current4/07%20Iham%20AM%C4%B0R.pdf

and http://articles.webraydian.com/article1648-Role_of_Zinc_and_Copper_in_Effective_Thyroid_Function.html

Ferritin levels for women need to be between 90

and 130 for women

Vitamin B12 needs to be at the top of the

range.

D3 levels need to be about 50.

Magnesium levels need to be at the top of the

range..

I am looking for a little help with the T3 (I have ordered 's book

but won't have it for another week). Dr P told me to cut the Armour to 1.5

grains and taking initially 10mcg T3 and over the next couple of weeks to raise

the T3 to 20mcg and lower the armour. Now I realise that this is going to be a

'suck it and see' exercise and I'm fine with that, but I am feeling a little

woosy with the T3. I started taking it yesterday so initially I had 1 grain of

armour and then 10mcg T3. I didn't take any more armour yesterday as I ws

feeling a bit jittery and hot. Today I have taken just the 10mcg T3 and no

armour yet and I feel woosy and hottish. I need to add that for years now I

have hardly sweated or felt hungry so the hot feeling may be actually normal

and I tend not to eat much in the morning, as I don't feel hungry. Anyway,

sorry for blathering on. It has been very useful for me to write this as I can

see my progression to relative wellness pretty clearly and I hope I haven't put

you all to sleep but any suggestions as to a sensible protocol for the T3 and

Armour combination would be very welcome and I am looking for an iron

supplement which works well and a reputable (and cheap) supplier of good vits

and mins. The iron supplement which I found worked best for me was Lennons

irondrops - ferric citrate - it is from South Africa and is a kind of old

fashioned remedy for low iron, and I wondered if anyone else has heard of it

and whether it is obtainable in uk/Europe?

I will stop now.

Thanks for reading

Finola

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Dear Finola

I am so impressed with how you are sorting yourself out, well done you! Yes hypothyroidism causes balance problems I used to veer to the left when walking that is when I could walk.

I am now well and taking T3 only but I must say that Thyroxin then together with Armour Thyroid medication worked for me for a number of years. This TPA Internet site is a Godsend with a lovely caring lady running it. All the very best.

Ina

[Guest guest]

Hi Finola,

For very reasonably priced, good quality vits and mins, I can recomend iHerb

(www.iHerb.com). They are in the US, but their P & P charges are extremely

reasonable, and often cheaper than those shipped from the UK. I used to check

around, but don't bother now, as I haven't, thus far, found a supplier so cheap

and reliable. Cheers,

[Guest guest]

Hi Finola

Welcome to the group. You'll get plenty of help and support here, as well as good advice. Since I joined the group earlier this year I've learnt so much about thyroid/adrenal problems and it's helped me a lot. Even if I'm not always active on the boards I read messages every day and on days when I feel ill I always feel comforted knowing I'm part of this group.

One thing I have learnt is that when it comes to medicating there isn't a "one size fits all" dosage. It seems like it's very much a trial and error, especially when it comes to T3 and NDT. What works for one might not work for someone else - like you said, it's very much a "suck it and see" exercise. For example, a lot of people seem to benefit by taking their Armour or T3 early morning, but I've found it works better for me to take it late morning/early afternoon. This is because I tend to feel more anxious in the mornings, but get better as the day goes on, so I find my body can cope with the T3 better when I'm less anxious.

If you're buying thyroid or adrenal supplements regularly, members here get a 33% discount from Nutri.com. If you look in the "Files" section, under "Discounts on Supplements and Tests" for Nutri Ltd, you can telephone your order, quoting the TPA reference number and it usually arrives the next day!

Gill x

> Hi,> I'm a newcomer to this forum, and I believe its usual to give a little information about one's thyroidal issues .> Im 55 and live in Ireland and have been diagnosed hypothyroidal for about 4 years, but have been in trouble probably for 17 years. Looking back, I put the tiredness and other symptoms down to having small kids, general stressful life changes and getting older. > Finola>

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> Hello Finola and welcome to our forum where I hope you get the support and

> help you need.

>

Hi Sheila,

Thank you for replying so promptly and fully. I am finding it difficult to get

around the site so forgive me if I do things the wrong way.

I will send you details of my new blood tests next week. I am taking

nutri-adrenal and progesterone as well as armour and T3 and feel nearly human

again. I will need some advice with tweaking my medications.

Just a quick reply to thank you.

Regards

Finola

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Dear Ina,

Lovely of you to reply and make me feel so welcome. I am sure we will 'speak'

again and best wishes for christmas and the new year.

Regards

Finola

[Guest guest]

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> Hi Finola,

>

> For very reasonably priced, good quality vits and mins, I can recomend iHerb

(www.iHerb.com).

Hello ,

Thank you for the info on iHerb, I have seen their site but escpecially with US

sites it's often difficult to tell from the look of them whether they are

reputable or not so it's really helpful to get a recommendation and thanks for

taking the time.

Brst wishes for christmas and new year

[Guest guest]

Hi Gill,

Thank you for your comments, I think that what you say is very true,'that we are

all different and one size does not fit all' in fact the problem is that it

doesn't fit anyone properly. I think this approach is the major stumbling block

in getting adequate treatment for thyroidal issues and it also serves to isolate

the sufferer who 'refuses' to be helped. So it is so good to be able to engage

on a forum like this where one can get help and support and information on what

actually works and how and where to get it.

Feeling so alone with my health problems made everything else so much harder to

deal with. Thankyou for replying to my post with information and supportive

comments I do appreciate it.

I will use the discount if I can with Nutri, as I have bought supplements from

them recently and will need some more soon.

Have a lovely christmas

Finola

xx

In thyroid treatment , " Gill " <drakegillian@...> wrote:

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> If you're buying thyroid or adrenal supplements regularly, members here

> get a 33% discount from Nutri.com. If you look in the " Files " section,

> under " Discounts on Supplements and Tests " for Nutri Ltd, you can

> telephone your order, quoting the TPA reference number and it usually

> arrives the next day!

>

> Gill x

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