Complications from Cesium Chloride

February 1, 2009

I had to stop my cesium chloride protocol due to dangerously low

potassium. Normal levels are 3.5 - 5.0. My count was 3.1. I had to

have an EEG due to a CT scan showing some fluid in the pericardium

of the heart(heart sac). My test results showed some slight

regurgitation of the heart value, but it is believed that this is a

normal part of aging. I was told that the cardiologist ruled that

the findings were within the normal range. It was enough to scare

the bigibbies out of me. I will never take Cesium again.

I will begin Sodium Bicarbonate soon and will be working with a

naturopath in Oregon who will order tests for liver and kidney

function as it is important to not have hepatic anemia.

I just got back from Oklahoma earlier this week, where I had a pic

line put in my arm. It was not an easy procedure and a lot more

involved then I ever imagined. It took three hours to get the line

in. But now I will be able to do I.V. high dose Vitamin C, sodium bi-

carbonate and ozone. I will be supervised by a naturopath for the

Vitamin C and bi-carbonate initially and then may do I.V. mistletoe

as well. I am still nervous about putting the ozone directly into my

veins and have only done one treatment. I've got to get used to the

fact that whatever I put in my pic line goes DIRECTLY to the heart.

I am being beyond careful. I am really taking my time getting to

know if this is O.K. to do.

I was going to try to do this all on my own, but there are too many

risk factors and complications which can arise. Naturopaths can

order tests, which are important to determine any abnormatilites in

the body or any interfering levels of the body. I will be more

confident to do this on my own after I have tracked and followed the

procedures for awhile. My experience with Cesium scared the heck out

of me. And I am at a retreat right now where I met a woman who went

into cardiac arrest and died 3x, ending up in intensive care for 10

days. Since this was back in 2001, little was known then about

Cesium and the need for potassium. She took it for only two weeks,

but wasn't getting any potassium. She still has complications from

it and believes her gallbladder had to be removed because of damage

to it.

Something really amazing happened with my mainstream oncologist the

day I returned from Oklahoma last Tuesday. My sisters visited me

several weeks ago. One of my sisters is an R.N. and was in the

doctor's office to receive the news about my recent CT scan two

weeks ago. I mentioned to the doc that I would be travelling to Okie

to get a pic line placed to do I.V. ozone and I.V. sodium

bicarbonate. She mentioned something about " quality of

life, " " unproven methods " and " cardic arrest. " I told her at the

time since she had mentioned that she had mentioned that she wasn't

familiar with ozone and sodium bi-carbonate, then perhaps it would

be difficult to judge it as an " unproven " method. I also stressed

that I believed in integrative method and was tired of the waging

debate between mainstream and alternative healing. As a cancer

survivor, I am simply trying to save my life, and putting my eggs

all in one basket, including her treatment wouldn't give me the

fullest chance of recovery.

Fast forward to last Tuesday when I showed up in the infusion room

to get the new pic line flushed, since the clinic I went to in

Oklahoma failed to include all of my supplies in my suitcase before

departing in an ice storm and three hours late for the airport. I

had to spend the night in the airport as I missed my connecting

flight home. When I got home to Portland the next day, the nurses in

the infusion clinic were great, until someone saw a note from my

oncologist that, " Client intends to self-inject herself with ozone

and sodium bicarbonate. " Everything suddenly came to a screeching

halt in the infusion room. I was told that my oncologist would have

to be contacted about her comments in my chart and since Tuesday was

her day off, I wouldn't hear back until the next day. To make a long

story short, the next day I was told, " Your oncologist said that

since you got this pic line placed in Oklahoma, you should talk to

the people who put it in. We can't help you. " The problem is that

the lines have to be flushed everyday. I fired the oncologist on the

spot. By shear concidence, I got a new oncologist, who is a D.O.

(Doctor of Osteopathy), who has worked closely with the new

naturopath supervising my I.V. alternative therapy. If I had known

about him before hand, I may have even gotten my I.V. for free

instead of the $1,000 price tag + hotel and air fare which came

to $2,000. I was told that he had arranged for a pic line for a

patient of my new naturopath, who was going to have I.V. Vitamin C

therapy.

WHEW!!! This has all been quite the ordeal. I drove 4 1/2 hours last

Friday from Portland to a wonderful raw foods retreat in northern

Washington (90 miles from the Canadian border), which focuses on

Socratic Dialogue and mind/body connection to illness. I will be

returning home tomorrow.

I have high calcium levels and unable to continue taking

Calicum D-glucorate, which helps take estrogen out of the body. I am

on the LDN and that is going well, even though I have unusually dry

and painful nostrils. Not sure if this is related.

Just thought I'd update everyone.

Cheers,

February 1, 2009

Hello dorrnancy,

I've been warning people away from the cesium protocol for over a

year now. I've seen people have a couple of close calls with it and

end up in the emergency room. In addition, I've never seen a cancer

improve with it. I'm starting to believe that the material we have

all read on the internet concerning cesium chloride is disingenuous.

Please be very careful with the sodium bicarbonate. Although it is

used in IVs all the time, it is used in very small amounts. A

mistake with it could be disasterous. If you are doing this as a

result of reading the material put forth by Simoncini, I'd suggest

rethinking that. It is entirely my own opinion that he is not to be

trusted.

If you get the vitamin C IVs, insist on a minimum infusion of 75

grams or more. Fifty grams is not enough. Also try to find a source derived

from tapioca, not

corn. If it is possible include alpha lipoic acid and hyaluronic

acid. A little magnesium would not hurt either. Good luck.

Mike

Sunday, February 1, 2009, 9:30:01 PM, you wrote:

d> I had to stop my cesium chloride protocol due to dangerously low

d> potassium. Normal levels are 3.5 - 5.0. My count was 3.1. I had to

d> have an EEG due to a CT scan showing some fluid in the pericardium

d> of the heart(heart sac). My test results showed some slight

d> regurgitation of the heart value, but it is believed that this is a

d> normal part of aging. I was told that the cardiologist ruled that

d> the findings were within the normal range. It was enough to scare

d> the bigibbies out of me. I will never take Cesium again.

d> I will begin Sodium Bicarbonate soon and will be working with a

d> naturopath in Oregon who will order tests for liver and kidney

d> function as it is important to not have hepatic anemia.

d> I just got back from Oklahoma earlier this week, where I had a pic

d> line put in my arm. It was not an easy procedure and a lot more

d> involved then I ever imagined. It took three hours to get the line

d> in. But now I will be able to do I.V. high dose Vitamin C, sodium bi-

d> carbonate and ozone. I will be supervised by a naturopath for the

d> Vitamin C and bi-carbonate initially and then may do I.V. mistletoe

d> as well. I am still nervous about putting the ozone directly into my

d> veins and have only done one treatment. I've got to get used to the

d> fact that whatever I put in my pic line goes DIRECTLY to the heart.

d> I am being beyond careful. I am really taking my time getting to

d> know if this is O.K. to do.

d> I was going to try to do this all on my own, but there are too many

d> risk factors and complications which can arise. Naturopaths can

d> order tests, which are important to determine any abnormatilites in

d> the body or any interfering levels of the body. I will be more

d> confident to do this on my own after I have tracked and followed the

d> procedures for awhile. My experience with Cesium scared the heck out

d> of me. And I am at a retreat right now where I met a woman who went

d> into cardiac arrest and died 3x, ending up in intensive care for 10

d> days. Since this was back in 2001, little was known then about

d> Cesium and the need for potassium. She took it for only two weeks,

d> but wasn't getting any potassium. She still has complications from

d> it and believes her gallbladder had to be removed because of damage

d> to it.

d> Something really amazing happened with my mainstream oncologist the

d> day I returned from Oklahoma last Tuesday. My sisters visited me

d> several weeks ago. One of my sisters is an R.N. and was in the

d> doctor's office to receive the news about my recent CT scan two

d> weeks ago. I mentioned to the doc that I would be travelling to Okie

d> to get a pic line placed to do I.V. ozone and I.V. sodium

d> bicarbonate. She mentioned something about " quality of

d> life, " " unproven methods " and " cardic arrest. " I told her at the

d> time since she had mentioned that she had mentioned that she wasn't

d> familiar with ozone and sodium bi-carbonate, then perhaps it would

d> be difficult to judge it as an " unproven " method. I also stressed

d> that I believed in integrative method and was tired of the waging

d> debate between mainstream and alternative healing. As a cancer

d> survivor, I am simply trying to save my life, and putting my eggs

d> all in one basket, including her treatment wouldn't give me the

d> fullest chance of recovery.

d> Fast forward to last Tuesday when I showed up in the infusion room

d> to get the new pic line flushed, since the clinic I went to in

d> Oklahoma failed to include all of my supplies in my suitcase before

d> departing in an ice storm and three hours late for the airport. I

d> had to spend the night in the airport as I missed my connecting

d> flight home. When I got home to Portland the next day, the nurses in

d> the infusion clinic were great, until someone saw a note from my

d> oncologist that, " Client intends to self-inject herself with ozone

d> and sodium bicarbonate. " Everything suddenly came to a screeching

d> halt in the infusion room. I was told that my oncologist would have

d> to be contacted about her comments in my chart and since Tuesday was

d> her day off, I wouldn't hear back until the next day. To make a long

d> story short, the next day I was told, " Your oncologist said that

d> since you got this pic line placed in Oklahoma, you should talk to

d> the people who put it in. We can't help you. " The problem is that

d> the lines have to be flushed everyday. I fired the oncologist on the

d> spot. By shear concidence, I got a new oncologist, who is a D.O.

d> (Doctor of Osteopathy), who has worked closely with the new

d> naturopath supervising my I.V. alternative therapy. If I had known

d> about him before hand, I may have even gotten my I.V. for free

d> instead of the $1,000 price tag + hotel and air fare which came

d> to $2,000. I was told that he had arranged for a pic line for a

d> patient of my new naturopath, who was going to have I.V. Vitamin C

d> therapy.

d> WHEW!!! This has all been quite the ordeal. I drove 4 1/2 hours last

d> Friday from Portland to a wonderful raw foods retreat in northern

d> Washington (90 miles from the Canadian border), which focuses on

d> Socratic Dialogue and mind/body connection to illness. I will be

d> returning home tomorrow.

d> I have high calcium levels and unable to continue taking

d> Calicum D-glucorate, which helps take estrogen out of the body. I am

d> on the LDN and that is going well, even though I have unusually dry

d> and painful nostrils. Not sure if this is related.

d> Just thought I'd update everyone.

d> Cheers,

d>

--

Best regards,

Mike mailto:goldenmike@...

February 1, 2009

Mike,

Thank you so much. I am getting weary myself of some of the alternative

therapies out there. Someone " recruited " me off of this website to have an

abdominal cathether put in my abdomen to inject ozone in it. He was pretending

to " know " someone who could do the procedure for $2,000 after sending me to

Mexico to try to get it done. When I agreed to have it done by the chiropractor

he referred me to in Oklahoma, I called the guy and asked him questions about

his training, etc. Turns out he had never done the procedure and I would be the

first. Several days later I got a call from him, informing me there was a

" small " change in plans. Seems he had discovered that 1-2% of patients actually

die from the prodcedure and between 15-20% get infections from the procedure.

But, he was going to show me how to self-inject ozone in my tummy with a needle.

When I showed up at the clinic last week-end, the first thing he told me was the

German doctor had quit using the

procedure. This all in the space of less then 30 days. I think he was a liar,

as the pastor friend who dropped me off at the clinic didn't trust him and got a

bad feeling about him and his motives.

Anyway, as cancer survivors we have to be very careful out here. I am beginning

to get scared with all this stuff. What about the mistletoe?

Are we just guinea pigs for people out there who are playing doctor?

Are you a survivor or practitioner? I certainly appreciate your concerns and

assistance. I don't think I am going to do the sodium bicarbonate. But I will be

supervised by a trained naturopath who is a lead professor at the local

naturopathic college and has her own private practice. She has mentioned 100

grams of Vitamin C.

Maybe alternative therapy isn't as safe as people think.

Thanks, .

d> I had to stop my cesium chloride protocol due to dangerously low

d> potassium....I will never take Cesium again........

d> I will begin Sodium Bicarbonate soon......

February 2, 2009

On Sun, 1 Feb 2009 22:36:05 -0800 (PST), " Dorr "

<dorrnancy@...> said:

> Maybe alternative therapy isn't as safe as people think.

I just wanted to pop in and say that this is a misconception that many

people have about alternative therapies. They are not easy and many are

not safe. Some can be gentle on your system and some can be toxic.

As patients who choose to use alternatives, we need to be far more

educated than the average cancer patient. Those using conventional

treatment pretty much depend on their doctors. But in the alternative

world, we are at the whim of whatever the favorite cancer treatment is

of our alternative doctor. It can be very one-sided and our alternative

docs can be very uneducated in all alternatives. My ND has never heard

of Budwig. So, how can I trust his judgement on other methods?

Always make your decisions about treatments after careful consideration.

Not from fear or desperation.

ar

--

Arlyn Grant

arlynsg@...

February 2, 2009

-- Were you supplementing with potassium when you were taking the cesium?

The company we buy it from always sends an insert saying we MUST supplement with

potassium and magnesium, and that the half life is very long so never to take

too much within a 2 year time span.

I'm glad you got out of that stomach injection thing before you got too far into

it (or it into you!)

Jan

From: dorrnancy <dorrnancy@...>

Subject: [ ] Complications from Cesium Chloride

Date: Sunday, February 1, 2009, 10:30 PM