Re: Should cancer patients eat sugar?

[Guest guest]

I assume the energy healer feels high fructose corn syrup also turns into

glucose, right?

Here is this...

http://www.news-medical.net/news/20100804/Study-shows-link-between-fructose-and-\

pancreatic-cancer-proliferation.aspx

Sandy

Yeah, I thought that would get your attention! LOL Seriously, I'm in a heated

debate with an energy healer I know about this subject. He says that all foods

break down to glucose in the body, so eating sugar makes no difference. He says

he has never found a doctor or researcher who says there is a connection between

eating sugar and cancer. So he wants to me provide him with a peer reviewed

study using real cancer patients. Figured this list was as close to that as I

was gonna get....

[Guest guest]

We consume 10 times more sugar now then we did back a 100 years ago

Now cancer is an epidemic in this country, it's a no brainer that this and

fructose and all the toxins etc , etc , etc

[Guest guest]

Cancer cells metabolize 15 times more sugar than regular cells. Most cancer

victims have sweet tooths! It is necessary to keep energy levels up, eat lots

of good healthy foods. Most cancer victims die from lack of energy!!

Russ

[Guest guest]

I'm no expert, but my understanding is that when we consume highly refined

sugars and carbs it spikes our insulin. The insulin acts as a growth hormone and

that causes the growth of the cancer. So we need to avoid the spikes in blood

glucose.

Sue

[Guest guest]

Agreed that sugar intake should be watched, but to say do not eat sugar is

misleading. As you correctly point out, many cancer patients grow weaker from

lack of food/sugar intake as their appetites diminish.

While I don't have a reference at the moment to verify the 15x time more sugar

statement, sugar is a necessary source of energy to the body. The best example

I can give is that sugar in the body is like gas in your car. It is the energy

source we need for the body function.

That being said, the article in the link below certainly proves that there is a

difference in the TYPE of sugar and how the pancreatic cancer tumor (PC) uses

it. Specifically, the article pointedly asserts that it is the HFCS (high

fructose corn syrup) that can be more readily used by the PC tumors than glucose

type sugars (food or refined sugar). The cancer can make an immediate

distinction between the two types and prefers the HFCS over natural glucose type

sugars.

http://www.news-medical.net/news/20100804/Study-shows-link-between-fructose-and-\

pancreatic-cancer-proliferation.aspx

So it is the processed and junk foods with HCFS that should be truly avoided. A

poster also made a comment that we consume 10x more sugar than we did 100 years

ago. To extrapolate that to a general statement that implies cancer is more

prevalent as a result of increased sugar consumption is not apples to apples.

Agree there are more toxins in the environment today, but neither does that

translate to a higher rate of cancer.

The mechanism of cancer has not changed as it has been with us since the dawn of

man. What has changed is the mental environs of stress and downward spiral of

the quality of food. While I would like to introduce a different theory about

the origination of cancer, our immune system and the interaction of nutrition,

it would require over a hundred pages to delineate the details. That's what my

website is for. Stress, particularly chronic stress, has been proven to be the

downfall of our immune system. Why?

Well, most people don't want to take the time to read it, much less accept that

cancer is a very simple process that can be eliminated fairly easily with a

fully functional immune system. In fact, many cancer survivors somehow stumble

their way back into good health. The holistic practice of mind, body and spirit

are all needed to win the battle though.

Primary is proper nutrition first to repair and fortify a sagging defense

system, while the mind and spirit aspects are the true magical healers.

Allopathic cancer therapies are anything but complimentary to the immune system,

chemo being an absolute assault on the immune system, while sensible radiation

is the better choice. Radiation techniques and practices have changed immensely

for the better, but in my opinion, patients are over exposed in strength and

dosages.

In times past, man was not besieged with the level of poly-unsaturated fats the

body can not process. The Am. Heart Assoc. was founded by the food makers to

endorse cheaper vegetable oils over saturated fats, the Heart Healthy program!

Back then, saturated fats, which have been proven time and again to actually be

beneficial to the body (in part because they are natural, not processed) was the

main source for cooking and consumption. The perfect example is the notoriety

that butter received, replaced by margarine, and now the advocacy of butter is

back. Similar to the egg and cholesterol story we've seen play out.

Manufactured junk science is behind all of this.

Many of these are just more examples of how the FDA, Big Pharma and the food

industry have conspired against us for profit. Coronary heart disease was

little known until the late 20's after the introduction of poly-unsaturated

oils. Now CHD is responsible for over half a million deaths every year in the

U.S.

The molecular structure of these oils have been modified in the production

process, and the body can no longer process them. Get an old bottle of

vegetable oil and check how sticky it is around the lid. That is the true

source of arterial plaque buildup. It is not easily eliminated by the body,

congeals and collects in the body like glue. To counter that, Pharma has

artificially tagged everyone with the targets for HDL and LDL cholesterol levels

in the body and produced cholesterol lowering statins, arguably a toxic form of

drug to eliminate the plaque......

True story, but an ex and I split over this issue. The separate cooking issues

was one of many reasons. My routine was high in consumption of saturated fats,

whole milk and raw egg shakes in the morning, no regular exercise program, beer,

ice cream and a carefree attitude. Her routine was avoidance of anything with

saturated fats, skim milk, lots of fiber, 4-5 one hour strenuous workouts

weekly, and a focused, intense, almost angry attitude to maintaining this

lifestyle. Regardless of when the CBC tests were taken, my blood levels were

easily 20-40 points below hers and a much lower blood pressure. Go figure.

Little did I realize I was doing the right thing according to the Weston A.

Price Foundation site. In the section, Know Your Fats, you'll get an eye

opener, if not angry, at the true story of this perpetrated food scam. for

example, Canola Oil was originally produced from the rape seed for use as an

industrial lubricant, and still is. However, the FDA and the AHA hearth Healthy

propaganda tells us it good for us to eat!

Soy products have been touted as good for us, but in fact will block the uptake

of nutrients by the body. The only good soy is fermented soy products like tofu

and soy sauce. Avoid the unfermented products.

All three, HFCS, polyunsaturated fats and soy are major inclusions in the

various processed foods we consume today. Add to that list MSG, which is about

the equivalent of rat poison in our body, and you have a more clear picture of

the foods that ail and harm us.

Our predecessors ate more natural foods, not necessarily organic foods, just

plain old natural, fresh, unprocessed foods. They had to make and can their own

foods to make it through winter. They also had a tougher mental makeup - called

survival. They were too busy and involved in life to be couch potatoes and pull

something out of the fridge or freezer, or phone for a processed flour pizza,

much less worry about what their Facebook page said about them..........

Enough ranting for now..... Email me privately at (cpfeiffe @ wt dot net) if you

are interested in a link to reading more about cancer, nutritional therapy, the

immune system diet and holistic healing on my website.

chuck

>

> Cancer cells metabolize 15 times more sugar than regular cells. Most cancer

victims have sweet tooths! It is necessary to keep energy levels up, eat lots

of good healthy foods. Most cancer victims die from lack of energy!!

>

> Russ

>

[Guest guest]

Cancer is from Stress, processed foods, EMF, chemicals, toxins, microwaves, lack

of sun, lack of exercise, lack of sleep, more stress, the air we breathe,

polluted water. We live in a totally

different world today.

We have to be our own Doctor today to heal ourselves, I can't believe what great

info is on the internet.

Dr Leonard Coldwell,Dr ph Mercola, Wolfe, Mike , Trudeau,

these are just a few of my Health Heroes .

. Your Health Crusader

[Guest guest]

I would say generally not. Just have him look at the diabetes rates now

compared to the 1700s or so when sugar was first mass produced or even 50 years

ago. Tell him to look at hypoglycemic studies.

Sometimes sugar can be good for cancer patients or other people. Many Ayurvedic

remedies are supposed to be taken with sugar to balance the bitterness of

medicines, to help the body absorb it into the deeper tissues such as bones or

nerves as a carrier.

GB

>

> Yeah, I thought that would get your attention! LOL Seriously, I'm in a

heated debate with an energy healer I know about this subject. He says that all

foods break down to glucose in the body, so eating sugar makes no difference.

He says he has never found a doctor or researcher who says there is a connection

between eating sugar and cancer. So he wants to me provide him with a peer

reviewed study using real cancer patients. Figured this list was as close to

that as I was gonna get.

>

> I'm making the standard argument that even though all food turns to glucose in

the body, many foods with natural sugars (fruit/beans) have vitamins, minerals

and fiber to slow that insulin spike. And when a body has a condition whereby

sugar exacerbates a condition, why encourage anyone to eat MORE of it?

>

> Anyone have any data ammunition I can fire his way? ... anyone?

>

> xxoo

>

>

[Guest guest]

:

From one of your heroes and mine as well, this morning,

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/01/07/fda-revokes-approv\

al-for-controversial-breast-cancer-drug.aspx

I already knew avastin was banned in several countries, what is taking so long

in the US.?

Vic

________________________________

From: gary williams <willjo52@...>

Sent: Thu, January 6, 2011 8:28:46 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Should cancer patients eat sugar?

 

We have to be our own Doctor today to heal ourselves, I can't believe what great

info is on the internet.

Dr Leonard Coldwell,Dr ph Mercola, Wolfe, Mike , Trudeau,

these are just a few of my Health Heroes .

. Your Health Crusader

[Guest guest]

" melizzard11 " <melizzard@...> wrote:

> He says that all foods break down to glucose in the body

That's partially true.

>so eating sugar makes no difference.

entirely untrue, because it depends on how much glucose they break down into and

how quickly.

Sharp increases in blood sugar levels, which cause high insulin levels, greatly

feed cancer cells and cancer growth and thus should be avoided. “Two possible

mechanisms by which sugar may increase tumor cell proliferation are by

increasing blood glucose levels, and by increasing insulin secretion. As

discussed in Chapter 7, tumor cells exhibit a three- to fivefold increase in

glucose uptake compared to normal cells. Glucose is the preferred source of

energy for tumor cells, since they do not metabolize fat as easily

(Rossi-Fanelli et al., 1991). One mechanism by which tumors may ensure a source

of glucose is by secreting factors that prevent glucose uptake by normal cells,

thus leading to cachexia and hyperglycemia. Hyperglycemia appears to be common

in cancer patients, with incidence reported as high as 60% (Rossi-Fanelli et

al., 1991). Dietary sugar intake may further increase hyperglycemia and may

stimulate tumor proliferation by providing additional glucose. A hyperglycemic

state causes secretion of additional insulin. Recall from Chapter 7 that insulin

stimulates cell proliferation. Insulin is involved in a variety of other

biochemical processes, including glucose uptake; metabolism of carbohydrates,

amino acids, and lipids; and amino acid transport. Insulin also activates

phos-pholipase A2, the enzyme that frees arachidonic acid from cell membranes

for PGE2 synthesis. Yam (1992) reported that cancer-promoting effects of insulin

have been observed in animal cell lines and in human breast cancer cells. He

suggests that elevated insulin may activate dormant cancer cells, initiate the

development of preneoplastic lesions, or stimulate the growth of existing

tumors. In addition to the above mentioned effects, sugar may have other general

negative effects. Ingestion of moderate levels of sucrose or glucose have been

shown to inhibit neutrophil and lymphocyte activity, possibly by competing with

vitamin C for insulin-dependent membrane transport (reviewed by Murray and

Pizzorno, 1991:63). For example, the uptake of ascorbic acid by neutrophils is

inhibited by moderate glucose levels (Hen-son et al.). Inhibition of lymphocyte

activity may play a role in sucrose-induced tumor growth in animal models " (

Boik, 1995, _Cancer & Natural Medicine: A Textbook of Basic Science and Clinical

Research_ www.ompress.com

To avoid blood sugar spikes, (1) avoid eating a huge amount of carbs at any 1

meal and (2) avoid eating a large amount of high glycemic food BY ITSELF ON AN

EMPTY STOMACH. A small amount of high-glycemic food is fine, and if you eat

protein or fat 1st, subsequently eating high-glycemic food isn't an issue per

se. (though it's best to eat fruit by itself rather than mixing it w/other

foods, though acid fruit can be eaten w/nuts).

Besides junk food, the high-glycemic foods to avoid consuming in large amounts

on empty stomach are (in order of glycemic index beginning w/the highest

glycemic index): beer, dates, white/red potato, nonsprouted wheat, millet,

couscous, corn products, white rice, muesli, mango. However, dates, millet,

brown rice, apricots, and dried fruit are cancer-healing, and I would make it a

point to eat them, just not in large amounts on empty stomach (dates are

exceptionally high-glycemic, so never eat more than the tiniest amount on empty

stomach).

Melon has a low glycemic LOAD, making it safe to eat in small-to-medium amounts

on an empty stomach.

Also, avoid all sweet juice that's not fresh-squeezed. And when juicing, I

wouldn't juice more than about 8oz of sweet juice at a time.

A good book on the subject is Hauser's book _Treating Cancer with IPT_.

The book is excellent except that it advocates a low-carb, high-protein diet,

which I and most holistic cancer practitioners disagree with.

Leonard

[Guest guest]

Cancer loves sugar

________________________________

From: Leonard <leonardleonard1@...>

Sent: Fri, January 7, 2011 8:19:09 AM

Subject: [ ] Re: Should cancer patients eat sugar?

" melizzard11 " <melizzard@...> wrote:

> He says that all foods break down to glucose in the body

That's partially true.

>so eating sugar makes no difference.

entirely untrue, because it depends on how much glucose they break down into and

how quickly.

Sharp increases in blood sugar levels, which cause high insulin levels, greatly

feed cancer cells and cancer growth and thus should be avoided. “Two

possible

mechanisms by which sugar may increase tumor cell proliferation are by

increasing blood glucose levels, and by increasing insulin secretion. As

discussed in Chapter 7, tumor cells exhibit a three- to fivefold increase in

glucose uptake compared to normal cells. Glucose is the preferred source of

energy for tumor cells, since they do not metabolize fat as easily

(Rossi-Fanelli et al., 1991). One mechanism by which tumors may ensure a source

of glucose is by secreting factors that prevent glucose uptake by normal cells,

thus leading to cachexia and hyperglycemia. Hyperglycemia appears to be common

in cancer patients, with incidence reported as high as 60% (Rossi-Fanelli et

al., 1991). Dietary sugar intake may further increase hyperglycemia and may

stimulate tumor proliferation by providing additional glucose. A hyperglycemic

state causes secretion of additional insulin. Recall from Chapter 7 that insulin

stimulates cell proliferation. Insulin is involved in a variety of other

biochemical processes, including glucose uptake; metabolism of carbohydrates,

amino acids, and lipids; and amino acid transport. Insulin also activates

phos-pholipase A2, the enzyme that frees arachidonic acid from cell membranes

for PGE2 synthesis. Yam (1992) reported that cancer-promoting effects of insulin

have been observed in animal cell lines and in human breast cancer cells. He

suggests that elevated insulin may activate dormant cancer cells, initiate the

development of preneoplastic lesions, or stimulate the growth of existing

tumors. In addition to the above mentioned effects, sugar may have other general

negative effects. Ingestion of moderate levels of sucrose or glucose have been

shown to inhibit neutrophil and lymphocyte activity, possibly by competing with

vitamin C for insulin-dependent membrane transport (reviewed by Murray and

Pizzorno, 1991:63). For example, the uptake of ascorbic acid by neutrophils is

inhibited by moderate glucose levels (Hen-son et al.). Inhibition of lymphocyte

activity may play a role in sucrose-induced tumor growth in animal models " (

Boik, 1995, _Cancer & Natural Medicine: A Textbook of Basic Science and Clinical

Research_ www.ompress.com

To avoid blood sugar spikes, (1) avoid eating a huge amount of carbs at any 1

meal and (2) avoid eating a large amount of high glycemic food BY ITSELF ON AN

EMPTY STOMACH. A small amount of high-glycemic food is fine, and if you eat

protein or fat 1st, subsequently eating high-glycemic food isn't an issue per

se. (though it's best to eat fruit by itself rather than mixing it w/other

foods, though acid fruit can be eaten w/nuts).

Besides junk food, the high-glycemic foods to avoid consuming in large amounts

on empty stomach are (in order of glycemic index beginning w/the highest

glycemic index): beer, dates, white/red potato, nonsprouted wheat, millet,

couscous, corn products, white rice, muesli, mango. However, dates, millet,

brown rice, apricots, and dried fruit are cancer-healing, and I would make it a

point to eat them, just not in large amounts on empty stomach (dates are

exceptionally high-glycemic, so never eat more than the tiniest amount on empty

stomach).

Melon has a low glycemic LOAD, making it safe to eat in small-to-medium amounts

on an empty stomach.

Also, avoid all sweet juice that's not fresh-squeezed. And when juicing, I

wouldn't juice more than about 8oz of sweet juice at a time.

A good book on the subject is Hauser's book _Treating Cancer with IPT_.

The book is excellent except that it advocates a low-carb, high-protein diet,

which I and most holistic cancer practitioners disagree with.

Leonard

[Guest guest]

Victor

Follow the $ trail in America , that is why I keep talking about the

EVIL drug companies. We have all been brain washed to think we

need all there drugs. Go natural Baby

Your Health Crusader

________________________________

[Guest guest]

very interesting Leonard.  thanks..

 

Mike

 

heading back to mayo to get the tumor out of my neck on the 17th...

 

the doc's comment is that these tumors happen to people who are

 

generally healthy. They say it is not related to the old smoking of

 

many years ago, or reflux ...they simply happen

 

( I of course wonder if more anti oxidants and less junk food prior to recent

diet changes...would have been beneficial  how can one know?)

 

 

 

using the herb PAW PAW INTERNALLY FOR NEARLY A MONTH

 

CHAPARRAL PASTE X 4 DAILY FOR A MONTH

 

Drinking Aronia juice 1 to 2 tbsp daily

 

ADDED LOTS OF GARLIC ONION CLOVE AND CURRY TO FOOD FOR ANTI TUMOR AND ANTI

FUNGAL PROPERTIES

 

I've been on brown rice, GENERALLY 3X A DAY

 

sugar intake reduced about 98 %  only a few cough drops...

 

no red meats

 

HOME MADE FRESH vegetable soup x 3 daily

 

almost 0 bread/crackers

 

99% reduction in junk food LITERALLY

 

no white potatos

 

limited the juice because of concern over sugar FEEDING TUMOR CELLS FAST

METABOLISM.

 

FRESH juice about 7 to 8 oz 1 time a day...carrot/celery/cabbage

 

HOME COOKED FROZEN chicken... 4 to 8 oz daily

 

lost about 2o lbs  this month...

 

SALT DECREASED ABOUT 95 % OR MORE

 

 

 

I want ot say that there is some reduction of size in the tumor but can't say

for sure.. it seems to change a bit from time to time...

perhaps 3/4 inch wide and 1.3 to 1.5 inches long along the side of my neck just

below my r side jawline

 

 

they say it involves 1 and possibly 2 glands on the right side and a bit of the

 

back of the tongue...also on the right side

 

don't smoke  and haven't for 29 years

 

no pipes

 

no chew

 

no cigars

 

no second hand smoke

 

have exercised seriously 2 to 3x a week for years.

 

alcohol consumption is less than one oz a month....

 

and has been for years.

 

have prayed much.... and often, and been in the prayers of others.

 

 

I dislike not being in full control, but one of the things I wonder is if

 

i am not 100% in control of this and God gives skill to my health care

 

practitioners to get rid of this.

 

 

they want me to be re seen every 6 months after the surgery and pathology will

 

determine if i will need chemo and or radiation or not.

 

Mike

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I certainly don't KNOW the answer to this sugar question, but this is my hunch..

knowing the

 

small amount that I am just now learning.

 

In the natural food supply, sugar is not glucose... and it generally breaks down

to glucose

 

slower than candy type of foods..

 

 

therefore it doesn't immediately bathe the tissues in this type of sugar...

 

thus it doesn't give any potential ca cells an advantage

 

and

 

it doesn't slow down immune cells from normal protective activity

 

and

 

it doesn't tend over time to overwhelm the pancrea... so there is less chance of

causing

hyper insulinism,

 

these are my impressions .. but as i say, this is new stuff to me.

 

thoughts?

 

Mike T.

From: greatyoga <greatyoga@...>

Subject: [ ] Re: Should cancer patients eat sugar?

Date: Friday, January 7, 2011, 3:16 AM

 

I would say generally not. Just have him look at the diabetes rates now compared

to the 1700s or so when sugar was first mass produced or even 50 years ago. Tell

him to look at hypoglycemic studies.

Sometimes sugar can be good for cancer patients or other people. Many Ayurvedic

remedies are supposed to be taken with sugar to balance the bitterness of

medicines, to help the body absorb it into the deeper tissues such as bones or

nerves as a carrier.

GB

>

> Yeah, I thought that would get your attention! LOL Seriously, I'm in a heated

debate with an energy healer I know about this subject. He says that all foods

break down to glucose in the body, so eating sugar makes no difference. He says

he has never found a doctor or researcher who says there is a connection between

eating sugar and cancer. So he wants to me provide him with a peer reviewed

study using real cancer patients. Figured this list was as close to that as I

was gonna get.

>

> I'm making the standard argument that even though all food turns to glucose in

the body, many foods with natural sugars (fruit/beans) have vitamins, minerals

and fiber to slow that insulin spike. And when a body has a condition whereby

sugar exacerbates a condition, why encourage anyone to eat MORE of it?

>

> Anyone have any data ammunition I can fire his way? ... anyone?

>

> xxoo

>

>

[Guest guest]

:

My wife's conventional Dr. kept pushing the avastin. He kept repeating " it is

your best chance for survival. " Pretty scary fear tactic.

He gave us 30 pages of info which I read completely. Most of this info was of

little value. I then did much research on my own. I found out many countries

have already banned this drug. I found out the Dr. gets $10,000 for each patient

given or sold this drug. I found out it extends life by two weeks. I found out

death is one of the side effects, as well as stroke, and bleeding to death to

name a few of the biggies. I also found out vitamin C can extend life longer

than two weeks. If in a car accident or there was some other need for surgery

the patient would have to wait a month. Avastin is supposed to work by cutting

off the blood supply to the tumor or cancer. Is this not what selenium does?

Any way I am a very observant person. I confronted my wife's doctor with what I

found out. He got very nervous and I had him backed into a corner. My wife

noticed his reaction to my questions. He then said that maybe we are not ready

or a good candidate for this drug. He did not defend the drug in any way, just

kept repeating " it is your best chance for survival. "

I know this drug was in clinical trials for ovarian cancer. The doctor told my

wife she had a better chance than normal of survival after surgery because, she

was slim, had no high blood pressure, no diabetes, or other health issues. This

was before he was pushing this drug. He knew that getting my wife in the

clinical trails would skew the results toward positive and therefore help get

approval for this drug. Then we asked about prevention and he said my wife had

two options. Both were some form of low dose chemo. I asked the question,

knowing the answer before hand, does not the body get used to the chemo, then it

no longer works? The answer was " I do not think so. " Then we asked about diet,

he said " eat what ever you want " . Both wrong answers. My wife was leaning

towards conventional but at that point she said to me  " lets get the

(expletive) outta here " . I told her she would have to run to keep up with me.

Off to Dr. Mercola we went. 

My wife talked to others about this drug. One woman said she did the research

and threw the papers in the shredder. When my wife told her she had refused the

drug as well, the woman said I thought I was the only one that refused, thank

you thank you, thank you. Some other women had to drop out of the clinical

trails due to severe side effects.  

These were my observations.  

Vic

________________________________

From: gary williams <willjo52@...>

Sent: Fri, January 7, 2011

 

Victor

Follow the $ trail in America , that is why I keep talking about the

EVIL drug companies. We have all been brain washed to think we

need all there drugs. Go natural Baby

Your Health Crusader

[Guest guest]

Actually, I don't know ... we've never discussed HFCS ... I had just lost a lot

of weight and he wanted me to sugar out for a month. As if ... LOL

xxoo

>

>

> Yeah, I thought that would get your attention! LOL Seriously, I'm in a

heated debate with an energy healer I know about this subject. He says that all

foods break down to glucose in the body, so eating sugar makes no difference.

He says he has never found a doctor or researcher who says there is a connection

between eating sugar and cancer. So he wants to me provide him with a peer

reviewed study using real cancer patients. Figured this list was as close to

that as I was gonna get....

>

[Guest guest]

If you need to gain weight, put lots of Olive Oil (and Flax Seed Oil) on

everything.

We make a Greek yogurt, with freshly ground flax seed, flax oil, with ice,

banana, strawberries and blueberries, with raw organic honey and grape juice to

mix it together every day. That will help you gain weight too.