Hormones

[Guest guest]

,

I have been on hormones and homone injections monthly for 17 years with out

any problems.

Carole

[Guest guest]

,

I had constant problems with yeast while on the pill and finally gave it

up.

-Theresa

>This is mainly for the ladies. Ladies, have any of you been able to

>incorporate hormones into your routine of getting better from CFS? I am

low

>in estrogen but everytime I take it my blood gets thicker and my yeast gets

>worse. How do I avoid this and is this normal in CFS? It is so

frustrating

>being so low in it but not being able to take it? Has anyone here been

able

>to take estrogen successfully during there sickness with CFS?

[Guest guest]

Dear ,

I have had good luck with hormones applied through the skin - like the

Estraderm patch and progesterone compounded at Abrams Royal Pharmacy

in Dallas.

Michele G

> Hello,

>

> This is mainly for the ladies. Ladies, have any of you been able to

> incorporate hormones into your routine of getting better from CFS?

I am low

> in estrogen but everytime I take it my blood gets thicker and my

yeast gets

> worse. How do I avoid this and is this normal in CFS? It is so

frustrating

> being so low in it but not being able to take it? Has anyone here

been able

> to take estrogen successfully during there sickness with CFS?

[Guest guest]

Sorry I'm not one of the ladies, however my wife takes estrogen in

the form of tri-estrogen which is supposed to be the same as human

Estrogens and is made at compounding pharmacies. This is radically

different from the standard Premerin or however it is spelled which

comes from horses. Something to consider if you are on Premerin.

Dr. has a book on this topic.

> Hello,

>

> This is mainly for the ladies. Ladies, have any of you been able

to

> incorporate hormones into your routine of getting better from CFS?

I am low

> in estrogen but everytime I take it my blood gets thicker and my

yeast gets

> worse. How do I avoid this and is this normal in CFS? It is so

frustrating

> being so low in it but not being able to take it? Has anyone here

been able

> to take estrogen successfully during there sickness with CFS?

[Guest guest]

That is interesting, because estrogen has been used to lower lp(a) which

causes thick blood. So would have thought the opposite.

Cindi

>>>>>I am low in estrogen but everytime I take it my blood gets thicker

and my

yeast gets worse.

[Guest guest]

Also look at Ray Peat's work. On the web.

[Guest guest]

Hello -

I don't take hormone replacement. However, my

estrogen levels have been very high over the last

three years, probably due to many years of birth

control pill use. Do any of you have this problem? I

used calcium d-glucarate and indole 3-carbonate to try

to help my liver clear this and it is better but not

yet in the normal range.

Jennie

--- lbinujrsy@... wrote:

> Hello,

>

> This is mainly for the ladies. Ladies, have any of

> you been able to

> incorporate hormones into your routine of getting

> better from CFS?

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[Guest guest]

Jennie, Inositol lowers high estrogen levels. I didn't look for any studies.

I have read it in Dr. Sharon's book called Complete Nutrition

(published in London, 1989)

Stania

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Predmet: Re: Hormones

> Hello -

> I don't take hormone replacement. However, my

> estrogen levels have been very high over the last

> three years, probably due to many years of birth

> control pill use. Do any of you have this problem? I

> used calcium d-glucarate and indole 3-carbonate to try

> to help my liver clear this and it is better but not

> yet in the normal range.

> Jennie

>

>

> --- lbinujrsy@... wrote:

> > Hello,

> >

> > This is mainly for the ladies. Ladies, have any of

> > you been able to

> > incorporate hormones into your routine of getting

> > better from CFS?

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Stania - thanks for sending this. I did a search and

it appears to be the same thing as IP-6 which is also

good for immune support. Is this your understanding?

Best, Jennie

--- Stanislava_Muzíková <smuzik@...> wrote:

> Jennie, Inositol lowers high estrogen levels.

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

I had a complete hysterectomy in June of 1999 and I've been on a hormone

patch since. I had my MGB on 3/08/00 (wearing my patch) and I've lost 88

pounds to date. I never did gain weight after I started the hormone

patch....was just big to begin with LOL....

Marie/Florida

[Guest guest]

Seems like many of you are saying that the hormones are making you gain

weight or at least have trouble loosing. I have been on hormones for about 5

years after a complete hysterectomy and gained about 50lb. I wonder if that

is why I have such a slow weight loss.

The other MGBers out there with slow weight loss....are you on hormones? I

am tempted to take the patch off and see what happens!

Joni

Seattle

12/22/00

231/172/138...........57lb gone

[Guest guest]

Joni,

I felt the same way. I probably really should have put my patch on

last week, but I waded through it, and it was very difficult. I was

so bitchy about 3 weeks post op to 2 months post op that people were

emailing me privately to beg me to put my patch back on, which I

stubbornly never did. My weight loss has slowed so much that I

really don't want to chance it. I know that I have to be mentally

ill to sacrifice feeling so bad for a few days vs. not losing

weight. I felt great when I did wear the patch. I'm just mental and

can't bring myself to put it on again.

manda

> Seems like many of you are saying that the hormones are making you

gain

> weight or at least have trouble loosing. I have been on hormones

for about 5

> years after a complete hysterectomy and gained about 50lb. I

wonder if that

> is why I have such a slow weight loss.

>

> The other MGBers out there with slow weight loss....are you on

hormones? I

> am tempted to take the patch off and see what happens!

>

> Joni

> Seattle

> 12/22/00

> 231/172/138...........57lb gone

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Did he put her on meds for her hormones and give her another date?

Manda, that is AWFUL. She must be feeling like crap. Dang.

in Ark

[Guest guest]

He wants her to get everything under control. I think she is seeing

another dr for her problems(she also has cholesterol problems). I

feel very badly for her, especially since it was so " easy " for me to

get approval... etc, and she is having a damned hard time. I want to

cry for her. She says that she has lost 16 lbs in the last 2 weeks,

but she still must be feeling terrible.

manda

\

> Did he put her on meds for her hormones and give her another date?

>

> Manda, that is AWFUL. She must be feeling like crap. Dang.

>

> in Ark

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/17/01 2:26:57 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

writes:

> . I know that I have to be mentally

> ill to sacrifice feeling so bad for a few days vs. not losing

> weight. I felt great when I did wear the patch. I'm just mental and

> can't bring myself to put it on again.

Manda

_______________________________

Well, I have taken off the patch. Let's see what happens. I already take

Celexa so maybe that will help me from becomming a Bit**. If I start whining

too much on the list will all of you plz email me and let me know and I will

put the patch back on. I don't want to tell my hubby cause he will tell me

it is more important to have the hormones than to loose more weight.

Joni

12/22/00

231/171/138

[Guest guest]

Joni,

I hope you don't think I was suggesting that you take your patch

off. I realize that I probably need one, and should wear it. I wish

I were smart enough to wear one.

manda

> In a message dated 8/17/01 2:26:57 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

> @y... writes:

>

>

> > . I know that I have to be mentally

> > ill to sacrifice feeling so bad for a few days vs. not losing

> > weight. I felt great when I did wear the patch. I'm just mental

and

> > can't bring myself to put it on again.

>

> Manda

> _______________________________

>

> Well, I have taken off the patch. Let's see what happens. I

already take

> Celexa so maybe that will help me from becomming a Bit**. If I

start whining

> too much on the list will all of you plz email me and let me know

and I will

> put the patch back on. I don't want to tell my hubby cause he will

tell me

> it is more important to have the hormones than to loose more weight.

>

> Joni

> 12/22/00

> 231/171/138

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I've been on the patch a couple of weeks now. Am I supposed to feel something

different? Or is this just a preventative measure. My emotions are pretty much

the same like a swing. How long does it take?

aW

Re: hormones

Joni,

I hope you don't think I was suggesting that you take your patch

off. I realize that I probably need one, and should wear it. I wish

I were smart enough to wear one.

manda

> In a message dated 8/17/01 2:26:57 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

> @y... writes:

>

>

> > . I know that I have to be mentally

> > ill to sacrifice feeling so bad for a few days vs. not losing

> > weight. I felt great when I did wear the patch. I'm just mental

and

> > can't bring myself to put it on again.

>

> Manda

> _______________________________

>

> Well, I have taken off the patch. Let's see what happens. I

already take

> Celexa so maybe that will help me from becomming a Bit**. If I

start whining

> too much on the list will all of you plz email me and let me know

and I will

> put the patch back on. I don't want to tell my hubby cause he will

tell me

> it is more important to have the hormones than to loose more weight.

>

> Joni

> 12/22/00

> 231/171/138

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/17/01 8:27:55 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

writes:

> I've been on the patch a couple of weeks now. Am I supposed to feel

> something different? Or is this just a preventative measure. My emotions

> are pretty much the same like a swing. How long does it take?

a

Not sure if you are suppose to feel any different. When I had my

hysterectomy about 5 years ago, the dr. came in later that day. He said

" well, you have had your 20 minutes of menopause, we are going to start you

on HRT immediately. " So I never knew what it was like without the hormones.

Guess I will find out. I plan to leave the patch off for a month and see if

my weight loss speeds up at all, or until I become such a Bitch I have to put

it back on. There are alot of women out there that don't use hormones. This

will be an interesting test.

Joni

>

>

[Guest guest]

a,

I felt better that afternoon. Perhpahs you should talk to your doc

about the dosage.

manda

> > In a message dated 8/17/01 2:26:57 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

> > @y... writes:

> >

> >

> > > . I know that I have to be mentally

> > > ill to sacrifice feeling so bad for a few days vs. not losing

> > > weight. I felt great when I did wear the patch. I'm just

mental

> and

> > > can't bring myself to put it on again.

> >

> > Manda

> > _______________________________

> >

> > Well, I have taken off the patch. Let's see what happens. I

> already take

> > Celexa so maybe that will help me from becomming a Bit**. If I

> start whining

> > too much on the list will all of you plz email me and let me

know

> and I will

> > put the patch back on. I don't want to tell my hubby cause he

will

> tell me

> > it is more important to have the hormones than to loose more

weight.

> >

> > Joni

> > 12/22/00

> > 231/171/138

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Ok, thanks!

aW

Re: hormones

a,

I felt better that afternoon. Perhpahs you should talk to your doc

about the dosage.

manda

> > In a message dated 8/17/01 2:26:57 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

> > @y... writes:

> >

> >

> > > . I know that I have to be mentally

> > > ill to sacrifice feeling so bad for a few days vs. not losing

> > > weight. I felt great when I did wear the patch. I'm just

mental

> and

> > > can't bring myself to put it on again.

> >

> > Manda

> > _______________________________

> >

> > Well, I have taken off the patch. Let's see what happens. I

> already take

> > Celexa so maybe that will help me from becomming a Bit**. If I

> start whining

> > too much on the list will all of you plz email me and let me

know

> and I will

> > put the patch back on. I don't want to tell my hubby cause he

will

> tell me

> > it is more important to have the hormones than to loose more

weight.

> >

> > Joni

> > 12/22/00

> > 231/171/138

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

> Latest reading for TSH was 6.44

> Does anyone know with this value if it indicates hypothyroidism?

A TSH of 6.44 is definitely hypothyroid - the usual range is something like

0.4-4.5. I have a TSH of 2.91 (last time I was tested) and have lots

( & lots!) of hypo symptoms. There is increasing evidence that a TSH of

greater than 2 is indicative of hypothyroidism.

HTH

Sally

[Guest guest]

Hey all,

Is anyone else on the estrogen patch? I'm 3 1/2 months out and am ready to

kill someone....my hormones are starting to effect me. Dana gave me a

perscription after surgery in July. I've waited till I thought I needed it.

Since then I lost the perscription and have been overwhelmingly MEAN! I

don't get weepy or anything just MEAN and Irritable. My poor husband has to

deal with it till I get the patch. He says He's never seen me this bad.

Poor Guy. How long after surgery did any of you have to be on the patch?

Symptoms? Sex Drive? I have none.

July 10, 2002

278/225

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[Guest guest]

I was on the patch before I even left N.C. Like, a week after my surgery. But

I'd been bawling my eyes out. Not mean, just very, very unhappy. The patch DID

help and will probably help you too. Couldn't hurt, right? Hurry before you're

husband clobbers you <lol>! You can call Rutledge's office and they'll call you

in a prescription for the estrogen patch.

Good luck to you (and your hubby :-)

in OK

MGB 3/29/2001

303/145

size 5/6-7/8

[Guest guest]

,

Mean just doesn't quiet describe how bad I get when I need my hormones.

Death wish for individuals who cross me is more like. I couldn't use the

patch and ended up on pills. Call your PCP or make a visit and they can get

you started. Minimal dose. It's like having a back massage, chocolate and a

hot shower all at the same time....I don't miss my estrogen unless it's by

accident or they post warnings of possible terrorist activity in our area!

in SC

[Guest guest]

Hi!!! Well.. I have to tell ya. The patch did diddily squat for me

and my gyny put me on some kick bootie hormones that turned me into a

tiger and I wanted to eat every guy in sight!! I had to cut out one

of them because it got so bad lol. Oh my..... I cannot believe it.

I don't know if I should tell you what she gave me. I'd hate Dr. R

to have to fight off all these " hot " women at the banquet in December

LOL. Hmmmmm....

aW

>

> Hey all,

>

> Is anyone else on the estrogen patch? I'm 3 1/2 months out and am

ready to

> kill someone....my hormones are starting to effect me. Dana gave

me a

> perscription after surgery in July. I've waited till I thought I

needed it.

> Since then I lost the perscription and have been overwhelmingly

MEAN! I

> don't get weepy or anything just MEAN and Irritable. My poor

husband has to

> deal with it till I get the patch. He says He's never seen me this

bad.

> Poor Guy. How long after surgery did any of you have to be on the

patch?

> Symptoms? Sex Drive? I have none.

>

>

> July 10, 2002

> 278/225

>

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