Guest guest Posted September 12, 1999 Report Share Posted September 12, 1999 >From: Geri Spang <spangs@...> >Reply- onelist > onelist >Subject: Re: [ ] Calcium, Bone Density and Treatment? >Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 15:27:30 -0700 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >From errors-165537-6477-shireen42=hotmail.comonelist Sun Sep 12 >15:39:17 1999 >Received: (qmail 17891 invoked by alias); 12 Sep 1999 22:39:15 -0000 >Received: (qmail 17854 invoked from network); 12 Sep 1999 22:39:14 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net) (204.127.131.38) >by pop1.onelist.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 1999 22:39:14 -0000 >Received: from worldnet ([63.23.75.246]) by mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net >(InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id ><19990912223913.XLAB29082@worldnet> for < onelist>; Sun, >12 Sep 1999 22:39:13 +0000 >Message-Id: <4.1.19990912145945.00973cc0@...> >X-Sender: spangs@... >X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 >In-Reply-<937171749.4708onelist> >Mailing-List: list onelist; contact > -owneronelist >Delivered-mailing list onelist >Precedence: bulk >List-Unsubscribe: <mailto: -unsubscribeONElist> > >From: Geri Spang <spangs@...> > >Nina, >I took Miacalcin for a month and my doctor just stopped it last Friday. >Before that I took Fosomax and had to stop that because it caused so much >GI distress. > >A little history: I should not have been an osteoporosis risk though there >is severe osteoporosis in my Mom's family. Because of my body's blissful >resistance to all birth control methods, I started taking birth control >pills when I was in my 20's. I continued to take them through the first >hot flash, when my doctor switched me to hormone replacement meds. Managed >to avoid menopause and all of it's unpleasantries until some alarming lab >elevations that indicated possible ovarian cancer. To rule it out, I >agreed to a total hysterectomy three years ago. At that point I started >using Climara, the hormone patch. Through all of this, every gynecologist >I've seen including one who had written papers on hormones for osteoporosis >prevention and another in Switzerland, have told me that I would NEVER have >a problem with osteoporosis. No one anticipated long term Prednisone in my >life. > >During pre-transplant evaluation, I had my first bone density test. I'm in >my early 60's but the results showed bone density 20% above average for >women my age and even 2% above average for a woman in her 20's. A year and >a half went by and no one ordered another bone density test so I pursued it >on my own. A couple of months ago I finally had another test and in a year >and a half the tests showed a 30% loss of bone density and osteoporosis >just below the fracture threshold. > >My Hepatologist probably knew he'd been remiss and he referred me to his >personal physician who is now the Internist I'm seeing. He immediately >upped my calcium to 1500 mgs. daily and put me on Fosomax. When that was a >problem, he changed to Miacalcin. The literature says there might be joint >pain but I had no idea it could be like this! (Bear in mind that not >everyone has negative effects from either Fosomax or Miacalcin.) I'm >nearly immobilized by joint and muscle pain, cramps and weakness every day >until my morning Prednisone and the Vicoden I take for pain begins to work. > Then I get up and around, like right now. Generally, I have to stay in >bed until I get my mobility going (Geri gets her groove back.) > >Friday he told me to stop Miacalcin altogether. I'll take nothing for the >next two weeks, then he wants to run some blood tests. If the pain has >let up as a result of stopping Miacalcin, I'll start taking Evista. Evista >is already approved by the FDA for prevention of bone density loss but not >for restoration of bone density. It's also a natural hormone for those who >can't take conventional hormones but he says it can allow hot flashes. He >says it will be approved by the FDA for density restoration sometime in the >next few weeks. There were features on the drug all over the national news >a few weeks ago and everyone seems to think it might be the cure for >osteoporosis. Hope they're right. > >Here's the surprise. I will continue to use the Climara patch in addition >to Evista and of course, I'll continue on 1500 mgs. of calcium and 600 to >800 i.u. of vitamin D daily. > >However, if the pain doesn't stop despite cessation of Miacalcin, I guess >there is another set of problems to deal with. I'm assuming that Miacalcin >is the culprit. Too much coincidence that the pain intensified after I >started taking it. I do hope that Miacalcin works for you. It's so much >easier to take than Fosomax though supposedly less effective. It's been a >miracle drug for so many people with osteoporosis - a condition I never >expected to have. > >Men who are on long-term Prednisone therapy also need to be alert to the >osteoporosis risk. I hope that they won't be lulled into thinking this is >just a " woman " thing. Also, no one should allow themselves to assume that >this is an age related problem because it's not. It's a Prednisone side >effect and shouldn't be ignored. > >Take care, >Geri > > > > > >--------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 1999 Report Share Posted September 12, 1999 Why does one need TOTAL hysterectomy to determine ovarian cancer? J >From: Geri Spang <spangs@...> >Reply- onelist > onelist >Subject: Re: [ ] Calcium, Bone Density and Treatment? >Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 15:27:30 -0700 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >From errors-165537-6477-shireen42=hotmail.comonelist Sun Sep 12 >15:39:17 1999 >Received: (qmail 17891 invoked by alias); 12 Sep 1999 22:39:15 -0000 >Received: (qmail 17854 invoked from network); 12 Sep 1999 22:39:14 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net) (204.127.131.38) >by pop1.onelist.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 1999 22:39:14 -0000 >Received: from worldnet ([63.23.75.246]) by mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net >(InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id ><19990912223913.XLAB29082@worldnet> for < onelist>; Sun, >12 Sep 1999 22:39:13 +0000 >Message-Id: <4.1.19990912145945.00973cc0@...> >X-Sender: spangs@... >X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 >In-Reply-<937171749.4708onelist> >Mailing-List: list onelist; contact > -owneronelist >Delivered-mailing list onelist >Precedence: bulk >List-Unsubscribe: <mailto: -unsubscribeONElist> > >From: Geri Spang <spangs@...> > >Nina, >I took Miacalcin for a month and my doctor just stopped it last Friday. >Before that I took Fosomax and had to stop that because it caused so much >GI distress. > >A little history: I should not have been an osteoporosis risk though there >is severe osteoporosis in my Mom's family. Because of my body's blissful >resistance to all birth control methods, I started taking birth control >pills when I was in my 20's. I continued to take them through the first >hot flash, when my doctor switched me to hormone replacement meds. Managed >to avoid menopause and all of it's unpleasantries until some alarming lab >elevations that indicated possible ovarian cancer. To rule it out, I >agreed to a total hysterectomy three years ago. At that point I started >using Climara, the hormone patch. Through all of this, every gynecologist >I've seen including one who had written papers on hormones for osteoporosis >prevention and another in Switzerland, have told me that I would NEVER have >a problem with osteoporosis. No one anticipated long term Prednisone in my >life. > >During pre-transplant evaluation, I had my first bone density test. I'm in >my early 60's but the results showed bone density 20% above average for >women my age and even 2% above average for a woman in her 20's. A year and >a half went by and no one ordered another bone density test so I pursued it >on my own. A couple of months ago I finally had another test and in a year >and a half the tests showed a 30% loss of bone density and osteoporosis >just below the fracture threshold. > >My Hepatologist probably knew he'd been remiss and he referred me to his >personal physician who is now the Internist I'm seeing. He immediately >upped my calcium to 1500 mgs. daily and put me on Fosomax. When that was a >problem, he changed to Miacalcin. The literature says there might be joint >pain but I had no idea it could be like this! (Bear in mind that not >everyone has negative effects from either Fosomax or Miacalcin.) I'm >nearly immobilized by joint and muscle pain, cramps and weakness every day >until my morning Prednisone and the Vicoden I take for pain begins to work. > Then I get up and around, like right now. Generally, I have to stay in >bed until I get my mobility going (Geri gets her groove back.) > >Friday he told me to stop Miacalcin altogether. I'll take nothing for the >next two weeks, then he wants to run some blood tests. If the pain has >let up as a result of stopping Miacalcin, I'll start taking Evista. Evista >is already approved by the FDA for prevention of bone density loss but not >for restoration of bone density. It's also a natural hormone for those who >can't take conventional hormones but he says it can allow hot flashes. He >says it will be approved by the FDA for density restoration sometime in the >next few weeks. There were features on the drug all over the national news >a few weeks ago and everyone seems to think it might be the cure for >osteoporosis. Hope they're right. > >Here's the surprise. I will continue to use the Climara patch in addition >to Evista and of course, I'll continue on 1500 mgs. of calcium and 600 to >800 i.u. of vitamin D daily. > >However, if the pain doesn't stop despite cessation of Miacalcin, I guess >there is another set of problems to deal with. I'm assuming that Miacalcin >is the culprit. Too much coincidence that the pain intensified after I >started taking it. I do hope that Miacalcin works for you. It's so much >easier to take than Fosomax though supposedly less effective. It's been a >miracle drug for so many people with osteoporosis - a condition I never >expected to have. > >Men who are on long-term Prednisone therapy also need to be alert to the >osteoporosis risk. I hope that they won't be lulled into thinking this is >just a " woman " thing. Also, no one should allow themselves to assume that >this is an age related problem because it's not. It's a Prednisone side >effect and shouldn't be ignored. > >Take care, >Geri > > > > > >--------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 1999 Report Share Posted September 13, 1999 , Usually, by the time ovarian cancer has been detected it's too late to do anything about it. Ovarian cancer is one of the more deadly cancers and difficult to diagnose. I had a history of blood in my urine for many years and they never could find out why. In 1993 a Portland Gynecologist started running a CA 125 test. It's a blood test that is used as a tumor marker. Elevations don't mean you have ovarian cancer, but consistent elevations can indicate the possibility. My CA 125 began to slowly increase beyond the normal values of 0 -45. By 1996 they'd crept up enough to cause some concern. My father's mother died from ovarian cancer before I was born and when my Mom had exploratory surgery for something else in 1993, they found very early ovarian cancer. My Seattle gynecologist discussed the risks and pros and cons of a hysterectomy, which wasn't otherwise indicated for me. I could either hope that the elevations were just a fluke and nothing to worry about, with the chance of finding out (probably too late) that I actually had the cancer or I could have a hysterectomy which would remove me from ever having to worry about it. Because of my age and family history plus the CA 125 which continued to increase, I opted not to take the chance I had cancer. After the hysterectomy my CA 125 continued to elevate and by 1997 just before I was diagnosed with AIH it had reached the 1500's. The Hepatologist who diagnosed my AIH then told me that it's a little known medical fact that CA 125 is more apt to be elevated in liver disease than it is in ovarian cancer. Most of my doctors believe I'd had AIH for about 20 years before I was diagnosed. Incidentally, I also had elevated CA 19, which is a tumor marker for pancreatic cancer. Turns out that elevated CA can also indicate liver disease. I elected to have a total hystectomy since they were going to be in the neighborhood anyhow, so I figured they might as well take all of the obsolete equipment while they were there. It also eliminated the risk for uterine cancer. ly, because of Climara, I didn't and still don't feel any different than before I had the hysterectomy. However, I'd always sworn I would absolutely NEVER have a hysterectomy unless I had to because of cancer. Ironic, huh? Take care, Geri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2001 Report Share Posted September 9, 2001 I have some stories from women at my site but it is in Dutch, but maybe I could bring you in contact with one of the women who treat their ovarian cancer with a mix of hormonal therapy and a diet and certain supplements. And they do quite well with this treatment. At last they live already much longer than any regular doctor had predicted, but they aren't cured yet. But I must say they were in a very bad condition before they started this complementary treatment. If you want I wil ask them and can give them your private email. With kindly regards, Kees Braam webmaster www.kanker-actueel.nl ovarian cancer Has anyone had any successes with ovarian cancer . . . and know the symptoms of it? What treatment protocols work the best? Get HUGE info at http://www.cures for cancer.ws, and post your own links there. Unsubscribe by sending email to cures for cancer-unsubscribeegroups or by visiting http://www.bobhurt.com/subunsub.mv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2001 Report Share Posted September 9, 2001 Why not touch base with Tori Hudson's office for information or a referral. A Woman's Time - Menopause Options and Natural Medicine" 2067 NW Lovejoy Portland, OR 97209 503-222-2322. Melinda Wiman www.cancure.org Cancer Cure Foundation ovarian cancer Has anyone had any successes with ovarian cancer . . . and know the symptoms of it? What treatment protocols work the best? Get HUGE info at http://www.cures for cancer.ws and post your own links there. Unsubscribe by sending email to cures for cancer-unsubscribeegroups or by visiting http://www.bobhurt.com/subunsub.mv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2001 Report Share Posted November 27, 2001 Can anyone advise ? >From: cyd130@... >Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 12:20:46 -0600 ><bobhurt@...> >X-Mailer: Miva v3.9201 >Subject: Ovarian Cancer > >Name: >Email: cyd130@... >Comments: Please advise on what kind of diet to follow while being treated >for Stage III Ovarian Cancer via chemotherapy -- Also, are you familiar >with the supplement MGN-3 by Lane Labs? Thanks, > >This message was sent to you from: > >199.43.32.21 > >Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows NT 4.0) >Tue, Nov27, 2001 >12:20 CDT > ****** pcwiz@... ****** Bob Hurt, pcwiz inc (ID# 59 367 7863) Box 15108, Clearwater, FL 33766 (727) 446-3402, FAX (727) 443-4377 ***** http://pcwiz.ws ***** This message and any attachments are confidential and intended solely for those to whom they are addressed. Notify the sender if you receive this in error. ****************************** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2001 Report Share Posted November 28, 2001 In einer eMail vom 28.11.2001 09:44:43 (MEZ) Mitteleuropäische Zeit schreibt redactie@...: Dear , I could give you the e-mailadress of a woman with ovariancancer stage IV. She should have died already half a year ago due her oncologist but after she started with the Houtsmullerdiet , a certain hormonal therapy half a year ago and certain supplements she is still alive and feels much better. Though she suffers still from ovarian cancer so it isn't cured yet but she works again for parttime and does some sport again. And feels more energy then years before. If you want I can bring you in contact with her though she writes and understands not so good english but someone could help her with that. Gr. Kees Braam webmaster www.kanker-actueel.nl Dear Kees, although you didn't adress me directly, I would like to offer help, if I may do so. Not only for the one, you were writing of, but also for anyone you would know. This is the way we tell the people: If you need divine help from the Highest which is our Lord Jesus to change your life, please forward your request for a long distance healing help to ericacatharina@... with copy to me ISchneuing@... for translations from english into german Once your request has been received, a will start her work with Divine energies immediately and it is required that you stay in contact with us on a daily basis by email, if possible, to report the changes happening. yours Ingo ...as one, who understands what this is all about has put it the other weelk in an email: Thank you for accepting my healing request. I do believe in Jesus Christ´s words: ANYONE who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these... ( 14: 12). (including distance healing I hope The Spirit of the lord is on you . I do everyday what Jesus told us to do. "So I say to you: Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you, For everyone who asks receives; he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks, the door will be opened". (Luke 10:41 9...10). As you can see my faith in Jesus Christ is very powerful. If I have understood well, I have to e-mail you every day, I will do it. By the way, do you know of any german speaking egroups like the kinds we are in? Best regards Ingo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2001 Report Share Posted November 28, 2001 Dear , I could give you the e-mailadress of a woman with ovariancancer stage IV. She should have died already half a year ago due her oncologist but after she started with the Houtsmullerdiet , a certain hormonal therapy half a year ago and certain supplements she is still alive and feels much better. Though she suffers still from ovarian cancer so it isn't cured yet but she works again for parttime and does some sport again. And feels more energy then years before. If you want I can bring you in contact with her though she writes and understands not so good english but someone could help her with that. Gr. Kees Braam webmaster www.kanker-actueel.nl Ovarian Cancer > > > >Name: > >Email: cyd130@... > >Comments: Please advise on what kind of diet to follow while being treated > >for Stage III Ovarian Cancer via chemotherapy -- Also, are you familiar > >with the supplement MGN-3 by Lane Labs? Thanks, > > > >This message was sent to you from: > > > >199.43.32.21 > > > >Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows NT 4.0) > >Tue, Nov27, 2001 > >12:20 CDT > > > > > ****** pcwiz@... ****** > Bob Hurt, pcwiz inc (ID# 59 367 7863) > Box 15108, Clearwater, FL 33766 > (727) 446-3402, FAX (727) 443-4377 > ***** http://pcwiz.ws ***** > This message and any attachments are confidential and intended solely for those > to whom they are addressed. Notify the sender if you receive this in error. > ****************************** > > > > Get HUGE info at http://www.cures for cancer.ws, and post your own links there. Unsubscribe by sending email to cures for cancer-unsubscribeegroups or by visiting http://www.bobhurt.com/subunsub.mv > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2001 Report Share Posted November 28, 2001 From: Hurt <rmhurt@...> Date sent: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 15:28:07 -0500 Send reply to: cures for cancer > >Name: > >Email: cyd130@... > >Comments: Please advise on what kind of diet to follow while being > >treated for Stage III Ovarian Cancer via chemotherapy -- Also, are you > >familiar with the supplement MGN-3 by Lane Labs? Thanks, Hi , You can not get any medical advise on this list, but you can get useful information. Chemo destroys the immune system and some products have been proven to greatly reduce that damage if taken with chemo. Some of these products are mentioned in Protocol 1, a protocol I would try to follow if I had cancer. MGN-3 activates Natural Killer (NK) cells which can attack and kill tumor cells, if the tumors protective coating has been removed with enzymes. However beta-1,3d-glucan activates not only NK cells but macrophages and the immune cascade, giving a much greater degree of immune system activation then MGN-3. I have posted references to support this view previously. This information is from the cancer cure email list and is for cancer generally.This information should not be taken as medical advice but as information to discuss with your health professional. No medical claims are made about any products mentioned. Always check with your doctor if supplements are OK to take with your current treatment. moonbeam PROTOCOL 1 1. No meat or dairy products of any kind. Meat and dairy products contain xeno-estrogens and Arachidonic Acid, both of which are growth accelerants for many types of cancer cells. 2. The basic diet use a raw vegetable juice diet, with less then 30 percent of food cooked. The recommended juicer is a slow speed macerating juicer, high-speed juices destroy the enzymes and Vitamins due to the short-term high temperature spike created by the friction of a high-speed juicer. Samson Juicer...250$ it juices slowly...80 rounds per minute. http://www.juiceronline.com/contact.htm My recommendation is Omega 8000 juicer - $399 - twin steel gears. http://www.juiceronline.com/o2.htm Gerson therapy recommends 8 to12 glasses of homemade raw vegetable juice per day. Carrots, apples, Juiced fresh pineapples (with skin left on - as skin and stem are rich in Bromelain) and PawPaw (papaya) for bromelain and papayan enzymes. The enzymes remove the protective coating which hides the tumor from the immune system. Serrapeptase enzyme could also be used with multi-enzyme complex tablets also. Enzymes are best taken on a full stomach. Home grown wheat grass and barley grass and broccoli sprouts can also be added to the juicer. 3. Diet to include at least two punnets of sprouts ( mung, alfalfa, salad sprouts or broccoli sprouts) per day. Sprouts can also be placed in the slow speed juicer. Carrots and green leafy vegetable's are also ideal for the juicer. The carotenes and enzymes from the vegetable juices have a anti-cancer effect. 4. Diet to include 500 ml of V8 vegetable juice or canned (cooked) tomato juice per day. The lycopene (delta carrotene) in cooked tomato juice is several times more potent an anti-cancer compound then Beta carotene from carrots. Tomato lycopene is only orally active when cooked, best fried in a little olive oil to carry the lycopene, perhaps with fresh garlic and onion. 5. Diet to include 500 to 1,000 micrograms of Organic form selenium per day. ie, L-Selenomethionine. Any other form of selenium is not bio available. Selenium is synergistic with Vitamin E, so Vitamin E Succinate (an improved form of Vitamin E) supplementation of 1,200 international units per day is suggested. Thirty fold increase in anybody cells typically follows such a selenium Vitamin E combination. This is 6. Diet to include to 2 or 3 grams of beta-glucan, per day, at least 40 minutes before food. Diet to include three grams of Vitamin C. powder, three times per day. Three times a day is suggested as the kidneys remove the Vitamin C. from the body after a few hours. Vitamin C. will be synergistic with the beta-glucan and the selenium. Ester C or Beet derived C are very good, sodium ascorbate C is more economical. Beta Glucan does not work so well if not taken with vitamin C. 7. Diet to include one tablespoon of cold pressed Flax Seed Oil (cold pressed linseed oil). Mixed with 3/4 of a cup of cottage cheese (caution for Diabetes sufferers). To be taken two times per day. Research shows this dramatically increases the oxygen carrying capacity of the blood. Cancer is an anaerobic disease. This treatment will be synergistic with the peroxide treatment. Flax stops COX-2 and arachidonic acid induced cancer growth. 8. Diet to include three heaped teaspoons of Spirulina electrically mixed in juice, two or three times per day. The phycocyanin in Spirulina dramatically increases production of red and white blood cells from the bone marrow progenitor stems cells. Also contains 30 fold greater carotene content then carrots, also rich in GLA, cystine and methionine. Will help reduce nausea and immune cell depletion following chemotherapy. 9. Diet to include 20 drops of stabilized oxygen (NaCLO2 or NaCLO3). Starting at two drops on the the first day, and adding one drop more each day till 22 drops on the day 20. This is best taken in juice to cover the flavour, can be taken with juice at meal time. 10. Peroxide Bath treatment. Add one large coffee mug (200ml) of 35% food grade peroxide to a hot, shallow Bath about one-third full, and two tablespoons of 99% grade DMSO to bath. Take bath twice a day for 15 minutes per time. Repeat bath in the afternoon, reheating bath using the immersion heater. The bath must be comfortably hot. Discard water each day. Important not to get any of this water in the eyes, flush eyes with freshwater if eye contact occurs. Concentrated peroxide is hazardous, stored in safe place away from children, avoid skin contact, flush with water if skin contact with concentrate occurs. 11. Additional beta-glucan supplementation can be obtained from Agicarus Blazei mushroom extract, Coriolus Versicolor mushroom, PSP, PSK, etc, available via internet. Lentinan and Shitake mushroom or its extracts are not orally effective. Additional immune system activation through neuro-immunomodulation - Melatonin (40mg nightly). 12. Spirulina, beta-glucan, Vitamin C. and selenium should begin prior to chemo therapy to help reduce chemotherapy caused, immune system depletion. It is suggested that taking these 4 items will also help prevent any recurrence of the cancer, as well as any spread of the cancer (metastasis). 13. A beta-glucan cream can be used to prevent or reduce ulcer formation at areas where radiotherapy is used. 14. Broccoli sprouts, one punnets of broccoli sprouts per day. Contains glucoraphanin the precursor to anti cancer sulforaphane. Get Broccoli seeds from a rural seed supplier, late Broccoli varieties contain more anti cancer glucoraphanin. Make sure seeds do not have a pink coating (fungicide). 15. Laetrile, vitamin B17, or amygdelin therapy. Taking at least two punnets of mung been or Salad sprouts per day will supply B17. Raw Macadamia nuts, the kernels from inside nectarines and fresh apricot kernels are good sources of B17. They must taste bitter. The cyanide in B17 acts against the cancer, whereas it does not act against good cells. Broccoli sprouts also contain B17. B17 tablets or injections are a way to get a lot more B17 than by diet. 16. No cooked food if possible, thats why the slow speed juicer is so important. No processed food, no tap water, only filtered water, no artificial flavorings or colourings. 17. Celebrex or Meloxicam non steroidal anitinflammatory pain killers. Induces anti- angiogenisis or halting of growth of blood vessels in tumor. Works with several types of cancers. Check with oncologist for dosage. Curcummin is the yellow pigment from Tumeric and has been shown to block production of COX-2 in a similar way to Celebrex. Curcummin is poorly absorbed but if Piperine (black pepper extract) is mixed with the curcummin, this greatly improves the curcummin absorption. 2gms of curcummin daily, which contains a little piperine. This approach is for solid tumors, not blood cancers like leukemia. 18. No sugar. 19. Hypericum to keep your spirits up. Cats Claw herb daily, make into a tea. 20 Ellagic acid, found in berries, purple grapes, walnuts causes G1 mitosis arrest. (induces apotosis ie stops cell replication in cancer cells) available via internet. (DMSO used in dilute peroxide bath also produces reversable G1 cell arrest). Also for additional immune support; Astragalus, mannin from Manotech, Noni Juice, Transfer Factor, grape seed extract, shark liver oil, Vitamin B6,B3. Get info at http://www.cures for cancer.ws, subscribe by sending email to cures for cancer-subscribeegroups or by visiting http://www.bobhurt.com/subunsub.mv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2005 Report Share Posted March 9, 2005 Hi Sue. I didn't notice if anyone answered this or not. My guess would be NO!!! The reason being that it causes an uptake of chemicals and by increasing the uptake of chemo it could be dangerous. Personally I would wait. Personally, also, if it was me, I would be doing alot of other things like: 30 Wobenzyme a day http://www.buywobenzyme.com Dr. Matthias Rath's formula (l lysine, vit c, proline and greentree extract) Juicing 6-8 times a day, mostly veges Lots of Garlic, which kills cancer. . .see http://www.curezone.com and Dr. Schulze's incurables program Especially the liver and kidney and blood detox teas. Lots of cayenne to keep the blood circulating Hot and Cold Showers Perhaps Cesium Chloride and Potassium (also Vit A, selenium, zinc, c and e.) Maybe some apricot kernals or extracts thereof Probiotics and Inulin Fermented foods Sunshine and Vit D Minerals of some kind. Fulvic acid minerals or concentrace Beta Glucan Perhaps dmso or msm or both EFT. http://www.emofree.com request free manual download Lots of prayer and laughter Homozon http://www.excellentthings.com Co-Q-10 400 mgs Silymarin to support the liver and keep glutathione levels up. Shark Carilage enemas And or Coffee enemas Far Infrared TDP lamps, not on site but available by calling number on site. http://www.excellentthings.com Some form of lymphatic movement to oxygenate and reduce tissue acids - Rebounding or the Chi machine are the best http://www.excellentthings.com I would avoid red meat and protein in general as cancer is dependant on the glutamine in it. I would avoid cell phones as they cause mutations This is just off the top of my head. Not a doctor and not prescribing, just sharing what I would do. Blessings Donna http://www.excellentthings.com suekoeppen wrote: > > I am still on chemo for two more months. Is it safe to use the Beck > protocols whilst on chemo (Caelyx) or is it advisable to wait until > chemo is completed. My CA 125 is now 9. It is March 2005. If anyone > has some experience would appreciate hearing from you. Also would > like to know of a sympathetic health practioner who is in favour > with the Beck Protocols in the Sydney area that would help me. Sue > > > > > * Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2005 Report Share Posted December 23, 2005 This is REALLY worth reading about! Thanks. I am putting ALL worthwhile " cancer related " info in my saved mail. Ms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2008 Report Share Posted April 17, 2008 > > > > Subject: intresting read > > > > I don't know about the validity of this but it sounds worthwhile to > check out. > > Just in case you didn't get this one. Doesn't look like something we > should overlook. > > SIGNS OF OVARIAN CANCER > > (even in the absence of Ovaries) > THIS IS A MUST TO READ TO THE END > > An Eye Opener on Ovarian Cancer > > I hope you all take the time to read this and pass it on to all you > can. Send this to the women in your life that you care about. > > A few years ago, Gilda Radner died of ovarian cancer. Her symptoms > were inconclusive, and she was treated for everything under the sun > until it was too late. This blood test finally identified her illness > but alas, too late. She wrote a book to heighten awareness. Gene > Wilder is her widower. > > KATHY'S STORY: this is the story of Kathy West > > As all of you know, I have Primary Peritoneal Cancer. This cancer has > only recently been identified as its OWN type of cancer, but it is > essentially Ovarian Cancer. > > Both types of cancer are diagnosed in the same way, with the " tumor > marker " CA-125 BLOOD TEST, and they are treated in the same way - > surgery to remove the primary tumor and then chemotherapy with Taxol > and Carboplatin. > > Having gone through this ordeal, I want to save others from the same > fate. That is why I am sending this message to you and hope you will > print it and give it or send it via E-mail to everybody you know. > > One thing I have learned is that each of us must take TOTAL > responsibility for our own health care. I thought I had done that > because I always had an annual physical and PAP smear, did a monthly > Self-Breast Exam, went to the dentist at least twice a year, etc. I > even insisted on a sigmoidoscopy and a bone density test last year. > When I had a total hysterectomy in 1993, I thought that I did not > have to worry about getting any of the female reproductive organ > cancers. > > LITTLE DID I KNOW. I don't have ovaries (and they were HEALTHY when > they were removed), but I have what is essentially ovarian cancer. > Strange, isn't it? > > These are just SOME of the things our Doctors never tell us: ONE out > of every 55 women will get OVARIAN or PRIMARY PERITONEAL CANCER. > > The " CLASSIC " symptoms are an ABDOMEN that rather SUDDENLY ENLARGES > and CONSTIPATION and/or DIARRHEA. > > I had these classic symptoms and went to the doctor. Because these > symptoms seemed to be " abdominal " , I went to a gastroenterologist. He > ran tests that were designed to determine whether there was a > bacteria infection; these tests were negative, and I was diagnosed > with " Irritable Bowel Syndrome " . I guess I would have accepted this > diagnosis had it not been for my enlarged abdomen. I swear to you, it > looked like I was 4-5 months pregnant! I therefore insisted on more > tests > > They took an X-ray of my abdomen; it was negative. I was again > assured that I had Irritable Bowel Syndrome and was encouraged to go > on my scheduled month-long trip to Europe. I couldn't wear any of my > slacks or shorts because I couldn't get them buttoned, and I KNEW > something was radically wrong. I INSISTED on more tests, and they > reluctantly) scheduled me for a CT-Scan (just to shut me up, I > think). This is what I mean by " taking charge of our own health care. " > > The CT-Scan showed a lot of fluid in my abdomen (NOT normal). > Needless to say, I had to cancel my trip and have FIVE POUNDS of > fluid drawn off at the hospital (not a pleasant experience I assure > you), but NOTHING compared to what was ahead of me. > > Tests revealed cancer cells in the fluid. Finally, finally, finally, > the doctor ran a CA-125 blood test, and I was properly diagnosed. > > I HAD THE CLASSIC SYMPTOMS FOR OVARIAN CANCER, AND YET THIS SIMPLE CA- > 125 BLOOD TEST HAD NEVER BEEN RUN ON ME, not as part of my annual > physical exam and not when I was symptomatic. This is an inexpensive > and simple blood test! > > PLEASE, PLEASE TELL ALL YOUR FEMALE FRIENDS AND RELATIVES TO INSIST > ON A CA-125 BLOOD TEST EVERY YEAR AS PART OF THEIR ANNUAL PHYSICAL > EXAMS. > > Be forewarned that their doctors might try to talk them out of it, > saying, " IT ISN'T NECESSARY. " Believe me, had I known then what I > know now, we would have caught my cancer much earlier (before it was > a stage 3 cancer). Insist on the CA-125 BLOOD TEST; DO NOT take " NO " > for an answer! > > The normal range for a CA-125 BLOOD TEST is between zero and 35. MINE > WAS 754. (That's right, 754!). If the number is slightly above 35, > you can have another done in three or six months and keep a close eye > on it, just as women do when they have fibroid tumors or when men > have a slightly elevated PSA test (Prostatic Specific Antigens) that > helps diagnose prostate cancer. > > Having the CA-125 test done annually can alert you early, and that's > the goal in diagnosing any type of cancer - catching it early. > > Do you know 55 women? If so, at least one of them will have this VERY > AGGRESSIVE cancer. Please, go to your doctor and insist on a CA-125 > test and have one EVERY YEAR for the rest of your life. > > And forward this message to every woman you know, and tell all of > your female family members and friends. Though the median age for > this cancer is 56, (and, guess what, I'm exactly 56), women as young > as 22 have it. Age is no factor. > > A NOTE FROM AN RN: > > Well, after reading this, I made some calls. I found that the CA- 125 > test is an ovarian screening test equivalent to a man's PSA test > prostate screen (which my husband's doctor automatically gives him in > his physical each year and insurance pays for it). I called the > general practitioner's office about having the test done. The nurse > had never heard of it. She told me that she doubted that insurance > would pay for it. So I called Prudential Insurance Co, and got the > same response. Never heard of it - it won't be covered. > > I explained that it was the same as the PSA test they had paid for my > husband for years. After conferring with whomever they confer with, > she told me that the CA-125 would be covered. > > It is $75 in a GP's office and $125 at the GYN's. This is a screening > test that should be required just like a PAP smear (a PAP smear > cannot detect problems with your ovaries). And you must insist that > your insurance company pay for it. > > Gene Wilder and Pierce Brosnan (his wife had it, too) are lobbying > for women's health issues, saying that this test should be required > in our physicals, just like the PAP and the mammogram. PLEASE TAKE A > MOMENT TO SEND THIS OUT TO ALL THOSE YOU CAN. BE IT MALE OR FEMALE, > IT SHOULD NOT MATTER, AS THEY CAN FORWARD IT ALSO TO THOSE LOVED ONES > THEY KNOW. This is our doctors reply. Hi Jim and Suzanne, I am happy to run this test- though again I'm not sure if Ins would cover it. If you would like it added to your next lab, just add it to the lab slip you have. Be aware that this test is not as acurate as it was once hoped to be. UW did a study on this test and concluded that it was not as accurate as hoped. Meaning that there are women who have Ovarian cancer whose test is norrmal, while there are other women who have elevated levels who are OK. So the results can be confusing and not accurate. To confess, I have not given much thought to date whether annual testing might be helpful, looking for a shift = like the PSA. So if you would like to add it, go ahead. Or if you would like to discuss it next visit , remind me. Take care JW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2008 Report Share Posted April 17, 2008 Looks like people, even when shown that the CA 125 is more than problematic still want people to take this test that proves too often to be revealing false negatives and false positives. Getting a false negative will cause one to think they are fine when they are not while a false positive will have them thinking they have cancer when they do not. Think of the stress and the additional unnecessary tests they will be exposed to because of this faulty test. The evidence is clear. The CA 125 is not recommended to use for determination of Ovarian Cancer. Joe C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2010 Report Share Posted May 24, 2010 Many people suffer with a vitamin D deficiency, whether hypo or not, and if you have been tested to show that you suffer such a deficiency, what vitamin D supplement are you taking and how much. You need to take high doses, preferably through prescription via your GP. Lack of symptoms or vague symptoms in the early stages of ovarian cancer is why the illness is known as the 'silent killer'. If there are symptoms, they can include stomach pain or a bloated feeling that can be confused with irritable bowel syndrome (IBS). Ovarian cysts and non-cancerous growths also cause the same symptoms as ovarian cancer. Other symptoms include: loss of appetite, unexplained weight gain, swelling of your tummy, pain during sex , changes in bowel or bladder habits - constipation, excess wind, diarrhoea or needing to pass urine more often and rarely, abnormal vaginal bleeding. This does not mean to say that if anybody does have those symptoms, they have ovarian cancer - such symptoms can be caused by many other conditions. See your doctor for testing immediately Sharon to put your mind at rest. Luv - Sheila I have been ordered by my mum to get tested for ovarian cancer, as she watched a programme and I am symptomatic.I had a hysterectomy just over 12 years ago but did not have my ovaries removed,as they only do that if they are cancerous.I have just looked briefly about it and they do say that you are more likely to get it if you have a vit D defficiency and I do have a vit D defficiency! Its just one thing after another! Would it also be linked to hypo,as ovaries are part of the endocrine system? Best wishes Sharon No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2888 - Release Date: 05/22/10 18:26:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2010 Report Share Posted November 25, 2010 Anything new on ovarian cancer -stage 2, Serous cell Ca. Completed Chemo 2 months ago, Pet scan normal and Ca-125 normal I'm pesco-vegetarian and at present with my green juice I take (Anamu)or so-called Guinea hen weed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2010 Report Share Posted November 25, 2010 Try qigong--Chinese internal energy exercises designed to foster the mind/body connection. It doesn't cost anything--just patience and practice. Taps the body's inner pharmacy. Clear 14 years and still practicing an hour a day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2010 Report Share Posted December 1, 2010 From my experience with both intravenous and oral Lipoic Acid, I'm not sure if it actually chelates copper that much really. I can't say I've seen that in blood tests. But it's still a good supplement for other purposes such as reducing neuropathy from chemos etc. Higher doses of zinc will definitely do it, and I've seen the results in many people over a few weeks by checking blood tests for copper. But it may not very fast. Generally I've used 150 mg per day Zinc Citrate between meals to get better absorption. Zinc Citrate is well tolerated. Another well tolerated form is Zinc as amino acid. Combined with Molybdenum should help speed up chelation. Supposedly the goal according to Dr Brewer, who originally developed the drug Tetrathiomolybdate for 's patients, is to reduce Copper to about 25 mcg/dl and Ceruloplasmin level to 5-7 mg/dl over a 70-90 day period. There's a detailed article here about copper and cancer, including info on zinc etc and TM: Tetrathiomolybdate Copper Reduction Therapy as an Antiangiogenic Treatment for Lymphoma and Other Cancers http://george-eby-research.com/html/anti_ang.html I've used The Prescription Center, Wayne Loveland pharmacist in Wisconsin for TM. Cost is $150 for 100 capsules of 20mg each. See contact details at bottom of article. We've been using 20 mg TM 3 times daily with food and 50 mg Zinc Citrate 1-3 times daily between meals. Check copper, ceruloplasmin, and blood counts (to prevent anemia) regularly. > > > > You might want to check your blood copper and zinc level. Many cancer > > patients have very high copper and low zinc levels. Copper is what > > tumors need to grow blood vessels and metastasize. > > > > A zinc supplement can chelate copper and bring the level down over time. > > Alternatively there is a safe antiangiogenic drug called > > Tetrathiomolybdate which is being used by some cancer clinics. A > > combination of TM and zinc is the best option in my opinion. Later zinc > > or a lower dose of TM can be used for maintenance. Copper levels tend to > > rise quickly again if therapy is discontinued. > > > > http://www.cancerprotocol.com/role_of_copper.html > > > > http://www.medicorcancer.com/amoniumTM.html > > > > Ideally this drug should be used in combination with another therapy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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