Guest guest Posted October 9, 2002 Report Share Posted October 9, 2002 Hi Ira, Here's a site by a real ADA dentist. He knows that mercury in amalgam fillings is poison and enters the body continuously and poisons the ones who have the fillings. He knows this because of 33 years of studying the subject and he tells all about what he has found out. http://www.hugnet.com/ Poison in any form must be avoided, whether in the form of too high a dose of something otherwise good for us such as Vitamin D or in the form of mercury - which is never good for us in any dose. Vince >From: " Ira L. son " <laser@...> > >I thought that Vince would be particularly interested in this paper. I >am posting it here because I thought others might like to see the other >side of the issue. It is put out by a non-establishment organization. > >Ira >============================== > >NCAHF Position Paper on Amalgam Fillings (2002) > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2002 Report Share Posted October 9, 2002 dear ira: here's an experiment we can all have fun with. trust the information in the article you just posted. find yourself a source of methylmercury vapor. carefully expose yourself to 50 mcg/ cubic litre (as was stated as the safety limit) then, if you are able to function at all as a human being in two years, report back to us your findings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2002 Report Share Posted October 9, 2002 Here's a website for a British mercury free dentist www.hallvtox.dircon.co.uk Best regards, ----- Original Message ----- From: V. Richter gallstones Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 8:32 AM Subject: Re: Amalgam reconsidered Hi Ira, Here's a site by a real ADA dentist. He knows that mercury in amalgam fillings is poison and enters the body continuously and poisons the ones who have the fillings. He knows this because of 33 years of studying the subject and he tells all about what he has found out. http://www.hugnet.com/ Poison in any form must be avoided, whether in the form of too high a dose of something otherwise good for us such as Vitamin D or in the form of mercury - which is never good for us in any dose. Vince >From: " Ira L. son " <laser@...> > >I thought that Vince would be particularly interested in this paper. I >am posting it here because I thought others might like to see the other >side of the issue. It is put out by a non-establishment organization. > >Ira >============================== > >NCAHF Position Paper on Amalgam Fillings (2002) > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2002 Report Share Posted October 9, 2002 Ira; I have a counter to the site you've presented by means of this site. http://www.home.earthlink.net/~berniew1/amalg6.html Simply put amalgams are dangerous because mercury is dangerous at any level of intake and especially as a vapor getting thorough the blood brain barrier; Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: Ira L. son gallstones Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 11:00 PM Subject: Amalgam reconsidered I thought that Vince would be particularly interested in this paper. I am posting it here because I thought others might like to see the other side of the issue. It is put out by a non-establishment organization. Ira ============================== NCAHF Position Paper on Amalgam Fillings (2002) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This statement was written in response to claims that the mercury content of amalgam fillings causes toxic amounts of mercury to enter the body. Advocates of this belief are seeking to ban amalgam use and to force dentists and dental organizations to compensate all persons who claim that amalgam has damaged their health. The National Council Against Health Fraud believes that amalgam fillings are safe, that anti-amalgam activities endanger public welfare, and that so-called " mercury-free dentistry " is substandard practice. NCAHF is a nonprofit consumer protection organization that promotes rational health care. This page and the PDF version of this paper are copyrighted but may be noncommercially reproduced with appropriate credit. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2002 Report Share Posted October 9, 2002 I live in Germany. Sweden has banned amalgam. Norway is seeking to ban it shortly. Most German dentists are not placing amalgam in teeth and especially not children. The UK Health Ministry has warned pregnant women and children not to have amalgams placed. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dale gallstones Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 6:45 PM Subject: Re: Amalgam reconsidered Ira; I have a counter to the site you've presented by means of this site. http://www.home.earthlink.net/~berniew1/amalg6.html Simply put amalgams are dangerous because mercury is dangerous at any level of intake and especially as a vapor getting thorough the blood brain barrier; Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: Ira L. son gallstones Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 11:00 PM Subject: Amalgam reconsidered I thought that Vince would be particularly interested in this paper. I am posting it here because I thought others might like to see the other side of the issue. It is put out by a non-establishment organization. Ira ============================== NCAHF Position Paper on Amalgam Fillings (2002) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This statement was written in response to claims that the mercury content of amalgam fillings causes toxic amounts of mercury to enter the body. Advocates of this belief are seeking to ban amalgam use and to force dentists and dental organizations to compensate all persons who claim that amalgam has damaged their health. The National Council Against Health Fraud believes that amalgam fillings are safe, that anti-amalgam activities endanger public welfare, and that so-called " mercury-free dentistry " is substandard practice. NCAHF is a nonprofit consumer protection organization that promotes rational health care. This page and the PDF version of this paper are copyrighted but may be noncommercially reproduced with appropriate credit. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2002 Report Share Posted October 9, 2002 The DAMS (Dental Amalgam Mercury Syndrome) chapter of Des Moines has published a book called " Solving the Puzzle of Mystery Syndromes " . My biologic dentist gives a copy to all his patients. It contains the testimonies of people with numerous health problems whose health returned to normal after removal of their fillings, or other biologic dentistry work. Even our regular dentist, who knows next to nothing about anything natural, will readily remove a patient's amalgam fillings if they request it, and he DOES NOT use amalgam fillings on children. So even some mainstream dentists are wising up. Colleen K. ----- Original Message ----- From: Griffiths gallstones Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 1:50 PM Subject: Re: Amalgam reconsidered I live in Germany. Sweden has banned amalgam. Norway is seeking to ban it shortly. Most German dentists are not placing amalgam in teeth and especially not children. The UK Health Ministry has warned pregnant women and children not to have amalgams placed. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dale gallstones Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 6:45 PM Subject: Re: Amalgam reconsidered Ira; I have a counter to the site you've presented by means of this site. http://www.home.earthlink.net/~berniew1/amalg6.html Simply put amalgams are dangerous because mercury is dangerous at any level of intake and especially as a vapor getting thorough the blood brain barrier; Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: Ira L. son gallstones Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 11:00 PM Subject: Amalgam reconsidered I thought that Vince would be particularly interested in this paper. I am posting it here because I thought others might like to see the other side of the issue. It is put out by a non-establishment organization. Ira ============================== NCAHF Position Paper on Amalgam Fillings (2002) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This statement was written in response to claims that the mercury content of amalgam fillings causes toxic amounts of mercury to enter the body. Advocates of this belief are seeking to ban amalgam use and to force dentists and dental organizations to compensate all persons who claim that amalgam has damaged their health. The National Council Against Health Fraud believes that amalgam fillings are safe, that anti-amalgam activities endanger public welfare, and that so-called " mercury-free dentistry " is substandard practice. NCAHF is a nonprofit consumer protection organization that promotes rational health care. This page and the PDF version of this paper are copyrighted but may be noncommercially reproduced with appropriate credit. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2002 Report Share Posted October 10, 2002 > Simply put amalgams are dangerous because mercury is dangerous at any > level of intake I fear that you are oversimplifying the matter as to make it absurd. From high-school chemistry, you are certainly aware of the difference between an element and an amalgam. For example, the article I posted explained that hydrogen as an element is an explosive gas, and oxygen as an element is a flammable gas. Put them together and you get water. In other words, no one disagrees that elemental mercury is a poison. But in its stable amalgam form, this is not the case. Again, read the article, and let us know if you disagree with any facts. Please state the facts, why you disagree, and what you regard the facts to be. --------------------------- IRA L. JACOBSON --------------------------- mailto:laser@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2002 Report Share Posted October 11, 2002 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Simply put amalgams are dangerous because mercury is dangerous at any > level of intake I fear that you are oversimplifying the matter as to make it absurd. From high-school chemistry, you are certainly aware of the difference between an element and an amalgam. For example, the article I posted explained that hydrogen as an element is an explosive gas, and oxygen as an element is a flammable gas. Put them together and you get water. In other words, no one disagrees that elemental mercury is a poison. But in its stable amalgam form, this is not the case. Again, read the article, and let us know if you disagree with any facts. Please state the facts, why you disagree, and what you regard the facts to be. --------------------------- IRA L. JACOBSON --------------------------- mailto:laser@... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ira; I appears once again that you've short sided yourself on this issue. I've pointed out in the past the understanding I have of what an amalgam is. There is a major difference between amalgamated gases such as we get with your quoted example of hydrogen and oxygen and metals such as mercury and silver or lead. The metal, in the case of mercury and whatever else is used, doesn't make for a very complete and healthy amalgam such as water. Talk about some old writing on the subject; http://art-bin.com/art/otalbot1882.html Quote from the page; " The first amalgams were composed of pure silver and mercury, manufactured by M. Taveau. Later, Dr. combined pure tin with a small quantity of cadmium, and Dr. Townsend formed an amalgam with four parts of silver to five parts of tin. Following these compositions came numerous others made from gold, silver, platinum, and tin, until to-day we have more than a hundred varieties in the market, varying slightly in metals and proportions, that each manufacturer may rightly claim an original preparation. " One man's notes with pictures from a low powered microscope http://www.cfspages.com/apical.html A letter; http://www.whale.to/d/haley.html Feeling a heavy headache?; http://www.meltdown.com/headache_print.htm I don't know about you but I would love to get out all the amalgams in my mouth, if I could afford to do so. However, I guess I'll just have to hope I can keep eating foods of which I feel will help to keep the mercury levels lower in my body than what it would be if I didn't eat the right foods. The site you posted is this; http://www.ncahf.org/pp/amalgampp.html Dale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2002 Report Share Posted October 11, 2002 Dear Ira, Let me tell you how stable dental mercury is. I was a dental assistant for over 9 years. When we applying a amalgam filling(a filling with mercury in it), if there was too much mercury in the mix we just simply squeezed the mercury amalgam mix in a cotton cloth and the excess mercury squeezed out to make for a dryer mix. Then the filling sets up and gets hard after a while depending how big the filling mix is. So, it does not surprise me to learn that the mercury can leach out of the filling over time, especially when temperatures vary in the mouth, that is unstable to me. Oh, and how does this vein apply to liver cleansing Ira. Jeanne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2002 Report Share Posted October 11, 2002 Ira, Sorry, but what you say below is false and your conclusion is wrong. What you say that is false is that if you put hydrogen and oxygen together you get water. The truth is that if YOU put oxygen and hydrogen together you get an explosion, because mixing the two does not provide the energy needed to make water and they maintain their propertys of flammability and explosiveness. Your conlusion that mixing a stable element like silver and a deadly poison like mercury makes the mixture stable is wrong. " Trapping " some of the mercury in a matrix of silver such as in amalgam fillings only prolongs the excape of the mercury into the body. This excape occures because of the thermometer effect. The mercury expands and contracts with temperature much more than the silver or other materials. The stresses that the mercury puts on the other materials in the amalgam are so tremendously strong that the filling can't keep the mercury trapped. The mixed up substances keep their individual properties and as soon as the mercury excapes it is STILL a deadly poison. Coincidentally with a main purpose of this discussion list the liver gets to try and remove the nerve toxin mercury from our body. Flushing and maintaining good liver health keeps us fighting to maintain ourselves toxin free. Please get your high school chemistry book back out and look up the difference between the molecule with a covalent bond called water and a mixture of hydrogen and oxygen. After you do that you will be much more able to understand the problem with amalgam fillings. Vince >From: " Ira L. son " <laser@...> > > > > Simply put amalgams are dangerous because mercury is dangerous at any > > level of intake > >I fear that you are oversimplifying the matter as to make it absurd. > > From high-school chemistry, you are certainly aware of the difference >between an element and an amalgam. For example, the article I posted >explained that hydrogen as an element is an explosive gas, and oxygen as >an element is a flammable gas. > >Put them together and you get water. > >In other words, no one disagrees that elemental mercury is a poison. But >in its stable amalgam form, this is not the case. Again, read the >article, and let us know if you disagree with any facts. Please state >the facts, why you disagree, and what you regard the facts to be. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2002 Report Share Posted October 11, 2002 http://www.sukel.com/mercury%20amalgam%20sillver%20fillings.htm I found this one Dentist's site that has both sides of the issue regarding amalgams being presented in a very brief format as the Safe and Unsafe views. This site to which I've pointed is for the purpose of showing simply that some countries have not accepted the ADA's, or Consumers Unions veiw of amalgams being safe. http://www.dentalpgh.com/newsletters/fall98/fall98_1.htm This is another site by a group of Dentists that avoid the use of amalgams and notes the countries that have banned its use. http://barque.freeyellow.com/merc.html A real good reason as to just why it is that the governments must back the use of amalgams$$$$ I'm curious as to how this case is doing and whether it's still going. Is anyone else aware of it? Dale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2002 Report Share Posted October 11, 2002 Ira, Sorry, but what you say below is false and your conclusion is wrong. What you say that is false is that if you put hydrogen and oxygen together you get water. The truth is that if YOU put oxygen and hydrogen together you get an explosion, because mixing the two does not provide the energy needed to make water and they maintain their propertys of flammability and explosiveness. Your conlusion that mixing a stable element like silver and a deadly poison like mercury makes the mixture stable is wrong. " Trapping " some of the mercury in a matrix of silver such as in amalgam fillings only prolongs the excape of the mercury into the body. This excape occures because of the thermometer effect. The mercury expands and contracts with temperature much more than the silver or other materials. The stresses that the mercury puts on the other materials in the amalgam are so tremendously strong that the filling can't keep the mercury trapped. The mixed up substances keep their individual properties and as soon as the mercury excapes it is STILL a deadly poison. Coincidentally with a main purpose of this discussion list the liver gets to try and remove the nerve toxin mercury from our body. Flushing and maintaining good liver health keeps us fighting to maintain ourselves toxin free. Please get your high school chemistry book back out and look up the difference between the molecule with a covalent bond called water and a mixture of hydrogen and oxygen. After you do that you will be much more able to understand the problem with amalgam fillings. Vince >From: " Ira L. son " <laser@...> > > > > Simply put amalgams are dangerous because mercury is dangerous at any > > level of intake > >I fear that you are oversimplifying the matter as to make it absurd. > > From high-school chemistry, you are certainly aware of the difference >between an element and an amalgam. For example, the article I posted >explained that hydrogen as an element is an explosive gas, and oxygen as >an element is a flammable gas. > >Put them together and you get water. > >In other words, no one disagrees that elemental mercury is a poison. But >in its stable amalgam form, this is not the case. Again, read the >article, and let us know if you disagree with any facts. Please state >the facts, why you disagree, and what you regard the facts to be. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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