Re: Re: For and others re Metaphysical Healing

[Guest guest]

The article is more scientistic speculation and infotainment. References

are listed but not a single one is from a peer-reviewed source. I tried to

follow the article but the logic was saltatory leading to an exciting

predetermined conclusion.

There is no question that far more goes on in this world than meets the eye.

Certainly we are in for many surprising, sometimes alarming, discoveries.

It takes much work to do the work of real science. It usually requires many

painstaking steps that must be replicated by others and subjected to every

kind of dispassionate criticism possible. Only then can the conclusions be

taken to the bank. This is even more important when the conclusions of

research are factored into the decision-making process of those whose lives

are on the line.

BTW, I don't think anyone can deny the importance of belief in determining

outcomes in both medicine and sports. Ability to rally belief is a powerful

tool for both clinicians and coaches.

> The full PDF can be downloaded at;

>

> http://www.scientificexploration.org/edgescience/edgescience_02.pdf

>

> Go to page 5 to start the article; " Breakthrough: Clues to Healing with

> Intention "

>

[Guest guest]

I strongly believe that CHEMO & RADIATION do a lot more harm then good.

Medical Marfia in this country is being exposed , enough said

Your Health Crusader

________________________________

From: Sandy <hollis302000@...>

Sent: Thu, January 27, 2011

Who and what are we to trust then? Haven't all of the traditional medical cancer

therapies i.e., chemo and radiation been peer reviewed and I believe by your own

admission do more harm than good? What about medications? Do they all have peer

reviewed sources? Whenever someone invokes the peer reviewed sources statement

these questions always come to my mind. IMO, just because something has peer

reviewed sources whether it be one or many does not necessarily mean they're

worth anything.

Did the treatments and medications you used to cure your cancer have peer

reviewed sources? Just curious.

For once I'm not just yanking your chain. (:

Sandy

[Guest guest]

I too read the article because when profound statements are made I ‘need’

to know what they are saying and if they are supported. I didn’t find

anything but what I expected to find and am still up-in-the-air about the

subject. I haven’t found anyone on this list that has not accepted that

emotions and the entire thought process can be, not ‘Must Be’, but can be

influential in healing or the lack thereof. Some believe that upwards of 80%

of all illness or perhaps, cancer are caused by stress. I firmly believe, and

it is a personal belief based upon my own situation, that there can be, not must

be, but can be a percentage of cancers influenced by emotions. I cannot yet

give the majority of cancer over to stress.

I often read “peer reviewed†material and if one really reviews them they

will find the lack of support for much of the ‘Standard of Care’ treatments

other than statistical. In fact it is Peer Reviewed material that convinces

me that much of the treatments are farcical but one has to read it and look for

what they are saying which is often clouded in unfamiliar terms.

I don’t think anyone is saying, “this (metaphysics) is all bunk†but by

the same time, I hope nobody is saying, “this is all validâ€. If there is

one field that opens the flood-gates of Wool Over The Eyes, this area is the

valve and charlatans abound........and that is too bad because it colors the

outlook for serious thought on the matter.. It was asked: “Who and what are

we to trust†and I say, nobody without research and much thought. It

doesn’t preclude us from exploring the subject and trying to improve our own

emotional outlooks.

We can ‘attack’ a subject and have some discussion about it but we should

not attack a person or we may ourselves be guilty of Poor Metaphysical

Practices’. During this discussion, an entire group of people was attacked,

by name, because of their supposed thinking as well as overly antagonistic

blurbs against individuals. Hardly a way to profess a stress-less attitude. I

am satisfied that enough has been said to either close the door on the matter or

open the windows to let in more fresh thought.

Joe C.

From: Sandy

Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 1:48 PM

Subject: [ ] RE: For and others re Metaphysical Healing

Who and what are we to trust then? Haven't all of the traditional medical cancer

therapies i.e., chemo and radiation been peer reviewed and I believe by your own

admission do more harm than good? What about medications? Do they all have peer

reviewed sources? Whenever someone invokes the peer reviewed sources statement

these questions always come to my mind. IMO, just because something has peer

reviewed sources whether it be one or many does not necessarily mean they're

worth anything.

Did the treatments and medications you used to cure your cancer have peer

reviewed sources? Just curious.

For once I'm not just yanking your chain. (:

Sandy

The article is more scientistic speculation and infotainment. References are

listed but not a single one is from a peer-reviewed source. I tried to follow

the article but the logic was saltatory leading to an exciting predetermined

conclusion.

There is no question that far more goes on in this world than meets the eye.

Certainly we are in for many surprising, sometimes alarming, discoveries.

It takes much work to do the work of real science. It usually requires many

painstaking steps that must be replicated by others and subjected to every kind

of dispassionate criticism possible. Only then can the conclusions be taken to

the bank. This is even more important when the conclusions of research are

factored into the decision-making process of those whose lives are on the line.

BTW, I don't think anyone can deny the importance of belief in determining

outcomes in both medicine and sports. Ability to rally belief is a powerful tool

for both clinicians and coaches.

------------------------------------------

> The full PDF can be downloaded at;

> http://www.scientificexploration.org/edgescience/edgescience_02.pdf

> Go to page 5 to start the article; " Breakthrough: Clues to Healing with

Intention "

>

[Guest guest]

I have never said that chemo and radiation do more harm than good. It all

depends on how wisely such tools are chosen. To use them willy nilly is

about like using guns and bullets willy nilly. Any poison in the right

hands can do much good. Eli successfully treated thousands of breast

cancers 100 years ago. As part of his protocol he always used strychnine.

No further comment necessary.

As to the rest of the question, peer review is an important part of science.

Though often flawed, it is far better than the alternative -- unwarranted

trust. Did I use meds or supplements that were not peer reviewed? Yes,

quite often, but none of my decisions were based on trust or intuition, they

were all based on very careful thinking, weighing, and decades of experience

with both cancer treatment and medicinal chemistry.

We have a Korean woman at the Center now who always refers to me as " The

, " which I think is terribly funny. Perhaps I should fold my hair

over like " The " ..!!

_____

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of Sandy

Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 10:49 AM

Subject: [ ] RE: For and others re Metaphysical Healing

Who and what are we to trust then? Haven't all of the traditional medical

cancer therapies i.e., chemo and radiation been peer reviewed and I believe

by your own admission do more harm than good? What about medications? Do

they all have peer reviewed sources? Whenever someone invokes the peer

reviewed sources statement these questions always come to my mind. IMO, just

because something has peer reviewed sources whether it be one or many does

not necessarily mean they're worth anything.

Did the treatments and medications you used to cure your cancer have peer

reviewed sources? Just curious.

For once I'm not just yanking your chain. (:

Sandy

[Guest guest]

Ask What Dr Leonard Coldwel and 90% of oncologists think of Chemo & Radiation

People should really read his book, The Only Answer To Cancer. Dr Coldwell has

cured over 35,000 people, the last 35 years.

Your Health Crusader

________________________________

From: Gammill <vgammill@...>

Sent: Fri, January 28, 2011 10:20:59 AM

Subject: RE: [ ] RE: For and others re Metaphysical Healing

I have never said that chemo and radiation do more harm than good. It all

depends on how wisely such tools are chosen. To use them willy nilly is

about like using guns and bullets willy nilly. Any poison in the right

hands can do much good. Eli successfully treated thousands of breast

cancers 100 years ago. As part of his protocol he always used strychnine.

No further comment necessary.

As to the rest of the question, peer review is an important part of science.

Though often flawed, it is far better than the alternative -- unwarranted

trust. Did I use meds or supplements that were not peer reviewed? Yes,

quite often, but none of my decisions were based on trust or intuition, they

were all based on very careful thinking, weighing, and decades of experience

with both cancer treatment and medicinal chemistry.

We have a Korean woman at the Center now who always refers to me as " The

, " which I think is terribly funny. Perhaps I should fold my hair

over like " The " ..!!

_____

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of Sandy

Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 10:49 AM

Subject: [ ] RE: For and others re Metaphysical Healing

Who and what are we to trust then? Haven't all of the traditional medical

cancer therapies i.e., chemo and radiation been peer reviewed and I believe

by your own admission do more harm than good? What about medications? Do

they all have peer reviewed sources? Whenever someone invokes the peer

reviewed sources statement these questions always come to my mind. IMO, just

because something has peer reviewed sources whether it be one or many does

not necessarily mean they're worth anything.

Did the treatments and medications you used to cure your cancer have peer

reviewed sources? Just curious.

For once I'm not just yanking your chain. (:

Sandy

[Guest guest]

As soon as I read anywhere about an “only†answer for anything, let alone

cancer, my skin begins to tingle. When I went to the site of this Coldwell

guy, my skin began to crawl. Most of the people on this list already know

about Chemotherapy, at least if they’ve been here for a while, so there’s

no need to buy into what Coldwell thinks about Chemotherapy. As for

Coldwell’s site? It would be the last site I would encourage list members to

go to because it is loaded with extremist political views and has no place on

The Cancer Cured List. That should be left to political pundits and their

sites.

If there’s a trend in speech I try not to use it is the “this is the only

does this†or something “always causes †or “Neverâ€. Those

words have no place in Cancer treatments or education. I would hope that if

Moderators see this person’s site bandied about they give serious thought as

to whether or not it should be included in posts because if one wants to avoid

stress, avoid Coldwell’s site and if his book leads one to his site or his

brand of thinking...........avoid that too.

JC

[Guest guest]

and list,

Are you sure she did not call you " the ius " ?

I wholeheartedly agree with what you wrote.

Any decision on cancer treatment/s should be based on cost/benefit evaluation.

this should always be done after gathering valuable information, sorthing it

out, weighing it and deciding on the basis of pure rational/logic. The

acceptance/rejection of any treatment, conventional/alternetive treatment should

not be based on gut or emotional feelings.

Gubi

RE: [ ] RE: For and others re Metaphysical Healing

I have never said that chemo and radiation do more harm than good. It all

depends on how wisely such tools are chosen. To use them willy nilly is

about like using guns and bullets willy nilly. Any poison in the right

hands can do much good. Eli successfully treated thousands of breast

cancers 100 years ago. As part of his protocol he always used strychnine.

No further comment necessary.

As to the rest of the question, peer review is an important part of science.

Though often flawed, it is far better than the alternative -- unwarranted

trust. Did I use meds or supplements that were not peer reviewed? Yes,

quite often, but none of my decisions were based on trust or intuition, they

were all based on very careful thinking, weighing, and decades of experience

with both cancer treatment and medicinal chemistry.

We have a Korean woman at the Center now who always refers to me as " The

, " which I think is terribly funny. Perhaps I should fold my hair

over like " The " ..!!

_____

[Guest guest]

,

35,000 cancer patients " cured " in 35 years is just too darn amazing!

A quick calculation tells me this means seeing a 1,000 NEW patients a year or

3.5 new patients a day (calculated based on the pretty high estimation of 300

work days a year).

When one considers that these only include the success ( " cured " ) patients, I

would think that in calculating his TOTAL number of new patients per day, we

can safely double this figure. You see, even 50% " cure " rate with cancer is

extremely impressive, and far exceeds conventional treamet " cure " rate.

So, assuming Dr. Coldwel, has not meticulously pre screened his new patients as

to only accept stage 1 & 2 patients, my calculations tell me that he has seen 7

NEW patients every day. When one adds to that, the time a doctor/prectitioner

has to spend on monitoring/treating/following up on old patients, this surely

makes Dr. Coldwel some amazing doctor. Don't you think?

Gubi

[ ] RE: For and others re Metaphysical Healing

Who and what are we to trust then? Haven't all of the traditional medical

cancer therapies i.e., chemo and radiation been peer reviewed and I believe

by your own admission do more harm than good? What about medications? Do

they all have peer reviewed sources? Whenever someone invokes the peer

reviewed sources statement these questions always come to my mind. IMO, just

because something has peer reviewed sources whether it be one or many does

not necessarily mean they're worth anything.

Did the treatments and medications you used to cure your cancer have peer

reviewed sources? Just curious.

For once I'm not just yanking your chain. (:

Sandy

[Guest guest]

How refreshing to have someone say, “I think†rather than shove some

thought down our throats as ‘Gospel’. is right and my wife, who could

care less about Alternative anything but is forced to live in my world to some

degree always ‘faces’ issues head on.

Me? I have been Paying Tolls On Bridges I Never Came To all of my life and

while that is different from what is speaking to, the principle of

addressing a problem and recognizing can be a release of the stress.

I believe many of us would agree that Stress is something we should try to do

without but some stress is normal. It’s the stress over things we have

control over that needs to be handled and reduced not amplified. At least

did not say, all you need to do is reduce stress. A Professor at a

South Florida University told my daughter-in-law, “do all you can yourself to

deal with your breast cancer†and he added, “lots of greens etcâ€. So

add the aspect of dealing with emotions but be sure to ‘Do All You Can

Yourself’ not just rely upon some person’s one-fix-all-answer.

Joe C.

How to apply German New Medicine on your own, I think its fairly easy to do.

I think this is a good idea to do anyway, even if your are cured from any

Cancer. It will reduce the emotional impact from those past times in your life

and allow you to heal in the present.

2-time Cancer survivor

[Guest guest]

Joe:

What I am finding out is that there is such a thing as good stress and bad

stress. Knowing the difference and dealing with the bad stress in a better way

is helpful. Every person needs to find what works for them. Not everyone is

the

same. There quite a few ways to reduce stress, EFT, meditation, yoga, music,

reike, etc. My wife was told meditation would not work for her. However there

are different types of meditation and she did find one that seems to work. So to

dismiss one type with out exploring the different forms will leave

out something

that may be useful. I would think the crab in the fish shipment can be

classified as a good stress.

I remember years ago there was a race car driver nicked named Fireball

. He raced with one hand resting on the door. Doctors put a heart

monitor

on him and several other race car drivers. His heart beat was just a bit above

normal while the others doing the exact same thing had elevated heart

beats. All

were seasoned race car drivers doing the exact same thing but their stress

levels and heart rate were different. 

Vic  

________________________________

[Guest guest]

Gubi,

There was one herbalist doc who had far more cured patients than Coldwell.

This doc would make many church appearances and count the size of the

congregation as " cures. " Obviously he could teach Coldwell a thing or two

about tallying successes.

_____

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of Gubi

Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 2:27 AM

Subject: Re: [ ] RE: For and others re Metaphysical

Healing

,

35,000 cancer patients " cured " in 35 years is just too darn amazing!

A quick calculation tells me this means seeing a 1,000 NEW patients a year

or 3.5 new patients a day (calculated based on the pretty high estimation of

300 work days a year).

When one considers that these only include the success ( " cured " ) patients, I

would think that in calculating his TOTAL number of new patients per day, we

can safely double this figure. You see, even 50% " cure " rate with cancer is

extremely impressive, and far exceeds conventional treamet " cure " rate.

So, assuming Dr. Coldwel, has not meticulously pre screened his new patients

as to only accept stage 1 & 2 patients, my calculations tell me that he has

seen 7 NEW patients every day. When one adds to that, the time a

doctor/prectitioner has to spend on monitoring/treating/following up on old

patients, this surely makes Dr. Coldwel some amazing doctor. Don't you

think?

Gubi

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