Guest guest Posted March 2, 1999 Report Share Posted March 2, 1999 Liz, I'm sorry you're feeling so down. I know you said you don't feel up to exercising, but could you possibly take a little walk, even if you have to get someone to come along to help you. I felt lousy last week but made myself go for a walk and I did feel better afterwards. I find a little fresh air and exercise really helps my mood, even if I am hurting. I also tend to watch comedies if I start getting depressed -- a little laugh helps. Or sometimes I'll rent a movie with some inspirational topic and try to get inspired. Mainly, I try to do something to stop the depression before it gets out of control. Try to do something nice for yourself or someone else and you might find it helps make you feel better. I know how rotten you feel (I have a tendency to run a fever, too) but remember, it will get better, make yourself as comfortable as possible in the meantime and try to find something to laugh about. I hope you start feeling better soon. a rheumatic Thanks and a question Thank you all for your welcomes and for filling me in on the downside of newsgroups. I'm new at all this and really appreciate the patience and support and knowledge you are sharing and hope I didn't stir up any sour memories of past abuses. Now I've got a medical question for you all. I'm flaring big time right now. Every muscle and joint is hurting, I've got about 100 fever and I keep crying over the stupidest things. I know all this is to be expected and is a good sign for the treatment, but yuck! I was wondering if anyone has any suggestions about something for depression. I can't take prescription anti-depressants, they're too strong for me and mess me up good. And I can't exercise because I just feel too lousy to face the pain right now. Any hot tips for raising the serotonin levels gently? LizG << File: ATT00060.htm >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 1999 Report Share Posted March 2, 1999 Liz, There's a great book called Natural Prosac by Dr. on and talks about diet and music and activities that naturally enhance the production of serotonin. I think there's something to it! You might also try some mindfulness meditation. I recommend a book " Full Catastrophe Living " by Jon Kabat-Zinn. Hope one of these help and you're feeling better soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 1999 Report Share Posted March 3, 1999 Hi Liz: I hate taking antidepressants too but was considering them til recently. After what I have been reading about Prozac setting off RA I don't know that I trust any of them now. Some people have had success with St. 's Wort but I wouldn't take it unless you were under supervision of a natureopath. If you have RA you don't need more problems. Also someone posted a list a while back of how to raise your spirits, and I think some of them were to: put on some music you especially love, get your hair done, or a manicure or better get both, have a bubble bath. I get a lift taking my dog for a walk down to our field that has our artisian well. She is so happy to bark at the overflow of water running down the hill into the creek. It just raises my spirits watching her. Spring is coming too so no more snow shovelling. About 20 days of winter left. Hurray!! I hope you are feeling better knowing we are here to give you warm wishes and hugs. :>) Have a nice night! Bev rheumatic Thanks and a question Thank you all for your welcomes and for filling me in on the downside of newsgroups. I'm new at all this and really appreciate the patience and support and knowledge you are sharing and hope I didn't stir up any sour memories of past abuses. Now I've got a medical question for you all. I'm flaring big time right now. Every muscle and joint is hurting, I've got about 100 fever and I keep crying over the stupidest things. I know all this is to be expected and is a good sign for the treatment, but yuck! I was wondering if anyone has any suggestions about something for depression. I can't take prescription anti-depressants, they're too strong for me and mess me up good. And I can't exercise because I just feel too lousy to face the pain right now. Any hot tips for raising the serotonin levels gently? LizG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 1999 Report Share Posted March 3, 1999 My information is that St. 's Wort can be dangerous if taken by people who are on seritonin uptake inhibitors such as Prozac, Paxel, Zoloft, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 1999 Report Share Posted March 3, 1999 Hi all, Question... Given that Prozac is questionable about it's possible influences to RA, when I quit taking Prozac because of the cost, my OB/GYN told me to try St. 's Wort because it was the same thing, only less potent. If that's the case, wouldn't St. 's Wort possibly cause the same RA symptoms as the Prozac? Anyone out there have any clue? Thanks, Debra Jolly wrote: > > From: " Jolly " <denisej@...> > > My information is that St. 's Wort can be dangerous if taken by people > who are on seritonin uptake inhibitors such as Prozac, Paxel, Zoloft, etc. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > If you like orange and blue, then you will love our new web site! > > Onelist: ing connections and information exchange Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 1999 Report Share Posted March 5, 1999 , HI! You're famous! I read about you in thre anger article in Arthrtitis Today! How great that you do that kind of work! Did you know the writier? Well, I really needed that article today! I just got back from getting 2 cortisone shots in hand and last week two in sholder due to a severe acute tendonitis and I am really angry. I thought I was sad about the RA, but I'm angry now and I know I have to come to terms with it, but it feels good, and like progress just admitting how angry I am. i guess what I'm most angry about is that I have always been a high energy person, and I love to " do. " I have my own business and I have been trying to markeyt my services and all that has fallen apart since I've been feeling lousy. I have to give a speech in two weeks and I am so preoccupied with what's going on in my body (worrying) and so tired from the emotional and physical roller-coaster (though I know it could be tons worse) that I just don't havew left over energy to do anything other than work. SooooooooooooooI I'm angry at my limitations, But I guess I'll come to terms with it, though I'll continue to fight for health, like we all are, by doing the right things medically, with diet etc. Keep up the good work!And thanks for letting me vent...as if you had a choice :>) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 1999 Report Share Posted March 6, 1999 My first reaction to my diagnoses was anger and when I found AP I was just looking for a Dr to fight. Nothing like a good battle to get you feeling better. Anyway my GP whimped right out and gave me what I wanted. Now I just don't want to anger him until I get him replaced. I was really in the mood for a good fight when I saw him then, i was kind of disappointed. My husband has enough sense to just let me do what I want with this--smart man. Can you post the article? SEG14@... wrote: > > From: SEG14@... > > , > HI! You're famous! I read about you in thre anger article in Arthrtitis > Today! > How great that you do that kind of work! > Did you know the writier? > Well, I really needed that article today! I just got back from getting 2 > cortisone shots in hand and last week two in sholder due to a severe acute > tendonitis and I am really angry. I thought I was sad about the RA, but I'm > angry now and I know I have to come to terms with it, but it feels good, and > like progress just admitting how angry I am. > i guess what I'm most angry about is that I have always been a high energy > person, and I love to " do. " I have my own business and I have been trying to > markeyt my services and all that has fallen apart since I've been feeling > lousy. I have to give a speech in two weeks and I am so preoccupied with > what's going on in my body (worrying) and so tired from the emotional and > physical roller-coaster (though I know it could be tons worse) that I just > don't havew left over energy to do anything other than work. SooooooooooooooI > I'm angry at my limitations, But I guess I'll come to terms with it, though > I'll continue to fight for health, like we all are, by doing the right things > medically, with diet etc. > Keep up the good work!And thanks for letting me vent...as if you had a choice > :>) > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription > to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at and > select the Member Center link from the menu bar on the left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 1999 Report Share Posted March 6, 1999 you have the right attitude to fight this disease. Pretty bad situation when we expect to have a fight with a doctor to request AP. I heard on the news because of the internet more people are finding alternative treatment and demanding their doctors let them try them. Sounds like us and the folks here blazed the trail for us in a lot of cases. Don't ever stop fighting for yourself. Love Bev Re: rheumatic Re: Thanks and a question >My first reaction to my diagnoses was anger and when I found AP I was >just looking for a Dr to fight. Nothing like a good battle to get you >feeling better. Anyway my GP whimped right out and gave me what I >wanted. Now I just don't want to anger him until I get him replaced. I >was really in the mood for a good fight when I saw him then, i was kind >of disappointed. My husband has enough sense to just let me do what I >want with this--smart man. > >Can you post the article? > > > >SEG14@... wrote: >> >> From: SEG14@... >> >> , >> HI! You're famous! I read about you in thre anger article in Arthrtitis >> Today! >> How great that you do that kind of work! >> Did you know the writier? >> Well, I really needed that article today! I just got back from getting 2 >> cortisone shots in hand and last week two in sholder due to a severe acute >> tendonitis and I am really angry. I thought I was sad about the RA, but I'm >> angry now and I know I have to come to terms with it, but it feels good, and >> like progress just admitting how angry I am. >> i guess what I'm most angry about is that I have always been a high energy >> person, and I love to " do. " I have my own business and I have been trying to >> markeyt my services and all that has fallen apart since I've been feeling >> lousy. I have to give a speech in two weeks and I am so preoccupied with >> what's going on in my body (worrying) and so tired from the emotional and >> physical roller-coaster (though I know it could be tons worse) that I just >> don't havew left over energy to do anything other than work. SooooooooooooooI >> I'm angry at my limitations, But I guess I'll come to terms with it, though >> I'll continue to fight for health, like we all are, by doing the right things >> medically, with diet etc. >> Keep up the good work!And thanks for letting me vent...as if you had a choice >> :>) >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription >> to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at and >> select the Member Center link from the menu bar on the left. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2003 Report Share Posted February 7, 2003 After the flush that I do, using the Hulda method, there is nothing left for an enema or colonic to remove. The epsom salts give me diarhea that lasts about 2/3 of the next day. An enema or colonic would be better before the flush, but I have not had to do that either. Vince >From: " fastflusher <fastflusher@...> " <fastflusher@...> >Reply-gallstones >gallstones >Subject: Thanks and a Question >Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 15:02:53 -0000 > >Thanks for the replies re a liver flush. I looked at The Amazing >Liver Cleanse book at Amazon.com and am going to see if I can find it >at my bookstore. My question.....is it absolutely necessary to do a >colonic irrigation or enema after the flush? I know of some >therapists in my area who do the irrigation but I have doing some >other colon cleansing things and really don't want to get into the >irrigations right now. I don't have the necessary equipment or >knowledge for the enemas. Thanks > _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2003 Report Share Posted February 7, 2003 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> After the flush that I do, using the Hulda method, there is nothing left for an enema or colonic to remove. The epsom salts give me diarhea that lasts about 2/3 of the next day. An enema or colonic would be better before the flush, but I have not had to do that either. Vince >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vince; Actually there is stuff to be removed. A colonic will not only remove but add, it adds hydration to the body so that it's got more water. This then will also help in getting the liver to do more dumping. When a person does liver dumps after having done some time of fasting or a cleanse like using Epsom Salts it's pretty amazing what you see happening with the various colors that may show of various dumps that will happen. A liver dump feels pretty much like when you have diarrhea. The one thing colonics don't do is add electrolytes so it's really a good thing to have some type of electrolyte replenishment after colonics, or flushes using Epsom Salts, as both will drain the body of needed minerals. Dale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2003 Report Share Posted February 7, 2003 THanks, Dale. So the colonic is not really to empty your bowel further, although I'm sure it would do it if someone was impacted enough, but to flush the liver further and add fluid? Vince >From: " Dale " <Da_@...> >Reply-gallstones ><gallstones > >Subject: Re: Thanks and a Question >Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 08:05:45 -0800 > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >After the flush that I do, using the Hulda method, there is nothing >left for an enema or colonic to remove. The epsom salts give me diarhea >that >lasts about 2/3 of the next day. An enema or colonic would be better >before >the flush, but I have not had to do that either. > >Vince > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >Vince; > >Actually there is stuff to be removed. A colonic will not only remove but >add, it adds hydration to the body so that it's got more water. This then >will also help in getting the liver to do more dumping. When a person does >liver dumps after having done some time of fasting or a cleanse like using >Epsom Salts it's pretty amazing what you see happening with the various >colors that may show of various dumps that will happen. A liver dump feels >pretty much like when you have diarrhea. The one thing colonics don't do is >add electrolytes so it's really a good thing to have some type of >electrolyte replenishment after colonics, or flushes using Epsom Salts, as >both will drain the body of needed minerals. > >Dale > _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2003 Report Share Posted February 8, 2003 Yes, adding fluid along with electrolytes is really sorely needed after flushing and colonics or enemas go a long way towards this end, not for adding electrolytes but fluid. Electrolytes can be added by means of mineral supplements or a specific product for that purpose. Gatorade is for that purpose but has way too much sugar. Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: V. Richter gallstones Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 10:24 AM Subject: Re: Thanks and a Question THanks, Dale. So the colonic is not really to empty your bowel further, although I'm sure it would do it if someone was impacted enough, but to flush the liver further and add fluid? Vince >From: " Dale " <Da_@...> >Reply-gallstones ><gallstones > >Subject: Re: Thanks and a Question >Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 08:05:45 -0800 > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >After the flush that I do, using the Hulda method, there is nothing >left for an enema or colonic to remove. The epsom salts give me diarhea >that >lasts about 2/3 of the next day. An enema or colonic would be better >before >the flush, but I have not had to do that either. > >Vince > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >Vince; > >Actually there is stuff to be removed. A colonic will not only remove but >add, it adds hydration to the body so that it's got more water. This then >will also help in getting the liver to do more dumping. When a person does >liver dumps after having done some time of fasting or a cleanse like using >Epsom Salts it's pretty amazing what you see happening with the various >colors that may show of various dumps that will happen. A liver dump feels >pretty much like when you have diarrhea. The one thing colonics don't do is >add electrolytes so it's really a good thing to have some type of >electrolyte replenishment after colonics, or flushes using Epsom Salts, as >both will drain the body of needed minerals. > >Dale > _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2005 Report Share Posted November 9, 2005 things that help a 10 day old baby? LOVE, LOVE, LOVE =) Right now, don't worry about all of that other stuff. It can take time to get it all set up. So, just enjoy your baby and coo, hug, snuggle, sing, kiss, and love away... Kym...mom to 5 including (8ds) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2005 Report Share Posted November 9, 2005 things that help a 10 day old baby? LOVE, LOVE, LOVE =) Right now, don't worry about all of that other stuff. It can take time to get it all set up. So, just enjoy your baby and coo, hug, snuggle, sing, kiss, and love away... Kym...mom to 5 including (8ds) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2005 Report Share Posted November 9, 2005 and don't forget FOOD!!! karen in dallas Re: thanks and a question > things that help a 10 day old baby? > LOVE, LOVE, LOVE =) > > Right now, don't worry about all of that other stuff. It can take time to > get it all set up. So, just enjoy your baby and coo, hug, snuggle, sing, > kiss, and love away... > Kym...mom to 5 including (8ds) > > > > > > Click reply to all for messages to go to the list. Just hit reply for messages to go to the sender of the message. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2005 Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 What used to be the routine when Jess was born was starting early intervention asap. Jess, now 16, started at about 2 months and could have started even a little sooner if the paperwork hadn't been a 2 month process. We went to a center, but a lot is done at home now, I think. Once a week with an early childhood teacher, OT, and PT. By about 4 months, there was also someone looking at oral things and beginning speech, but I don't remember whether it was an SLP. Mostly stimulation, encouraging exploration, guiding movement (fine and gross) for quality, and oral things like feeding and blowing raspberries are what I remember. It used to be recommended that speech therapy began by 18 months. Ten day old babies mostly sleep, and spend a lot of waking time being fed and having diapers changed. ; ) Those are good times for interaction and loving them. Be sure a good pediatrician is on board and addresses any medical issues appropriately, including any difficulties with feeding. Parents should take care of themselves and their relationship and any other children. Parents, especially mom, getting enough rest is also good for baby's health. If you feel inclined, you can start doing research (http://www.altonweb.com/cs/downsyndrome/index.htm and http://www.ndss.org/ are two good overview / intro sites with links to other good sites) so you'll be aware of resources and planning needs and can share with parents. Finding a good support group can be helpful or at least a parent or two to connect with (I mean in parents area as well as on-line). The most important thing at that age is to enjoy your nephew and welcome him to the family just like you would any other new addition. As you wrote, he is a 10-day old baby--who just happens to also have ds. Judi thanks and a question Dear Members, Thank you very much for your welcoming words. I have a question: Did your kids start with early intervention? When? What kind? At home? What things may help a 10-day-old baby? Thanks a lot! pato Jáuregui patojauregui@... --------------------------------- Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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