Re: Re: WOW - CHYMOTRIPSIN WHoops -- dead wrong

[Guest guest]

But if you are allergic to either papain or bromelain (pineapple or papaya) you

will do the opposite to your body.

Johanne

From: Bag

Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 11:47 AM

Subject: [ ] Re: WOW - CHYMOTRIPSIN WHoops -- dead wrong

Papain from papaya and bromelain from pineapple are both more powerful than

chymotripsin acc. to Dr. Murray.

Warning: Tropical fruits are high in sugar, eat with moderation.

[Guest guest]

Well, I can tell you having battled hard for a good 12 years with 5 types of

cancers in my youth that I took bromelain and papain as a vegan vegetarian (this

was only to heal) for 10 years. I tested severely allergic to both compounds

and it destroyed my gut. All along, I thought I was doing the healthy decision

with my foods and supplements. It nearly cost me my life. I am over this now for

14 years but really am convinced that an intelligent analysis of the foods one

eats is the basis for the healing plan.

Johanne

From: jrrjim

Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 11:53 AM

Subject: [ ] Re: WOW - CHYMOTRIPSIN WHoops -- dead wrong

Yes, but is he or she right? A lot of people say a lot of things it

appears.

>

> Papain from papaya and bromelain from pineapple are both more

powerful than chymotripsin acc. to Dr. Murray.

> Warning: Tropical fruits are high in sugar, eat with moderation.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Jim,

I already emailed you privately.

I am stepping out for a few hours.

Just look at what I sent you.

Johanne

From: jrrjim

Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 12:00 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: WOW - CHYMOTRIPSIN WHoops -- dead wrong

How do I get tested for food allergies?

> >

> > Papain from papaya and bromelain from pineapple are both more

> powerful than chymotripsin acc. to Dr. Murray.

> > Warning: Tropical fruits are high in sugar, eat with moderation.

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

The food is not the problem, the supplementation is. The supplementation should

stop the cell division and it is not it appears.

J

From: jrrjim

Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 1:40 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: WOW - CHYMOTRIPSIN WHoops -- dead wrong

Are you doing LDN, oleander, artemisinin, FO/CC? Or just food?

> > Well, I can tell you having battled hard for a good 12 years with

5 types of cancers in my youth that I took bromelain and papain as a

vegan vegetarian (this was only to heal) for 10 years. I tested

severely allergic to both compounds and it destroyed my gut. All

along, I thought I was doing the healthy decision with my foods and

supplements. It nearly cost me my life. I am over this now for 14

years but really am convinced that an intelligent analysis of the

foods one eats is the basis for the healing plan. Johanne

> >

>

> So, what if I'm eating all the right metabolic foods and staying

off the MT allergic foods and cancer is still progressing? I just

got results of an MRI that show this to be the case unfortunately.

>

> xxoo

>

>

[Guest guest]

Good question......I think in my practice it is 50?50.

Personally, I was able to conquer breast, cervical, melanoma, ovarian being a

vegan.

But the brain tumor just wouldn't go and almost killed me.

Decided to do metabolic typing and added a little chicken (no red meat) and

fish. Decided to eat a small dessert that I made - all organic - once in a

while.

Got on Protocel 50 and just braced myself the the fight of my life. Well, for 4

months it was and then, I got better day by day.

That was 14 years ago.

Johanne

PS: I would seriously divorce myself from diet drinks though! Please don't drink

that poison......Have fun other ways...

From: jrrjim

Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 2:05 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: WOW - CHYMOTRIPSIN WHoops -- dead wrong

How important do you think each is?

Let's say someone is sort of so-so on the diet -- this person does

avoid all meat (except salmon) has a couple of eggs a week, no sugar,

no refined flour, keeps the body generally alkaline (per ph strips)

but does slip up a bit now and then -- an ounce or two of cheddar, a

few sips of diet soda, some imitation meat made of soy occasionally,

some whole wheat bread...

But this person is very diligent with the supplements -- artemix,

oleander, IP6, bloodroot, beta glucan, LDN, iodine, pancreatin, liver

herbs, etc.

Which is more important -- the cancer killing supplements or a

perfect diet? Or they about 50 / 50?

> > > Well, I can tell you having battled hard for a good 12 years

with

> 5 types of cancers in my youth that I took bromelain and papain as

a

> vegan vegetarian (this was only to heal) for 10 years. I tested

> severely allergic to both compounds and it destroyed my gut. All

> along, I thought I was doing the healthy decision with my foods and

> supplements. It nearly cost me my life. I am over this now for 14

> years but really am convinced that an intelligent analysis of the

> foods one eats is the basis for the healing plan. Johanne

> > >

> >

> > So, what if I'm eating all the right metabolic foods and staying

> off the MT allergic foods and cancer is still progressing? I just

> got results of an MRI that show this to be the case unfortunately.

> >

> > xxoo

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dr has repeatedly stated that the enzymes he uses in his successful

adaptation of Kelley and Beard's work are NOT available as a retail

supplement; he has had enough quality control problems just getting supplies

for his patients. These enzymes are NOT, despite what this link implies, the

same as as those used in any studes by him or Dr Kelley.

It is very sick that someone is using Dr Kelley's name (now that he has

passed away and can't stop them) to sell $225 supplements (and that's the

" sale " price ?!?!?!?!)

Dr 's website is still running this statement:

" We also want to emphasize that in our practice we prescribe, and in the

pilot study and in the animal experiments we used a formulation of

pancreatic proteolytic enzymes made to our strict specifications. These

enzymes are available only to our patients, and are not available over the

Internet or in health food stores. In our experience, quality, manufacturing

methods, and composition vary widely among commercially available

preparations of proteolytic enzymes. The results of our studies cannot be

used as validation for any other product, whether obtained from a health

food store, a pharmacy or an Internet source. "

http://www.dr-gonzalez.com/history_of_treatment.htm Accessed Feb 20, 2009.

Chymozyme Plus " recommended by Kelley " ? Really? I'd like to see evidence of

that recommendation. They are BOVINE enzymes and Dr , who has

developed Kelley's work, uses PORCINE enzymes.

Also bear in mind that while the porcine pancreatic enzyme used by

have been identified as " the first experimentally and clinically proven

agent for the effective treatment of PC (pancreatic cancer) " the treatment

protocol for humans involves much more than just popping up to 45 grams of

enzymes a day. http://www.dr-gonzalez.com/history_of_treatment.htm

From: " Leonard "

< >

Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 7:13 AM

Subject: [ ] Re: WOW - CHYMOTRIPSIN WHoops -- dead wrong

> I've been reading about enzyme treatment of cancer for 9 yrs.

> Papain and bromelain may be more powerful than chymotrypsin for

> certain things, but certainly not for healing cancer.

> And I don't think you can get adequate (cancer-healing) dosages from

> eating the fruit, not to mention the problem w/the sugar. Though I

> still think papaya's valuable for cancer patients to eat.

> Healing cancer w/enzymes requires very high dosages of a HIGH-QUALITY enzyme

product that's specifically appropriate for healing cancer, and must be taken on

empty stomach. I believe the best brand is www.2line.com/drkelleyHOT.html

(expensive)

> and 2nd best is Pancreas Pork by Nutricology.com (much less expensive). My 3rd

choice would be Chymozyme Plus (www.dewsnatural.com or www.dews21.com;

recommended by Kelley)

[Guest guest]

I'm not sure what you are asking me. I just really wanted to make the point

that the " Dr Kelley " enzymes, if that is what they are, are NOT the enzymes

being used by Dr in his research and successful treatment of

pancreatic cancer, although the website selling the Dr Kelley enzymes

suggests that they are.

I was also just putting a reminder out there that both the Kelley protocol

and Dr 's modified Kelley protocol do not just use pancreatic

enzymes but also specific inidividualised diets (Kelley invented the first

form of metabolic typing), heavy detoxification and literally hundreds of

tablets/capsules of other nutritional supplements a day - also

INDIVIDUALISED for each patient.

As to Univase Forte specifically - there's not enough information given on

the website to be able to make any judgement about them. It doesn't say

what the source is, nor how they are prepared. Quality is really important.

And I don't know enough about this to know whether a-chymotrypsin really is

a benefit or not. Given that we need massive anounts of these enzymes to

make a difference in cancer, the more bang for your buck you can get the

better, obviously, but we need to be sure the things are biologically active

AND free of contaminants.

From: " jrrjim "

So what do you think about the Univase Forte product, which has about 15x the

amount of chymotripsin as any other supplement, and is

affordable?

" Simon " <otherwize@...> wrote:

>Dr has repeatedly stated that the enzymes he uses in his

successful adaptation of Kelley and Beard's work are NOT available as a retail

supplement; he has had enough quality control problems just getting supplies for

his patients. These enzymes are NOT, despite what this link implies, the same as

as those used in any studes by him or Dr Kelley.

[Guest guest]

What do you think of Alkaline Water? Leon

Good question.... ..I think in my practice it is 50?50.

Personally, I was able to conquer breast, cervical, melanoma, ovarian being a

vegan.

But the brain tumor just wouldn't go and almost killed me.

Decided to do metabolic typing and added a little chicken (no red meat) and

fish. Decided to eat a small dessert that I made - all organic - once in a

while.

Got on Protocel 50 and just braced myself the the fight of my life. Well, for 4

months it was and then, I got better day by day.

That was 14 years ago.

Johanne

PS: I would seriously divorce myself from diet drinks though! Please don't drink

that poison...... Have fun other ways...

[Guest guest]

wrote:

> cimetidine

Tagamet. Is this helping your reflux? Does it also repair?