Re: WOW - CHYMOTRIPSIN WHoops -- dead wrong

[Guest guest]

My apologies -- a bad misread on this -- the product contains 2 mg of

chymotripsin, not 200 mg. Big mistake. Ignore the previous post.

>

> I just found this on iherb:

>

> Inflamase ($14 for 90)

>

> Double phase enteric coated -- ph release.

>

> 200 mg of chymotripsin per pill. 200 MG PER PILL!!!

>

> Now -- can anyone tell me why not?

>

[Guest guest]

Papain from papaya and bromelain from pineapple are both more powerful than

chymotripsin acc. to Dr. Murray.

Warning:  Tropical fruits are high in sugar, eat with moderation.

[Guest guest]

Yes, but is he or she right? A lot of people say a lot of things it

appears.

>

> Papain from papaya and bromelain from pineapple are both more

powerful than chymotripsin acc. to Dr. Murray.

> Warning:  Tropical fruits are high in sugar, eat with moderation.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

How do I get tested for food allergies?

> >

> > Papain from papaya and bromelain from pineapple are both more

> powerful than chymotripsin acc. to Dr. Murray.

> > Warning: Tropical fruits are high in sugar, eat with moderation.

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I've been reading about enzyme treatment of cancer for 9 yrs.

Papain and bromelain may be more powerful than chymotrypsin for

certain things, but certainly not for healing cancer.

And I don't think you can get adequate (cancer-healing) dosages from

eating the fruit, not to mention the problem w/the sugar. Though I

still think papaya's valuable for cancer patients to eat.

Healing cancer w/enzymes requires very high dosages of a HIGH-QUALITY

enzyme product that's specifically appropriate for healing cancer, and

must be taken on empty stomach. I believe the best brand is

www.2line.com/drkelleyHOT.html (expensive)

and 2nd best is

Pancreas Pork by Nutricology.com (much less expensive).

My 3rd choice would be

Chymozyme Plus (www.dewsnatural.com or www.dews21.com; recommended by

Kelley)

[Guest guest]

Hi Leonard,

What about if I am allergic to papain and bromelain - severely - and I

don't want to eat pork at all......?

Johanne

>

> I've been reading about enzyme treatment of cancer for 9 yrs.

> Papain and bromelain may be more powerful than chymotrypsin for

> certain things, but certainly not for healing cancer.

> And I don't think you can get adequate (cancer-healing) dosages from

> eating the fruit, not to mention the problem w/the sugar. Though I

> still think papaya's valuable for cancer patients to eat.

> Healing cancer w/enzymes requires very high dosages of a HIGH-QUALITY

> enzyme product that's specifically appropriate for healing cancer, and

> must be taken on empty stomach. I believe the best brand is

> www.2line.com/drkelleyHOT.html (expensive)

> and 2nd best is

> Pancreas Pork by Nutricology.com (much less expensive).

> My 3rd choice would be

> Chymozyme Plus (www.dewsnatural.com or www.dews21.com; recommended by

> Kelley)

>

[Guest guest]

Just by the label, Univase Forte (formerly megazyme forte) seems vastly

superior to every other supplement. Dr. Loretta also thinks this. I'm

about to order some -- can you convince me otherwise?

>

> I've been reading about enzyme treatment of cancer for 9 yrs.

> Papain and bromelain may be more powerful than chymotrypsin for

> certain things, but certainly not for healing cancer.

> And I don't think you can get adequate (cancer-healing) dosages from

> eating the fruit, not to mention the problem w/the sugar. Though I

> still think papaya's valuable for cancer patients to eat.

> Healing cancer w/enzymes requires very high dosages of a HIGH-QUALITY

> enzyme product that's specifically appropriate for healing cancer, and

> must be taken on empty stomach. I believe the best brand is

> www.2line.com/drkelleyHOT.html (expensive)

> and 2nd best is

> Pancreas Pork by Nutricology.com (much less expensive).

> My 3rd choice would be

> Chymozyme Plus (www.dewsnatural.com or www.dews21.com; recommended by

> Kelley)

>

[Guest guest]

" Johanne Wayne CN " wrote:

> Well, I can tell you having battled hard for a good 12 years with 5 types of

cancers in my youth that I took bromelain and papain as a vegan vegetarian (this

was only to heal) for 10 years. I tested severely allergic to both compounds

and it destroyed my gut. All along, I thought I was doing the healthy decision

with my foods and supplements. It nearly cost me my life. I am over this now for

14 years but really am convinced that an intelligent analysis of the foods one

eats is the basis for the healing plan. Johanne

>

So, what if I'm eating all the right metabolic foods and staying off the MT

allergic foods and cancer is still progressing? I just got results of an MRI

that show this to be the case unfortunately.

xxoo

[Guest guest]

Are you doing LDN, oleander, artemisinin, FO/CC? Or just food?

> > Well, I can tell you having battled hard for a good 12 years with

5 types of cancers in my youth that I took bromelain and papain as a

vegan vegetarian (this was only to heal) for 10 years. I tested

severely allergic to both compounds and it destroyed my gut. All

along, I thought I was doing the healthy decision with my foods and

supplements. It nearly cost me my life. I am over this now for 14

years but really am convinced that an intelligent analysis of the

foods one eats is the basis for the healing plan. Johanne

> >

>

> So, what if I'm eating all the right metabolic foods and staying

off the MT allergic foods and cancer is still progressing? I just

got results of an MRI that show this to be the case unfortunately.

>

> xxoo

>

>

[Guest guest]

How important do you think each is?

Let's say someone is sort of so-so on the diet -- this person does

avoid all meat (except salmon) has a couple of eggs a week, no sugar,

no refined flour, keeps the body generally alkaline (per ph strips)

but does slip up a bit now and then -- an ounce or two of cheddar, a

few sips of diet soda, some imitation meat made of soy occasionally,

some whole wheat bread...

But this person is very diligent with the supplements -- artemix,

oleander, IP6, bloodroot, beta glucan, LDN, iodine, pancreatin, liver

herbs, etc.

Which is more important -- the cancer killing supplements or a

perfect diet? Or they about 50 / 50?

> > > Well, I can tell you having battled hard for a good 12 years

with

> 5 types of cancers in my youth that I took bromelain and papain as

a

> vegan vegetarian (this was only to heal) for 10 years. I tested

> severely allergic to both compounds and it destroyed my gut. All

> along, I thought I was doing the healthy decision with my foods and

> supplements. It nearly cost me my life. I am over this now for 14

> years but really am convinced that an intelligent analysis of the

> foods one eats is the basis for the healing plan. Johanne

> > >

> >

> > So, what if I'm eating all the right metabolic foods and staying

> off the MT allergic foods and cancer is still progressing? I just

> got results of an MRI that show this to be the case unfortunately.

> >

> > xxoo

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

" Johanne Wayne wrote:

> The food is not the problem, the supplementation is. The supplementation

should stop the cell division and it is not it appears.

>

I don't know if you remember, a couple of months ago, I emailed you about

intestinal pain I was having. Well, that continued until this week when, at a

dear friend's advice, I stopped ALL my supplements. I stopped them Friday and,

as of Tuesday, everything is so much better!

So now has sent me a new " toy " and I'm using that now ... we know it was

not responsible for my spasms (since I wasn't on it before) and it's supposed to

be quite effective. So I'm using that along with my digestive enzymes, LDN

(though not sure if I'm

going to continue that or not), probiotics, hormones, cimetidine (upper GI

series indicated marked reflux).

xxoo

[Guest guest]

So what do you think about the Univase Forte product, which has about

15x the amount of chymotripsin as any other supplement, and is

affordable?

>

> Dr has repeatedly stated that the enzymes he uses in his

successful

> adaptation of Kelley and Beard's work are NOT available as a retail

> supplement; he has had enough quality control problems just getting

supplies

> for his patients. These enzymes are NOT, despite what this link

implies, the

> same as as those used in any studes by him or Dr Kelley.

[Guest guest]

Simon

I understand that Dr. has to protect his reputation and he

needs high quality. They are also available to a select few. I

think this begs the question of how good these other enzymes are such

as the ones Jim mentioned. Maybe if people took a larger

quantity,etc. That is the real question.

GB

>

> I'm not sure what you are asking me. I just really wanted to make

the point

> that the " Dr Kelley " enzymes, if that is what they are, are NOT the

enzymes

> being used by Dr in his research and successful treatment

of

> pancreatic cancer, although the website selling the Dr Kelley

enzymes

> suggests that they are.

> I was also just putting a reminder out there that both the Kelley

protocol

> and Dr 's modified Kelley protocol do not just use

pancreatic

> enzymes but also specific inidividualised diets (Kelley invented

the first

> form of metabolic typing), heavy detoxification and literally

hundreds of

> tablets/capsules of other nutritional supplements a day - also

> INDIVIDUALISED for each patient.

>

> As to Univase Forte specifically - there's not enough information

given on

> the website to be able to make any judgement about them. It doesn't

say

> what the source is, nor how they are prepared. Quality is really

important.

> And I don't know enough about this to know whether a-chymotrypsin

really is

> a benefit or not. Given that we need massive anounts of these

enzymes to

> make a difference in cancer, the more bang for your buck you can

get the

> better, obviously, but we need to be sure the things are

biologically active

> AND free of contaminants.

>

>

> From: " jrrjim "

> So what do you think about the Univase Forte product, which has

about 15x the amount of chymotripsin as any other supplement, and is

> affordable?

[Guest guest]

It is the green mature papaya skin, chopped and the papaya leaves (fresh or

dried) that are boiled and the broth/tea is drank  through the day.  The recipe

for preparing is at the website of www.papayaleavesforcancer.com/index.html.  Go

to ebook on left margin.