Guest guest Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 Hi Robin, What are you doing for estrogen? ar > > Hello, I'm new to the group. I am 39 years old and was diagnosed with IDC stage 3B in Nov. 09 and went into remission in June. I started seeing an alternaitive doctor a week after my diagnosis but with a lot of bullying from the oncologist that I would die with out conventional treatments, I caved and did the works. I did chemo, radiation and surgery. I also did 100,000 of IV. vitamin C weekly for a couple months, went vegan, gave up sugar, started growing wheatgrass and juicing, and Im also taking a ton of supplements to help block the bad estrogens and to build up my immune system and powerwalking 5 miles every other day. I recently read something in a book I have and also watched Dr. Oz and he discussed something that stood out......it said you have a 75% chance of getting breast cancer if you where treated for scoliosis as a child because of all the radiation your exposed too at the time your cells are growing fast. I had a curvature spine and was watched closely in my teens. No one in my family (not grandparents, aunts, cousins, mom or sister) has had cancer so I'm asumming I got this from radiation and I found this out after I had radiation and now I have regrets. I read that baking soda and salt baths can pull radiation. I'm having my shower gutted from my master bathroom in two weeks and converting it into a bathtub so I can start my soaks. Is there any supplements that pull radiatio from the body? If so, what and what would be the dose? Also is there test to measure the amount of radiation in the body? > Thanks, > Robin > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 Robin: Chlorella, 4 grams per day. 30% of folks can not tolerate chlorella, then spirulina would be a second choice. Use cracked cell or broken cell chlorella. There is a test but I do not know what it is called. I do know that the radiation will be pulled out of the body and come out with the urine when using chlorella. Both chlorella and spirulina were used in Japan after the atomic bombs and in Chernobyl. Clay baths are aslo useful. http://renewalenterprises.com/db008ll.html Vic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 Great, I actually have a full container of chlorella. I bought it last year when I started chemo to detox some metals but it made me nauseated since I was sensitive during my treatments. I'm going to start that today. How many months should I take it daily? I also heard about the clay baths........I wonder if bentonite clay would do the same thing? Anyway, thank you for your suggestions......I was told by the radiology oncologist that the most common kind of cancer you get from radiation therapy for breast cancer is bone cancer but he told me the percentage is low. Its not low enough for me so I want to take all precausions. I think spread to her bones only two years after she went into remmision. I wonder if things would have been different if she detoxed. Anyway, again, thank you. > > Robin: > > Chlorella, 4 grams per day. 30% of folks can not tolerate chlorella, then > spirulina would be a second choice. Use cracked cell or broken cell chlorella. > There is a test but I do not know what it is called. I do know that the > radiation will be pulled out of the body and come out with the urine when using > chlorella. Both chlorella and spirulina were used in Japan after the atomic > bombs and in Chernobyl. Clay baths are aslo useful. > > > http://renewalenterprises.com/db008ll.html > > Vic > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 For estrogen, I'm taking Dim, natural progesterone cream that I have compounded, juicing cabbage juices or Kale juice daily, mostly eating a vegan diet, no processed foods, flax seed and I also got rid of all my house cleaners that are loaded with chemicals as the bad estrogen will go up if around some chemicals. It's working for me, my alternative doctor will be testing my hormones every 3 to 4 months and so far, my estrogens are very low and my 2/16a ratio is very high...estrogen positive cancers wont grow in a high ratio. So for me, it's working. > > > > Hello, I'm new to the group. I am 39 years old and was diagnosed with IDC stage 3B in Nov. 09 and went into remission in June. I started seeing an alternaitive doctor a week after my diagnosis but with a lot of bullying from the oncologist that I would die with out conventional treatments, I caved and did the works. I did chemo, radiation and surgery. I also did 100,000 of IV. vitamin C weekly for a couple months, went vegan, gave up sugar, started growing wheatgrass and juicing, and Im also taking a ton of supplements to help block the bad estrogens and to build up my immune system and powerwalking 5 miles every other day. I recently read something in a book I have and also watched Dr. Oz and he discussed something that stood out......it said you have a 75% chance of getting breast cancer if you where treated for scoliosis as a child because of all the radiation your exposed too at the time your cells are growing fast. I had a curvature spine and was watched closely in my teens. No one in my family (not grandparents, aunts, cousins, mom or sister) has had cancer so I'm asumming I got this from radiation and I found this out after I had radiation and now I have regrets. I read that baking soda and salt baths can pull radiation. I'm having my shower gutted from my master bathroom in two weeks and converting it into a bathtub so I can start my soaks. Is there any supplements that pull radiatio from the body? If so, what and what would be the dose? Also is there test to measure the amount of radiation in the body? > > Thanks, > > Robin > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 I'm glad it's working. Also talk to your ND about iodine. You can read up on it at breastcancerchoices.org. I really liked Calcium D-Glucarate as opposed to DIM. And you're dealing with vitamin D. Also consider thermography as another screening method. ar > > For estrogen, I'm taking Dim, natural progesterone cream that I have compounded, juicing cabbage juices or Kale juice daily, mostly eating a vegan diet, no processed foods, flax seed and I also got rid of all my house cleaners that are loaded with chemicals as the bad estrogen will go up if around some chemicals. It's working for me, my alternative doctor will be testing my hormones every 3 to 4 months and so far, my estrogens are very low and my 2/16a ratio is very high...estrogen positive cancers wont grow in a high ratio. So for me, it's working. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 I'm actually taking 5 mg. of iodine......I'm taking so many things it's hard to remember when I post. I keep everything in a straight line in my cupboard and just go down the line so I remember to take them. Here is a list of everything I take....... 2 - 3 tbs. fresh ground flaxseed 1 tbs. liquid flax 5 mg. Iodine 2000 mg. turmeric 5000 iu. vit. D. maitake mushrooms astrugulus 200 mg. Dim calcium /mag supplement 6000 mg. liposomal vitamin C vit. K krill oil fresh wheat grass (4 oz) 16 oz. of green lemonaid (juicing kale, romain lettus, celery,green apples and two lemons) Sometimes I juice with cabbage instead of kale progesterone cream 400 mg. co-q 10 I actually was taking calcium gluterate for a while and ran out and just never got another bottle....I really should add it back in. As for the therma imagining, I will be getting one. My alternative doctor wants me to get one prior to reconstruction surgery just to make sure we got it all. My oncologist was going to set me up with another pet scan but I dont want anymore radiation in my body. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 You're taking a lot of stuff. Does your ND know about all of it? I ask because some of it may not be necessary. But also, when you take so much stuff, you may counteracting something else. Why are you taking the Krill oil? You're taking flax seed oil, too. Do you need both? If you are taking DIM, I don't think you need Calcium D-Glucarate. But ask to find out which is better. Don't forget a liver detoxifyer. The thermogram will only show your breast area. The PET will be a full body scan to see if you have activity anywhere else in your body. > > I'm actually taking 5 mg. of iodine......I'm taking so many things it's hard to remember when I post. I keep everything in a straight line in my cupboard and just go down the line so I remember to take them. Here is a list of everything I take....... > > 2 - 3 tbs. fresh ground flaxseed > 1 tbs. liquid flax > 5 mg. Iodine > 2000 mg. turmeric > 5000 iu. vit. D. > maitake mushrooms > astrugulus > 200 mg. Dim > calcium /mag supplement > 6000 mg. liposomal vitamin C > vit. K > krill oil > fresh wheat grass (4 oz) > 16 oz. of green lemonaid (juicing kale, romain lettus, celery,green apples and two lemons) Sometimes I juice with cabbage instead of kale > progesterone cream > 400 mg. co-q 10 > > I actually was taking calcium gluterate for a while and ran out and just never got another bottle....I really should add it back in. > As for the therma imagining, I will be getting one. My alternative doctor wants me to get one prior to reconstruction surgery just to make sure we got it all. My oncologist was going to set me up with another pet scan but I dont want anymore radiation in my body. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 I think bentonite clay will work as equally as well as the clay link I posted. Far infrared sauna will help detox as well. Sweating is a great detox. Probiotics are needed for detoxing too. Our alt cancer doctor told my wife to detox one week after each chemo treatment using chlorella/spirulina/ wheat grass, sauna, and loads of high quality probiotics. If the chlorella makes you sick then switch to spirulina. My wife was told to detox for at least 9 months. I add powdered wheat grass to her juice everyday. Lots of chlorophyll. The instesines are damaged from the chemo along with the good bacteria in the intestine, this needs to be replaced and will not come back by itself. Probiotics are needed for this as well as for detox. Probiotics at least 3x per day plus a prebiotic if the probiotic does not include one. Eating kelp ( sea weed ) helps too. ________________________________ From: amethist29 Sent: Sat, January 8, 2011 Great, I actually have a full container of chlorella. I bought it last year when I started chemo to detox some metals but it made me nauseated since I was sensitive during my treatments. I'm going to start that today. How many months should I take it daily? I also heard about the clay baths........I wonder if bentonite clay would do the same thing? Anyway, thank you for your suggestions......I was told by the radiology oncologist that the most common kind of cancer you get from radiation therapy for breast cancer is bone cancer but he told me the percentage is low. Its not low enough for me so I want to take all precausions. I think spread to her bones only two years after she went into remmision. I wonder if things would have been different if she detoxed. Anyway, again, thank you. Victor Swiercz <roadmst1@...> wrote: > > Robin: > > Chlorella, 4 grams per day. 30% of folks can not tolerate chlorella, then > spirulina would be a second choice. Use cracked cell or broken cell chlorella. > There is a test but I do not know what it is called. I do know that the > radiation will be pulled out of the body and come out with the urine when using > chlorella. Both chlorella and spirulina were used in Japan after the atomic > bombs and in Chernobyl. Clay baths are aslo useful. > > http://renewalenterprises.com/db008ll.html > > Vic > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 Most everything I'm taking, my nd told me to take. With the flax seed, I'm doing the budwig thing where I mix it with cottage cheese and blend it up. I have been taking krill even before I was diagnosed with cancer but my alternative doctor never said anything so I just continued to take it. Thanks for the reminder about the liver support, I was taking something and when I ran out, I just didnt order any but I need too. As for thermal imaging, some places do full body scans, it's about $600 . My alternitive told me there is a place in San Diego that does it. From: arlynsg <arlynsg@...> Subject: [ ] Re: Detoxing radiation? Date: Saturday, January 8, 2011, 9:19 AM You're taking a lot of stuff. Does your ND know about all of it? I ask because some of it may not be necessary. But also, when you take so much stuff, you may counteracting something else. Why are you taking the Krill oil? You're taking flax seed oil, too. Do you need both? If you are taking DIM, I don't think you need Calcium D-Glucarate. But ask to find out which is better. Don't forget a liver detoxifyer. The thermogram will only show your breast area. The PET will be a full body scan to see if you have activity anywhere else in your body. > > I'm actually taking 5 mg. of iodine......I'm taking so many things it's hard to remember when I post. I keep everything in a straight line in my cupboard and just go down the line so I remember to take them. Here is a list of everything I take....... > > 2 - 3 tbs. fresh ground flaxseed > 1 tbs. liquid flax > 5 mg. Iodine > 2000 mg. turmeric > 5000 iu. vit. D. > maitake mushrooms > astrugulus > 200 mg. Dim > calcium /mag supplement > 6000 mg. liposomal vitamin C > vit. K > krill oil > fresh wheat grass (4 oz) > 16 oz. of green lemonaid (juicing kale, romain lettus, celery,green apples and two lemons) Sometimes I juice with cabbage instead of kale > progesterone cream > 400 mg. co-q 10 > > I actually was taking calcium gluterate for a while and ran out and just never got another bottle....I really should add it back in. > As for the therma imagining, I will be getting one. My alternative doctor wants me to get one prior to reconstruction surgery just to make sure we got it all. My oncologist was going to set me up with another pet scan but I dont want anymore radiation in my body. > ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 Hi Robin, The full body thermogram will not show you the same thing as a PET. A full body thermogram cannot show you metastatic activity throughout your body as it is only good for so far below the skin. Thermography is GREAT for cancer in the breast, but if you are trying to see if you have cancer elsewhere, it will probably be a waste of your money. That being said, PETs are not 100% accurate, either. But I would trust them more than the full body thermogram. Best of luck, ar > Most everything I'm taking, my nd told me to take. With the flax seed, I'm doing the budwig thing where I mix it with cottage cheese and blend it up. I have been taking krill even before I was diagnosed with cancer but my alternative doctor never said anything so I just continued to take it. Thanks for the reminder about the liver support, I was taking something and when I ran out, I just didnt order any but I need too. As for thermal imaging, some places do full body scans, it's about $600 . My alternitive told me there is a place in San Diego that does it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 List, DIM and glucarate have two distinct and complementary effects. DIM (or I-3-C) metabolize 16-OHE (dangerous form of estriol metabolite) to a more benign 2-OHE. Glucarate assists in the binding of toxins in the liver for eventual removal by the bile and urine. The enzyme beta-glucuronidase tends to " unbind " these complexes and thus returns the toxins to the system. Glucarate inhibits the activity of the enzyme and reinforces the bonds, helping in the detoxification of excessive estrogen and other goodies we need to get rid off. My advice to any person wanting to detoxify or to prevent the unwanted accumulation of " bad " estrogen and xeno-estrogens and drugs, etc. is to take both. Too much DIM is dangerous and one should be aware of the correct dosis. Glucarate interferes with the absorption of pharmaceutical drugs and if in medication, be mindful... Cheers [ ] Re: Detoxing radiation? I'm glad it's working. Also talk to your ND about iodine. You can read up on it at breastcancerchoices.org. I really liked Calcium D-Glucarate as opposed to DIM. And you're dealing with vitamin D. Also consider thermography as another screening method. ar > > For estrogen, I'm taking Dim, natural progesterone cream that I have > compounded, juicing cabbage juices or Kale juice daily, mostly eating a > vegan diet, no processed foods, flax seed and I also got rid of all my > house cleaners that are loaded with chemicals as the bad estrogen will go > up if around some chemicals. It's working for me, my alternative doctor > will be testing my hormones every 3 to 4 months and so far, my estrogens > are very low and my 2/16a ratio is very high...estrogen positive cancers > wont grow in a high ratio. So for me, it's working. ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 , That's excellent information! Thanks. I'm off all supplements since I lost my job and cannot afford anything. But once I'm employed again, I'll be sure to take both. ar > > List, DIM and glucarate have two distinct and complementary effects. DIM (or > I-3-C) metabolize 16-OHE (dangerous form of estriol metabolite) to a more > benign 2-OHE. > Glucarate assists in the binding of toxins in the liver for eventual removal > by the bile and urine. The enzyme beta-glucuronidase tends to " unbind " these > complexes and thus returns the toxins to the system. Glucarate inhibits the > activity of the enzyme and reinforces the bonds, helping in the > detoxification of excessive estrogen and other goodies we need to get rid > off. My advice to any person wanting to detoxify or to prevent the unwanted > accumulation of " bad " estrogen and xeno-estrogens and drugs, etc. is to take > both. Too much DIM is dangerous and one should be aware of the correct > dosis. Glucarate interferes with the absorption of pharmaceutical drugs and > if in medication, be mindful... > Cheers > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 The PET will pick up anything that would cause uptake. This includes inflammation caused by injuries, etc. I have never had a PET, so I might be wrong on this, but it's my understanding that if the PET picks something up, you will need a CT or MRI to evaluate further. I think many PETs include a CT at the same time. I also refused Tamoxifen, btw. However, I think it took a lot of courage for you to refuse it at stage 3 than it did me at a much earlier stage. ar > > I did not know that. Will the pet scans pick up clusters of cancer cells (not an actuall tumor) ? My last scan was in nov. '09. I was told that because I had 33 lymph nodes involved, I have a higher chance of it comming back in the next year, especially since I refuse tamoxifen.....but this is according to my oncologist who belives all alternative doctors are quacks and told me not to wast my money on supplements and other therapies such as IV vitamin C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 Hi Jpking, It depends on body weight and what you are trying to accomplish. Cheers [ ] Re: Detoxing radiation? I'm glad it's working. Also talk to your ND about iodine. You can read up on it at breastcancerchoices.org. I really liked Calcium D-Glucarate as opposed to DIM. And you're dealing with vitamin D. Also consider thermography as another screening method. ar > > For estrogen, I'm taking Dim, natural progesterone cream that I have > compounded, juicing cabbage juices or Kale juice daily, mostly eating a > vegan diet, no processed foods, flax seed and I also got rid of all my > house cleaners that are loaded with chemicals as the bad estrogen will go > up if around some chemicals. It's working for me, my alternative doctor > will be testing my hormones every 3 to 4 months and so far, my estrogens > are very low and my 2/16a ratio is very high...estrogen positive cancers > wont grow in a high ratio. So for me, it's working. ------------------------------------ Links Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 The Purification Program detoxes radiation. I've done it 3 times myself. It was especially helpful after Chemo & Radiation treatment. http://www.scientology.org/faq/scientology-and-dianetics-auditing/what-is-the-pu\ rification-rundown.html or http://bit.ly/hi1vRp > > Hello, I'm new to the group. I am 39 years old and was diagnosed with IDC stage 3B in Nov. 09 and went into remission in June. I started seeing an alternaitive doctor a week after my diagnosis but with a lot of bullying from the oncologist that I would die with out conventional treatments, I caved and did the works. I did chemo, radiation and surgery. I also did 100,000 of IV. vitamin C weekly for a couple months, went vegan, gave up sugar, started growing wheatgrass and juicing, and Im also taking a ton of supplements to help block the bad estrogens and to build up my immune system and powerwalking 5 miles every other day. I recently read something in a book I have and also watched Dr. Oz and he discussed something that stood out......it said you have a 75% chance of getting breast cancer if you where treated for scoliosis as a child because of all the radiation your exposed too at the time your cells are growing fast. I had a curvature spine and was watched closely in my teens. No one in my family (not grandparents, aunts, cousins, mom or sister) has had cancer so I'm asumming I got this from radiation and I found this out after I had radiation and now I have regrets. I read that baking soda and salt baths can pull radiation. I'm having my shower gutted from my master bathroom in two weeks and converting it into a bathtub so I can start my soaks. Is there any supplements that pull radiatio from the body? If so, what and what would be the dose? Also is there test to measure the amount of radiation in the body? > Thanks, > Robin > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 MOST important/effective items to taking during radiation THERAPY: “Among the best sensitizers and healthy tissue protectants to use with radiation are quercetin, caffeine, vit E succinate, [selenium, dipyridamole (Persantine)], ethacrynic acid [aka etacrynic acid, ethacrynic, Edecrin], sanguinarine [bloodroot], and PARP inhibitors†Gammill, 9/17/09 /message/41254 " If you are going to do radiation to the breast…consider various sensitizers...vit E succinate, quercetin, dipyridamole, carbogen with hyperthermia…ethacrynic acid, and PARP inhibitors.... Caffeine (and the other xanthines), niacinamide, and curcumin...help induce PARP cleavage.... dithiodinicotinic acid " Gammill, 7/21/10 /message/45682 “tools to kick up efficacy [of] and protect from [harmful effects of radiation]…Vit E Succinate, caffeine (useful for squamous), quercetin (or DHQ), and dithiodinicotinic acid…. NAC seems to be the most researched by way of protecting the kidneys from radiation†Gammill, 11/5/09 /message/41913 MELATONIN†" 20mg; synergistic w/radiation; www.brain-treatments.net www.lef.org/protocols/cancer/radiation_therapy_02.htm Vit. E (particularly alpha tocopherol succinate)†" 1,000 IU; protects against toxic effects of radiation and tends to enhance the effectiveness of radiation (, 2000; www.eurekalert.org/releases/rpsl-ved011501.html); " There are many supplements and meds that will help protect normal tissue and there are many others that will kick up the effectiveness of radiation. Few will do both. Vitamin E Succinate is one of the few that does. You might consider taking 1,000 I.U. Vit E succinate " vgammill@..., 6/14/10 Fu Zhen/Fu Zheng--“76 patients with stage II liver cancer, 46 were treated with Fu-zhen [and] chemotherapy and radiation. 29 survived one year and ten survived for three years. Only six of the thirty given chemotherapy and radiation [alone] survived one year….success has [also] come from using the herbs alone†www.fightingcancer.com/bookpdf/19%20The%20herbal%20approach.pdf “as an adjuvant to radiation therapy to treat pharyngeal cancer, the five-year survival rate was…53 percent [versus] 24 percent [for radiation alone]†(Yance, 1999, p. 84). sea vegetables/seaweed-- arame, hiziki, nori, wakame, Irish moss, dulse, and particularly kombu and kelp (preferably Icelandic) all contain sodium alginate which binds to radioactive substances. vit. A Leonard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 Hi Robin, <amethist29@...> wrote: >Is there any supplements that pull radiation from the body? Yes (see below), but I doubt these have much efficacy if the radiation exposure occurred more than a few days ago. Supplements to Take around the Time of X-Rays (to PROTECT body) chlorella--“x-rays: take chlorella 2x/day for 1 month after the radiation†N-acetyl Cysteine (NAC) (converted to glutathione)--take on empty stomach, in divided doses throughout the day since it may have a short half-life; recommended by Gammill (5/09) and Rowen, M.D. “things that I like both as radiation enhancers and protectors. Some of the protectors apply also for diagnostic imagery. I like caffeine, Vit E succinate, NAC [glutathione], fucoidan [in kelp and Modifilan.com]†(Gammill, 2010) " vitamin C, CoQ10, alpha lipoic acid, selenium, N-acetyl cysteine [NAC], and vitamin E succinate " (www.secondopinionnewsletter.com/scripts/viewArchive.aspx?AID=85) dark-green leafy vegetables, algae, wheatgrass, barley grass, cabbage, & other GREEN foods sea vegetables/seaweed-- arame, hiziki, nori, wakame, Irish moss, dulse, and particularly kombu and KELP (preferably Icelandic) all contain sodium alginate which binds to radioactive substances. " Apples and sunflower seeds contain pectin which binds and removes radioactive residues...Buckwheat contains glucosides which protect us from…radiation….green foods...algae...cleans[e] our bodies of radiation.(1)...bath with sea salt and baking soda draws [out] toxins...Sea vegetables " www.naturalnews.com/030664_cell_phones_radiation.html For more info, http://www.lef.org/protocols/cancer/radiation_therapy_02.htm Leonard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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