High protein bad for cancer patients?

[Guest guest]

That's what I am thinking too.

Resveratrol is good for cancer. A glass of red wine a day. Not the whole

bottle every day.

On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 11:00 AM, Mike Golden <goldenmike@...>wrote:

> Everything needs to be in moderation.

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[Guest guest]

Not if you are allergic to grapes. My husband had blood clots which was an

inflammatory reaction to his allergic foods. He has eaten organic and largely

raw since 1993. We did not know that grapes (among other foods) would make him

coagulate. So, you need to be careful with the general statement that a glass a

wine a way will give you the reservatol you need to help you. It could kill you.

Johanne

From: Dana Herbert

Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 9:45 AM

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: High protein bad for cancer patients?

That's what I am thinking too.

Resveratrol is good for cancer. A glass of red wine a day. Not the whole

bottle every day.

On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 11:00 AM, Mike Golden <goldenmike@...>wrote:

> Everything needs to be in moderation.

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[Guest guest]

Dr Colin was able to turn off and on the proliferation of cancer cells

with animal proteins from milk . See " the China Study " .

He demonstrates a clear link between high consumption of animal proteins and

cancer..

[Guest guest]

Also more recently Dr Dean Ornish was able to reverse prostate cancer in a group

of patients with a strictly vegetarian diet..

[Guest guest]

Hi, Shaman, please advise the source of your information, articles, research

paper, etc on the reversal of prostate cancer with strict vetegtarian diets.

Thanks.

In a message dated 3/11/2009 9:52:02 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

shaman_urban@... writes:

Also more recently Dr Dean Ornish was able to reverse prostate cancer in a

group of patients with a strictly vegetarian diet..

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[Guest guest]

Is there any one or knows of any one who had been able to turn off cancer

following Dr. Colin 's theory of avoiding animal proteins including

dairy.....AKP

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> Dr Colin was able to turn off and on the proliferation of cancer

cells with animal proteins from milk . See " the China Study " .

> He demonstrates a clear link between high consumption of animal proteins and

cancer..

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[Guest guest]

" shipshape45 " wrote:

> Is there any one or knows of any one who had been able to turn off cancer

following Dr. Colin 's theory of avoiding animal proteins including

dairy.....AKP

Yes here's an article :

Nutrition and Cancer : the China Study

http://www.jmbblog.com/nutrition-and-cancer-the-china-study/

[Guest guest]

" shipshape45 " wrote:

Is there any one or knows of any one who had been able to turn off cancer

following Dr. Colin 's theory of avoiding animal proteins including

dairy.....AKP

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Hi AKP,

T. Colin didn't rule out dairy completely. He found that when

casein is over 5% of total calories in the diet, then it seemed to promote

cancer growth in the animals he studied.

The healing plan of Dr. Johanna Budwig has helped thousands of people

overcome advanced and terminal cancer as well as other conditions such

as arthritis and diabetes for over 50 years. The diet is low protein and plant

centered. It includes cottage cheese or quark in small amounts blended with

flaxseed oil and flaxseeds. For a list of some recent testimonials from members

of the group, FlaxseedOil2, where we discuss the Budwig Plan, click here:

/message/37588

One of the members of FlaxseedOil2 whose wife overcame cancer while

following the BP wrote the following message regarding The China Study.

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" There have been many successes with the Budwig protocol, so I think

there appears to be some fairly good evidence that the use of a small

amount of cottage cheese may not be a problem. I read " The China Study " after we

had successfully dealt with my wife's skin tumor using the Budwig Protocol...

My thoughts on this are as follows: I don't think that it would be safe or wise

to discount and ignore T. Colin 's findings with regard to the promotion

of tumor growth by casein. However, if my memory serves me, I seem to recall

that this promotion occurred when the level of casein in the diet of the

experimental animals was above 5 or 6 percent of their total caloric intake.

After that threshold was

exceeded, a dose-response relationship between tumor growth and amount

of casein consumed was observed. ie. The more casein in the diet above

the threshold, the more rapid the tumor growth.

The lesson I draw from this is that it would be prudent not to exceed

the 5% threshold level when utilizing the Budwig Protocol. When I

looked back and calculated my wife's consumption of casein with the

Budwig Protocol, I determined that it was well within the 5 to 6 percent level.

(My wife did not consume any other dairy products).

For those who wish to do some calculations to see the percentage of

total caloric intake of casein that their cottage cheese consumption

amounts to, here is the math I went through to calculate it:

Approximately 85 percent of milk protein is casein. I use this figure

at the end of the calculations shown below.

4 ounces of cottage cheese has approximately 14 grams of protein

according to the USDA nutritional data base.

That means that 1 ounce of CC [cottage cheese] would be 14/4 or 3.5 grams of

protein. 1 tablespoon is about 15 grams or roughly 1/2 an ounce. That means that

1 tablespoon of CC has roughly 1.75 grams of protein. 1 gram of protein is

approximately 4 Calories

That means that 1 tablespoon of CC has (4 * 1.75) or 7 Calories from

protein.

For breakfast, the FOCC recipe calls for 3 tablespoons flax oil and 6

tablespoons cottage cheese. That means that you will be getting (6 * 7) or 42

Calories of protein from the cottage cheese in your breakfast FOCC mixture.

If you consume the average 2000 Calories per day, then the proportion of milk

protein from the breakfast FOCC mixture is:

(42 / 2000) or 0.021 which translates to 2.1% of your total caloric

intake.

If we take into account that casein is 85% of the protein, then we

multiply the 2.1% by 0.85 to arrive at approximately 1.8% as the amount of your

total caloric intake that come from the casein in your morning FOCC mixture.

Looking through the " Introduction to the Budwig Protocol-with Videos "

email that is posted to the FlaxSeedOil2 mailing list, the daily dietary regimen

calls for 12 to 14 tablespoons of cottage cheese per day in total. That works

out to 3.6 to 4.2 percent of your protein from casein (assuming a 2000 Calorie

daily diet). So, it appears to be at a relatively safe level according to the

graphs shown in " The China Study " .

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I hope this is helpful. For more information on the Budwig diet, please click

here.

flaxseedoil2

If you join the group, a summary of the diet will automatically be sent to you.

Kind regards,

[Guest guest]

I completely agree with you about the fact that Dr. Johanna Budwig has helped

thousands of people and includes cottage cheese and flax seed oil.

In fact she used the addition of flax seed oil to change the structure of the

cottage cheese for her therapeutic goal. I believe that as long as the intake of

animal protein remains very low, we both agree :-) Also the cottage cheese

should be of the best quality (organic, from a very reputable farm.) Grass fed

printed on the box has no meaning unless we are sure of the source. The ratio of

omega 6 and omega 3 is completely different in grass fed cow's milk versus

corn-fed cow.

The flax seed has to be the best, fresh and not rancid, to be able to reproduce

her success.

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Jumping to the subject of frozen meat from a previous post in the group ;

bacteria survives freezing even for a long time. See:

Campylobacter jejuni: A bacterium that typically infects the bowels. Now the

leading cause of bacterial food poisoning survive freezing see

Survival of Campylobacter jejuni on beef trimmings during freezing and frozen

storage

" the numbers of Campylobacter decreased in the first 7days of storage by ca.

0·6-2·2 log cfu g & #8722;1 and then remaining constant over the remainder of the

storage trial, with neither isolate exhibiting sublethal injury.

In another study the temperature of -20 C for 12 weeks bacterias are still

present.see:

Numbers of Bacteria in Frozen Food Stored at Several Temperatures*

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wrote:

> Hi AKP,

> T. Colin didn't rule out dairy completely. He found that when

> casein is over 5% of total calories in the diet, then it seemed to promote

cancer growth in the animals he studied.

>

> The healing plan of Dr. Johanna Budwig has helped thousands of people

> overcome advanced and terminal cancer as well as other conditions such

> as arthritis and diabetes for over 50 years. The diet is low protein and plant

centered. It includes cottage cheese or quark in small amounts blended with

flaxseed oil and flaxseeds. For a list of some recent testimonials from members

of the group, FlaxseedOil2, where we discuss the Budwig Plan, click here:

> /message/37588

>

> One of the members of FlaxseedOil2 whose wife overcame cancer while

> following the BP wrote the following message regarding The China Study.

> -------------

> " There have been many successes with the Budwig protocol, so I think

> there appears to be some fairly good evidence that the use of a small amount

of cottage cheese may not be a problem. I read " The China Study " after we had

successfully dealt with my wife's skin tumor using the Budwig Protocol...

>

> My thoughts on this are as follows: I don't think that it would be safe or

wise to discount and ignore T. Colin 's findings with regard to the

promotion of tumor growth by casein. However, if my memory serves me, I seem to

recall that this promotion occurred when the level of casein in the diet of the

experimental animals was above 5 or 6 percent of their total caloric intake.

After that threshold was

> exceeded, a dose-response relationship between tumor growth and amount of

casein consumed was observed. ie. The more casein in the diet above the

threshold, the more rapid the tumor growth.

>

> The lesson I draw from this is that it would be prudent not to exceed the 5%

threshold level when utilizing the Budwig Protocol. When I looked back and

calculated my wife's consumption of casein with the Budwig Protocol, I

determined that it was well within the 5 to 6 percent level. (My wife did not

consume any other dairy products).....

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