Re: IV Vitamin C for Stage IV Breast Cancer - Mets to the bone

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I was a stage 3 breast cancer and I did the works (6 rounds ofchemo, radiation

and surgery)  I also did a lot of alternative stuff.  Because I have a very high

chance of it comming back in the next year, I did several rounds of IV vitamin C

working my way up to 100000 mg. a week, I also did the budwig diet with flax and

cottage cheese, along with a ton of supplements.  I just went for a pet scan and

should get my results back hopefully today......so we will see if it worked. 

The nurse that did my IV is a stage 2 cancer survivor who refused chemo but

shrunk her tumors with IVC and I also met someone else that went into remmission

with it at my alternative doctors office.  It's powerful stuff!  I was

introduced to someone at the time of my diagnosis who was a stage 4 after chemo

fail her and she did some IVC also, but also went completly vegan and grew her

own wheatgrass and juiced it daily.........10 years later, she is alive and

cancer free.

I was wondering if anyone on the list has had experience with IV Vitamin C and

breast cancer.  The cancer is only in my bones (now).  I have done conventional

chemo for about 1 year now.  It stopped working in June 2010 and we have tried

several different chemo drugs since then with no success.  While my oncologist

has not told me to go home and die, i have decided to try a different path.  I

began the Budwig diet a couple of months ago, but i realize i need a much more

potent treatment. 

I still work and mostly feel good.  I am starting to have achiness in the bones

in the areas where the cancer is located. 

Any experiences with the IV Vitamin C?

[Guest guest]

Are you taking estrogen blockers? My herbalist had cancer come back twice then

went on estrogen blockers for five years and is doing quite well 10 years later.

>

> I was wondering if anyone on the list has had experience with IV Vitamin C and

breast cancer. The cancer is only in my bones (now). I have done conventional

chemo for about 1 year now. It stopped working in June 2010 and we have tried

several different chemo drugs since then with no success. While my oncologist

has not told me to go home and die, i have decided to try a different path. I

began the Budwig diet a couple of months ago, but i realize i need a much more

potent treatment.

>

> I still work and mostly feel good. I am starting to have achiness in the

bones in the areas where the cancer is located.

>

> Any experiences with the IV Vitamin C?

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dr Leonard Colwell is a great source, another great cancer Dr is

www.doctorapsley.com

When a baby is born there PH is at 7.3 make sure your body is ALKALINE at 7.3

Dr Group , Bill etc.

Your Health Crusader

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From: ina <leepaulina@...>

Sent: Sat, January 22, 2011 6:16:11 AM

Subject: [ ] Re: IV Vitamin C for Stage IV Breast Cancer - Mets to the

bone

Are you taking estrogen blockers? My herbalist had cancer come back twice then

went on estrogen blockers for five years and is doing quite well 10 years later.

>

> I was wondering if anyone on the list has had experience with IV Vitamin C and

>breast cancer. The cancer is only in my bones (now). I have done conventional

>chemo for about 1 year now. It stopped working in June 2010 and we have tried

>several different chemo drugs since then with no success. While my oncologist

>has not told me to go home and die, i have decided to try a different path. I

>began the Budwig diet a couple of months ago, but i realize i need a much more

>potent treatment.

>

>

> I still work and mostly feel good. I am starting to have achiness in the

bones

>in the areas where the cancer is located.

>

>

> Any experiences with the IV Vitamin C?

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

I have been involved with several thousand patients who chose to do vitamin

C infusions as part of their cancer therapy. It is more often helpful than

not, but I can't say that I have ever seen anyone cured by vitamin C and

sometimes it even encourages the growth of cancer. It is often a great

choice when someone comes in near dead - I have seen them come together

remarkably over a day or two. If it is being considered I would not go to

anyone who does not use it with menadione. Unfortunately most practitioners

are woefully uninformed. Alpha lipoic acid can also be a useful adjunct.

No one can suggest options for you without knowing the details of your

skeletal mets. Are they axial or appendicular? Are you at imminent risk of

a fracture? Are the lesions lytic or blastic? Do you have dental disease

that would prevent you from using the bisphosphonates? Do you have access

to gallium salts, samarium-153, or cementoplasty?

Hyperbaric oxygen is very useful for many medical conditions and in general

it is underutilized in medicine, but all too often it causes cancer to grow.

Many refuse to believe this because they would rather believe 80-year-old in

vitro research than modern clinical experience with humans. The only

exception that I know to this is the use of normotensive oxygen with whole

body hyperthermia in some situations. This was developed by Manfred von

Ardenne as part of his Oxygen Multistep Therapy and it requires the use of a

number of hyperthermia sensitizers - often requiring one to bring down the

body's blood pH using sensitizers such as Lonidamine. In cancer therapy

sometimes you want to acidify, sometime alkalinize, and sometimes nothing as

far as adjusting the body's pH. Your choices depend on many factors.

Having worked around the clock for decades with cancer patients I have

noticed many patterns. Everyone always makes what seems to them the best

choices available - that is, to the extent they have a choice. Sometimes

the choices are determined by money issues, or they are imposed by the

government, their insurance carrier, etc. Other than that their free will

choices are largely illusory. These are mostly determined by their culture,

their fears, by advertising, their finances, their indoctrination, their

genes. Any exercise of free will is most strongly associated with education

that emphasizes critical thinking skills, with autodidactic capabilities,

boldness, determination, and the assumption of responsibility for one's own

life.

You will be smart to avoid all popularizers, gurus, authorities, the

dime-a-dozen grandstanders, the true-believers, the mentors, the marketers,

and sneaky baboons. None are going to do your dying for you and few have

faced challenges such as what you are facing. Do maintain a cordial

relationship with conventional practitioners as you never know when you will

need access to something that would be otherwise unobtainable.

Don't be discouraged if your budget is limited. Money offers you more

options, but rarely do the monied exercise better options. If you are poor

and clever your chances of beating this are far better than those who are

rich and obtuse.

>

> I was wondering if anyone on the list has had experience with IV Vitamin C

and

>breast cancer. The cancer is only in my bones (now). I have done

conventional

>chemo for about 1 year now. It stopped working in June 2010 and we have

tried

>several different chemo drugs since then with no success. While my

oncologist

>has not told me to go home and die, i have decided to try a different path.

I

>began the Budwig diet a couple of months ago, but i realize i need a much

more

>potent treatment.

>

>

> I still work and mostly feel good. I am starting to have achiness in the

bones

>in the areas where the cancer is located.

>

>

> Any experiences with the IV Vitamin C?

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

, Some breast cancers are sensitive to estrogens, others are not. To

apply estrogen blockers to a non-estrogen sensitive cancer may not be wise.

[ ] Re: IV Vitamin C for Stage IV Breast Cancer - Mets to

the bone

Are you taking estrogen blockers? My herbalist had cancer come back twice

then went on estrogen blockers for five years and is doing quite well 10

years later.

>

> I was wondering if anyone on the list has had experience with IV Vitamin C

> and breast cancer. The cancer is only in my bones (now). I have done

> conventional chemo for about 1 year now. It stopped working in June 2010

> and we have tried several different chemo drugs since then with no

> success. While my oncologist has not told me to go home and die, i have

> decided to try a different path. I began the Budwig diet a couple of

> months ago, but i realize i need a much more potent treatment.

>

> I still work and mostly feel good. I am starting to have achiness in the

> bones in the areas where the cancer is located.

>

> Any experiences with the IV Vitamin C?

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

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Here are three examples of intravenous vit C that may be of interest

to you-

http://peoplebeatingcancer.org/article/intravenously-administered-vitamin-c-canc\

er-therapy-three-cases-0

Emerson

peoplebeatingcancer.org

You wrote:

I was wondering if anyone on the list has had experience with IV

Vitamin C and breast cancer. The cancer is only in my bones (now). I

have done conventional chemo for about 1 year now. It stopped working

in June 2010 and we have tried several different chemo drugs since

then with no success. While my oncologist has not told me to go home

and die, i have decided to try a different path. I began the Budwig

diet a couple of months ago, but i realize i need a much more potent

treatment.

>

> I still work and mostly feel good. I am starting to have achiness

in the bones in the areas where the cancer is located.

>

> Any experiences with the IV Vitamin C?

>

>

[Guest guest]

I think the whole concept of Best Case Studies, which is presented here, is

quite Pollyannaish. There is never any context such as knowing the total

number of cases which used vitamin C. These cases are dated (two are 15

years old) and really not terribly impressive. There have been many

thousands of cases since then where vitamin C was the core therapy. Surely

there were better results. Hasn't anyone performed a prospective study no

matter how informal?

In business a common assessment model in making a decision is looking at the

best possible outcome, the most likely possible outcome, and the worst

possible outcome. I never see discussions of the most likely outcomes or

the poorest outcomes with the use of vitamin C. One non-diabetic woman with

triple negative breast cancer who has come to see me reports that when she

tried infusions of vitamin C at another clinic, her blood sugar would jump

to over 400 and she received no benefit. Do many others have this problem?

I have no idea.

For many clinics the use of IV vitamin C is their main or only therapy.

There is no incentive whatsoever to do an objective study, or invite outside

reviewers to monitor a prospective study. There is no way these docs will

be willing to use this therapy more selectively unless they have some other

way to buttress their income.

I think that if a therapy has been used by tens of thousands of patients

over more than 20 years, the patient has a right to know what to expect -

when it performs best, the most likely outcome, and the worst outcome. Many

products and therapies are very disappointing in this regard.

_____

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of Emerson

Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2011 1:10 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: IV Vitamin C for Stage IV Breast Cancer - Mets to

the bone

-

Here are three examples of intravenous vit C that may be of interest

to you-

http://peoplebeatingcancer.org/article/intravenously-administered-vitamin-c-

cancer-therapy-three-cases-0

Emerson

peoplebeatingcancer.org

[Guest guest]

I highly agree, .

Be Well

Dr.L

-----Original Message-----

.....I think that if a therapy has been used by tens of thousands of patients

over more than 20 years, the patient has a right to know what to expect -

when it performs best, the most likely outcome, and the worst outcome. Many

products and therapies are very disappointing in this regard.

[Guest guest]

I am estrogen positive. I am not specifically on estrogen blockers (no

Tamoxifen or Aromatase Inhibitors). I understand that flax and flax oil may

work as a natural estrogen blocker or at least get to the estrogen receptors

before the bad estrogen does. Otherwise, I am taking nothing specific to

blocking estrogen. I do avoid soy and soy products.

Regards,

J Schmidt

From:

Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2011

, Some breast cancers are sensitive to estrogens, others are not. To

apply estrogen blockers to a non-estrogen sensitive cancer may not be wise.

From: ina

Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011

Are you taking estrogen blockers? My herbalist had cancer come back twice

then went on estrogen blockers for five years and is doing quite well 10

years later.

--- cynthiajschmidt wrote:

>

> I was wondering if anyone on the list has had experience with IV Vitamin C and

breast cancer. The cancer is only in my bones (now). I have done conventional

chemo for about 1 year now. It stopped working in June 2010 and we have tried

several different chemo drugs since then with no success. While my oncologist

has not told me to go home and die, i have decided to try a different path. I

began the Budwig diet a couple of months ago, but i realize i need a much more

potent treatment.

> I still work and mostly feel good. I am starting to have achiness in the bones

in the areas where the cancer is located.

> Any experiences with the IV Vitamin C?

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

The cancer is only in the bones (all other tissues and organs are clear):

.. Right iliac bone adjacent to the SI joint

.. Right pelvic medial acetabulum

.. Multiple vertebral bodies in lower cervical spine, thoracic spine

and in the thoro-columbar

.. Multiple ribs

.. A left lateral maxilla foci

I am dealing with " achiness " I the lower back and the right ribs now. I can

take Advil or Aleve and get relief at this point. There is no dental

disease and I have used Zometa, so I am considering whether to continue. Last

dose was 12/18/2010.

I haven't told the conventional oncologist yet. I am not sure how he is

going to take it. I am putting chemo on hiatus at the very least. I have

been waiting for him to call me when the insurance company and the

pharmaceutical company could agree on a payment schedule for the newly FDA

approved Eribulin. They said it could take 6 weeks.

I am doing my best to avoid " snake oil " salesmen, but in my situation, and

with no " advisor " - that is difficult. I understand that even with an

" advisor " you may be limited to their vision only. Financing is limited,

but I am managing so far. If I become too sick to work, that will be

another story entirely.

I started the Vitamin C IV today. It is a cocktail with other vitamins and

supplemental and cancer support additives. I am also taking a range of

supplements, repairing my gut, detoxing and following the Budwig diet. I

should know in 6 weeks or less whether this is working. If not, I will move

on to something else. We just don't know how much time we have to search

for potential options.

Regards,

J Schmidt

[Guest guest]

The body just refuses to obey orders from authorities. Once a month is not

often enough for the bisphosphonates. I like pamidronate as I have much

experience with its use. It is easier to maintain effective levels using a

dosing schedule of 30 mg/week. You do want to keep your blood pH a bit on

the high side so there is less of a tendency to rob calcium from the bone.

Be sure you are getting you vitamin D. Keep us informed of progress.

_____

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of J Schmidt

Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 12:13 PM

Subject: RE: [ ] Re: IV Vitamin C for Stage IV Breast Cancer -

Mets to the bone

,

The cancer is only in the bones (all other tissues and organs are clear):

.. Right iliac bone adjacent to the SI joint

.. Right pelvic medial acetabulum

.. Multiple vertebral bodies in lower cervical spine, thoracic spine

and in the thoro-columbar

.. Multiple ribs

.. A left lateral maxilla foci

I am dealing with " achiness " I the lower back and the right ribs now. I can

take Advil or Aleve and get relief at this point. There is no dental

disease and I have used Zometa, so I am considering whether to continue.

Last dose was 12/18/2010.

I haven't told the conventional oncologist yet. I am not sure how he is

going to take it. I am putting chemo on hiatus at the very least. I have

been waiting for him to call me when the insurance company and the

pharmaceutical company could agree on a payment schedule for the newly FDA

approved Eribulin. They said it could take 6 weeks.

I am doing my best to avoid " snake oil " salesmen, but in my situation, and

with no " advisor " - that is difficult. I understand that even with an

" advisor " you may be limited to their vision only. Financing is limited,

but I am managing so far. If I become too sick to work, that will be

another story entirely.

I started the Vitamin C IV today. It is a cocktail with other vitamins and

supplemental and cancer support additives. I am also taking a range of

supplements, repairing my gut, detoxing and following the Budwig diet. I

should know in 6 weeks or less whether this is working. If not, I will move

on to something else. We just don't know how much time we have to search

for potential options.

Regards,

J Schmidt

[Guest guest]

" Once a month is not often enough for the bisphosphonates. "

, are you recommending bisphosphonates? Like Sally Field does? I

understood that their method of " stopping bone loss " was due to the interruption

of resorbtion of bone by the osteoclasts. So that the old bone is not removed

and replaced, but remains to eventually weaken and break due to age.

Perhaps the exigencies of an existing cancer would preclude this caution, and if

so, would you explain? I would be surprised to find you approving this

treatment in general for osteoporosis.

Marji

[Guest guest]

,

Could you explain the difference between Zometa and the drug that mentioned?

You say that you have had more experience with that drug - how is it more

effective? Inquiring minds.....

Of course the oncologist tells me that the Zometa makes the bones " inhospitable "

to cancer (however, that doesn't seem to be the case for me..). I have heard a

lot of different stories about the bisphosphonates and that they really don't

work as advertised (not to mention the danger to the kidneys)..

>

> " Once a month is not often enough for the bisphosphonates. "

>

> , are you recommending bisphosphonates? Like Sally Field does? I

understood that their method of " stopping bone loss " was due to the interruption

of resorbtion of bone by the osteoclasts. So that the old bone is not removed

and replaced, but remains to eventually weaken and break due to age.

>

> Perhaps the exigencies of an existing cancer would preclude this caution, and

if so, would you explain? I would be surprised to find you approving this

treatment in general for osteoporosis.

>

> Marji

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Marji and list,

Metronomic aredia and zometa have angiogenesis inhibition value. In addition,

both drugs were found to exerts an inhibitory effect on endothelial cell

adhesion (downgrading " integrin " ) and migration processes, thus inhibiting

metastatic progression.

I think this is the reasoning behind more frequent lower doses of

bisphosphonates was refering to, but I'm sure will remark on

this seperately as well

I also tend to believe that metronomic treatment of these drugs, reduces their

side effects, mainly jaw-bone necrosis

For Osteoporosis, one usually needs only a single conventional dose of either

drug a year.

Gubi

[ ] Re: IV Vitamin C for Stage IV Breast Cancer - Mets to

the bone

" Once a month is not often enough for the bisphosphonates. "

, are you recommending bisphosphonates? Like Sally Field does? I

understood that their method of " stopping bone loss " was due to the interruption

of resorbtion of bone by the osteoclasts. So that the old bone is not removed

and replaced, but remains to eventually weaken and break due to age.

Perhaps the exigencies of an existing cancer would preclude this caution, and

if so, would you explain? I would be surprised to find you approving this

treatment in general for osteoporosis.

Marji

[Guest guest]

I am not convinced that bisphosphonates are that valuable for osteoporosis.

On the other hand I remember the early ninties when bisphosphonates were

held off the market in the US and all the people who got no relief from

their bone cancer pain. I have further seen bisphosphates help stop the

spread of cancer. Are guns good or bad? It depends how they are used.

_____

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of Marjij

Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 7:18 AM

Subject: [ ] Re: IV Vitamin C for Stage IV Breast Cancer - Mets to

the bone

" Once a month is not often enough for the bisphosphonates. "

, are you recommending bisphosphonates? Like Sally Field does? I

understood that their method of " stopping bone loss " was due to the

interruption of resorbtion of bone by the osteoclasts. So that the old bone

is not removed and replaced, but remains to eventually weaken and break due

to age.

Perhaps the exigencies of an existing cancer would preclude this caution,

and if so, would you explain? I would be surprised to find you approving

this treatment in general for osteoporosis.

Marji

[Guest guest]

,

I take 6000 units of D3 daily, and each week i will be getting 100K/ml IM. I

just had my blood tested for Vit D levels, and we will go from there when i get

the results back. I had it tested once before - when i was taking less Vit D

and it was at about 50. I think it should be higher to be optimal. I live in

sunny Florida, but since i work, i am lucky to see the sunshine on the weekends.

With the Budwig diet, i think i am keeping the pH in a good range - though that

has not been tested.

Thanks for your information and encouragement.

>

> The body just refuses to obey orders from authorities. Once a month is not

> often enough for the bisphosphonates. I like pamidronate as I have much

> experience with its use. It is easier to maintain effective levels using a

> dosing schedule of 30 mg/week. You do want to keep your blood pH a bit on

> the high side so there is less of a tendency to rob calcium from the bone.

> Be sure you are getting you vitamin D. Keep us informed of progress.

>

>

>

>

> _____

>

> From: [mailto: ] On

> Behalf Of J Schmidt

> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 12:13 PM

>

> Subject: RE: [ ] Re: IV Vitamin C for Stage IV Breast Cancer -

> Mets to the bone

>

>

>

>

>

> ,

>

> The cancer is only in the bones (all other tissues and organs are clear):

>

> . Right iliac bone adjacent to the SI joint

>

> . Right pelvic medial acetabulum

>

> . Multiple vertebral bodies in lower cervical spine, thoracic spine

> and in the thoro-columbar

>

> . Multiple ribs

>

> . A left lateral maxilla foci

>

> I am dealing with " achiness " I the lower back and the right ribs now. I can

> take Advil or Aleve and get relief at this point. There is no dental

> disease and I have used Zometa, so I am considering whether to continue.

> Last dose was 12/18/2010.

>

> I haven't told the conventional oncologist yet. I am not sure how he is

> going to take it. I am putting chemo on hiatus at the very least. I have

> been waiting for him to call me when the insurance company and the

> pharmaceutical company could agree on a payment schedule for the newly FDA

> approved Eribulin. They said it could take 6 weeks.

>

> I am doing my best to avoid " snake oil " salesmen, but in my situation, and

> with no " advisor " - that is difficult. I understand that even with an

> " advisor " you may be limited to their vision only. Financing is limited,

> but I am managing so far. If I become too sick to work, that will be

> another story entirely.

>

> I started the Vitamin C IV today. It is a cocktail with other vitamins and

> supplemental and cancer support additives. I am also taking a range of

> supplements, repairing my gut, detoxing and following the Budwig diet. I

> should know in 6 weeks or less whether this is working. If not, I will move

> on to something else. We just don't know how much time we have to search

> for potential options.

>

> Regards,

>

> J Schmidt

>

>

>

>

>

>