Re: Studies-Meat Eaters & Vegetarians/was: Colon Hydrotherapy vs Colon Cleansing

[Guest guest]

Hi Mike:

 

I have looked at numerous studies advocating  meat eater or vegetarian diets. 

You will see just as many studies for one as the other.  There is no clear

consensus on which diet is best for optimal health.  I feel it is up to each

individual knowing what is best for their bodies. 

 

Personally, I like what Jerry Brunetti has to say.  I am much more a believer of

studying indivduals who have cured themselves of cancer than some experiment,

because you can never control for each variable. 

 

Just my two cents.

 

Regards.

 

Hi ,

Yes, if you're going to eat meat, grass fed is the best idea.

Even better would be high speed beef or venison. I had a hard time

accepting that meat is bad for us myself, being a meat eater for 50

years.

Has your husband read the Oxford vegetarian study? It was based on over 11,000

voluenteers who participated for a period of 15 years, the effects of a

vegetarian diet on heart disease cancer etc.

The results were as follows - meat eaters are twice as likely to die

from heart disease, 60% greater chance of dying from cancer, and a

30% greater chance of dying from other causes.

The American National Institute of Health, in a study of 50,000

vegatarians, found vegetarians live longer and also have a impressively lower

incidence of heart disease and cancer than meat eating Americans.

As far as getting enough of the essential proteins, it is well

known the eight amino acids making up the proteins needed can be

found in a simple meal of rice and beans. The supergrain Chia has 16

amino acids. Its also All of the Vitamin B12 in the world ultimately

comes from bacteria. Neither plants nor animals can synthesize it.

But plants can be contaminated with B12 when they come in contact

with soil bacteria that produce it. Animal foods are rich in B12

only because animals eat foods that are contaminated with it or

because bacteria living in an animal's intestines make it.

So in reality there is nothing in animal protein that the body

requires, you cant find in a diet rich in fruits and vegs, beans

etc. I could produce hundreds of other studies, but what is the

point? I would say if you do decide to eat meat etc, do it in

small moderation.

All the best in health

Mike

[Guest guest]

Studies, and especially comparisons of studies can draw many

conclusions, and while many stats may have merit, it can also be

convenient to leave out certain considerations.

While I agree that everything is moderation is a more prudent choice

for diet, meat is not especially bad for us. Meat can most

effectively provide certain amino acids, proteins and other benefits

versus a purely vegan diet that has been proven to be lacking in

certain nutrients.

However, the point here is that the whole cholesterol issue has been

left out of the equation in the vegan/meat comparison. Cholesterol -

which is bad, which is good, saturated versus polyunsaturated, etc.

The food industry has completely hijacked this issue beginning in the

50's and reversed out thinking on the truth about cholesterol. Why?

Because it is much more profitable to produce vegetable oils than

saturated cooking oils. The founding of the Amer. Heart Assoc. was by

the food industry to " label " poly products as heart healthy. Can you

say Trans fat!!!!! Now it's appropo to label things as 0% trans fat -

whoopee, I'm so relieved, aren't you? Ever wondered what that really

means?

If you really delve in to study the facts about cholesterol, the truth

is that saturated fats are much more highly beneficial than

consumption of polyunsaturated fats. Saturated fats actually provide

benefits to the heart and vascular system. Polyunsaturated fats are

the culprit in arterial plaque and heart disease, not saturated fats.

How often does the anomaly of the many French studies come up who

indulge in diets rich in saturated fats, and eschew poly fats.

My point is that in the vegan diet, there is usually not a lot of

polyunsaturated fats in the diet from using cooking oils. The primary

oils in a vegan diet are olive, peanut, coconut and palm oils. These

are monosaturated fats derived naturally, not from a heating and

extraction process which actually bends the molecular shape of

vegetable oils and disallows the body from processing them.

Try this experiment. Keep a bottle of vegetable oil around for a

while - it gets sticky, gummy and foul. However, you can keep bacon

grease, cocunut oil, etc. in your cupboard for ages and it doesn't go

bad. Our parents and grandparents lived on this stuff, as well as

lard for frying chicken and other things. CHD (coronary heart

disease) didn't even appear in medical books till the introduction of

vegetable oils. Hmmmmm!

A typical meat eater diet consists of many fried foods - using the

polyunsaturated fats. Whether it is french fries, fried fish, chicken

fingers (kids favorite) and other processed foods, etc., many contain

various poly oils. Vegetable, soy and especially the really bad

hydrogenated polys. Soy products are bad for us and should not be a

part of our diet, yet look at the wide range of products that contain

soy now. Soy prevents the uptake of nutrients into our body.

So in reviewing the stats of the referenced studies between the vegan

and meat eater, it is easy to overlook the other issues that may

explain the difference. For more information on saturated versus

unsaturated, I refer you to the Weston A. Price Foundation website,

where a few brave souls are willing to take on the food industry hype.

http://www.westonaprice.org/

And the last question to ask - is who funds these studies? You'd be

surprised at the proponents and their connections to the food

industry. There are many round about ways through bogus and front

foundations tied back to the industry to give the appearance of

credibility and validity.

Chuck