Re: Increasing blood flow to diseased area ...

March 9, 2009

,

I'm not going to guess what the source of the pain is, but you are on

safe ground doing the several things you mentioned. Also, I believe you

probably know how to do a castor oil pack?

Mike

wrote:

>

> Hey y'all,

>

> I have a dx of peritoneal mets and I'm having strange pain right below

> my rib cage on either side ... feels like muscle, except that when I

> contract the muscle, it doesn't hurt. Expanding it does, however ..

> yawning, deep breathing, stretching, twisting. Anyway, I've been using

> heat on this area and massage because both of them feel so good. It is

> most likely disease-related ... whether it's peritoneal inflammation

> caused by little tumors or whether it's from the fluid around my

> liver, I don't know. I've also been getting some acupuncture for

> various imbalances, but many of the needles are placed in the

> abdominal area.

>

> Does anyone know if heat, acupuncture, or massage to an area where

> there is active disease is good or bad? I know that it's recommended

> for cancer patients to exercise and exercise definitely increases

> blood flow, so I would think it would be OK. Any insight from the group?

>

> xoo

>

March 9, 2009

>

> I'm not going to guess what the source of the pain is, but you are on

> safe ground doing the several things you mentioned. Also, I believe you

> probably know how to do a castor oil pack?

>

Yeah, I tried a castor oil pack ... the only real thing it did for me was make a

big mess!

xxoo

March 9, 2009

blood flow is definitely good - and good blood is very important (Budwig

protocol!) - cayenne pepper is excellent for blood flow and has strong

anti-cancer effects

Chamberlain

www.fightingcancer.com

Hey y'all,

I have a dx of peritoneal mets and I'm having strange pain right below my rib

cage on either side ... feels like muscle, except that when I contract the

muscle, it doesn't hurt. Expanding it does, however .. yawning, deep breathing,

stretching, twisting. Anyway, I've been using heat on this area and massage

because both of them feel so good. It is most likely disease-related ...

whether it's peritoneal inflammation caused by little tumors or whether it's

from the fluid around my liver, I don't know. I've also been getting some

acupuncture for various imbalances, but many of the needles are placed in the

abdominal area.

Does anyone know if heat, acupuncture, or massage to an area where there is

active disease is good or bad? I know that it's recommended for cancer patients

to exercise and exercise definitely increases blood flow, so I would think it

would be OK. Any insight from the group?

xoo

March 10, 2009

I once took a short massage course with a German-trained masseur, and

afterwards attended as a patient. He was brilliant.l

In conversation, he said that if there is cancer in the body, or lympth, it

should not be massaged without a doctor's specific permission.

He was very careful about this.

Rowena

http://www.massagetoday.com/mpacms/mt/article.php?id=13542

.. . .

but there have been concerns that massage therapy actually can cause the

cancer to spread. Most massage therapy schools taught that cancer was a

contraindication for massage. The two main concerns of how massage therapy

could spread cancer involved its effects on circulation and the cancer

tumors. Research continues to dispute the original concerns that massage

therapy can spread cancer. The support to dispute this myth grows each year

through credible experts and numerous studies.

Oncology massage therapy actually is a combination of many styles of massage

incorporated into one session. The differences in the styles and techniques

used with cancer patients are noticeable, both visually and physically.

Oncology massage is a non-invasive technique, specifically adapted for

individuals of all ages and types of cancer. Cancer patients should only

receive massage therapy from a therapist educated in oncology massage. A

therapist uneducated in the adaptations of these styles and proper

techniques actually can cause the cancer patient to develop different

conditions and even cause the death of the patient. There are

contraindications and precautions for a cancer patient to receive massage

therapy. This list has grown over the years to become more complete and

ensure that those who are educated in oncology massage also are educated in

what they should not do and what they should be cautious of.

Acceptance of massage therapy for cancer patients from medical professionals

has been a continuing educational process for the medical institutions,

physicians and the oncology massage therapists. The medical institutions

require credentials and protocols for treatment and procedure manuals. This

means a massage therapist must be able to produce documentation and

certification that he or she has had education in massage for cancer

patients, in addition to the standard education in massage therapy. The

therapist also must have detailed protocols for treatment that give an

outline of the therapy plans for each stage of cancer, such as: pre- and

postsurgical protocols, chemotherapy and radiation protocols, lymphedema

protocols and scar tissue protocols. The therapist also must provide a

correctly formatted procedure manual under the requirements of a joint

commission.

The physicians must be educated in the benefits of oncology massage and how

to properly refer patients with a correct prescription and diagnosis. This

is another educational responsibility of the oncology massage therapist - to

meet with these physicians and provide them with hard, undeniable evidence

of medical studies. The best evidence has been patient testimony after a

physician sends their first referral. . . .

http://www.massageregister.com/Articles/Massage-Therapy-For-Cancer-Patients.asp

Here are a few important guidelines to help massage therapist when working

with cancer patients.

Obtain medical clearance for massage from the client's healthcare provider.

Use a side lying position and/or special propping to increase client comfort

if he or she is unable to lay prone due to central lines on the upper chest

wall, radiation burns, or surgical wounds.

Avoid massage over or near IV's, catheters, surgical wounds over known

cancer sites, radiation burns, or known tumors sites.

Adjust the treatment to the client's stamina. Suggest that the client

receive massage on high-energy days and times. Massage received on low

energy days and times may actually feel depleting to the client.

Massage may be contraindicated if the client's has spread to the bones. If

medical clearance has been obtained, pressure, traction, and joint

mobilizations may be contraindicated or only cautiously used.

If the client is experiencing nausea due to cancer treatments, avoid

pressure and speed that rocks the client. This includes joint mobilizations,

stretches, and jostling.

http://www.aromacaring.co.uk/essential_oils_and_contraindicat.htm

http://www.somatics.de/PathologyBook/Intro.htm Pathology:

Contraindications and Indications for Manual Therapy

http://www.somatics.de/PathologyBook/Cancer.htm

'cancer massage contraindications' brings up a host of hits.

Hey y'all,

I have a dx of peritoneal mets and I'm having strange pain right below my

rib cage on either side ... feels like muscle, except that when I contract

the muscle, it doesn't hurt. Expanding it does, however .. yawning, deep

breathing, stretching, twisting. Anyway, I've been using heat on this area

and massage because both of them feel so good. It is most likely

disease-related ... whether it's peritoneal inflammation caused by little

tumors or whether it's from the fluid around my liver, I don't know. I've

also been getting some acupuncture for various imbalances, but many of the

needles are placed in the abdominal area.

Does anyone know if heat, acupuncture, or massage to an area where there is

active disease is good or bad? I know that it's recommended for cancer

patients to exercise and exercise definitely increases blood flow, so I

would think it would be OK. Any insight from the group?

xoo

March 10, 2009

Well this really confuses me. The massage feels SO good to this painful area

and causes the pain to ease. But if increasing the blood flow makes the

metastatic processes increase, than what am I supposed to do... sit on the couch

and be sedentary??? How could the one thing that relieves the pain be bad? It

doesn't STAY gone, of course, but still ... the dx already has it all over my

belly and my bones ... also nodes in my neck. Plus, when I take a brisk walk

w/my dogs ... get my blood moving ... the pain is less. So, you're saying that

I should just stop being active??? I thought clearing the lymphatic system was

a good thing?

xxoo

>

> I once took a short massage course with a German-trained masseur, and

> afterwards attended as a patient. He was brilliant.l

>

> In conversation, he said that if there is cancer in the body, or lympth, it

> should not be massaged without a doctor's specific permission.

>

> He was very careful about this.

>

> Rowena

>

> http://www.massagetoday.com/mpacms/mt/article.php?id=13542

> . . .

> but there have been concerns that massage therapy actually can cause the

> cancer to spread. Most massage therapy schools taught that cancer was a

> contraindication for massage. The two main concerns of how massage therapy

> could spread cancer involved its effects on circulation and the cancer

> tumors. Research continues to dispute the original concerns that massage

> therapy can spread cancer. The support to dispute this myth grows each year

> through credible experts and numerous studies.

> Oncology massage therapy actually is a combination of many styles of massage

> incorporated into one session. The differences in the styles and techniques

> used with cancer patients are noticeable, both visually and physically.

> Oncology massage is a non-invasive technique, specifically adapted for

> individuals of all ages and types of cancer. Cancer patients should only

> receive massage therapy from a therapist educated in oncology massage. A

> therapist uneducated in the adaptations of these styles and proper

> techniques actually can cause the cancer patient to develop different

> conditions and even cause the death of the patient.....

March 10, 2009

I have had Metastasized Melanoma, 5 times over the course of 15 years

and along with different sites that l had tumors in, my leg and armpit were the

worst and continued to be the most painful. I had 17 lymph nodes removed from my

right armpit, and a very large tumor removed from my inter thigh leg several

years later (2004). The pain l felt somedays was unbelieveable and unbearable

but l found a simple solution to my dilemma, and it's called Skin Brushing.

What you do is get a soft but good bristle long wood handled brush don't wet it

use as is and start from the ankles and brush upwards towards your heart, then

start at you wrists and moving the brush up to your shoulder in gentle but long

swift strokes...a little like giving your hair a good brushing, then at your

neck go down towards your heart moving along your chest cavity. This should be

done first thing in the morning when you rise, it should take you about 3 to 5

minutes and concentrating on the area that feel the most painful because that is

where you are most blocked.You will feel the difference, l can promise you that,

it unclods the system and allows your blood to cirulate and moves the blockages

from the lympatic system.

If l miss a day or two l can really feel the difference and yet this is such an

easy and safe way to help your body rid it's self of pollutants and toxicity.The

chances are you can find a brush like this at a good health food store, and

possibly someone that will explain in more detil of what l have posted here,

although the procedure isn't complicated. The other thing l do every morning is

drink a warm glass of a real lemon juice in it. This will balance your bodies PH

level and make your body more alkalined less acidic... thus able to clear out

the impurities that can be the reason you become clogged in the first place. I

can understand why the massage therapists don't want clients that have our kind

of problems, they worry they might move the cancer cells around the body thus

making the therapists feel they are accountable...

This is a simple exercise but it works well, l have been doing this since 2006

and so far l have had very little pain (only if l forget to do my exersise) and

so far " touch wood " no Cancer tumors have come back.

Holly

March 10, 2009

>

> What you do is get a soft but good bristle long wood handled brush don't wet

it use as is and start from the ankles and brush upwards towards your heart,

then start at you wrists and moving the brush up to your shoulder in gentle but

long swift strokes...a little like giving your hair a good brushing, then at

your neck go down towards your heart moving along your chest cavity. This should

be done first thing in the morning when you rise, it should take you about 3 to

5 minutes and concentrating on the area that feel the most painful because that

is where you are most blocked.You will feel the difference, l can promise you

that, it unclods the system and allows your blood to cirulate and moves the

blockages from the lympatic system.

>

So how do you brush your torso cuz my pain is right below my rib cage? Also, my

massage therapist is totally fine working on my belly, as is my acupuncturist.

Once you have tiny tumors all in your skeleton and abdomen, what the heck? It's

already metastatic ... how could it be made worse when it's had access to all

over my body (being even in the bone marrow)?

xxoo

March 11, 2009

,

Did you read the articles at source? They present the opposite view to what has

been held to be so for some years, and are for massage, on the whole.

In fact, my therapist didn't say not to do it, but that it had to be done with

the approval of a Doctor (i.e. know what you are doing). And the articles

indicate that it should be done by a specialist in oncology massage.

For instance, with lymphatic drainage, some people get in there very vigorously,

whereas it should be done with a gentle pushing motion, according to my

masseur's daughter, or damage can be done even to people without cancer.

I didn't see anything say they shouldn't exercise, just that the therapist

shouldn't do anything rash. I don't know anything about exercise and cancer.

" First do no harm " . Then, I guess, know what you are doing and how to do it

right.

My masseur learnt in Germany, where they have a sort of apprenticeship, and he

used to go back regularly for courses. (On one course a woman praised the way

she did lymphatic drainage (quite hard) and she got a rollicking from the

instructor for the harm she would be causing.) Here in Australia, he was

shocked to find many people practicing in a very inexpert way, even dangerous

in some cases, and actually left the professional association here because of

the many non-professional attitudes and practices. Back to lymphatic drainage -

he said that they would just massage one area, say the limb that was bothering

the patient, whereas the whole body should be done each treatment (and done

properly, of course). But because that was tiring and time consuming, so less

profitable, they did not do that, they cut corners to the detriment of the

patient.

" Do it right " .

That's all. I am not an expert, just passing on what the expert told me, and

checking it on the net. I am certainly not saying what you should do! The

experts change their views,so what is the patient to think? We learn and become

our own experts, because we are inside the body concerned.

R