Re: Re: glutamine and glutamic acid

January 4, 2009

Jim,

What's the difference between Glutamine, L-glutamine, Glutamic Acid, and

Glutamine Peptides?

Glutamine is the amino acid in its free-form, which means it's in its

whole food state, whenever you eat foods such as almonds and peanuts your

ingesting glutamine amino acids. L-Glutamine is basically the same thing. Its

glutamine in its free-form (whole food). The majority of supplement companies

sell L-glutamine and tout it as the best form, which it is not.

Glutamic Acid is familiar if one turns over their container of protein

powder and sees " glutamic acid " . Why not glutamine instead of glutamic acid?

" The reason is that the acid hydrolysis stage of the analysis converts the

glutamine into glutamic acid, releasing ammonia. Thus the glutamic acid level

actually represents the combined levels of glutamine and glutamic acid. " (ref).

One can figure out the amount of glutamine in the glutamic acid content fairly

easy. In animal proteins such as whey, casein, milk, and egg proteins 50% is

actually glutamine. In plant proteins such as soy, 80% is glutamine.

Glutamine Peptides in Layman's Terms

To understand the differences in glutamine peptides and regular glutamine,

one must first obtain the knowledge of exactly what are peptides and how they

are different from free form amino acids. Peptides are amino acids broken down

into their smaller more digestible form using the hydrolyzation process. Only

hydrolyzation can produce the smaller peptides, superior to free form amino

acids and larger peptides currently found in your whey proteins that are

produced NOT using the hydrolyzation method. The supplement companies make it

sound difficult because there is a small amount of peptides that occur

naturally, regularly commercially produced whole-protein supplements.

Unfortunately, what the don't tell you is that these are the larger peptides

with a high molecular weight, which is different from smaller di and tri

peptides that are produced using the hydrolyzation method.

Several studies have shown that smaller peptides are better absorbed than

larger peptides and regularly manufactured protein.

1. Amino acids from peptides are more readily absorbed than free-form

amino acids, thus producing a greater insulin reaction.

2. Humans fed smaller peptides compared to whole-protein foods had a

greater increase in amino acid levels.

3. Hydrolysated products produce greater pharmacological effects

(increasing gh - growth hormone (somatropin) - and insulin response).

4. OLIGOPEPTIDES are LARGER PEPTIDES, which are absorbed much SLOWER than

small tri and di peptides. Supplement companies try to use the word

" oligopeptides " to fool the customer with scientific mumbo-jumbo when they're

actually stabbing themselves in the back!

From: jrrjim

Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 3:09 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: Best way to get intestina flora back up to speed?

So l-glutamine and l-glutamic acid are different? I would think they

are the same. But I am not a chemist.

> >

> > Jim,

> >

> > if you want that stuff to stick to your gut, then add l-glutamine

> to your plan....maybe 5000 mg on an empty stomach when you get up

in

> the morning. It heals the gut and prepares it to accept the

bacteria.

> >

> > Johanne

> >

> > From: jrrjim

> > Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 10:55 AM

> >

> > Subject: [ ] Best way to get intestina flora back up to

> speed?

> >

> > I just had to take a round of antibiotics. It was unavoidable,

and

> I

> > now need to get my intestinal flora back up to speed. What is the

> best

> > and quickest way to do this?

> >

> > I am currently taking 4 - 6 " PB8 " pills a day. I took them

> throughout

> > the course of antibiotics, which was probably a waste, and I am

> > continuing to take them.

> >

January 4, 2009

I also wanted to add that I had my digestive system tested through saliva and

there is no function in it. I have had two long years of chemo as a child for

infectious tuberculosis and developed serious food allergies that destroyed the

gut entirely. The good news is that it can fully regenerate! So I have been

diligently eating foods that I am not allergic to (I did an MRT test) and now

after 6 months, I am finding myself able to digest a few foods on that list if I

eat it once a week or so. It is slow but I am very aware that my immune system

is in my gut so I need to keep this healthy.

One thing I am doing in the morning on an empty stomach is take 5g of

l-glutamine. I am allergic to all other supplement mixes out there because most

have turmeric and my blood test showed I am severely allergic to that, pineapple

and papaya. That does not help me heal the gut but I can avoid the supplements

that claim miracles too.....

I am working hard at keeping this beast at bay and so far, 14.5 years free but I

am no fool. This beast threatens day and night.

Bless you,

Johanne

From: Johanne Wayne

Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 6:50 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: glutamine and glutamic acid

Jim,

What's the difference between Glutamine, L-glutamine, Glutamic Acid, and

Glutamine Peptides?

Glutamine is the amino acid in its free-form, which means it's in its whole food

state, whenever you eat foods such as almonds and peanuts your ingesting

glutamine amino acids. L-Glutamine is basically the same thing. Its glutamine in

its free-form (whole food). The majority of supplement companies sell

L-glutamine and tout it as the best form, which it is not.

Glutamic Acid is familiar if one turns over their container of protein powder

and sees " glutamic acid " . Why not glutamine instead of glutamic acid? " The

reason is that the acid hydrolysis stage of the analysis converts the glutamine

into glutamic acid, releasing ammonia. Thus the glutamic acid level actually

represents the combined levels of glutamine and glutamic acid. " (ref). One can

figure out the amount of glutamine in the glutamic acid content fairly easy. In

animal proteins such as whey, casein, milk, and egg proteins 50% is actually

glutamine. In plant proteins such as soy, 80% is glutamine.

Glutamine Peptides in Layman's Terms

To understand the differences in glutamine peptides and regular glutamine, one

must first obtain the knowledge of exactly what are peptides and how they are

different from free form amino acids. Peptides are amino acids broken down into

their smaller more digestible form using the hydrolyzation process. Only

hydrolyzation can produce the smaller peptides, superior to free form amino

acids and larger peptides currently found in your whey proteins that are

produced NOT using the hydrolyzation method. The supplement companies make it

sound difficult because there is a small amount of peptides that occur

naturally, regularly commercially produced whole-protein supplements.

Unfortunately, what the don't tell you is that these are the larger peptides

with a high molecular weight, which is different from smaller di and tri

peptides that are produced using the hydrolyzation method.

Several studies have shown that smaller peptides are better absorbed than larger

peptides and regularly manufactured protein.

1. Amino acids from peptides are more readily absorbed than free-form amino

acids, thus producing a greater insulin reaction.

2. Humans fed smaller peptides compared to whole-protein foods had a greater

increase in amino acid levels.

3. Hydrolysated products produce greater pharmacological effects (increasing gh

- growth hormone (somatropin) - and insulin response).

4. OLIGOPEPTIDES are LARGER PEPTIDES, which are absorbed much SLOWER than small

tri and di peptides. Supplement companies try to use the word " oligopeptides " to

fool the customer with scientific mumbo-jumbo when they're actually stabbing

themselves in the back!