Re: What's the take on DCA these days?

[Guest guest]

Hello jrrjim,

I don't know if DCA would be o.k. with Budwig. It is a mildly toxic

substance. The strict Budwig people would, of course, eschew it.

Currently there are some successes reported combining DCA

with large amounts of caffeine. You are right, though, that the early

reports are beyond what the current experience is.

Mike

Wednesday, June 18, 2008, 1:25:13 AM, you wrote:

j> So what's the take on DCA these days? I read that a clinic in Toronto

j> was administering it to patients, and saw the results of that - the

j> results weren't nearly as impressive as the first press releases awhile

j> back about the drug.

j> But I am wondering if DCA could be taken in conjunction with the Budwig

j> protocol and be far more effective. They both seem to have similar

j> effects -- turning the mitochondria back on -- although they achieve

j> the effects through different methods.

--

Best regards,

goldenmike mailto:goldenmike@...

[Guest guest]

One of the things that crossed my mind about the early DCA reports --

You know -- lab rats get a perfect diet.

Humans don't.

Maybe if humans had a perfect diet and took DCA, they too would

experience the results seen in rats.

Just a thought.

>

> j> So what's the take on DCA these days? I read that a clinic in

Toronto

> j> was administering it to patients, and saw the results of that -

the

> j> results weren't nearly as impressive as the first press releases

awhile

> j> back about the drug.

>

> j> But I am wondering if DCA could be taken in conjunction with the

Budwig

> j> protocol and be far more effective. They both seem to have

similar

> j> effects -- turning the mitochondria back on -- although they

achieve

> j> the effects through different methods.

>

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>

>

> --

> Best regards,

> goldenmike mailto:goldenmike@...

>

[Guest guest]

Hello jrrjim,

You also have species dependent differences. In rats limonene, for

example, causes cancer. In humans limonene kills cancer cells.

Different enzyme sets can makwe all the difference in the world.

Mike

Wednesday, June 18, 2008, 9:51:48 AM, you wrote:

j> One of the things that crossed my mind about the early DCA reports --

j> You know -- lab rats get a perfect diet.

j> Humans don't.

j> Maybe if humans had a perfect diet and took DCA, they too would

j> experience the results seen in rats.

j> Just a thought.

[Guest guest]

On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 14:51:48 -0000, " jrrjim " <jim.mcelroy10@...>

said:

> One of the things that crossed my mind about the early DCA reports --

>

> You know -- lab rats get a perfect diet.

>

> Humans don't.

>

> Maybe if humans had a perfect diet and took DCA, they too would

> experience the results seen in rats.

>

> Just a thought.

Perhaps we should be eating the rats' perfect diet and using DCA.

ar

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Arlyn Grant

arlynsg@...

[Guest guest]

On Jun 17, 2008, at 11:25 PM, jrrjim wrote:

> But I am wondering if DCA could be taken in conjunction with the Budwig

> protocol and be far more effective. They both seem to have similar

> effects -- turning the mitochondria back on -- although they achieve

> the effects through different methods.

>

>

I was looking at Paw Paw conflicts on the

http://alternativecancer.us/index.htm#Table

site and it lists as possible conflict- Flaxseed oil (FO); and

conflicting- supplements containing L-Cysteine, which is the amino acid

in cottage cheese (CC) that combines with the FO to make the emulsion

that allows the absorption and use of the FO. I emailed the contact

people on that list and they sent me an email saying it was alright to

take the Budwig FOCC with Paw Paw. Cantron and Protocel also list FO

as a possible conflict. Since these protocols all depress energy in

the mitochondria they do seem to conflict with the above statement.

I'm wondering if I should be dropping the FOCC. The other thing we are

taking is LDN. I don't know how it fits into this and whether it is

more compatible with the Budwig protocol or with the Paw Paw or

Cantrol/Protocel protocols??? People on the LDN forum do seem to take

FOCC with it.

DH seems to be at a stable position but doesn't do testing. I would

like to see reduction though.

[Guest guest]

HI,

I am taking LDN , Paw Paw and ARtemix ( stronger

version of artemisinin) and do take flax seed in my

diet. Stomach has not been upset or any nausea.

I suppose it depends on your type of cancer and how

ill you have been but I am feeling fine with these

protocols.

Just finished radiofrequency ablation for lung tumor

and the new doctor did discuss he is also doing DCA

with some of his patients as we were talking about

alternatives. He said he is having good success with

DCA with his prostate and breast cancer late stage

patients. Didn't discuss further but will ask him

again this Sat. when I have my follow up appt.

Dee

16 mos with metatastic secondary lung

--- Tad Winiecki <winiecki@...> wrote:

>

> On Jun 17, 2008, at 11:25 PM, jrrjim wrote:

>

> > But I am wondering if DCA could be taken in

> conjunction with the Budwig

> > protocol and be far more effective. They both

> seem to have similar

> > effects -- turning the mitochondria back on --

> although they achieve

> > the effects through different methods.

> >

> >

>

> I was looking at Paw Paw conflicts on the

>

> http://alternativecancer.us/index.htm#Table

>

> site and it lists as possible conflict- Flaxseed oil

> (FO); and

> conflicting- supplements containing L-Cysteine,

> which is the amino acid

> in cottage cheese (CC) that combines with the FO to

> make the emulsion

> that allows the absorption and use of the FO. I

> emailed the contact

> people on that list and they sent me an email saying

> it was alright to

> take the Budwig FOCC with Paw Paw. Cantron and

> Protocel also list FO

> as a possible conflict. Since these protocols all

> depress energy in

> the mitochondria they do seem to conflict with the

> above statement.

> I'm wondering if I should be dropping the FOCC. The

> other thing we are

> taking is LDN. I don't know how it fits into this

> and whether it is

> more compatible with the Budwig protocol or with

> the Paw Paw or

> Cantrol/Protocel protocols??? People on the LDN

> forum do seem to take

> FOCC with it.

>

> DH seems to be at a stable position but doesn't do

> testing. I would

> like to see reduction though.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Where do you get paw paw and artemix Dee?

~Amber

-------Original Message-------

I am taking LDN , Paw Paw and ARtemix ( stronger

version of artemisinin) and do take flax seed in my

diet. Stomach has not been upset or any nausea.