Re: iatrogenic deaths

[Guest guest]

Mr. Shaman Urban, (I think you're a guy),

You've made a very important point with your post

by defining iatrogenic for the list, but you

might consider several additional very important unnecessary causes of death.

Next comes:

" Self-fulfilling-prophesy-ogenic " deaths. This

is when the physician, because of indoctrination

and impoverished experience, believes that the

patient is going to die (e.g., late stage cancer)

and makes no sincere effort to help.

Then comes:

" Administration-ogenic " deaths. The insurance is

running out and the administration wants

closure. This leads to the ice-to-the-lips dehydration.

And the related:

" Hospice-ogenic " deaths. The patient checks in

because it is the only way they can get analgesics, etc. More ice to the lips.

Then there's:

" Corporation-government-collusion-ogenic "

deaths. The policy is one of privatizing profits

and socializing the environmental

devastation. We are blithely experiencing a slow

motion version of Great Permian-Triassic

Extinction of 250 million years ago. It took the

planet about 30 million years to recover the loss

of as much as 95% of all life on

earth. Physicians are the expert witnesses and

silent confederates that allow corporations to

dump millions of tons of poisons into the environment each year.

Don't forget the:

" Ignore-the-healing-powers-of-nature-ogenic "

deaths. Very few physicians have ever seen a

natural healing process with cancer. They don't

know what they are looking at. They routinely

use diagnostic tools and medicines that hinder or interrupt natural healing

And the elitist:

" that's-their-lot-in-life-ogenic " deaths. Its

really racism. There is no real effort to knock

out infectious disease and parasites in Africa.

Don't forget:

" There's-already-too-many-people-ogenic "

deaths. Physician advisors sit in on government

think tanks to contribute their wisdom to population shaping.

And,

" Iatro-war-ogenic " deaths. Physicians parade

around in military officers' uniforms. Their job

is to patch 'em up and send 'em back to the front

so the enemy gets another whack at them.

Then there is always the:

" Iatro-pecuniary-ogenic " deaths. " Sorry, Bud,

but you ain't got no money. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha,

ha, ha, ha, ha !! Git your butt outta here. "

Sometimes there is the:

" Who-the-hell-do-you-think-you-are-calling-me-when-I'm-playing-golf-ogenic "

deaths. Yeah, who do you think you are?

There is the:

" Physician-in-charge-at-executions-ogenic "

deaths. A survey showed that 70% of physicians

consider it their social responsibility to assist.

And:

" Physician-assisted-suicide-ogenic " deaths. But

they want you thrown in jail if you want to use

an alternative method to heal your problem.

I am sure that there are a few cancer physicians

who would do anything they can to help you, but

remember that every bell curve has two

tails. For every good physician there is an evil

twin who would love to strap on a gun and shoot you on sight.

Some may think that my list is a little harsh, so

in fairness I think I'll compile a list of the

deceased who were not killed by physicians.

At 06:37 PM 4/16/2009, Shaman Urban wrote:

>You wrote : I am glad that there are folks on

>this site genuinely trying to protect us

>desperate cancer patients from getting killed.

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>

>We have 300 to 500 reported deaths per year,

>taking aspirin: (taken as directed).

>

>Your reaction to ozone therapy is very rare as

>the odd of a diver dying during his first deep

>dive from an embolism. Unfortunately this

>happens every year and nobody would not who is

>at risk or who is not.. The only to avoid this

>risk is to never dive with a tank in more than 30 feet deep.

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>

>But you have a lot of " incident " that are

>avoidable. Lets look at conventional treatment

>best kept secret. Here I am not talking about

>useless surgeries and treatments used everyday..

>

>To get a better understanding, let’s define an important medical term.

>

>Iatrogenic: Something that happens as the result

>of the action of a physician or a therapy the doctor prescribed.

>

>Therefore, an iatrogenic disease, is a disease

>that may be inadvertently caused by a physician

>or surgeon or by a medical or surgical treatment or a diagnostic procedure.

>

>Only in the US for example :

>

>As few as 5% and no more than 20% of iatrogenic

>events are ever reported. (1)(2)(3)(4)(5)(6)(7)

>

>So let’s take the number of avoidable

>(latrogenic) deaths that are reported and

>multiply it times the number above to get a

>better estimate of how many actually occur.

>

>In 1994, for example, if all latrogenic events

>were reported we would have more than

>783,936 deaths.

>

>On a ten year basis the number of iatrogenic

>deaths is more than all the casualties from wars

>that America has fought in its entire history (1)

>

>“ Our report shows that casualties are

>equivalent to 6 jumbo jets falling out of the sky each and every day “ (1)

>

>How many is too many?

>

>The actual yearly number of latrogenic deaths could be around

>999,936 deaths (1)

>

>Never before have the complete statistics on the

>multiple causes of iatrogenesis been combined in

>one article, a special thanks to: Null,

>PhD; Carolyn Dean MD, ND; Feldman, MD;

>Debora Rasio, MD; and Dorothy , PhD

>

>In light of these numbers, The American Medical

>system is the leading cause of death and injury in The United States (2)

>

>Sources:

>(1) Null, PhD; Carolyn Dean MD, ND;

>Feldman, MD; Debora Rasio, MD; and Dorothy

>, PhD . © 2003,

>(2)Leape LL. Error in medicine. JAMA. 1994 Dec 21;272(23):1851-7.

>(3)Brennan TA, Leape LL, Laird NM, Hebert L,

>Localio AR, Lawthers AG, et al. Incidence of

>adverse events and negligence in hospitalized

>patients. N Engl J Med 1991; 324: 370-376.)

>(4) C, Stanhope N, Crowley- M.

>Reasons for not reporting adverse incidents: an

>empirical study. J Eval Clin Pract. 1999 Feb;5(1):13-21

>(5)A Critical Analysis of Patient Safety

>Practices, Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality (AHRQ), 2001

>(6)Dickinson JG. Dickinson’s FDA Review. March 2000; 7 (3):13-14.

>(7)Cohen JS. Overdose: The Case Against the Drug

>Companies. 2001, Tarcher-Putnum New York

>

>

[Guest guest]

Very Nice post. LOL . You have a lot of different talents !!

I love it and I should frame it !!

I am a man even if when I meditate it seems that I cant remember it :-)

One of the most important causes of death that you should/could add to your list

is

The NOCEBO_OGENIC

If Placebo, as you will see below, is linked to our expectation of reward: the

NOCEBO , I believe, is linked to our expectation of pain. The fact that an

oncologist will tell you : you have a cancer and then predict your expectency of

life; when he had absolutly NO CLUES is devasttating for patients. He can't

predict S...T

The oncologist can't predict in which part of the graph bell shape the patient

will be. What if the patient is in the far right of this graph? What if the

patient is out of the chart with a spontaneous remission.? What if the patient

get well with Alternative treatments ?

This NOCEBO effect is very powerful : in some society after being cursed people

died drop dead in the next fews weeks.

MD and Oncologist, to a certain extent are superstitious (like most of people)

but they are not stupid.. 75 % will never have chemo knowing perfectly that this

is just another " vodoo corporate white man medecine "

A Very Cool Placebo Study

A researcher named Jon-Kar Zubieta, a neurologist at the University of Michigan,

used some amazing trickery in order to discover that the driver of placebo

effect in the brain is an area called the nucleus accumbens (NAcc).

What is interesting, (and actually makes sense) is that this area of the brain

is responsible for our expectancy of reward.

I won't go into too much detail about the actual study (it involved researchers

sticking subjects in the jaw with a needle to cause pain - OUCH!!!), and then

giving them an

intravenous pain cure.

The cure of course was just plain old saline solution (a

placebo).

The PET scans revealed that the placebo caused an

actual dopamine boost with highest dopamine release coming

from the nucleus accumbens (NAcc).

All the subjects experienced some relief, but some more

than others.

So the researchers used fMRI on the same subjects to see if there was a

correlation between those who got the best placebo effect with those who

potentially had the most active nucleus accumbens (NAcc).

Scientists are tricky! Here is how they pulled it off. While using fMRI to

monitor brain activity, they had the

subjects play a game where they could receive monetary rewards. The anticipation

of reward intensified the

activity in the nucleus accumbens.

A Very Interesting Result

The cool part is that the people who had the highest activity in the NAcc during

the game are the same people who had the most profound placebo effect in the

pain part of the study.

So it seems that it pays to have an NAcc that hums if you want to get cured by a

sugar pill. I have been thinking about this study a lot and it begs this

question. Could we actually train ourselves to enhance our expectancy of reward,

thus strengthening the NA? If so, this might mean we could develop some ability

for self healing. Or it just might be genetic - nobody knows right now.

P.S. Here are some other cool facts about the placebo

effect:

*Orange, Red and other hot colored tablets work better as

stimulants.

*Cool colored ones (blue, green, purple) work better as depressants.

*Big pills generally work better than small pills!

*Higher priced pills work better than lower priced pills.

*Injections work better than tablets

*And " branded " tablets work better than unbranded tablets!

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[Guest guest]

Hello Shaman,

Yes, nocebo-ogenic is an important addition to the list. I

imagine that the " -ogenic " list will continue to lengthen.

A couple of weeks ago I decided to give a talk on bias in medical

decision making. I thought it would be a short talk, but then the

list grew, and grew, and grew, and grew. I still haven't given an

adequate talk on this because I've yet to find any area of medicine

without life-affecting bias.

Thank you for your contributions to the list. There are a few others

on this list who should be thanked. I hope list members send them an

off-list thank you from time to time. The members to thank are those

who know how to operate their own heads. Their hope, as is mine, is

that everyone on this list becomes addicted to the joys of thinking

for oneself.

[Guest guest]

I should frame all this!!!

Especially : " This NOCEBO effect is very powerful : in some society after being

cursed people died drop dead in the next fews weeks. "

The other disease is the need for " official " diagnosis (painful, dangerous,

invasive poking and prodding)for people to accept that one has x or y.

My husband had a bad back -crippling pain. He got it cured two times round ( at

large gaps of time and the second time he had lifted too many heavy things when

he should watch out)with Ayurveda massages and other treatments but people

around then sort of feel it was not really slipped disc but who cares!!!

My dog had a pea sized growth on her upper nipple for years which early this

year grew rapidly and then burst and looked ulcerated. In order for the vets to

diagnose it as malignant cancer ( which by all I can verify online it is most

likely) they would subject her to a lot of pain to do what they anyway would do

and which would cause her much more pain. She is now at least quite normal and

happy- the thing is also looking as if it is improving.

I trudged through a killing depression for years with all sorts of kindly people

advising me to see a shrink-I was totally functional and just researched online

and now I'm quite out of it. I could not take the risk that antidepressant can

lead to suicide when I was already quite suicidal. I'm of course grateful to

those doctors who kept in touch with me b y email and offered help.

Reading through the messages in this group and others like it is really

heartening and more so the fact that most of you are so cheerful and upbeat.

Thanks

Gita

I am a man even if when I meditate it seems that I cant remember it :-)

This NOCEBO effect is very powerful : in some society after being cursed people

died drop dead in the next fews weeks.

*Higher priced pills work better than lower priced pills.

[Guest guest]

Thank you to you for helping all of us. It is not easy to go against the flow of

misinformation and we need more people like you to guide us but few are willing

to fight ignorance and stupid conformism as much as you do.I know how

depressing it can be sometimes.

Thank you to you !!

Thank you for your contributions to the list. There are a few others

on this list who should be thanked. I hope list members send them an

off-list thank you from time to time. The members to thank are those

who know how to operate their own heads. Their hope, as is mine, is

that everyone on this list becomes addicted to the joys of thinking

for oneself.