Re: Fw: On the Attack - Expectations for a Cancer Cure

[Guest guest]

I prayed on the course of treatment to take and I am a licensed Holistic

Practitioner. And the message from God was " Get the tumor removed surgically " .

I am working with an MD that is also a Oriental Medical Doctor and

Naturopath. He said the same thing. We combine East and West. Everyone has

to do

what they are guided to do.

[Guest guest]

A new approach?

The current one had been running 40 years. How long the next?

This is medical gobbledegook............words to excite the masses but which

will continue to fail because 'They Don't Have A Clue'.

Granted there are 'cancers' that have been kept in remission and as many experts

believe, simply because they would not have killed or, thought called cancer,

are not the deadly form. A perfect example is 'some' Prostate Cancer which in

many cases would not result in death before the victim dies of some other cause.

What we need to see is true statistics showing how many people dying of

Respitory or heart Failure are really dying from the Cancer or in too many

cases, the treatment for cancer. I take no pleasure in the 'new approach'

because it will not be Alternative as we know it.

Joe C.

[Guest guest]

I already have a cancer cure. I call it my cure all.

I'm pretty much satisfied with my own methods and tools for curing all

cancers. I can cure all my friends and all my relatives of any kind of

cancer as long as they are not almost dead or have been thoroughly

mangled beyond repair by drugs / radiation / chemotherapy / surgery.

I just combine principles of health from Barefoot Herbalist, Hulda

, Naturopathy, PH Balancing, s Moritz, Natural Hygene,

Fruitarian, Vegan and Raw Paleolithic concepts, detoxing tools, some

electrotherapy tools, and pollution avoidance measures.

The problem is the masses are brainwashed to think a cure for cancer or

any disease lies in 1 magic bullet. They don't care to read or learn

the principles of true health. That all these principles combined

together nurture and nourish the human being and the human being being a

self healing / self curing " machine " readily cures itself of anything.

That western " allopathic / symptomatic " drug / pharmaceutical /

radiation / chemotherapy / surgery QUACK medicine is a whopping dead end

no matter how much corporate advertising, sponsoring, media

brainwashing, and medical doctor drug pushing is done, it will never

cure cancer nor even come close to truly healing and making people

absolutely healthy because the whole system is rigged to make $$$$$$ and

more $$$$$$. I just call a spade a spade. That there is no " science "

in western medicine, the whole logic is UPSIDE DOWN for the purpose of

profits.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not being harsh, I'm just giving my honest,

altruistic observation.

The gist is that:

Cures for cancer and all diseases exist today, right now, has been

written so for many decades, has been in practice for many years, has

been curing many, many people, and with the internet, we need to just

VOLUNTARILY broadcast it to the world because the big $$$ money $$$

makers are not interested in the TRUTH about REAL CURES for cancer or

any diseases because truthful cures are NOT PROFITABLE for the entire

money based system.

I'm making a new web site now. Unfinished still. Cure alls my way at

http://www.curemanual.com

Regards to all

Edwin

[Guest guest]

Hi.

Once again I see opinions from members that appear to be

saying, " Dismiss all mainstream treatment out of hand. Forget about

it. There is nothing there for anyone. It is totally worthless,

deadly, will kill you. "

I am living in very good health 18 years after a diagnosis of low-

grade lymphoma,(according to " official " statistics I should have been

dead 8-10 years ago), and I know that I owe my success to BOTH

alternative treatment AND JUDICIOUS choice of mainstream treatments,

too. I dismiss nothing out of hand. I will not stop watching what

mainstream does, because despite what anyone says, the do indeed come

up with some useful therapies on occasion. Monoclonal antibody

treatment WITHOUT a radioactive isotope attached, worked wonders for

me when nothing else was working. And the low grade, dose-modulated

involved field radiation delivered via trilogy may well have made it

so that I NEVER develop ANY new tumor growth.

But that last part is DEFINITELY BASED ON my remaining faithful to my

ALTERNATIVE regimen. If I were to go back to junky food, lack of

exercise, poor sleep habits, not drinking enough water, not taking

supplements, getting stressed, etc, it would not surprise me at all

if the cancer returned.

I AM A CANCER CLIENT. I keep abreast of ALL that I can that is

happening in the field of healing from cancer. I educate myself as

best I can, and I CHOOSE from all available treatments what I feel

will work best for me while doing the least harm.

Do I think mainstream cancer treatment is moving in the right

direction? Nope. Certainly not. Would I recommend to someone newly

diagnosed with cancer to use mainstream treatment as their first line

of treatment. No, I would not. I have consistently recommended Budwig

or Gerson. Do I think mainstreamers will one of these days come up

with THE CURE for cancer? NO. I think the very notion is ridiculous,

and is simply a carrot the American Cancer Society and the National

Cancer Institute hang in front of the ignorant noses of the masses in

order to pick their pockets.

I simply do not think it wise to completely turn one's back on

mainstream treatment, for the reasons I have already given. Here and

there I have found what I consider to have been indispensable help

with my living with cancer through mainstream treatment. That's all.

Best wishes and best of health,

Elliot

[Guest guest]

Elliot,

I admit, I'm guilty as charged

(I dismiss mainstream treatment outright as I think they are deadly and

will kill you.)

I admit, I also turned my back on the whole mainstream medicine business

I admit there is use for mainstream medicine the emergency room where

their emergency life saving methods are indeed useful sometimes like

gunshots, gashes, falls, injuries, etc.

I admit I don't give vaccinations to my children, I don't give

supplements, nor artificial vitamins to my children, I don't give drugs

to my children and we don't go to pediatricians.

I also admit we don't own a television set. So me and my kids watch

zero TV.

I admit, I'm guilty as charged

Just my opinion though, people are free to do what they want with their

lives.

Regards to all

Edwin

breathedeepnow wrote:

>

> Hi.

>

> Once again I see opinions from members that appear to be

> saying, " Dismiss all mainstream treatment out of hand. Forget about

> it. There is nothing there for anyone. It is totally worthless,

> deadly, will kill you. "

>

> I am living in very good health 18 years after a diagnosis of low-

> grade lymphoma,(according to " official " statistics I should have been

> dead 8-10 years ago), and I know that I owe my success to BOTH

> alternative treatment AND JUDICIOUS choice of mainstream treatments,

> too. I dismiss nothing out of hand. I will not stop watching what

> mainstream does, because despite what anyone says, the do indeed come

> up with some useful therapies on occasion. Monoclonal antibody

> treatment WITHOUT a radioactive isotope attached, worked wonders for

> me when nothing else was working. And the low grade, dose-modulated

> involved field radiation delivered via trilogy may well have made it

> so that I NEVER develop ANY new tumor growth.

>

> But that last part is DEFINITELY BASED ON my remaining faithful to my

> ALTERNATIVE regimen. If I were to go back to junky food, lack of

> exercise, poor sleep habits, not drinking enough water, not taking

> supplements, getting stressed, etc, it would not surprise me at all

> if the cancer returned.

>

> I AM A CANCER CLIENT. I keep abreast of ALL that I can that is

> happening in the field of healing from cancer. I educate myself as

> best I can, and I CHOOSE from all available treatments what I feel

> will work best for me while doing the least harm.

>

> Do I think mainstream cancer treatment is moving in the right

> direction? Nope. Certainly not. Would I recommend to someone newly

> diagnosed with cancer to use mainstream treatment as their first line

> of treatment. No, I would not. I have consistently recommended Budwig

> or Gerson. Do I think mainstreamers will one of these days come up

> with THE CURE for cancer? NO. I think the very notion is ridiculous,

> and is simply a carrot the American Cancer Society and the National

> Cancer Institute hang in front of the ignorant noses of the masses in

> order to pick their pockets.

>

> I simply do not think it wise to completely turn one's back on

> mainstream treatment, for the reasons I have already given. Here and

> there I have found what I consider to have been indispensable help

> with my living with cancer through mainstream treatment. That's all.

>

> Best wishes and best of health,

>

> Elliot

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi.

>

> Once again I see opinions from members that appear to be

> saying, " Dismiss all mainstream treatment out of hand. Forget about

> it. There is nothing there for anyone. It is totally worthless,

> deadly, will kill you. "

>

Finally, a little common sense added . btw, still not smoking here ! I hope

this typing shows

up finally.

[Guest guest]

Edwin, I am living, very healthy proof that mainstream treatment is

not necessarily deadly and will not necessarily kill you. It would

not surprise me if some people have died because they absolutely

refused to do any mainstream treatment.

When the tumor on my neck was so large it was threatening to erode my

carotid artery on that side, causing me to bleed to death, there was

no longer time to try any further mainstream treatment. I knew

monoclonal antibody treatment was 99.9% safe and I went ahead with it

and it shrunk that tumor from softball-sized down to nothing within 4

weeks.

Your particular stand appears to me a kind of fanaticism. I certainly

was not going to chance bleeding to death or a suffering a paralyzing

stroke rather than try a mainstream treatment I knew was not deadly.

Right there is the unfortunateness of deciding that all mainstream

treatment is deadly. One throws out the baby with the bath water. I

cannot put my case any more clearly, and so I am off this thread

until the next time someone comes along with the thought that 100% of

mainstream therapy is worthless and deadly. Let's say 95% of it is.

But for me, that remaining 5% has been invaluable.

I agree with you that we are all free to choose, but we CANNOT choose

wisely if we turn ourselves completely off to one part of the

totality of cancer treatment.

Respectfully and best of health to you,

Elliot

[Guest guest]

Elliot,

It sounded like a medical emergency. They did a good job in your

emergency at that time. As I previously stated, I am of the opinion

that western medicine is only suited for emergency situations.

Heroics. (the rest of their theories about diet, health, disease,

surgery for disease, drugs for disease belong in the trash can... along

with their sidekick the junk food industry).

If you knew then what you know now, your case would never have gotten to

the point that you needed " heroic " emergency procedures. If you knew

then what you know now, you would have realized it then that the tumor

was a mere symptom and you would have used that tumor as your personal

laboratory without the need for expensive diagnostics to show you you

were cancer free.

Detection of cancer or any disease is a no brainer. You walk into the

house and see what the people are eating or polluting themselves with

and follow the habits of the sick for a day or two and you can see

immediately how their habits and choices are slowly killing themselves.

They just haven't realized it yet.

Congratulations on your recovery!

May you inspire more people to be cured as well.

Regards,

Edwin

breathedeepnow wrote:

> Edwin, I am living, very healthy proof that mainstream treatment is

> not necessarily deadly and will not necessarily kill you. It would

> not surprise me if some people have died because they absolutely

> refused to do any mainstream treatment.

>When the tumor on my neck was so large it was threatening to erode my

> carotid artery on that side, causing me to bleed to death, there was

> no longer time to try any further mainstream treatment. I knew

> monoclonal antibody treatment was 99.9% safe and I went ahead with it and it

shrunk that tumor from softball-sized down to nothing within 4 weeks.

>Your particular stand appears to me a kind of fanaticism. I certainly

> was not going to chance bleeding to death or a suffering a paralyzing stroke

rather than try a mainstream treatment I knew was not deadly.

>Right there is the unfortunateness of deciding that all mainstream

> treatment is deadly. One throws out the baby with the bath water. I

> cannot put my case any more clearly, and so I am off this thread

> until the next time someone comes along with the thought that 100% of

mainstream therapy is worthless and deadly. Let's say 95% of it is.

> But for me, that remaining 5% has been invaluable.

>I agree with you that we are all free to choose, but we CANNOT choose

> wisely if we turn ourselves completely off to one part of the

> totality of cancer treatment.

>Respectfully and best of health to you,

>Elliot

[Guest guest]

Greetings,

Well said, Edwin. I would see a doctor for a broken leg, or on the rare

occasion when I needed a diagnostic blood work, but I would not take

their advice or pills. I have learned the hard way, lost too many years

of my life to their doctrines, never again. We treat our animals the

same, now our vet comes to us for information.

Bright Blessings,

Kim

Edwin Casimero wrote:

> Elliot,

>

> I admit, I'm guilty as charged

> (I dismiss mainstream treatment outright as I think they are deadly and

> will kill you.)

>

> I admit, I also turned my back on the whole mainstream medicine business

>

> I admit there is use for mainstream medicine the emergency room where

> their emergency life saving methods are indeed useful sometimes like

> gunshots, gashes, falls, injuries, etc.

>

> I admit I don't give vaccinations to my children, I don't give

> supplements, nor artificial vitamins to my children, I don't give drugs

> to my children and we don't go to pediatricians.

>

> I also admit we don't own a television set. So me and my kids watch

> zero TV.

>

> I admit, I'm guilty as charged

>

> Just my opinion though, people are free to do what they want with their

> lives.

>

> Regards to all

> Edwin

>

>

[Guest guest]

Elliot

monoclonal antibody treatment sounds like a good treatment. I think

stem cell treatment also seems promising.

GB

>

> Edwin, I am living, very healthy proof that mainstream treatment is

> not necessarily deadly and will not necessarily kill you. It would

> not surprise me if some people have died because they absolutely

> refused to do any mainstream treatment.

>

> When the tumor on my neck was so large it was threatening to erode

my

> carotid artery on that side, causing me to bleed to death, there

was

> no longer time to try any further mainstream treatment. I knew

> monoclonal antibody treatment was 99.9% safe and I went ahead with

it

> and it shrunk that tumor from softball-sized down to nothing within

4

> weeks.

>

> Your particular stand appears to me a kind of fanaticism. I

certainly

> was not going to chance bleeding to death or a suffering a

paralyzing

> stroke rather than try a mainstream treatment I knew was not deadly.

>

> Right there is the unfortunateness of deciding that all mainstream

> treatment is deadly. One throws out the baby with the bath water. I

> cannot put my case any more clearly, and so I am off this thread

> until the next time someone comes along with the thought that 100%

of

> mainstream therapy is worthless and deadly. Let's say 95% of it is.

> But for me, that remaining 5% has been invaluable.

>

> I agree with you that we are all free to choose, but we CANNOT

choose

> wisely if we turn ourselves completely off to one part of the

> totality of cancer treatment.

>

> Respectfully and best of health to you,

>

> Elliot

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, Edwin.

Yes, it was an emergency, and the emergency occurred, as I see it,

because I violated one of the MOST important tenets of my ALTERNATIVE

treatment program: NO PROLONGED, AVOIDABLE NEGATIVE STRESS.

Subjecting oneself to sustained negative stress, as many of us know

on this board, literally pumps toxins into one's system 24 hours a

day! It is one of the deadliest things one can do. So when you

say, " If you knew then, what you know now... " I cannot disagree with

you, Edwin. If I knew then what I know now, I believe I can say, with

a good degree of accuracy, that the emergency situation would never

have arisen---that I would still be in remission/cured.

And I should also tell you, Edwin, the mainstream people might not

have done as good a job of shrinking the tumor had I not been

continually educating myself about all kinds of things. By that I

mean that I combined the use of strenuous exercise with the

monoclonal antibody treatment dur to my having read, in a mainstream

medical textbook, that doing one minute of strenuous exercise doubles

the number of killer cells circulating in the lymphatic system and

keeps the level there for about an hour.

Since, with monoclonal antibody treatment, it is THE BODY ITSELF that

destroys cancer cells, NOT chemical poisons, I believe the strenuous

exercise I did for one minute every hour helped very significantly in

the phenomenal shrinkage of the tumor.

Of course, the oncologist couldn't care less about what I did, and

will never suggest to any of his other clients to whom he administers

monoclonal antibody treatment that they do what I did. It was,

without a doubt, an astounding amount of shrinkage, but no one has

ever done a peer-reviewed, double-blind study on what I did, and I am

a mere lay person, so the oncologist paid no attention at all to me

when I told him about my method. (Members, if you EVER hear about

anyone getting monclonal antibody treatment, just see if you can get

them to run in place as fast as they can on a soft-bounce rebounder

for one minute every hour while receiving the treatment. That's all

there is to it, and it could help the treatment immensely.)

You ane I are not too far apart at all, Edwin. I even have a

board I moderate called " Never-do-harm-to-anyone, " the title being

taken from the ORIGINAL version of the Hippocratic Oath, before

somebody changed it to " First do no harm. " I guess most oncologists

figure the very first visit they receive from someone with cancer

fulfills the " first do no harm " part of things. After that, they can

administer cysplatinum, doxorubicin and other very toxic poisons with

a clear conscience!

Best wishes and best of health,

Elliot

[Guest guest]

Hi, GB.

Well, at least monoclonal antibody treatment is a modality that works

WITH the wondrous, miraculous body, whereas much of mainstream cancer

treatment insults and injures the body. With regard to stem cell

treatment, I must assume you are talking about some of the newer

stuff being tried with stem cells, not stem cell transplantation,

which is a horrendous procedure.

Regarding monoclonal antibody treatment, it is, for just about

everyone who gets it for lymphoma, only a temporary fix. It

definitely has its drawbacks, as of course do nearly all mainstream

treatments. The drawbacks to monoclonal antibody treatment(MAT) for

lymphoma are these:

1) It causes the body to destroy ALL B-cells, cancerous AND non-

cancerous. If the destruction was permanent, MAT would not even be an

option, as the B-cells are a very necessary part of the totality of

the immune system. But the B-cells reproduce themselves after about 6-

9 months, BOTH healthy AND cancerous ones.

2) While the lymphoma cancer cells do not become resistant to MAT,

mainstream physicians are concerned that treating a person too many

times with MAT could at some point cause the body not to repopulate

itself with B-cells, which would be very dangerous.

3) MAT is best described as " a powerful immunosuppressant, " and

anyone at all familiar with the real health and healing knows that

suppressing the immune system is NOT GOOD. I read some months back

about a man who was on immunosuppressant drugs for about 10 years as

a mainstream method of trying to keep Crohn's Dis-ease at bay. At the

end of that time he was diagnosed with lymphoma. DUUH...I wonder why

THAT happened? Surely it could not have been due to TEN YEARS of

suppressing his immune system with drugs... How terribly sad that the

Crohn's could have been effectively dealt with naturally. Instead of

that, he now has BOTH Crohn's AND lymphoma! And on top of that, the

doctors can't even treat him with their chemotherapy, due to the

Crohn's! He may well be dead by this time, another person killed by

the ineptitude of mainstream medicine in treating degenerative dis-

ease.

Using mainstream cancer treatment to one's advantage certainly takes

a lot of self-education, in order not to fall victim to its many pit-

falls. I always bear in mind that oncologists and radiologists have

the means and the stupidity to " turn me into a piece of meat. " Of

course those who do not educate themselves and who use mainstream

treatment only, may never learn what it takes to achieve real health,

and so they stand a good chance of suffering a relapse or of being

diagnosed with some other major degenerative dis-ease.

I have never forgotten the communication I had with a young man who'd

received radiation for head/neck cancer and who described himself as

a " monster. " He'd been very seriously and permanently burned, and

could no longer properly open and close his mouth. He was a

significant part of the reason it took me 17 YEARS to decide to

submit myself to radiation treatment to my neck and jaw. Radiation

treatment has come a very long way in 17 years. Even so, radiologists

regularly burn clients seriously with it, and even so, it is still

not curing most cancers.

Best wishes,

Elliot