Guest guest Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 Your story was touching. I was diagnosed CLL 9 years ago next month. It is hard to see and hear about others going thru " the struggle. " I pray for all of us. N. Xavier Arnold From: dorrnancy <dorrnancy@...> Sent: Tue, 12 May 2009 11:51 pm I picked up a People magazine last Friday and it had the stories of both Farran Fawcett and , who's cancers have now spread much more extensively. As most people know, Farrah is dying. I will be watching the documentary of her treatment this Friday at 9pm PST. No matter which path we choose, cancer is a heart-breaking illness. My heart goes out to these cancer survivors. Farrah tried alternative treatments in Germany, which caused abdominal bleeding and other complications. None of us know what the end result of our efforts will be in this battle against this deadly and very serious illness. Back in 1994 when I was fighting what I thought was a hopeless battle, I thought to myself, " What if none of this works? I would be wasting my time, maybe my last moments on earth. " But then the other voice told me, " But what if you don't at least TRY? " Here's to all the courageous cancer survivors on this website and around the world who are trying to beat this terrible illness. I wish all of us well. But there are no guarantees. When I read a story like Farrah's or 's, it scares me because I can't deny that cancer KILLS people. It is now estimated that 40% of the American population will get some form of cancer in their lifetime. By the way, everyone, I am doing great. I feel wonderful. I hike 12-15 miles a week and work out at the gym. I am 100% back!!! I am starting an intensive 90 day cleanse of all my body's organs. I am allowing for some seafood at my sister's beach cottage in North Carolina next month, however. Here's to Jim wanting to enjoy his life with a bit of animal protein!!! I am going to enjoy the heck out of my seafood. I haven't eaten fish in a long time. This may be the only time for quite a while, but I am looking forward to it. It will be fresh right out of the sea. And no, I'm not going to worry about the bit of mercury in one night's pleasure. Dorr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 I'm more concerned with finding the truth regarding the China Study than trying to promote eating animal protein for pleasure. I'm also concerned with finding what is healthiest for me and others. I think we have been shaped by millions of years of evolution to require some animal protein, but not a lot -- certainly not bacon and eggs for breakfast, a hamburger for lunch, and steak and potatoes for dinner. Most of our animal food today comes from extremely sick animals fed extremely sick genetically engineered plant food and injected with poisons on a daily basis. I don't know for sure, but it has been estimated that our omega 3 to omega 6 intake 100 years ago was 1 to 1, including the fats obtained from healthy animal protein. Now the ratio is about 20-1 (omega 6 to omega 3) for the average American. The excessive omega 6's clog up cell respiration and screw up cell metabolism, leading to anerobic respiration of cells leading to cancer. We may be wise to strive for a 1:1 balance of omega 6 to omega 3. Note that Budwig DOES NOT achieve this balance (on its own), but, rather, supplies too much omega 3. But this is just speculation on my part (Mike Golden thinks there is a scientifically based dynamic tension between 3's and 6's best obtained by a 1-1 balance, and historical data seems to indicate that this was the natural balance until recently). There is also some historical evidence that most of humanity used to live within 50 miles (or so) of the sea, and therefore we may NEED healthy seafood, sunshine, and iodine to remain healthy. I am assuming that if people COULD do well with no animal protein, that many civilizations would have sprung up not consuming any animal protein. Animal protein is a pain in the ass to get, compared to raising crops (and/or foraging for vegetable food). Animal protein was the original fast food, often very fast. Instead we see this constant push for people to get some animal protein. Hunter-gatherer societies are the norm for pre-agricultural societies, and the " hunter " is half the equation, despite the dangers of hunting verus gathering food that doesn't bite back. And in agricultural societies, people seem to have always kept animals along with their crops, even though the animals are, again, a pain in the butt to keep. If we were meant to be pure vegetarian, wouldn't our digestive systems have evolved over millions of years to handle a pure vegetarian diet better? Instead, our digestive systems are omnivorous, handling anything from meat to wheat. In fact, it is only the hunters that develop superior brain functions, and for humans to have developed their oversized craniums means that they HAD TO BE predators, for at least part of their diets. Otherwise we'd be stupid, because you don't need many brains to find fields of grass and chew it. Now, a diet for someone who is ill is often different than a diet for someone who is healthy. I am not sure what diet is best for a cancer patient, but some things seem to emerge from trial and error. Sugar is a killer, obviously. Too much animal protein seems very bad too, for several reasons. And a lot of green organic vegetable food seems to help a lot. I'm not sure about Kelley's " metabolic types " . I do know that I crave animal protein a lot. Does this mean it is good for me? Well, I also crave greasy pepperoni pizza and ice cream and Reeses Peanut Butter Cups and gallons of Diet Coke and even still get strong cravings for smoking a really good cigar. Obviously none of those things are good for me. So cravings are not necessarily an indicator of what the body needs! > Here's to Jim wanting to enjoy his life with a bit of animal protein!!! I am going to enjoy the heck out of my seafood. I haven't eaten fish in a long time. This may be the only time for quite a while, but I am looking forward to it. It will be fresh right out of the sea. And no, I'm not going to worry about the bit of mercury in one night's pleasure. > > Dorr > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 dorrnancy wrote: > I picked up a People magazine last Friday and it had the stories of both Farran Fawcett and , who's cancers have now spread much more extensively. As most people know, Farrah is dying. I will be watching the documentary of her treatment this Friday at 9pm PST. > No matter which path we choose, cancer is a heart-breaking illness. My heart goes out to these cancer survivors. Farrah tried alternative treatments in Germany, which caused abdominal bleeding and other complications. > , well put. Didn't Farrah do chemo and rads before doing the alternatives? Sad thing is if she dies, they will say the alterantives didnt' work and that is why she died. Do you know what the tv show is that she will be on Friday night? in MN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 What we do not know is what Farrah Fawcett actually entertained as Alternative treatment or whether or not she did what she was supposed to. I know someone that went to Germany to seek 'tumor shrinkage' using something she could not get here and then, if successful, would have surgery to remove the smaller tumor back in the U.S. Perhaps Farrah would have been better off right here in the U.S. but all of this is conjecture and we just do not know. Just today I learned of two people I know of, one developing Eye Cancer and the other with advanced Pancreatic and Liver cancer. It is evident to me that the choice to go Alternative is often less physical abuse than the conventional and even when unsuccessful often results in longer life with less misery along the way. Just another reason I seek Alternative help and why I work with someone that knows what works and what doesn't. This is something like being one's own attorney in a court case..............not too smart going it alone while trying to get through the hype and 'magic' some offer. Joe C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 I watched the O'Reilly Factor last night and was so mad I could have spit! O'Reilly did a piece on Farrah and he had a really green surgical oncologist woman on as his guest. First, he hit it right when he began his interview by stating that he lost his own father to melanoma at age 62 but that it was the radiation that killed him, not the cancer. He then asked the doctor if the war on cancer was progressing and of course she said yes and went on to talk about " all the wonderful things " that are being done and marvelous success rates, etc...and of course I wanted to just vomit. That woman was so stupid in her answers, even my husband said so. O'Reilly wrapped up his interview by asking what people could do to prevent cancer and she said they should have gene screening done! ARE YOU KIDDING ME?????? Not a single work about diet, processed foods, alkalizing the body, exercise, vitamin D, nothing! I listened to her and got more and more frustrated and by the time it was over I realized that she had basically given me a death sentence with all of her nonsense. Yet here I sit, almost 2 years after being diagnosed with a recurrence of Hodgkin's Lymphoma and being told I would die by an oncologist unless I followed the conventional protocol of more chemo and a stem cell transplant, well on my way to being cancer free as evidenced by an ultrasound this morning! Debbie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 List Do we want to compose a letter and send it to OReallyy. Perhaps we can get him intererested?y Deborah Lindberg wrote: > > > I watched the O'Reilly Factor last night and was so mad I could have > spit! O'Reilly did a piece on Farrah and he had a really green > surgical oncologist woman on as his guest. First, he hit it right > when he began his interview by stating that he lost his own father to > melanoma at age 62 but that it was the radiation that killed him, not > the cancer. He then asked the doctor if the war on cancer was > progressing and of course she said yes and went on to talk about " all > the wonderful things " that are being done and marvelous success rates, > etc...and of course I wanted to just vomit. That woman was so stupid > in her answers, even my husband said so. O'Reilly wrapped up his > interview by asking what people could do to prevent cancer and she > said they should have gene screening done! ARE YOU KIDDING ME?????? > Not a single work about diet, processed foods, alkalizing the body, > exercise, vitamin D, nothing! I listened to her and got more and more > frustrated and by the time it was over I realized that she had > basically given me a death sentence with all of her nonsense. Yet > here I sit, almost 2 years after being diagnosed with a recurrence of > Hodgkin's Lymphoma and being told I would die by an oncologist unless > I followed the conventional protocol of more chemo and a stem cell > transplant, well on my way to being cancer free as evidenced by an > ultrasound this morning! > > Debbie > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 How did you do it? My husband has a recurrence of Non Hodgkins Lymphoma. We tried to get it using every imaginable alternative treatment and it just kept growing. Thanks, Karyn Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry Re: [ ] Farrah Fawcett and I watched the O'Reilly Factor last night and was so mad I could have spit! O'Reilly did a piece on Farrah and he had a really green surgical oncologist woman on as his guest. First, he hit it right when he began his interview by stating that he lost his own father to melanoma at age 62 but that it was the radiation that killed him, not the cancer. He then asked the doctor if the war on cancer was progressing and of course she said yes and went on to talk about " all the wonderful things " that are being done and marvelous success rates, etc...and of course I wanted to just vomit. That woman was so stupid in her answers, even my husband said so. O'Reilly wrapped up his interview by asking what people could do to prevent cancer and she said they should have gene screening done! ARE YOU KIDDING ME?????? Not a single work about diet, processed foods, alkalizing the body, exercise, vitamin D, nothing! I listened to her and got more and more frustrated and by the time it was over I realized that she had basically given me a death sentence with all of her nonsense. Yet here I sit, almost 2 years after being diagnosed with a recurrence of Hodgkin's Lymphoma and being told I would die by an oncologist unless I followed the conventional protocol of more chemo and a stem cell transplant, well on my way to being cancer free as evidenced by an ultrasound this morning! Debbie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 , What are you using for your cleanse. I want a good one and know that I need one. What do you suggest? I am happy to hear you are doing so well! You are so right, cancer is a mean disease. It doesn't matter who you are, what age, race, gender, or religion, it doesn't discriminate. I am glad you chose to fight! And so far have Won! Enjoy the seafood. us well. But there are no guarantees. When I read a story like Farrah's or 's, it scares me because I can't deny that cancer KILLS people. It is now estimated that 40% of the American population will get some form of cancer in their lifetime. YOu wrote: By the way, everyone, I am doing great. I feel wonderful. I hike 12-15 miles a week and work out at the gym. I am 100% back!!! I am starting an intensive 90 day cleanse of all my body's organs. I am allowing for some seafood at my sister's beach cottage in North Carolina next month, however. Here's to Jim wanting to enjoy his life with a bit of animal protein!!! I am going to enjoy the heck out of my seafood. I haven't eaten fish in a long time. This may be the only time for quite a while, but I am looking forward to it. It will be fresh right out of the sea. And no, I'm not going to worry about the bit of mercury in one night's pleasure. Dorr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 Debbie, I am happy to hear you are doing so well. Keep doing what is working. I agree that conventional medicine leaves much to be desired. If we go to universal health care so more people best get educated about diet, processed food v whole organics, etc. Raven I watched the O'Reilly Factor last night and was so mad I could have spit! O'Reilly did a piece on Farrah and he had a really green surgical oncologist woman on as his guest. First, he hit it right when he began his interview by stating that he lost his own father to melanoma at age 62 but that it was the radiation that killed him, not the cancer. He then asked the doctor if the war on cancer was progressing and of course she said yes and went on to talk about " all the wonderful things " that are being done and marvelous success rates, etc...and of course I wanted to just vomit. That woman was so stupid in her answers, even my husband said so. O'Reilly wrapped up his interview by asking what people could do to prevent cancer and she said they should have gene screening done! ARE YOU KIDDING ME?????? Not a single work about diet, processed foods, alkalizing the body, exercise, vitamin D, nothing! I listened to her and got more and more frustrated and by the time it was over I realized that she had basically given me a death sentence with all of her nonsense. Yet here I sit, almost 2 years after being diagnosed with a recurrence of Hodgkin's Lymphoma and being told I would die by an oncologist unless I followed the conventional protocol of more chemo and a stem cell transplant, well on my way to being cancer free as evidenced by an ultrasound this morning! Debbie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 If you have Non Hodgkin's Lymphoma use a magnetic pulser to pulse the swollen lymph nodes and infected areas..These lumps will be eliminated in a short time..I have a friend who is back to perfect health and he was terminal...He used the pulser and a Rife Plasma Machine...Also lots of nutrition including the Budwig Protocol and the Beck Blood Purifier...It works.... A.R From: <karyn_hughes How did you do it? My husband has a recurrence of Non Hodgkins Lymphoma. We tried to get it using every imaginable alternative treatment and it just kept growing. Thanks, Karyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 I used Bill 's protocol plus a bunch of other stuff plus Low Dose Naltrexone. Please email me if you would like more info. Debbie ________________________________ From: " karyn_hughes@... " How did you do it? My husband has a recurrence of Non Hodgkins Lymphoma. We tried to get it using every imaginable alternative treatment and it just kept growing. Thanks, Karyn Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From: Deborah Lindberg <debannlin@...> .....Yet here I sit, almost 2 years after being diagnosed with a recurrence of Hodgkin's Lymphoma and being told I would die by an oncologist unless I followed the conventional protocol of more chemo and a stem cell transplant, well on my way to being cancer free as evidenced by an ultrasound this morning! Debbie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 debannlin@... writes: > > I watched the O'Reilly Factor last night and was so mad I could have spit! > Have you emailed him? Oreilly @ foxnews.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 Enjoy your fresh Fish . I occasionally stray once or twice a year myself. But after A while I found I no longer need to eat certain foods to have simple pleasures. No longer need a cold beer to enjoy a foot ball game. No longer need a cup of coffee in the AM to wake up. No longer get the after noon blas from coming down a sugar high! I focus on what I foods I can have, not what I can't have. One simple statement I read recently I found interesting all sources of protein on Earth come from Plants. Including fish whome obtain it from sea plant life, same as a cow gets its protein from what it eats. So like it or not vegan or not your getting your protein from plants just with the added fat and cholestrol. I think its important we agree to disagree on many different subjects, working toward what WE believe is our best course of action. I am open minded enough to change COURSE if its in my best interest. All the best, Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 Without returning to meat vs. plants, for the sake of proper nutrition, be advised that by plants, if one means greens.................one cannot get sufficient protein from them alone to remain healthy. One must include nuts or they are going to be deficient in the building blocks needed. Additionally, and it is pretty well established, many vegetarians that simply eschew meat and do not consume enough protein, are deficient in B-12 and are not as healthy as their life-style would have them believe. Fruitarians need to eat veggies or they won't get the minerals needed to convert the acids in some fruits to usable elements. My thoughts to all...........Nuts to you vegetarians! Eat them that is! Joe C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 I have not emailed him on this issue. I have emailed him in the past but I'm not so sure he gets them/reads them as he gets so much mail and you are limited to how many words you can send. From: " szukipoo@... " debannlin (DOT) com writes: > > I watched the O'Reilly Factor last night and was so mad I could have spit! > Have you emailed him? Oreilly @ foxnews.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 Nuts aren't for everyone either... From: JCastron1 Without returning to meat vs. plants, for the sake of proper nutrition, be advised that by plants, if one means greens.................one cannot get sufficient protein from them alone to remain healthy. One must include nuts or they are going to be deficient in the building blocks needed. Additionally, and it is pretty well established, many vegetarians that simply eschew meat and do not consume enough protein, are deficient in B-12 and are not as healthy as their life-style would have them believe. Fruitarians need to eat veggies or they won't get the minerals needed to convert the acids in some fruits to usable elements. My thoughts to all...........Nuts to you vegetarians! Eat them that is! Joe C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 The oncologist guest on the O'Reilly show wasn't being stupid . She was stating the party line of the AMA ,FDA and that of the big Pharm. This doctor was being a good little AMA Nazi.   The FDA has proven this point . Now the FDA is attacking Cheerios for claiming to be able to reduce Cholestrerol by 4% . The FDA stated in a 24 page letter that General Foods must submit a (NDA) New Drug Application with clinical evidence.   A spokesperson for the FDA stated the FDA's policy is anything that cures, prevents or treats a disease is a drug. (even though cholestrerol is not a disease.) She went on to say; Food can not affect medical conditions . (so limes cant prevent scurvy)  Drug are tested to be effective and safe. (Tell that to all the people who die every year from medication.)   Cheerios is only making the same claim that the American Heart Assocation says ; A diet high in soluble fiber can lower cholesterol. Joe Deborah Lindberg wrote: .... O'Reilly did a piece on Farrah and he had a really green surgical oncologist woman on as his guest...He then asked the doctor if the war on cancer was progressing and of course she said yes and went on to talk about " all the wonderful things " that are being done and marvelous success rates, etc...and of course I wanted to just vomit. That woman was so stupid in her answers...Not a single work about diet, processed foods, alkalizing the body, exercise, vitamin D, nothing! I listened to her and got more and more frustrated... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 ....Nuts to you vegetarians! Eat them that is! > Joe C. > you are absolutely right !! you need a lot of nuts to be a healthy nut !! Did you know that : The Journal of Clinical Oncology (May 1, 2008) published a study which had investigated the nutritional status of 9,000 cancer patients and found that only about 15% were eating properly – the rest, while undergoing chemotherapy, were eating junk food at the same time without any idea of what they were doing to themselves. This is the real concern and when a journal of clinical oncology said 15 % knowing their disdain for organic food . i will say that probably 2 % of cancer patients eat right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2009 Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 Dear Raven: I just got back from the " farm " where I work for 2 1/2 days a week. That's why I didn't respond right away. My cleanse this time is pretty complicated. I am combining six different books as my research. I will get back to you later this week-end and spell it all out. I am cleansing all of my vital organs at least once each. It is summertime almost so it will be a lot easier then when I tried to do this in the winter. I think you will be impressed with my cleanse. I have taken great ideas from books and combined it with my own knowledge of what works best for me. The more I read and study, the clearer things become for me. For example, one book recommends organic brown rice on one cleanse, but in another book it states that rice is high glycemic. Because I have cancer, I shouldn't eat high glycemic foods. But the book which recommends the rice has wonderful information about liver cleansing herbs and vital information about the human cells. I have learned not to throw the baby out with the bath water. You can learn something from everyone. I PROMISE to get back to you this week-end with a full report on my cleanse. I started my pre-cleanse on Wednesday and will begin the real thing on Monday. I will post it for all to read this week-end. I will most likely get it up on Sunday night as I want to spend the week-end nailing down all the fine points. I am convinced that you can heal your body of ANY disease with cleansing and proper diet. But let me advice you to take my information and come up with your own special plan for your body and lifestyle and/or disease. It's not a one plan fits all type of thing. But I think you can take some information from what I will post and use it for your own better health. Sincerely,  , What are you using for your cleanse. I want a good one and know that I need one. What do you suggest?..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2009 Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 , Â There is a documentary airing on NBC tonight 9pm PST called Farrah's Story. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2009 Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 O'Reiley couldn't report the truth even if he wanted to. He would be canned so fast and never work in broadcasting again. The pharmaceutical industry " owns " the media. They are the #1 advertisers, so the programming will not go against its drug pushing sponsers. If someone were to go on the show for an interview to present alternative treatment information, they would get edited to a point of looking stupid. It's criminal! > > List Do we want to compose a letter and send it to OReallyy. Perhaps we > can get him intererested?y > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 " dorrnancy " <dorrnancy@...> wrote: >I picked up a People magazine...Farrah Fawcet....By the way, everyone, I am doing great. I feel wonderful.... Dorr > Hi , I'm so glad to read of you feeling well. That is great. I saw the special on Farrah. She was shown reading lots of letters from fans. I wonder how to contact her and tell her or her family about the Budwig Diet. If Johanna Budwig cured so many people with her diet, then why not Farrah? I'm sure she has the financial means to get someone to make the food for her if she is able to eat. I was so saddened by her failing health. I made the Linomel, and added it to yogurt and it was great. I also made the Oleolox. Which is tasty too. I just wish someone out there could convey the Budwig diet to Farrah before it's too late. Sincerely a Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 I think people are too concerned about treatments and outcomes. It is how the person feels about the treatment that makes it work. THAT IS WHY EVERY PROTOCOL has someone who fares well...or not at all .. With Farrah Fawcett it was so obvious... her son is in prison and a herion addict. Her emotion is in her heart...her pain is in her cancer, He obviously has been an addict for quite some time..and she has absorbed guilt and fear as her own prison. at an unconscious level she is punishing herself. Changing how she feels about it is as difficult for her as it is for her son to change his habit. Taking charge of our emotions...finding some good in a negative is finding freedom from illness. We are all well...we just have to believe it. LOL Lina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 Lina: If the following was more true than not, " I think people are too concerned about treatments and outcomes. It is how the person feels about the treatment that makes it work. THAT IS WHY EVERY PROTOCOL has someone who fares well...or not at all " Then I have to wonder why some of my efforts, that I had great confidence in, did not work? This is the 'It's all in your head' kind of suggestion and while I have no doubt mental outlook and emotions are influential factors in health, believing in one's treatment protocol would find great success when using Chemotherapy and Radiation. All of those people hearing, " we got it all " would be dancing in the streets but, unfortunately, quite a few have had recurrences and worse.......... I would still recommend a positive attitude as you suggest. Joe C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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