Re: Meat and cancer

[Guest guest]

Again, tell this to my daughter-in-law, a vegetarian since 10 getting aggressive

breast cancer in her mid 40s. Too many variables to continue this thread

because it is meant to convince all and it cannot. Whatever validity any

supposed cause for cancer is raised is sometimes invalidated by the not

everyone-all the time results.

In fact there is probably nothing that causes cancer................all the time

and perhaps it is better to say, something provides the conditions whereby

cancer develops such as Inflammation, Induration, and eventual malignancy. If

something can be blamed for causing cancer, then it should cause it every time!

Nothing does every time -so then another factor enters into the picture and that

is how the body reacts to the influence.

Meat? Nitrites? Nitrites? Omega 6s? Smoking? Hot tea? Emotional disturbances?

Chlorine? In my case, Bladder cancer, a couple of things are very suspect and

they are, Excessive Chlorine exposure with Indoor pools at the top of the list

followed by showering and including smoking. Just too many variables to blame

one thing but we probably can agree that eating more naturally certainly makes

sense and might just help us reduce the development of cancers which could very

well be an 'End Stage Pathology' as Herbert M. Shelton always claimed.

Herbert would, admittedly, suggest a vegetarian diet but one that really

includes the full range of good food not the fake mass-produced veggie junk one

finds on store shelves. If one is eating that junk they are probably no better

off than eating our standard fare. On that note? Bed time and a dose of

Melatonin. Good night all.

Joe C.

[Guest guest]

millardfillmore51@... writes:

> . Even the American heart association now is on record saying limit meat

> consumtions to 7 oz a week.

In the " old " days, people were meat and potato eaters and cancer was rarely

heard of. Now it's an epidemic.

[Guest guest]

Hi Joe,

You said she was a vegatarian? so she consumes her animal protein in the form

of milk, dairy, and eggs? Doesnt matter where the animal protein comes from I

get that very often. In addition regardless you can always find a few who get

cancer that have eaten very healthy all their lives. Believe me I tired hard to

find evidence for me to go back to eating my beloved Animal flesh. The more I

read the more I realize the facts just don't back it up. Even the American heart

association now is on record saying limit meat consumtions to 7 oz a week.( Wife

RN of 29 years works in a cardiac rehab) Lucky her job security is very good

with the meat eating baby boomers coming of age. Once again I would highly

suggest watching these two documetarys ( Eating & healing cancer from the insude

out) from Mike and his books. http://www.ravediet.com/ Not to mention

the enviromental reasons for becomeng a vegan. If anyone is interested let me

know I brought the ten copies of each so I can sell the book and video for 11.00

plus shipping. Amazon is getting 22.95 plus shipping. Not lookig to profit that

is what I have in them. Write me offlist be happy to send anyone a copy.

All the best,

Mike

Okay now I am done with the vegan promotion. What does everyone think about this

Blood type diet?

Personally I don't believe in it..

http://earthsave.org/news/bloodtyp.htm

[Guest guest]

We at Raw Paleo Forum are always available to help for those of you who

would like to take the path of being true raw omnivores, a return to the

original human diet. Raw fruit, raw vegs, raw animal food.

Recommendation is high raw fat, low carbohydrates.

Visit us at http://www.rawpaleoforum.com

I'm not claiming that the original natural human diet alone will cure

all cancers, but it's a good start.

Best wishes,

Edwin

[Guest guest]

See:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wI-9RJi0Qo

It is an eight-minute documentary on " persistence hunting " in the

Kalahari desert.

It is worth much reflection.

At 06:09 AM 5/14/2009, Edwin wrote:

>...I'm not claiming that the original natural human diet alone will cure

>all cancers, but it's a good start.

[Guest guest]

Edwin wrote:

>...I'm not claiming that the original natural human diet alone will cure all

cancers, but it's a good start.

>

But what is the original natural diet ?

Below are the opinions of some of the greatest naturalists:

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Ray (1628-1704) was called the father of English Natural History and in his

honor a society was founded which carries his name: The Ray Society.

According to Ray: " There is no doubt that man is not built to be a

carnivorous animal " . And furthermore he declares:

a. " Man in no way has the constitution of a carnivorous being. Hunt and

voracity are unnatural to him. Man has neither the sharp pointed teeth or claws

to slaughter his prey. On the contrary his hands are made to pick fruits,

berries and vegetables and teeth appropriate to chew them. "

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Carl Linnée, (1707-1778), created the method of natural classification of

plants and animals that is still used today although more than two centuries

have passed. Linnée wrote:

* " Edible fruits and plants constitute the most appropriate food for man. "

* " According to his anatomy, man has not been physiologically prepared to

eat meat. "

* " Fruits are the most adequate food for man according to that demonstrated

by the analogy of quadrupeds in the structure in his teeth and digestive

apparatus.

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von Humbold

von Humbold (1769-1859) was a German naturalist,

explorer and geographer. He carried out studies on magnetism and supported the

theory of the igneous origin of rocks. He is considered to be the founder of

Climathology, Terrestrial Morphology, Physical Geogrophy of the Oceans and the

Geography of the Planets. He wrote a book in 30 volumes entitled Cosmos and

Trips to Equimoctial Regions of the New World. Humbold stated that:

" Eating animals as food is not far away from athropophagy and cannibalism. The

same amount of land used to graze and feed cattle could feed ten people, if

however we cultivated it with lentils, kidney beans or peas it could feed a

hundred people….The Orinoco basin can produce sufficient bananas to feed the

whole of mankind comfortably. "

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Owen

Owen (1804-1892) was an English naturalist who studied with Cuvier,

catalogued the Hunter Collection of the British Museum and organized the Natural

History Museum in South Kensington. He studied anatomy and compared Physiology

and Palaeontology. He wrote A Course in Compared Anatomy and Palaeontology and

Physiology in Vertebrae. Owen stated:

a. " The anthropoids and all quadumanous derive their nourishment from fruits,

grains and other succulent vegetable substances and the strict analogy between

the structure of those animals and man clearly demonstrates their natural

frugivorousness. "

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Darwin

Of course, the most famous of all British naturalists also agreed with the other

naturalists. I am referring to Darwin (1800-1882) who at the age of 22

years started on a journey around the world which lasted 5 years. On this

journey Darwin collected material which served to publish his most famous book

in 1859: The Origin of Species by Natural Selection: Darwin was a member of the

Royal Society of London and after his death he was buried in Westminster Abbey

with great funeral honours and diplomatic representatives from many great

nations were present at his funeral. Darwin wrote:

" The grading of forms, organic functions, customs and diets showed in an evident

way that the normal food of man is vegetable like the anthropoids and apes and

that our canine teeth are less developed than theirs and that we are not

destined to compete with wild beasts or carnivorous animals. "

In his book The Origin of Man he tells us:

" Although we know nothing for certain about the time or place that man shed the

thick hair that covered him, with much probability of being right we could say

that he must have lived in a warm country where conditions were favourable to

the frugivorous way of life which, to judge from analogies, must have been the

way man lived. "

[Guest guest]

Shaman:

Yes the people you quote all say that a vegan, if not completely fruititarian

diet are the best, but...

Our teeth, digestive systems, and muscle tissue are not those of vegans or

fruititarians. Rather, these systems are all omnivorous systems. As a matter

of fact, we have the same basic muscle structure as rats, monkeys, pigs, and

bears -- all omnivores (and all capable of carrying trichinosis).

Our closest animal relatives -- the great apes -- are omnivorous. They all

consume animal protein, albeit not that much. But they do eat insects and

lizards and other small animals at times. Unfortunately chimps even eat each

other occasionally.

Spiritually speaking, it would be best if we could refrain from killing any

animal, let alone eat animals. But we can do that by only consuming animal

protein in the form of milk products and/or eggs. But there sure is a lot of

evidence that cow's milk is pretty bad for us. Too bad -- I love the stuff.

Personally, I think that a completely fruititarian diet is impossible. I tried

to stick with such a diet for two years in my late teens, and I was so weak it

was unreal. Scary, actually. I was so lethargic that I could hardly get out of

bed each day, and the simplest of chores seemed overwhelming.

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> But what is the original natural diet ?

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> Below are the opinions of some of the greatest naturalists:

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[Guest guest]

Actually in the old days men very often died of heart disease in there mid 50s

early 60s. I must say were better at fixing broken hearts, very bad at

preventing them. Most heart disease is complety preventable with diet, exercise

etc even reversable with a vegan diet. Been proven many times. all the

best,

Mike

My grandpa died of a heart attack age 55

dad died of allhimers age 61

Founder of Baskin Robbins ice cream died in his mid 50s.. Ate to much of his own

product..

[Guest guest]

We need to get back to Cancer issues not the numerous claimed benefits to

address other illnesses by eating or not eating meat. At this stage any

subject, beaten to death, simply preaches to the choir..............those

singing for and those against any particular life-style. All the points have

been made..........over and over again.

The subject will come up again and that's fine, and it's good, however, it must

not take-over the list.

Joe C.

[Guest guest]

Yes, but in the Old Days not everything we eat (or breathe) had been

processed to " improve " it.. fewer toxins around, no hormones in the

food; civilization is killing us!

-Dave

szukipoo@... wrote:

> millardfillmore51@... writes:

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>> . Even the American heart association now is on record saying limit meat

>> consumtions to 7 oz a week.

>>

>> In the " old " days, people were meat and potato eaters and cancer was rarely

>> heard of. Now it's an epidemic.

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