Re: Role of Sauna for cancer patient

[Guest guest]

 There are some advantage to infrared  but any sauna will do steam works great

.. The one big advantage I find with dry type of sauna is you can have a longer

time in the sauna and I believe exposer time is important as well as the heat.

[Guest guest]

Sheetal,

Your father don't need no stinkin' sauna. You father just needs a

QUALITY malaria, that is, Vivax, though he might have to visit the jungles

of Belize to get it. The Latin American mosquitos are so lazy that they

look around for the same hole as the last mosquito. Actually all he needs

is a ml of blood from a Vivax patient so he can get back on track. There

are a variety of synergists that he can use with this strategy, but I've got

to head back to the mine.

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From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of sheetal.umbc

Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 11:02 AM

Subject: [ ] Role of Sauna for cancer patient

Hello All,

Firstly thanks for having this group. There are so many knowledgeable people

here and the discussions are intelligent and useful.

My father has been diagnosed with advanced pancreatic ca. I noticed that his

CA 19.9 marker test count fell drastically from 2000 to 400 when he used to

have recurrent fever in July last year. He wasn't taking any treatment at

that time. The fever is now taken care of, however the CA 19.9 count has

risen consistently after that.

On Budwig protocol the rise was slow, but off the FOCC the rise has been

sharp.

I am thinking of using sauna as an artificial way of inducing fever and thus

help in controlling the cancer activity. Is the sauna type important

(infrared, far infrared, etc.)or any sauna will help. We have a steam sauna

available to us locally.

I will highly appreciate your views on this topic.

Thanks,

Sheetal

[Guest guest]

Sheetal:

The latest technology is Carbon Far Infrared. Supposedly infrared heats the body

from the inside as opposed to steam heating from the outside in. Carbon Far

infrared rays are supposed to penetrate the body up to 3 1/3 inches. In addition

to heating the body the far infrared also detoxes and alkalizes the body. Some

units come with a oxygen maker inside to further help with killing cancer.

The rays produced by Carbon far infrared can not be seen but they can be felt as

heat. The rays are identical to that of the sun. One may experience the

herxheimers reaction if the body is toxic the first few times of use.This can

last up to 3 days. Drink plenty of water to flush out any toxins and shower with

plain water 15 minutes after use to wash the toxins off. Do not use hot water to

rinse. Some people will drink spring water with some sea salt to replace what

is lost through sweat. The Carbon far infrared rays have a wider band or wave

length than ceramic type heaters. This is also known as hyperthermia.  

A bit of info from Dr. Nenah Sylver who spent 12 years of research on saunas and

Rife.

http://www.backandbodysolutions.com/saunas.html

I have this type of Carbon Far Infrared sauna. It comes with full instructions

on how to detox and how to use it properly. Far infrared also removes heavy

metals. This unit has a oxygen maker inside.

http://www.luxspas.com/2010-elite-201-ceramic/

Vic

________________________________

From: sheetal.umbc <sheetallgupta@...>

Sent: Fri, March 11, 2011

Hello All,

Firstly thanks for having this group. There are so many knowledgeable people

here and the discussions are intelligent and useful.

My father has been diagnosed with advanced pancreatic ca. I noticed that his CA

19.9 marker test count fell drastically from 2000 to 400 when he used to have

recurrent fever in July last year. He wasn't taking any treatment at that time.

The fever is now taken care of, however the CA 19.9 count has risen consistently

after that.

On Budwig protocol the rise was slow, but off the FOCC the rise has been sharp.

I am thinking of using sauna as an artificial way of inducing fever and thus

help in controlling the cancer activity. Is the sauna type important (infrared,

far infrared, etc.)or any sauna will help. We have a steam sauna available to us

locally.

I will highly appreciate your views on this topic.

Thanks,

Sheetal

[Guest guest]

Good point .

How long after contracting the P. Vivax malaria, would you suggest treating it

with Chloroquine, artesunate or artemisinin?

would you keep it on a low flame for a while to reap the benefits?

Gubi

[ ] Role of Sauna for cancer patient

Hello All,

Firstly thanks for having this group. There are so many knowledgeable people

here and the discussions are intelligent and useful.

My father has been diagnosed with advanced pancreatic ca. I noticed that his

CA 19.9 marker test count fell drastically from 2000 to 400 when he used to

have recurrent fever in July last year. He wasn't taking any treatment at

that time. The fever is now taken care of, however the CA 19.9 count has

risen consistently after that.

On Budwig protocol the rise was slow, but off the FOCC the rise has been

sharp.

I am thinking of using sauna as an artificial way of inducing fever and thus

help in controlling the cancer activity. Is the sauna type important

(infrared, far infrared, etc.)or any sauna will help. We have a steam sauna

available to us locally.

I will highly appreciate your views on this topic.

Thanks,

Sheetal

[Guest guest]

Gubi,

There are a number of enhancements to the natural fever therapies that I

would do. I can discuss this in the future. One would continue until all

evidence of the cancer is gone and then not until a rational follow-up is in

play.

Chloroquine works best in conjuction with Atabrine and they both have

anticancer properties. There are solubility issues though so I would use

them in an inclusion compound such as one of the cyclodextrins. The

artemesia extracts, derivatives, and analogs would be best used as part of a

more complete follow-up protocol and not to merely kill malaria.

_____

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of Gubi

Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 11:47 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] Role of Sauna for cancer patient

Good point .

How long after contracting the P. Vivax malaria, would you suggest treating

it with Chloroquine, artesunate or artemisinin?

would you keep it on a low flame for a while to reap the benefits?

Gubi

[Guest guest]

> The latest technology is Carbon Far Infrared.

But it's not the best in my experience. These heaters tend to be too weak.

> Supposedly infrared heats the body from the inside

It supposedly does but it does not really work that way.

> Carbon Far infrared rays are supposed to penetrate the body up to 3 1/3

inches.

They don't. They would potentially harm you if they did. The body thankfully

doesn't allow this.

> The rays are identical to that of the sun.

Not true. Virtually no solar FIR reaches the earth.

> One may experience the herxheimers reaction if the body is toxic the first few

times of use.

This can also occur if the sauna itself is toxic.

> The Carbon far infrared rays have a wider band or wave length than ceramic

type heaters.

This is meaningless hype, Vic.

> This is also known as hyperthermia.

Raising body temperature is literally hyperthermia, but the levels of core body

temperature elevation in a sauna are not to be confused with clinical

hyperthermia. There are dramatic differences and it's potentially dangerous to

confuse the two.

Bob

Heavenly Heat Saunas

[Guest guest]

So Bob, what are you saying? That FIR Saunas do not have any healing

properties for Cancer patients?

Nili

On Tue, Mar 15, 2011, bobmorgan108 <rob29@...> wrote:

> Raising body temperature is literally hyperthermia, but the levels of core

body temperature elevation in a sauna are not to be confused with clinical

hyperthermia. There are dramatic differences and it's potentially dangerous to

confuse the two.

>

> Bob

> Heavenly Heat Saunas

[Guest guest]

Hi Bob:

Thank you for your reply. I would appreciate your research on these points and

look forward to learning.

Vic

________________________________

From: bobmorgan108 <rob29@...>

Sent: Tue, March 15, 2011 1:19:49 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: Role of Sauna for cancer patient

This is also known as hyperthermia.

Raising body temperature is literally hyperthermia, but the levels of core body

temperature elevation in a sauna are not to be confused with clinical

hyperthermia. There are dramatic differences and it's potentially dangerous to

confuse the two.

Bob

Heavenly Heat Saunas

[Guest guest]

What do you market as the difference between core temperatures of these two

forms of hyperthermia. Perhaps one is Heavenly Heat and the other is

Hellishly Hot.

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From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of bobmorgan108

Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 11:20 AM

Subject: [ ] Re: Role of Sauna for cancer patient

Raising body temperature is literally hyperthermia, but the levels of core

body temperature elevation in a sauna are not to be confused with clinical

hyperthermia. There are dramatic differences and it's potentially dangerous

to confuse the two.

Bob

Heavenly Heat Saunas

[Guest guest]

>

> > Raising body temperature is literally hyperthermia, but the levels of core

body temperature elevation in a sauna are not to be confused with clinical

hyperthermia. There are dramatic differences and it's potentially dangerous to

confuse the two.

> >

> > Bob

> > Heavenly Heat Saunas

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi Bob:

>

> Thank you for your reply. I would appreciate your research on these points and

look forward to learning.

Essentially, Vic, infrared saunas work by heating the body quickly and

efficiently rather than " deeply " as they're promoted.

I'll have a book out soon with numerous references to help folks understand this

all better.

Bob

> Vic

>

> ________________________________

> From: bobmorgan108 <rob29@...>

> Sent: Tue, March 15, 2011 1:19:49 PM

> Subject: [ ] Re: Role of Sauna for cancer patient

>

>

> This is also known as hyperthermia.

>

> Raising body temperature is literally hyperthermia, but the levels of core

body

> temperature elevation in a sauna are not to be confused with clinical

> hyperthermia. There are dramatic differences and it's potentially dangerous to

> confuse the two.

>

> Bob

> Heavenly Heat Saunas

>

[Guest guest]

What kind of healing properties?

Adjunctive to what?

What aspect(s) of immune function is/are boosted?

What is deep cleansed in the body?

How does it help deliver oxygen, and to which cells? Which nutrients and

therapeutic agents were tested?

What you are saying is no different from all the other marketing literature.

You bring only unattributed assertions as if they are established science.

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From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of bobmorgan108

Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 4:23 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: Role of Sauna for cancer patient

>

> > Raising body temperature is literally hyperthermia, but the levels of

core body temperature elevation in a sauna are not to be confused with

clinical hyperthermia. There are dramatic differences and it's potentially

dangerous to confuse the two.

> >

> > Bob

> > Heavenly Heat Saunas

>

[Guest guest]

Bob

You do not mention the type of heater you are talking about. There are many

different kinds. My research was posted. I do not take this subject lightly and

consulted no less than 3 different alternate doctors as well as doing my own

research. I also consulted with the one of the foremost experts of Far

infrared before I made a purchase. I personally consulted with the president of

the sauna maker.Therefore I am not talking just off the top of my head.

Herxheimers reaction does not come from a dirty sauna but it comes from bad

bacteria dying and toxins within the body. As these decompose in the body they

give off a toxic gas which the body can not eliminate fast enough, thus the

reaction. The oxygen generator inside the sauna also keeps the inside free from

bacteria, therefore it is not possible for the herx to come from the sauna

itself.  The sun does produce far infrared rays as noted by the heating of

things exposed to the sun. I posted links to these graphs of the rays produced

by different heaters. I never mentioned a home unit as being as good as one

used in a clinic. But I do question the heat being any different and certainly

the cost.

Until I see solid research to the contrary done by notable experts, I will take

your post as a sales pitch for your products.

REFERENCES

For more information on detoxification, sauna therapy, or how toxins affect our

health and our environment, we recommend you read the following books:

The Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy, Nenah Sylver, PhD, The Center for

Frequency, P.O. Box 952, Stone Ridge, New York, 12484-0952, phone 845-626-5055,

www.NenahSylver.com ISBN 0-9672491-7-1

The Handbook of Rife Frequency Healing, also by Nenah Sylver, PhD but under the

spelling Nina Silver

The above books can be purchased at Back and Body Solutions

Detoxify or Die, Dr. Sherry A. , M.D., www.prestigepublishing.com

Infrared Thermal System for Whole-Body Regeneration Radiant Therapy by Dr.

M. Flickstein

Never Be Sick Again, Francis, M.Sc.

Confronting Toxic Contamination In Our Communities, The Women’s Foundation Of

California, www.womensfoundca.org

Vic

[Guest guest]

Vic and bob-

I am a long term cancer survivor who saunas 1-2 times per week- I have

been doing so for years now and I am comfortable staying in the sauna

for 30-40 min and can raise my internal body temp to about 102 degree

F. I consider this form of whole body hyperthermia a form of

integrative therapy and a good way to detox and relax. I feel great

after my sauna. Hyperthermia is clearly beneficial to cancer

survivors and I think this therapy has helped me stay cancer free for

over 10 years now so I will continue to do so.

http://peoplebeatingcancer.org/pbc/search?pbc_sitename=All & keys=hyperthermia

Emerson

http://peoplebeatingcancer.org/

Raising body temperature is literally hyperthermia, but the levels of

core body temperature elevation in a sauna are not to be confused with

clinical hyperthermia. There are dramatic differences and it's

potentially dangerous to confuse the two.

Bob

Heavenly Heat Saunas

[Guest guest]

I hope you are using infrared saunas, correct?

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On Mar 16, 2011, Emerson wrote:

> Vic and bob-

>

> I am a long term cancer survivor who saunas 1-2 times per week- I have

> been doing so for years now and I am comfortable staying in the sauna

> for 30-40 min and can raise my internal body temp to about 102 degree

> F. I consider this form of whole body hyperthermia a form of

> integrative therapy and a good way to detox and relax. I feel great

> after my sauna. Hyperthermia is clearly beneficial to cancer

> survivors and I think this therapy has helped me stay cancer free for

> over 10 years now so I will continue to do so.

>

> http://peoplebeatingcancer.org/pbc/search?pbc_sitename=All & keys=hyperthermia

>

> Emerson

>

> http://peoplebeatingcancer.org/

>

> Raising body temperature is literally hyperthermia, but the levels of

> core body temperature elevation in a sauna are not to be confused with

> clinical hyperthermia. There are dramatic differences and it's

> potentially dangerous to confuse the two.

>

> Bob

> Heavenly Heat Saunas

[Guest guest]

;

" I consider this form of whole body hyperthermia a form of

integrative therapy "

Excellent post, I am in agreement. 

Vic

 

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From: Emerson <daviddecemerson@...>

Sent: Wed, March 16, 2011 12:41:02 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: Role of Sauna for cancer patient

[Guest guest]

,

How do you know what your internal body temperature is in the Sauna? I use

a FIR Sauna at home one-two times per week. I go into the sauna when it is

anywhere between 115-120 degrees and can usually stay in it for 30 minutes.

However, I have no idea what my internal body temp is. Should I be using a

thermometer? I do not have cancer, as far as I know. We purchased the unit

for my husband who had lung cancer and lost the battle in September. Since

the unit is in the house I decided I might as well use it.

Anyone who wants to comment as to the benefits of my using it or lack

thereof is welcome to do so.

Thanks,

Nili

On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 1:41 PM, Emerson wrote:

> Vic and bob-

>

> I am a long term cancer survivor who saunas 1-2 times per week- I have

> been doing so for years now and I am comfortable staying in the sauna

> for 30-40 min and can raise my internal body temp to about 102 degree

> F. I consider this form of whole body hyperthermia a form of

> integrative therapy and a good way to detox and relax. I feel great

> after my sauna. Hyperthermia is clearly beneficial to cancer

> survivors and I think this therapy has helped me stay cancer free for

> over 10 years now so I will continue to do so.

>

> http://peoplebeatingcancer.org/pbc/search?pbc_sitename=All & keys=hyperthermia

>

> Emerson

>

> http://peoplebeatingcancer.org/

>

> Raising body temperature is literally hyperthermia, but the levels of

> core body temperature elevation in a sauna are not to be confused with

> clinical hyperthermia. There are dramatic differences and it's

> potentially dangerous to confuse the two.

>

> Bob

> Heavenly Heat Saunas

[Guest guest]

Bob, Raising body temperature is literally hyperthermia, but you dont

have to do that. all you have to do is get heat in to the cancer.

I know heat above 107 degree f will kill any cancer and leave normal cells

unharmed. Ray

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From: bobmorgan108

Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011

Raising body temperature is literally hyperthermia, but the levels of core

body temperature elevation in a sauna are not to be confused with clinical

hyperthermia. There are dramatic differences and it's potentially dangerous

to confuse the two.

Bob

Heavenly Heat Saunas

[Guest guest]

,

Can you share the make and model of your sauna?

Do you do it on back to back days like Sat and Sunday or are there several days

in between?

Knowing what you now know, would you still buy the same sauna? Or would you opt

for something more or less elaborate?

I'm getting impressive results with my HP baths! Bone pain has been abated

quite a lot on the first bath of 25 minutes as well as the 2nd for 35 minutes.

Used 2 cups of 35% food grade.

Tonight used 1 cup of food grade for 25 minutes. I'll see how I feel tomorrow

morning!

Friday, I visit a ND for doing an IV drip. Its the first visit- he may or may

not do an IV drip after the initial visit. He might make me wait until the next

visit. I think $ 80 is kind of pricy for 90 minutes, but others charge $ 100-

150!

Anyone know anyone cheaper in the Tacoma/Seattle area?

Thanks

Emerson wrote:

>

> Vic and bob-

>

> I am a long term cancer survivor who saunas 1-2 times per week- I have

> been doing so for years now and I am comfortable staying in the sauna

> for 30-40 min and can raise my internal body temp to about 102 degree

> F. I consider this form of whole body hyperthermia a form of

> integrative therapy and a good way to detox and relax. I feel great

> after my sauna. Hyperthermia is clearly beneficial to cancer

> survivors and I think this therapy has helped me stay cancer free for

> over 10 years now so I will continue to do so.

>

> http://peoplebeatingcancer.org/pbc/search?pbc_sitename=All & keys=hyperthermia

>

> Emerson

>

> http://peoplebeatingcancer.org/

>

> Raising body temperature is literally hyperthermia, but the levels of

> core body temperature elevation in a sauna are not to be confused with

> clinical hyperthermia. There are dramatic differences and it's

> potentially dangerous to confuse the two.

>

> Bob

> Heavenly Heat Saunas

>

[Guest guest]

I can tell you the kind I am using. It is my understanding the Carbon far

infrared penetrates deeper. It would buy the same kind but I should have looked

on ebay first to save money. However you will need someone to put it together.

The good thing is it comes with a lifetime warranty and comes with a oxygen

maker.. If money was not a issue I would buy a Bio Mat to use in addition to

the

sauna. The bio mat can be used while watching TV or sleeping so no extra time is

needed.  For maintenance my wife was told twice per week, Wednesday and a day

on

the weekend. Too many days in a row can cause the herx reaction. It is better to

space the days out unless using it for something other than maintenance. Hot

baths work as well but our water contains fluoride and chlorine. Chlorine is

known to cause cancer so it is not good idea to soak in these chemicals with

our

water. The idea is to detox and not add more toxins.

 http://www.luxspas.com/2010-elite-201-ceramic/

One flaw I noticed was that the rays were not reaching near the seat so I had to

make a seat to bring the body up higher to the rays. When in a sitting

position

the bottom few inches of the body were not getting the rays. For my wife this

area is critical.  A picture of the seat I made.  

Vic

  

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From: earthenperson <scottyd99@...>

Sent: Thu, March 17, 2011 12:03:39 AM

Subject: [ ] Re: Role of Sauna for cancer patient

 

,

Can you share the make and model of your sauna?

Do you do it on back to back days like Sat and Sunday or are there several days

in between?

Knowing what you now know, would you still buy the same sauna? Or would you opt

for something more or less elaborate?

>

[Guest guest]

Nili, Bob, Vic-

I use a thermometer to take my temp after the sauna. No, it is not a

far infrared sauna but a heat sauna. Yes, I consider it integrative

therapy.

Emerson

http://peoplebeatingcancer.org/

,

How do you know what your internal body temperature is in the Sauna? I

use

a FIR Sauna at home one-two times per week. I go into the sauna when

it is

anywhere between 115-120 degrees and can usually stay in it for 30

minutes.

However, I have no idea what my internal body temp is. Should I be

using a

thermometer? I do not have cancer, as far as I know. We purchased the

unit

for my husband who had lung cancer and lost the battle in September.

Since

the unit is in the house I decided I might as well use it.

Anyone who wants to comment as to the benefits of my using it or lack

thereof is welcome to do so.

Thanks,

Nili

[Guest guest]

Earthperson,

It is a mistake to go for the cheapest or the most expensive

practitioner. The same as your mechanic charges you for labor and he also

has his mark-up on parts, your naturopath will often load you up with

overpriced supplements. Instead of the cheapest you should be looking for

the smartest and most experienced person in your area. Come up with the

money for the first visit. If money is a real consideration, be honest

about your predicament and ask how the two of you can make this work. If

he/she is really out there to help people a solution will be found. There

is no substitute for brains, experience, and compassion. If you already

know exactly what you want then all you need is a technician with a license

- that's when you go for cheap.

Sometimes IV drips are quite important, such as for restoration of

hydration at crunch time. Usually though I see them overused as licensing

is required and the mark-up is so high. Don't forget that IVs are invasive

and a violation of the body's natural barriers - you can't vomit a toxin out

of your veins.

Currently science is hard at work to violate another important natural

barrier - this is the use of nanoparticles to penetrate the cell membrane.

Again, I think our technology is getting ahead of our wisdom. Many

otherwise safe meds have very different characteristics when served as

nanoparticles. Don't get me wrong - nanoparticles are not bad, but we must

be very careful, patient, and tentative with their introduction lest

Nanoparticles-R-Us becomes the new Monsanto.

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From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of earthenperson

Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 10:04 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: Role of Sauna for cancer patient

.Friday, I visit a ND for doing an IV drip. Its the first visit- he may or

may not do an IV drip after the initial visit. He might make me wait until

the next visit. I think $ 80 is kind of pricy for 90 minutes, but others

charge $ 100- 150!

Anyone know anyone cheaper in the Tacoma/Seattle area?

[Guest guest]

Sheetal, hyperthermia is a valid part of cancer treatment, even in the case of

some orthodox treatments and has looked promising in some clinical trials I've

seen written up. (It was used in combination with chemo.)

According to Ty Bolinger's book Cancer Step Outside the Box, an Ozone sauna

would be an ideal way to combine two useful alternative theraputic measures,

heat and ozone.

[Guest guest]

earthenperson-

I use the sauna at my gym- I don't know the make and model. I would

say it is about 20 years old. I have a massage and then sauna. I'm

sure that newer models have benefits that I don't know about. The

sauna is big enough for me to lie on my stomach (on a towel) and read

the paper.

[Guest guest]

Does anyone know, can an existing sauna be converted to far infrared?

Barbara