Re: What assures me the large one will pass?

December 17, 2002

##### level-1 quote by Terrie <teebear4@...> (on) 16.12.02

(at) 23:41 +0000

>What if it gets stuck?

>

Well, isn't it **already** stuck? Like, what is it doing just sitting

there in one place, possibly causing GB attacks and undue suffering

over a long time period? That's stuck in my book.

The question is better put: What if it gets unstuck?

Answer: Relief. No slicing and dicing. Nobody mucking around with

inside plumbing (which was meant to be maintenance-free, or at least

not discarded).

Ray

December 18, 2002

> >

>

> Well, isn't it **already** stuck? Like, what is it doing just

sitting

> there in one place, possibly causing GB attacks and undue

suffering

> over a long time period? That's stuck in my book.

>

> > Ray

You are right, of course. But I was also thinking of surgery to the

bile duct should it land there. That surgery is very serious, and it

takes a highly skilled surgeon to repair the duct. Some people have

had " patches " put on the bile duct that was injured in the surgery of

removing the gallbladder to begin with. And havent done well at all.

Being diabetic, I run the risk of gangrene.

I know that these flushes work. I just worry about the larger stone

not passing. Am I the only one who would worry about this?

NO..........most anyone would be concerned, I think.

December 18, 2002

In a link that is at the bottom of every post ( Chang's website) is a

paragraph addressing the potential stuck stone (no one can guarentee

anything, but the likelihood of you haveing to have surgery after a flush is

very remote. This of course doesn't help you if you are one of the very few

that has a problem. The ones that have had problems that I know of had very

diseased gall bladders and ducts which didn't stretch like normal gall

bladders do):

http://www.sensiblehealth.com/

" If a stone gets stuck on its way out "

" It does happen, although very rarely, that a stone may get stuck on its way

out. In this situation, the olive oil/lemon juice flush may be repeated.

Three teaspoonfuls of epsom salt in a cup of warm water should be taken 2

hours before the olive oil/lemon juice to dilate the duct. An alternative

is 1 tablespoonful each of Coptis and Curcuma taken together. This

combination helps to move the stone by stimulating bile flow (Coptis) and

increasing energy flow (Curcuma). It also helps to relieve pain from

gallbladder attack in most cases. Furthermore, if no stone comes out during

the flush the day after taking olive oil/lemon juice and you feel

uncomfortable, one tablespoon each of Coptis and Curcuma can usually help to

push out the stones or other blockages.

A stuck stone during the flush is different from a regular gallbladder

attack. During the flush, a lot of bile is produced which serves as an

excellent lubricant. The pain produced is relatively dull and mild in

comparison with the very sharp pain experienced in a regular gallbladder

attack " .

Hope this helps.