ozone

[Guest guest]

> Air purifiers will reduce the levels of ambient VOCs but do not deal

> with offgassing. The VOCs still have to get from the mattress to the

> air purifier, giving a sleeper plenty of opportunity to breathe them

> in.

The ozone-type air purifiers saturate the room that they are in with

some level of ozone, so they go to the source of the VOCs... the VOCs

don't need to go to wherever the air purifer is located.

> Anything that emits ozone is potentially dangerous for those of us with

> CS/CI. Biozone says that their levels are safe, but CS/CI means that we

> react to smaller amounts than most people. Are their levels low enough?

The ozone levels output by the Biozone purifiers is much lower than some

of the other brands. And yes, I do seem to be more sensitive to ozone

than others around me, so it is my tolerance that determines the amount

that I have in a room. This is usually found by experimentation with

different size models in different locations throughout the house, and

also someone could put a timer on them so they are only on for parts of

the day, or put the generator next to a fan to spread it around more

evenly, etc.

Marc

[Guest guest]

Hi,

My son started ozone therapy 3 weeks ago so it is still too early to really

assess but I'd be interested in hearing more about your experience as well as

from others.

How long have you been doing it and was your progression slow or quick? What

part of the world are you in?

Thanks,

bf

Ozone

Has anyone tried Ozone therapy, it worked for me. Hopefully my last

infection will be cured next week as i am scheduled for a

tonsillectomy. In combination with this and ozone treatment. The

mixed infections incl. (HHV-6) which appeared to have been causing my

CFS might be all under control.

I like to hear from fellow Ozone user and those curious...

[Guest guest]

Can you please explain the ozone treatment--what it consists of. I am

very sensitive to the smell of ozone. We use an ozone machine to

reduce odors or outgas products as I am sensitive to smells. I am

curious how ozone is used to rid yourself of viruses. Thanks.

[Guest guest]

Hi, h...,

Ozone Therapy has safety issues. And it is thought to not be an effective

anti-infection

agent at levels below those toxic to humans.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozone_Therapy

I know lipoceutical glutathione tested out as the most effective agent,

pharmaceutical or

neutriceutical, against the HHV-6 virus in vitro, this according to the HHV-6

Foundation

when they looked at over 70 different agents. But if you could explain in more

detail how

in particular the Ozone Therapy you've used works perhaps it would help PWCs on

this list

see better what you seem to be saying.

" hayjafcukjenomba " <hayjafcukjenomba@...> wrote:

>

> Has anyone tried Ozone therapy, it worked for me. Hopefully my last

> infection will be cured next week as i am scheduled for a

> tonsillectomy. In combination with this and ozone treatment. The

> mixed infections incl. (HHV-6) which appeared to have been causing my

> CFS might be all under control.

>

> I like to hear from fellow Ozone user and those curious...

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, ozone is a very politically sensitive treatment. I figure it is

best to provide those interested with the information i received

before i started ozone treatment.

http://www.cancertutor.com/Cancer/Mirror-H2O2.html

http://www.oxygenhealth.com/

http://www.oxygenamerica.com/

cheers

J.

>

> Has anyone tried Ozone therapy, it worked for me. Hopefully my last

> infection will be cured next week as i am scheduled for a

> tonsillectomy. In combination with this and ozone treatment. The

> mixed infections incl. (HHV-6) which appeared to have been causing

my

> CFS might be all under control.

>

> I like to hear from fellow Ozone user and those curious...

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Has anyone tried Ozone therapy, it worked for me. Hopefully my last

> infection will be cured next week as i am scheduled for a

> tonsillectomy.

Thank you for sharing your progress with us. I am very interested in

learning more.

Did you have infection in sinuses, ears, eustachian tubes, deep neck

space, jaw bones, pharyngeal or naseopharyngeal areas?

Are your tonsils being removed because they are thought to be

reservoirs of infection? A physician once told me that this could be

the case with tonsil tissue that grew back after a tonsillectomy.

Cheers

Jo

[Guest guest]

>

> Has anyone tried Ozone therapy, it worked for me. Hopefully my last

> infection will be cured next week as i am scheduled for a

> tonsillectomy. In combination with this and ozone treatment. The

> mixed infections incl. (HHV-6) which appeared to have been causing

my

> CFS might be all under control.

>

> I like to hear from fellow Ozone user and those curious...

>

I tried 22 consecutive ozone treatments with Dr. Hitt at

his Tijuana, Mexico clinic. It did not not cure my CFS.

Al

[Guest guest]

When Dr Cheney and Dr moved into the office building on

Alder st. and started seeing " Yuppie Flu " patients, people in that

building started getting sick.

One of them, a doctor, told me that ozone had made a huge difference

and advised me to try it.

I was already getting much better results with mycotoxin avoidance

than the benefits he described, and decided to hold out for more

feedback from others.

The lack of sufficient compelling feedback made me contact him later

and ask how the ozone therapy was going:

" Not doing it any longer " .

When you see sick people go into a medical building and observe some

medical personnel there catch " hysteria " from the patients, it kind of

makes you wonder about the mental state of those who dismiss the

phenomenon as a mental condition.

-

[Guest guest]

>

You forced me to pull out " Ozone-oxygen Therapy " by Velio Bocci, which

is the text in this field. To summarize it would be like trying to do

what Cort did with KdM's book (thanks Cort).

Basically this would be a step above H202, perhaps equivalent.

I will take the time to quote briefly:

p 235

" In the " Nature of Disease " , Paracelsus (1493-1541) wrote that " the

body possesses the high art of wrecking but also restoring to

health " ... " Hormesis " , the term used by Goldman (1996), means

the " beneficial effect of a low level exposure to an agent that is

harmful at high levels " ...We face a real paradox, since ozone " the

toxic gas " can be turned into a useful drug able to readjust an

otherwise irreversible sate of chronic oxidative stress (COS). There

are several pathologies, such as neurodegenerative disease, chronic

viral infections (HIV, HCV) and autoimmune diseases, in which a vicious

imbalance between oxidants and antioxidants becomes firmly established,

leading more or less rapidly to an untoward result.

What can ozone do? It cannot remove the primary causes of these

diseases, but it may reverse COS. By causing a transitory and

calculated oxidative stress results in a sort of " therapeutic shock "

for the ailing organism. Ozone realizes this shock because it

generates a number of messengers that can reach all cells.

In reality, ozonetherapy seems to exert beneficial effects in so many,

and somewhat unrelated, pathologies because ozone acts at a basic level

on several blood components with different functions. Moreover, the

generated ROS and LOPs not only have the most powerful disinfectant

activity but can act either locally or systemically in practically all

cells of the organism. "

He then explains various disease entities that are TH1 or TH2 and the

ozone levels utilized in therapy to try to get the system " unstuck " .

Sorry this review falls far short of even an Amazon Book Review let

alone some of the almost poetic posts i have read here!

There are a couple areas of the book which specifically mention CFS

and FMS very briefly. He states two studies carried out in Italy and

presented at the IMOS congress in 2000. He states that Dr. Salvatore

Loconte (Andria,Bari) has treated 150 patients by infiltrating 5cc O3

directly on trigger points and performing a cycle of ozone

treatment " he cannot do a control but he has claimed to achieve total

remission in about 60%of patients and partial remission in 15%. "

It is interesting to read about the " insufflation method " which is

basically direct exposure instead of mixing with blood and reinjecting

referred to as AHT. Particularly interesting is how effective ozone is

locally, which appears far superior in treating necrotic ulcers and i

have seen color photos with amazing results; this would also virtually

eliminate the $6 billion/yr vaginal candidiasis market which was

mentioned in an above post. I would think candida resistance to ozone

would not be a problem! Perhaps that is why " they don't like it " .

" Wound clinics " and " whirlpool treatment " would go away. There may be

ozonated vaginal trouches available i would think, as the book goes

into ozonoted olive oil for superficial wounds which is available (it

works and lasts years in the fridge).

There are a several very interesting chapters that go into the bodies

antioxidant system, effects on the immune sytem, chapter on COS and

use of ozone in various pathologies. If someone were really interested

i would be willing to loan it out, backchannel.

mike

p.s. there seems to have been quite a discussion awhile back on

dioxychlor, sulfoxime, my doc has mentioned viorizin also (all by

American Biologics) all of which are oxidative therapies.

I think it would be interesting " for someone " to put together a poll on

all of these, e.g. i have tried dioxychlor with good/modest/poor/no

effect/harmful effect etc.

i personally haven't tried any but plan on going back and reading some

of the past discussion.

[Guest guest]

" spite.check " < wrote:

> You forced me to pull out " Ozone-oxygen Therapy " by Velio Bocci,

which is the text in this field. To summarize it would be like trying

to do what Cort did with KdM's book

That's why I just let the doctor try it and tell me what his results

were.

-

[Guest guest]

> -

>

sorry, my post was meant to be general info, just got into a habit of

trimming and leaving the last persons name on the reply. if you could

help me out, i had a question for you about what you meant as to how to

decrease pro-inflammatory cytokines which you discussed in an above

post. thanks

[Guest guest]

" Flood your body with Oxygen " by Ed McCabe has a lot of information in

it on the effectiveness of all types of ozone treatments. Of particular

interest is Extracorporea recirculatory Hemoperfusion where they pump

blood out of one arm,then ozonate it and filter it OUTSIDE the body !

I havent tried this and have only read about it in his book but I find

It very interesting.He claims they have huge success with this method.

>

> > You forced me to pull out " Ozone-oxygen Therapy " by Velio Bocci,

> which is the text in this field. To summarize it would be like

trying

> to do what Cort did with KdM's book

>

>

> That's why I just let the doctor try it and tell me what his results

> were.

> -

>

[Guest guest]

Is this about flooding your body with oxygen? Would a hyperbaric chamber have

the same results?

Edy

" spite.check " <spite.check@...> wrote:

>

You forced me to pull out " Ozone-oxygen Therapy " by Velio Bocci, which

is the text in this field. To summarize it would be like trying to do

what Cort did with KdM's book (thanks Cort).

Basically this would be a step above H202, perhaps equivalent.

I will take the time to quote briefly:

p 235

" In the " Nature of Disease " , Paracelsus (1493-1541) wrote that " the

body possesses the high art of wrecking but also restoring to

health " ... " Hormesis " , the term used by Goldman (1996), means

the " beneficial effect of a low level exposure to an agent that is

harmful at high levels " ...We face a real paradox, since ozone " the

toxic gas " can be turned into a useful drug able to readjust an

otherwise irreversible sate of chronic oxidative stress (COS). There

are several pathologies, such as neurodegenerative disease, chronic

viral infections (HIV, HCV) and autoimmune diseases, in which a vicious

imbalance between oxidants and antioxidants becomes firmly established,

leading more or less rapidly to an untoward result.

What can ozone do? It cannot remove the primary causes of these

diseases, but it may reverse COS. By causing a transitory and

calculated oxidative stress results in a sort of " therapeutic shock "

for the ailing organism. Ozone realizes this shock because it

generates a number of messengers that can reach all cells.

In reality, ozonetherapy seems to exert beneficial effects in so many,

and somewhat unrelated, pathologies because ozone acts at a basic level

on several blood components with different functions. Moreover, the

generated ROS and LOPs not only have the most powerful disinfectant

activity but can act either locally or systemically in practically all

cells of the organism. "

He then explains various disease entities that are TH1 or TH2 and the

ozone levels utilized in therapy to try to get the system " unstuck " .

Sorry this review falls far short of even an Amazon Book Review let

alone some of the almost poetic posts i have read here!

There are a couple areas of the book which specifically mention CFS

and FMS very briefly. He states two studies carried out in Italy and

presented at the IMOS congress in 2000. He states that Dr. Salvatore

Loconte (Andria,Bari) has treated 150 patients by infiltrating 5cc O3

directly on trigger points and performing a cycle of ozone

treatment " he cannot do a control but he has claimed to achieve total

remission in about 60%of patients and partial remission in 15%. "

It is interesting to read about the " insufflation method " which is

basically direct exposure instead of mixing with blood and reinjecting

referred to as AHT. Particularly interesting is how effective ozone is

locally, which appears far superior in treating necrotic ulcers and i

have seen color photos with amazing results; this would also virtually

eliminate the $6 billion/yr vaginal candidiasis market which was

mentioned in an above post. I would think candida resistance to ozone

would not be a problem! Perhaps that is why " they don't like it " .

" Wound clinics " and " whirlpool treatment " would go away. There may be

ozonated vaginal trouches available i would think, as the book goes

into ozonoted olive oil for superficial wounds which is available (it

works and lasts years in the fridge).

There are a several very interesting chapters that go into the bodies

antioxidant system, effects on the immune sytem, chapter on COS and

use of ozone in various pathologies. If someone were really interested

i would be willing to loan it out, backchannel.

mike

p.s. there seems to have been quite a discussion awhile back on

dioxychlor, sulfoxime, my doc has mentioned viorizin also (all by

American Biologics) all of which are oxidative therapies.

I think it would be interesting " for someone " to put together a poll on

all of these, e.g. i have tried dioxychlor with good/modest/poor/no

effect/harmful effect etc.

i personally haven't tried any but plan on going back and reading some

of the past discussion.

[Guest guest]

Hi Edy,

I believe the HBOT chambers are running about .4 atm of pressure for

home use (unless you go to a more advanced center which goes up to 3

atm) and you are " pushing " more oxygen into the blood, supersaturing

it so to speak. quick quote:

" There are fundamental differences between HOT and ozonetherapy.

Although the bulk of the gas mixture in 95-99% 02, 03 therapy does

not aim to oxygenate the blood directly. With all of the procedures

(03-AHT--i think this stands for autohemologus transfer--EBOO--the

extracorporeal continuous ozonation machine they built, and

insuffation) the arterial P02 hardly increases in vivo. Yet if ozone

is used properly it has many virtues: disinfectant and

immunomodulatory (cytokine release) activities, increased delivery of

the oxygen to hypoxic tissue through vasodilation (via NO, C0) and

possible a shift of the Hb02 disssociation curve to the right (the

venous p02 may fall to 20mm Hg--meaning increased release of oxygen

to the tissues), release of growth factors " etc.

I believe the biooxidative therapies (03, H202 and the others

mentioned) are working by releasing hydroxyl radicals and superoxide

anion (which is similar to what happens in the phagocytes

with " respiratory burst " --this is how they kill bacteria, viruses

etc., although with the NK cell they are talking about perforins, or

hyperforins which i think has been looked at and i don't know what

these substances actually are or how they differ from the above

radicals). So it is my impression that things such as H202 can be

useful, particularly with increased viral loads (EBV, HBV etc),

although he does stress that one should have adequate antioxidant

capacity to " quench " the reactions set off by using these (somehow he

checks TAS- total antioxidant status) before even considering 03, i

asume the same goes for H202? He explains some things about the RBC

and its inability to produce GSH and then gets into involved

explanations of how these reactive intermediaries have been shown to

affect the immune system by affecting things such as NFKB. 03

produces so many of these they can't posssibly know what they all are.

One of the main ideas is to give the body a therapeutic " jolt " .

Explanations of TH1 and TH2 dominant pathologies are listed, one idea

is that the CD4+ (T helper cells) " get stuck " and biased towards a

TH1 or TH2 response. They then looked at various 03 concentrations

(the highest safe doses go up to 75ug/ml) and how normal subjects

cytokine patterns responded to varying concentrations. Based on

these cytokine profiles they then give the appropriate dose for the

condition. Don't know how the science of ozonetherapy has progressed

since this publication, let alone what data there is in CFIDS

population.

I was fascinated with the idea, esp. since there was some discussion

of improving the RBC deformability and oxygen release peripherally

(the 2-3 DPG shift). Still don't know what's going on with our

RBC's, let alone have i had this checked for the abnormal shape

(schistocytosis) that we are supposed to get. apparently some of

this was resolved in some people with B12? there might be something

else going on in the RBC wall, i think KdM's book went into it a

little, not sure (loaned it to my doc!). My concentration for

prolonged periods is declining...wish i could do more. i have had

some concern that the spleen may be filtering these cells out (which

is its job to get rid of old RBC's, generally live 90-120 days)

correlating that with the " splenomegaly " KdM's book mentions on exam

in some patients. i'm not aware of any literature that shows this,

but a tagged RBC nuclear med scan would be interesting to see if the

spleen lights up and should correlate with the degree of RBC

abnormality seen under the microscope. not sure what klimas' idea

was with the EPO, perhaps just to raise blood volume and 02 delivery?

maybe this is also due to a state of GSH depletion in the RBC?

book also reminded me about the RBC, relies on the hexose-

monophophate pathway for energy, D-ribose may help here?

hope this helps,

mike

[Guest guest]

gulfingnut has purchased two very powerful ozone generators, and he only says good things about them. you may want to write to him off the forum for his recommendation as to the power and from where he bought them.

I have to say that, I have not tried Cedarcide, but I believe that Cedarcide has been way overrated on this forum. I even saw a post from Rita, where she mentions using cedar oil in her car, instead of using the expensive co2 tanks to control mites in her car. I think the companies out there who prey on individuals suffering with parasites and mites, are charging way too much money for their products. It was Joan who originally posted that Cedarcide was one of the products she used to rid her home of the bird mites, but, and I have to say this. Her husband used ivermectin and was able to get a doctor to prescribe this medicine to him. he had many doses of it. Shortly after taking this ivermectin, several doses, they were able to get rid of them. It was probably a combination of these 2 things, that really did it, and not the Cedarcide itself.

So, if Rita is using Cedar Oil, I'm sure you can find that for pennies on the dollar. Read what trlyblest did to rid her home of these mites. Cedarcide in itself will not do it.

http://www.vermontcountrystore.com/shopping/product/detailmain.jsp?itemID=10468 & itemType=PRODUCT & iMainCat=728 & iSubCat=761 & iProductID=10468 & searchid=inceptor & feedid=nonbrand

Mel

From: mnf62 <mnf62@...>Subject: Ozonebird mites Date: Friday, June 27, 2008, 10:59 AM

(Sorry about that last message. I somehow managed to send it before it was done.)

Thanks again to all of you on this e-mail group. You're a wonderful resource and, without your help, I don't know how I would be able to cope with this scourge!

Here's my question. Has anyone had any success with an ozone generator? If so, what brand did you buy? My Cedar Cide (Best Yet) products are supposed to arrive today. I am trying to decide whether it makes sense to use ozone with Cedar Cide.

[Guest guest]

Mel,

Thanks for your quick reply. It was gulfingnut who suggested an ozone machine to me. However, I don't think he's used cedar cide. I thought perhaps someone may have experience using both (either together or in sequence). I don't want to do anything that might make either one less effective!!

You are absolutely right about people "preying" on victims of this malady. We all get so desperate to get rid of this and get our lives back that we are willing to try almost anything. At some point, maybe this will affect a large enough group of people that medical experts and government officials will have to take it seriously. In the meantime, we have to try to help ourselves and each other.

Mark

From: mnf62 <mnf62 (DOT) com>Subject: Ozonebird mitesDate: Friday, June 27, 2008, 10:59 AM

(Sorry about that last message. I somehow managed to send it before it was done.)

Thanks again to all of you on this e-mail group. You're a wonderful resource and, without your help, I don't know how I would be able to cope with this scourge!

Here's my question. Has anyone had any success with an ozone generator? If so, what brand did you buy? My Cedar Cide (Best Yet) products are supposed to arrive today. I am trying to decide whether it makes sense to use ozone with Cedar Cide.

[Guest guest]

You can get an ozone generator for around $800 and a used o2 concentrator at

least $200 or less.

So thats about $1K

And can buy a cheap sauna (portable or build your own.)

Dennis

 

....these oxygen type cures are very inexpensive and work. I think ozone

treatments are better, but more expensive.

russ