Re: Re: Unique ALL Cancer Vulnerabilities and Food Components that Attack Th

[Guest guest]

Ditto

Vic

________________________________

From: BW <westwood@...>

Sent: Fri, April 8, 2011

 

Dr Parr,

How wonderful of you to put this site and those PDFs together, and to post about

them here for us. Thank you very much! I've just downloaded mine to read.

Barbara

[Guest guest]

Can you repost the pdf's.

Thanks, Robyn

________________________________

From: Victor Swiercz <roadmst1@...>

Sent: Fri, April 8, 2011 6:27:37 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Unique ALL Cancer Vulnerabilities and Food

Components that Attack Th

Ditto

Vic

________________________________

From: BW <westwood@...>

Sent: Fri, April 8, 2011

Dr Parr,

How wonderful of you to put this site and those PDFs together, and to post about

them here for us. Thank you very much! I've just downloaded mine to read.

Barbara

[Guest guest]

I have a problem with any approach to health, no matter whose it is, that makes

the claim that something “is all you needâ€. I recall having quite a

discussion with someone telling me that LDN (Low Dose Naltrexone) is “all you

need†to battle cancer. My concern then was that people were going to be

misled if they bought into this argument.

This does not denigrate any of the advice given in the piece and a cursory look

at it reveals some interesting approaches to efforts needed to be made for

better health. However, there never will be a “one-stop-Location for

‘all’ you needâ€. The reason? The reason is ‘something’

(inflammation in this case) is picked on as The Cause up front. You know

from various posts that Inflammation is involved in ill health and cancer for

sure but it is just one of the steps in the path taken to reach that last one,

cancer. It is prominent but NOT the cause. We throw the word ‘cause’

around until it becomes meaningless because we have the proponents of

“emotions are the ‘cause’ of more than 90% of disease†and the “diet

is the cause of most disease†and now inflammation.

It is important to know that inflammation is involved but only because it adds

to our knowledge that there are steps to this pathology called cancer. We

know Ibuprofen and other nsaids reduce Inflammation but is this the course of

action we should be taking to thwart disease? I don’t think so although I

suspect there might be times that a quick reduction in inflammation might be

useful. Of course there are some more natural products out there but in my

case? They just do not seem to work. Get what you can out of this article but

do not, for one moment, buy into this as ‘The Answer’ to every problem,

least of all cancer which is hardly a cold or the flu. BTW, I am presently

dealing with a ‘knee’ issue and for sure there is inflammation involved and

yes, I have tried lots of Bromelain and lots of Curcumin which is one of my more

commonly used cancer fighter but the only relief (sorry to say) is Ibuprofen

which I do not use except on rare occasions. Two years ago I ‘beat’ a

Meniscus tear in the other knee by simply exercises but this one might require

more effort.

Joe C.

..

[Guest guest]

I agree.  I am new to this forum.  Contracted esophageal cancer in March of

2010.  Before I had a chance to think about it i went through 5 weeks of chemo

and radiation followed up a month later with surgery.  All was good with no

mets.  I went right back to living my life with the same old diet rich in beef

and processed food.  My 1st follow up pet scan showed a tumor on my t1

vertebrae. 

Then I started to do research and changed my diet completely. No processed foods

or beef.  Started the alkaline minerals esp potassium, magnesium, zinc and

calcium. Stopped all sodium chloride and now use only himalayan crystal salt.

The supplements I am taking are as follows - spirulina,  chlorella,  vitalzym

systemic enzymes,  and zeolite.  I will know in mid May when I have another pet

scan if I am healing  I do know that my oxygen saturation has been raised from

98% in November to 100% in March. Also my saliva and urine is reading more on

the alkaline side.  Will keep you posted.  I am confident about this also

because of my faith in God

I have a problem with any approach to health, no matter whose it is, that makes

the claim that something 'is all you need.'......

[Guest guest]

Dear Joe Castron,

I would agree that it may seem a possible over statement that my site

" longerhealthylife.net " is a one stop for all you need to know, but the range of

health information that is coalescing into a very good picture of what supports

not only health but longer life (in health, not sickly) are well worked out in

the case of calorie restriction. The data on calorie restriction clearly shows

us how to live longer in health. The purpose of my site is to integrate

information about calorie restriction, lowering chronic inflammation, avoiding

stupid food choices like high sugar or AGEs & ALEs that are absolutely indicated

in shortening our life spans alone with a host of other information to offer the

opportunity for a smart approach to a Longer Healthy Life.

In regard to your comment that inflammation is not involved in cancer creation,

the jury is still out on this because inflammation (elevation of activated NFkB

gene and production of a variety of secondary pathologies to epigenetic

stability - seems to rival the usual arguments that mutations are the only

things needed to intiate cancer. This process is now much less certain about

what events are controlling other events. It is entirely possible that the

general problems created by chronic levels of inflammation (not normal temporary

elevation and then return to normal) is the fundamental event triggering

different age-associated diseases - with the particular most prominant of

CVD,cancer, dementia, autoimmune, and type2 diabetes depending on genetics, life

history and particular organ weakness. This largely represents the current

scientific understanding of how we likely get to it.

Please remember that other environmental insults like toxic minerals and

radiation caused premature aging are also mediated by this process of chronic

inflammation. It seems to be a universal event that branches into one or more

particular disease outcomes again by genetic predisposition, life history and

potential lack of health wisdom (eating too much sugar, etc) as well as organ

weakness.

Please read the information in the PDF about using NSAIDs or similar, as they

are extremely dangerous when the high levels needed to turn down inflammation

are used.

As for the benefits of exercise with joint injuries that are not yet

irrepairable - I completely agree with you.

Regards, Ty Parr, Ph.D.

I have a problem with any approach to health, no matter whose it is, that makes

the claim that something is 'all you need'. I recall having quite a discussion

with someone telling me that LDN (Low Dose Naltrexone) is 'all you need' to

battle cancer. My concern then was that people were going to be misled if they

bought into this argument.

This does not denigrate any of the advice given in the piece and a cursory look

at it reveals some interesting approaches to efforts needed to be made for

better health. However, there never will be a 'one-stop-Location for all you

need.' The reason? The reason is something (inflammation in this case) is

picked on as 'The Cause' up front. You know from various posts that

Inflammation is involved in ill health and cancer for sure but it is just one of

the steps in the path taken to reach that last one, cancer. It is prominent

but NOT the cause. We throw the word 'cause' around until it becomes

meaningless because we have the proponents of 'emotions are the 'cause' of more

than 90% of disease' and the diet is the cause of most disease and now

inflammation.

It is important to know that inflammation is involved but only because it adds

to our knowledge that there are steps to this pathology called cancer. We

know Ibuprofen and other nsaids reduce Inflammation but is this the course of

action we should be taking to thwart disease? I don't think so although I

suspect there might be times that a quick reduction in inflammation might be

useful. Of course there are some more natural products out there but in my

case? They just do not seem to work. Get what you can out of this article but

do not, for one moment, buy into this as 'The Answer' to every problem, least of

all cancer which is hardly a cold or the flu. BTW, I am presently dealing with

a 'knee' issue and for sure there is inflammation involved and yes, I have tried

lots of Bromelain and lots of Curcumin which is one of my more commonly used

cancer fighter but the only relief (sorry to say) is Ibuprofen which I do not

use except on rare occasions. Two years ago I 'beat' a Meniscus tear in the

other knee by simply exercises but this one might require more effort.

Joe C.

[Guest guest]

Good post Joe I believe doctors these days tackle the symptoms not cause. though

 I no longer believe that cancer is  a disease I believe it is a condition of

the immune system and that disease is a direct cause of it i,e! people dont die

of cancer, they die of organ failure. In 2008 when I was told that diet can help

fight cancer I found it very heard to  believe it . but now its one of my main

treatments.  I have prostrate bone metastasis in my ribs and my lower back the

pain if one wanted  to call it that,  was beyond belief.

 In 2008 before I went on the diet I was in a poor state of mind then when the

pain medication  stop working.  I could only sleep for an hour at a time. then I

started taking  Ibuprofen to treat the symptoms for a while it did help but then

it to stop working but the diet did help with the cause, then  the symptoms took

care of them self 

Im now free of bone pain. and feel much better

Ray

________________________________

[Guest guest]

If you go back and read my post Tyler, you will see I made sure I said my

response was not to denigrate the information which seems “interestingâ€.

Additionally I did not say that

“In regard to your comment that inflammation is not involved in cancer

creationâ€, but rather I said : ‘You know from various posts that

Inflammation is involved in ill health and cancer for sure but it is just one of

the steps in the path taken to reach that last one, cancer’ and later: ‘It

is important to know that inflammation is involved’.

I don’t see a disagreement about the importance of inflammation, just its

place in the process and I suppose that doesn’t matter too much to someone

dealing with cancer. You again bring up the importance of Inflammation and it

wasn’t a week ago one of my posts actually spoke to the issue of Inflammation

and its place along the path leading to cancer and obviously, as you said, to

other diseases. I will never denigrate anyone that puts a big part of the

blame on diet and of course, the sugar issue. You are on the mark with that.

I also agree about the other influences besides diet in life and those include

the toxins you mention but these are part of the process that brings about every

symptom along the path we shouldn’t be on with Inflammation a big (noticeable)

part of the process. We usually do not know something is wrong until the

Inflammation pops up...........the warning of pain in most but not all cases. I

think of CRP, you Tyler are aware of, when I say that. For those not familiar

with C. Reactive Protein, it is a Protein that rises with the inflammation

process and can be tested to determine if there is inflammation going on and to

what degree. What it doesn’t seem to do is tell one where the inflammation

is.

Tyler, I don’t have any initials after my name and always worry that when I

‘question’ someone with credentials, I don’t come off the

‘know-it-all’. That’s hard to do when writing. The only credentials I

have are informal. More than 65 years of study, observation, learning, and

experiencing with a goodly share of mistakes along the way. I did not

disagree about the importance of diet, however, even the best of diets may still

find a person facing cancer because of the other influences on the body, immune

system, organism, or whatever one chooses to call this thing we live inside of.

The only thing I disagreed with is the “one stop†for “all†and I

appreciate your softening of the statements by saying, “well worked out†and

“indicated†which is more appropriate because Tyler, your site, implies even

unintentionally, that all we have learned and are learning from the experience

of others and practitioners on this list is unnecessary and all that is needed

is your site. I know you did not mean that.

I expect that I will ‘learn’ from your site and hope that happens. As

for ‘all we need to know’? Someone dealing with cancer needs to know a lot

more. Keep up your efforts as one of our list members, , once said

to me : “Information is our best friend†and it was given to me to impart

to my daughter-in-law newly diagnosed with what appeared to be aggressive breast

cancer. Yes, Information is our best friend!

Joe C.

From: Tyler Parr

Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 3:00 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Unique ALL Cancer Vulnerabilities and Food

Components that Attack Th

Dear Joe Castron,

I would agree that it may seem a possible over statement that my site

" longerhealthylife.net " is a one stop for all you need to know, but the range of

health information that is coalescing into a very good picture of what supports

not only health but longer life (in health, not sickly) are well worked out in

the case of calorie restriction. The data on calorie restriction clearly shows

us how to live longer in health. The purpose of my site is to integrate

information about calorie restriction, lowering chronic inflammation, avoiding

stupid food choices like high sugar or AGEs & ALEs that are absolutely indicated

in shortening our life spans alone with a host of other information to offer the

opportunity for a smart approach to a Longer Healthy Life.

In regard to your comment that inflammation is not involved in cancer creation,

the jury is still out on this because inflammation (elevation of activated NFkB

gene and production of a variety of secondary pathologies to epigenetic

stability - seems to rival the usual arguments that mutations are the only

things needed to intiate cancer. This process is now much less certain about

what events are controlling other events. It is entirely possible that the

general problems created by chronic levels of inflammation (not normal temporary

elevation and then return to normal) is the fundamental event triggering

different age-associated diseases - with the particular most prominant of

CVD,cancer, dementia, autoimmune, and type2 diabetes depending on genetics, life

history and particular organ weakness. This largely represents the current

scientific understanding of how we likely get to it.

Please remember that other environmental insults like toxic minerals and

radiation caused premature aging are also mediated by this process of chronic

inflammation. It seems to be a universal event that branches into one or more

particular disease outcomes again by genetic predisposition, life history and

potential lack of health wisdom (eating too much sugar, etc) as well as organ

weakness.

Please read the information�in the PDF about using NSAIDs or similar, as they

are extremely dangerous when the high levels needed to turn down inflammation

are used.

As for the benefits of exercise with joint injuries that are not yet

irrepairable�- I completely agree with you.

Regards,�Ty Parr, Ph.D.

I have a problem with any approach to health, no matter whose it is, that makes

the claim that something is 'all you need'. I recall having quite a discussion

with someone telling me that LDN (Low Dose Naltrexone) is 'all you need'� to

battle cancer. My concern then was that people were going to be misled if they

bought into this argument.

This does not denigrate any of the advice given in the piece and a cursory look

at it reveals some interesting approaches to efforts needed to be made for

better health. However, there never will be a 'one-stop-Location for all you

need.' The reason? The reason is something (inflammation in this case) is picked

on as 'The Cause' up front. You know from various posts that Inflammation is

involved in ill health and cancer for sure but it is just one of the steps in

the path taken to reach that last one, cancer. It is prominent but NOT the

cause. We throw the word 'cause' around until it becomes meaningless because we

have the proponents of 'emotions are the 'cause' of more than 90% of disease'

and the diet is the cause of most disease and now inflammation.

It is important to know that inflammation is involved but only because it adds

to our knowledge that there are steps to this pathology called cancer. We know

Ibuprofen and other nsaids reduce Inflammation but is this the course of action

we should be taking to thwart disease? I don't think so although I suspect there

might be times that a quick reduction in inflammation might be useful. Of course

there are some more natural products out there but in my case? They just do not

seem to work. Get what you can out of this article but do not, for one moment,

buy into this as 'The Answer' to every problem, least of all cancer which is

hardly a cold or the flu. BTW, I am presently dealing with a 'knee' issue and

for sure there is inflammation involved and yes, I have tried lots of Bromelain

and lots of Curcumin which is one of my more commonly used cancer fighter but

the only relief (sorry to say) is Ibuprofen which I do not use except on rare

occasions. Two years ago I 'beat' a Meniscus tear in the other knee by simply

exercises but this one might require more effort.

Joe C.

[Guest guest]

Let us know how it turns out.

Thanks,

Robyn

________________________________

From: <b77743@...>

Sent: Sat, April 9, 2011

I agree. I am new to this forum. Contracted esophageal cancer in March of

2010. Before I had a chance to think about it i went through 5 weeks of chemo

and radiation followed up a month later with surgery. All was good with no

mets. I went right back to living my life with the same old diet rich in beef

and processed food. My 1st follow up pet scan showed a tumor on my t1

vertebrae.

Then I started to do research and changed my diet completely. No processed foods

or beef. Started the alkaline minerals esp potassium, magnesium, zinc and

calcium. Stopped all sodium chloride and now use only himalayan crystal salt.

The supplements I am taking are as follows - spirulina, chlorella, vitalzym

systemic enzymes, and zeolite. I will know in mid May when I have another pet

scan if I am healing I do know that my oxygen saturation has been raised from

98% in November to 100% in March. Also my saliva and urine is reading more on

the alkaline side. Will keep you posted. I am confident about this also

because of my faith in God

[Guest guest]

Between what I wrote and what has followed, I’m not sure what I said. Ha.

For sure I did not say “inflammation is not involved in cancer creationâ€.

On the contrary, as in the past, I tried to say that I know Inflammation is

involved but exactly where in the process of one developing cancer........I

don’t know. When we ‘see’ something or ‘feel’ something what we are

experiencing is only the effect or the symptom. Like with Electricity, you

don’t see it, you just see what it does. Most cancer isn’t observable and

certainly not ‘felt’ until quite some time along its path of development.

All of these studies and observations only see the effect of something and I

personally do not know if what you are saying is correct or what others say. I

know a woman that died within two weeks of diagnosis and without obvious

symptoms before that. Apparently it was an unusual kind of cancer but, two

weeks? Some have said a cancer cell has to multiply 50 times before it is

detectable. I don’t know if this is fact but this can account for the

supposed ‘return’ of a cancer when in reality it never was gone.

Joe C.

[Guest guest]

Joe Don't get me wrong I got a lot out of what you were saying.  Im just

throwing

my two cents worth in. With what I was told in 2008, that cancer is a

condition of the immune system and that we produce cancer cells from the moment

we are born to the day we die. this is why babies get cancer some time before

there even born. Its just a balancing act between how many cancer cells our

immune system can kill off and how many survive. The key factor is the food we

eat. natural foods contain elements that help our immune system fight cancer

like enzymes.

In the first world war many solders developed cancer because there

diet was so poor. Madame Curie found this out when she used her x ray machine on

wounded soldiers in the first world war, the x rays from her machine were so

strong they shrank the cancer tumors. All our lives our immune system kills

off cancer cells. But the energy processed foods we eat makes the cancer cells

stronger, so our immune system has a harder time killing them all off, but in

area of low blood flow like in our bones, in between our interal organs, our

skin , it has a problem getting to the stronger cancer. on the right diet the

immune system will even kill off all the cancer cells, but on the wrong diet

of high energy process sugery foods the balance is tiped the cancer way

Ray Randall

________________________________

From: JoeCastron

Sent: Mon, 11 April, 2011

 

Between what I wrote and what has followed, I'm not sure what I said. Ha. For

sure I did not say 'inflammation is not involved in cancer creation.' On the

contrary, as in the past, I tried to say that I know Inflammation is involved

but exactly where in the process of one developing cancer........I don't know.

When we 'see' something or 'feel' something what we are experiencing is only the

effect or the symptom. Like with Electricity, you don't see it, you just see

what it does. Most cancer isn't observable and certainly not 'felt' until quite

some time along its path of development. All of these studies and observations

only see the effect of something and I personally do not know if what you are

saying is correct or what others say. I know a woman that died within two weeks

of diagnosis and without obvious symptoms before that. Apparently it was an

unusual kind of cancer but, two weeks? Some have said a cancer cell has to

multiply 50 times before it is detectable. I don't know if this is fact but this

can account for the supposed 'return' of a cancer when in reality it never was

gone.

Joe C.

[Guest guest]

Dear Joe Castron,

Initials behind a name mean little by themselves. What is important is the

potential to add more knowledge and opportunities for people to have a longer

healthy life which can be used to benefit the human condition. That can and has

been repeatedly done by people without initials behind their name. We basically

agree on most things. I never intended to pretend I had created all the

information on Longer Healthy Life, as I give URL references to all the critical

information I cite. Anyone can check out the validity of my statements. This

more than any other thing is important in discourse.

Our carefully done science has some reliability (especially when multiple

independent repeats find same). There will be some topics that cannot yet be

offered good solutions as we still don't understand underlying mechanisms (eg

Rheumatoid arthritis, etc.). Despite that, ordinary human beings are incredibly

smart and insightful. Often they solve problems with a smart intuitive wisdom of

years of experience. I clearly saw this when I was doing research at USC

Rheumatology section. Almost all of the patients were using MSM (methylsulfonyl

methane) to lower the severity of their diseases, but only one inquisitive and

really patient-centered doctor of some 20 physicians even knew this. Ordinary

humans are very able to evaluate benefit in most cases.

So much of our health care system is drug treatment of symptoms and then drug

treatment of the secondary negative effects of treating symptoms. Our health

care system is the most expensive in the world with the general health of

Americans middling at best. Some of this is as you say due to diet, exposure to

toxins, and our belief that a life time of not acting unwisely for our health

can be cured by some drug(s).

Of course one must realize that certain economic choices of producers (cheap

high fructose syrup, vaccines that contain other pathogens like the SV-40 in the

polio vaccines and many other viral pathogens still in vaccines, the list is

nearly endless). The only defense against this is a widely and deeply informed

citizenry that can rapidly evaluate and accept or reject the latest fad (super

high taurine and caffeine drinks that are proving dangerous to adolescents,

etc.). As you clearly put it.

Information is what can not just save your life but also extend it for a Longer

Healthy Life. That is the goal of my site and has gradually become the highest

goal of my life. Please forgive me if I overstated " all you need " . Perhaps all

our science and collective experience can teach us about how to gain a Longer

Healthy Life. I see if I can change the blurb to that! Thanks.

The problem with cancer is the one-off nature, where we (fortunately) don't get

a lot of experience with this until we are discovered to have it. The purpose of

my PDF is to show that ALL cancers have some unexploited universal (all cancer)

vulnerabilities and how to attack those vulnerabilities with components of long

used human foods that are probably our normal protection against developing

cancer in the first place.

If you scan cancer groups, one finds an almost endless listing of

particular cancer type groups each trying to help with that form of cancer. This

altered food component attack of ALL cancers alters the problem to one that can

be approached head on (regardless of the type of cancer) and changes it into a

few simple understandings that appear to work in all types. An enormous

advantage is the non-toxic nature that allows a multiplicity of synergetic

acting attacks and particularly the ability to revert cancer cells to normal

non-dividing cells. This sure beats a massive dose of DNA damaging chemotoxics

in my evaluation.

 

I want to thank you for the feedback - I too can learn and grow from the wisdom

of others.

Ty Parr, Ph.D. or just Ty Parr - your choice

If you go back and read my post Tyler, you will see I made sure I said my

response was not to denigrate the information which seems “interestingâ€.

Additionally I did not say that

“In regard to your comment that inflammation is not involved in cancer

creationâ€, but rather I said : ‘You know from various posts that

Inflammation is involved in ill health and cancer for sure but it is just one of

the steps in the path taken to reach that last one, cancer’ and later: ‘It

is important to know that inflammation is involved’.

I don’t see a disagreement about the importance of inflammation, just its

place in the process and I suppose that doesn’t matter too much to someone

dealing with cancer. You again bring up the importance of Inflammation and it

wasn’t a week ago one of my posts actually spoke to the issue of Inflammation

and its place along the path leading to cancer and obviously, as you said, to

other diseases. I will never denigrate anyone that puts a big part of the

blame on diet and of course, the sugar issue. You are on the mark with that.

I also agree about the other influences besides diet in life and those include

the toxins you mention but these are part of the process that brings about every

symptom along the path we shouldn’t be on with Inflammation a big (noticeable)

part of the process. We usually do not know something is wrong until the

Inflammation pops up...........the warning of pain in most but not all cases. I

think of CRP, you

Tyler are aware of, when I say that. For those not familiar with C. Reactive

Protein, it is a Protein that rises with the inflammation process and can be

tested to determine if there is inflammation going on and to what degree.

What it doesn’t seem to do is tell one where the inflammation is.

Tyler, I don’t have any initials after my name and always worry that when I

‘question’ someone with credentials, I don’t come off the

‘know-it-all’. That’s hard to do when writing. The only credentials I

have are informal. More than 65 years of study, observation, learning, and

experiencing with a goodly share of mistakes along the way. I did not

disagree about the importance of diet, however, even the best of diets may still

find a person facing cancer because of the other influences on the body, immune

system, organism, or whatever one chooses to call this thing we live inside of.

The only thing I disagreed with is the “one stop†for “all†and I

appreciate your softening of the statements by saying, “well worked out†and

“indicated†which is more appropriate because Tyler, your site, implies even

unintentionally, that all we have learned and are learning from the experience

of others and practitioners on this

list is unnecessary and all that is needed is your site. I know you did not

mean that.

I expect that I will ‘learn’ from your site and hope that happens. As for

‘all we need to know’? Someone dealing with cancer needs to know a lot

more. Keep up your efforts as one of our list members, , once said

to me : “Information is our best friend†and it was given to me to impart

to my daughter-in-law newly diagnosed with what appeared to be aggressive breast

cancer. Yes, Information is our best friend!

Joe C.

[Guest guest]

Hello Randdall Crossley,

I agree that our body is getting rid of cancer all along, but cancer is often

able to get around this immune surveillance. Almost all the scientific efforts

to boost the ability of the immune system to take out cancer have been a very

long listing of failures. Either we don't well enough understand the dynamics or

are just on the wrong track.

It is very clear that nutrition is very very important in this process. What

may unite all this is the elevation of a chronic unhealthy level of inflammation

that arises from so many types of problems: dietary deficiencies or simply bad

diet (high fructose syrups, etc) rather than a good diet, inappropriate exposure

to higher free radical exposure, cooking foods to create AGEs and ALEs (higher

levels of this can drop calorie restricted extension of life span back below

that of the ad libitum fed controls without the AGEs & ALEs), toxic minerals and

drugs, radiation (which strongly increases the activation of NFkB at over 10

milliSieverts accumulation), continuing viral and bacterial infections, etc.

What may be occurring is a general mechanism of inappropriate prolonged or

chronic elevation of the activation of the start of the inflammation process

(NFkB) for all of these that then branches to various epigenetic alterations

that then promote different age-associated diseases depending on genetic

predisposition's, life history of environmental or diet contributions, and pure

chance. It is not longer certain that the first steps in cancer creation are DNA

damage, there are simply too many other players acting here. We will have to

wait for research to pin this down.

Regards, Ty Parr, Ph.D.

Valid email from Tyler Parr

Joe Don't get me wrong I got a lot out of what you were saying. Im just

throwing my two cents worth in. With what I was told in 2008, that cancer is a

condition of the immune system and that we produce cancer cells from the moment

we are born to the day we die. this is why babies get cancer some time before

there even born. Its just a balancing act between how many cancer cells our

immune system can kill off and how many survive. The key factor is the food we

eat. natural foods contain elements that help our immune system fight cancer

like enzymes.

In the first world war many solders developed cancer because there

diet was so poor. Madame Curie found this out when she used her x ray machine on

wounded soldiers in the first world war, the x rays from her machine were so

strong they shrank the cancer tumors. All our lives our immune system kills

off cancer cells. But the energy processed foods we eat makes the cancer cells

stronger, so our immune system has a harder time killing them all off, but in

area of low blood flow like in our bones, in between our interal organs, our

skin , it has a problem getting to the stronger cancer. on the right diet the

immune system will even kill off all the cancer cells, but on the wrong diet of

high energy process sugery foods the balance is tiped the cancer way

Ray Randall

[Guest guest]

To Jane,

I agree that grass fed animal (instead of grain or corn fed) are a much better

nutritional choice. In spite of this, there is a fundamental fact that must be

acknowledged. Heating protein or unsaturated lipids(polyunsaturated membrane or

even monounsaturated like olive or almonds) in the presence of a reducing sugar

(most simple sugars -having a aldehyde or keto group like lactose, glucose,

fructose, etc.), results in formation of reducing sugars cross links to damage

proteins and lipids. These are called AGE (advanced glycation endproducts) or

ALE (Advanced lipid endproducts) that are very harmful to us. Once ingested,

they are like the guest from hell.

We have almost no mechanisms to get rid of them. Thus they course around in our

system and trigger a receptor called the RAGE receptor that is triggered to

respond to bacterial pathogen type sugar-protein or sugar-lipid products that

have these structures. This RAGE receptor then signals all lymphocytes it comes

into contact with that we have a raging infection (not only innate immunity

and T & B cells can do this !).

The result is a slow gradual rise in systematic chronic inflammation that leads

to a whole variety of epigenetic and yet further inflammatory activations. It is

not inconceivable that this may be one other major limitations of a Longer

Healthy Life in humans. No other animals cook their food !

Calorie restricted animals that typically life 20-30% longer than ad libitum (as

much food as they want, CR are fed only 60% of this) have been tested with AGEs

& ALEs. When their food was just heated for a while, the 20-30% lifespan

extension fell below that of the control ad libitum animals. While the

experiment has not been done in humans for obvious reasons, we may have been

doing the experiment ourselves !

Do not assume that I am suggesting we all go raw - somethings have to be cooked

for safety (eggs(salmonella), potential contamination with other bacteria, etc.)

and protection against biological untoward consequences (biotin binding avidin

in raw eggs,oxalic acid in rhubarb, etc.). Almost all the wonderful flavors from

cooking meat or fatty foods are these AGEs & ALEs. A major need of humans in the

future is to find safe ways to get these wonderful flavors without suffering the

consequences.

I will shortly post much more about AGEs & ALEs and the foods that are low in

these on Longer Healthy Life. There will also be a Subscriber only PDF on this

area. This may be a big limitation on human life spans.

Also, microwave cooking and food irradiation are a nutritional disaster. This

will also be posted in detail to Longer Health Life and Subscribers will get

more information via PDF. 

Regards, Ty Parr

> I agree.  I am new to this forum.  Contracted esophageal cancer in March of

2010.  Before I had a chance to think about it i went through 5 weeks of chemo

and radiation followed up a month later with surgery. All was good with no

mets.  I went right back to living my life with the same old diet rich in beef

and processed food.  My 1st follow up pet scan showed a tumor on my t1

vertebrae. 

> Then I started to do research and changed my diet completely. No processed

foods or beef. Started the alkaline minerals esp potassium, magnesium, zinc and

calcium. Stopped all sodium chloride and now use only himalayan crystal salt.

The supplements I am taking are as follows - spirulina, chlorella,  vitalzym

systemic enzymes,  and zeolite. I will know in mid May when I have another pet

scan if I am healing I do know that my oxygen saturation has been raised from

98% in November to 100% in March. Also my saliva and urine is reading more on

the alkaline side.  Will keep you posted.  I am confident about this also

because of my faith in God

[Guest guest]

Dear thurx.

Thanks for the generous comments.I have a listing of my scientific publications

in the Site Structure at the bottom. URLs take you to the paper citation or the

whole paper.I came to the conclusion that what I was doing with gene therapy was

not as important as a deeper wider understanding of nutrition, biological

wisdom, and providing people with an undestanding of what science has learned

about extending animal life (now including primates like us!). I have decided to

use the subscriber method (not very expensive at $30/year) to allow me to

continue giving my time to this.

The site is by no means completed, so please forgive some sections that are

under revision.

Again, Thanks,

Ty Parr, Ph.D.

--- On Sun, 4/10/11, thurx <thurx@...> wrote

Tyler,

Its good to see a discussion begin here about your web site. I must say that

from the first appearance of your post mentioning it, I went and reviewed almost

all that you have there on cancer. Then I went and searched the entire

message database and also looked in other sites that are compendiums

of cancer cures, such as Cancer Fighting Strategies, Cancer Tutor, etc. Then I

went and just searched the net for your name. I came up with nothing.

I was impressed and amazed that your site had seemed to rise up out of nothing

at all and be so extensive, but had to come to the conclusion that, SINCE IT

SEEMS TO BE A COMMERCIAL VENTURE (I keep encountering the invitation to become a

" subscriber " on your pages), that you just put it all together and then when it

was ready, you started to announce it here and there. I see you've also declared

its existence on Cancer Compass as of Friday.

As you've discovered, you've encountered a good test here at this user group, as

it contains a great many skeptics who have been searching for many years through

the literature. I'm looking forward to see how your venture turns out. You've

put in a lot of work, and it looks quite thorough. If you want some good

criticism, keep pumping this group and you'll get it.

I must say that I like what you've written on the issue of longevity. Its

obviously pertinent to anyone struggling with cancer, but to all the rest of us

also. Your page on antioxidants is better than anything I've read anywhere on

the subject. I especially like how you help people rank and subset the foods so

that they can get the best anti-oxidant nutrition, in a balanced way, by eating

a half-dozen very important foods. If they want more variety, they can add more

vegetables, but you have put the focus on a few vegetables that provide the most

of the different antioxidants!:

http://www.longerhealthylife.net/Antioxidants.html

That page is also great at showing the importance of appropriate exercise to

anti-oxidation, and the importance of spices. Thanks, and best of luck in your

endeavor!

[Guest guest]

,

How much of each supplement to you take? What brands?

Thanks, Robyn

<b77743@...> wrote:

> I agree. I am new to this forum. Contracted esophageal cancer in March of

>2010. Before I had a chance to think about it i went through 5 weeks of chemo

>and radiation followed up a month later with surgery. All was good with no

>mets. I went right back to living my life with the same old diet rich in beef

>and processed food. My 1st follow up pet scan showed a tumor on my t1

>vertebrae.

> Then I started to do research and changed my diet completely. No processed

>foods or beef. Started the alkaline minerals esp potassium, magnesium, zinc and

>calcium. Stopped all sodium chloride and now use only himalayan crystal salt.

>The supplements I am taking are as follows - spirulina, chlorella, vitalzym

>systemic enzymes, and zeolite. I will know in mid May when I have another pet

>scan if I am healing I do know that my oxygen saturation has been raised from

>98% in November to 100% in March. Also my saliva and urine is reading more on

>the alkaline side. Will keep you posted. I am confident about this also

>because of my faith in God

[Guest guest]

I take 10 tabs of spirulina by More Nutrition  20 200 ng tabs of sun chlorella

Also take 6 gelcaps of Vitalzym 3 times a day on an empty stomach and 15 drops

of Liquid Cellular Defense zeolite 3 times a day..I use angstrom minerals which

are liquid and absorbed on the cellular level.  In the morning it is 6 tsp of

magnesium.3 tsp of zinc and 5 tsp of potassium.  In the evening it is 1 tsp of

copper and 3 tsp of calcium  I also take flaxseed oil with lignans 2tbls twice

daily.  I have eliminated all processed food also and eat a lot of fresh fruit

and veggies.

[Guest guest]

Correction: the spirulina is by nutrex

> I agree. I am new to this forum. Contracted esophageal cancer in March of

2010. Before I had a chance to think about it i went through 5 weeks of chemo

and radiation followed up a month later with surgery. All was good with no mets.

I went right back to living my life with the same old diet rich in beef and

processed food. My 1st follow up pet scan showed a tumor on my t1 vertebrae.

> Then I started to do research and changed my diet completely. No processed

foods or beef. Started the alkaline minerals esp potassium, magnesium, zinc and

calcium. Stopped all sodium chloride and now use only himalayan crystal salt.

>The supplements I am taking are as follows - spirulina, chlorella, vitalzym

systemic enzymes, and zeolite. I will know in mid May when I have another pet

scan if I am healing I do know that my oxygen saturation has been raised from

98% in November to 100% in March. Also my saliva and urine is reading more on

the alkaline side. Will keep you posted. I am confident about this also because

of my faith in God

[Guest guest]

Is your cancer gone?

Thanks, Robyn

________________________________

From: <b77743@...>

Sent: Mon, April 11, 2011

I take 10 tabs of spirulina by More Nutrition 20 200 ng tabs of sun chlorella

Also take 6 gelcaps of Vitalzym 3 times a day on an empty stomach and 15 drops

of Liquid Cellular Defense zeolite 3 times a day..I use angstrom minerals which

are liquid and absorbed on the cellular level. In the morning it is 6 tsp of

magnesium, 3 tsp of zinc and 5 tsp of potassium. In the evening it is 1 tsp of

copper and 3 tsp of calcium I also take flaxseed oil with lignans 2tbls twice

daily. I have eliminated all processed food also and eat a lot of fresh fruit

and veggies.

[Guest guest]

The mets were discovered on Dec 3 and my next pet scan is scheduled for the

middle of May.  I truly have faith it will be gone. Potassium I believe is the

key for me

Is your cancer gone?

Thanks, Robyn

________________________________

From: <b77743@...>

Sent: Mon, April 11, 2011

I take 10 tabs of spirulina by More Nutrition 20 200 ng tabs of sun chlorella

Also take 6 gelcaps of Vitalzym 3 times a day on an empty stomach and 15 drops

of Liquid Cellular Defense zeolite 3 times a day..I use angstrom minerals which

are liquid and absorbed on the cellular level. In the morning it is 6 tsp of

magnesium, 3 tsp of zinc and 5 tsp of potassium. In the evening it is 1 tsp of

copper and 3 tsp of calcium I also take flaxseed oil with lignans 2tbls twice

daily. I have eliminated all processed food also and eat a lot of fresh fruit

and veggies.

[Guest guest]

Hi Tyler Parr, 

I find it all to do with diet and what our body gets out of

the foods we eat and the wrong foods we eat. I agree when you say that " Almost

all the scientific efforts to boost the ability of the immune system to take out

cancer have been a very long listing of failures. Either we don't well enough

understand the dynamics or are just on the wrong track. " and when you say the

wrong track, you're right. enzyme from the raw foods we eat play a keen role in

our immune system's ability to fight cancer.

http://www.naturalnews.com/022452.html

(NaturalNews) Enzymes are molecules that act as catalysts for all chemical

reactions within the body and are necessary to sustain life. There are two basic

categories: digestive enzymes which work in the stomach breaking down food

particles before their nutrients can be absorbed, and metabolic (or systemic)

enzymes whose primary work begins in the bloodstream digesting foreign debris

before traveling to bodily tissues to continue this and other functions. A

chronic deficiency of enzymes weakens the immune system, contributes to illness,

and ultimately promotes diseases such as cancer. Both enzyme types are produced

in the body but are also present in raw foods and through oral supplementation.

To achieve and maintain optimum health, an adequate supply of both forms is

fundamental.

There are twenty-two different types of enzymes produced in the body, primarily

by the pancreas, and this production diminishes as we age (1). The three basic

digestive enzymes are amylase, lipase, and protease which breakdown

carbohydrates, fats and proteins. Additionally, cellulose and lactose break down

fiber and dairy. These enzymes work in the stomach during the period of

pre-digestion; however, when food is cooked or processed its naturally occurring

enzymes are destroyed. Consuming denatured food overburdens the body as it taps

into its ever-decreasing enzyme supply in an effort to complete the

pre-digestion process.

When insufficient pre-digestion occurs, the body produces an excess amount of

stomach acid trying to offset the imbalance. This contributes to acid reflux,

heartburn, gas, bloating, and malnutrition (even in overweight individuals) due

to incomplete digestion. Partially digested proteins putrefy in the intestines

forming toxic substances. Once these toxins enter the bloodstream, they weaken

the immune system and contribute to many serious health conditions as they

accumulate in tissues throughout the body. Consuming raw food, reducing the

amount of cooked and processed foods as much as possible, chewing food

thoroughly to activate enzymes in saliva, plus regular supplementation of

digestive enzymes with meals will help offset the ill effects of an enzyme

deficiency. Enzyme-rich food ensures its complete digestion and leaves the

body's supplies available for other processes.

Complimenting the work of digestive enzymes are metabolic enzymes which

facilitate virtually every chemical reaction and cellular function of the body,

including cleansing the blood and reducing inflammation throughout the body,

among many other vital bodily processes. A deficiency results when metabolic

enzymes are diverted for digestion requirements. A weakened immune system due to

an unmet enzyme deficiency allows for the accumulation of pathogens (disease

causing agents) and carcinogens (cancer causing substances), and the body's

inability to suppress or contain the growth of cancerous cells.

Nearly all pathogens, including cancer cells, are protected by a protein-based

coating, or " fibrin " , that makes it difficult for the immune system to identify

and destroy them. This sticky coating can be up to 15 times thicker than the

membrane of normal cells (1,5). This is where metabolic enzymes are needed. The

bulk of these enzymes are proteases, or " protealytic " , which means they speed up

the breakdown of proteins. In sufficient quantities, they digest the protective

fibrin membrane and expose the cancer cells to the immune system.

Since the pancreas produces most of the body's enzyme supplies, supplementing

with metabolic enzymes assists this often-overworked organ and helps stave off

cancer. An ample supply of pancreatic enzymes should be taken orally between

meals to ease the body's metabolic burden and conserve its enzyme supplies.

Unlike digestive enzymes which are taken with food, metabolic enzymes are taken

on an empty stomach to facilitate their entry into the bloodstream. Due to their

protein-digesting capabilities and health-enhancing properties, therapeutic

doses of metabolic/pancreatic enzymes have been successfully used for decades to

help treat cancer.

[for access to the full article, use the link above]

[Guest guest]

Greetings,

So when would you take the enzymes when you are trying to space your

food out over the whole day, eating five or six small snacks, no meals.

This is the ideal way for a diabetic, controlled by diet to eat.

Bright Blessings,

Garth & Kim

[Guest guest]

It depends on the type of enzyme. I take systemic enzymes 3 time a day at least

1 hour after eating an half an hour before a meal.  The digestive enzymes should

be taken with each meal

Greetings,

So when would you take the enzymes when you are trying to space your

food out over the whole day, eating five or six small snacks, no meals.

This is the ideal way for a diabetic, controlled by diet to eat.

Bright Blessings,

Garth & Kim

[Guest guest]

Hi Garth & Kim, I know how you feel My father in law had stomach cancer after

the op he to  had vitamin k and five to six little snack meals a day But this is

an awfull way for a diabetic to make sure there sugar dont get to high.  I know

a lot of teas that reduce glucose level in blood.  but the best one is olive

left tea

 I got this off this  link

http://www.thalassemiapatientsandfriends.com/index.php?topic=3449.0 hope it

helps

Ray