Re: Re: Based on The Hidden Story Of Cancer

[Guest guest]

That's right Sid, cancer IS anaerobic and cannot live in the presence

of oxygen but the question then becomes why are the cells starved for

oxygen. Answer= toxic body, blood sludge, Liver plugged with congealed

bile, dehydrations of cells. Our brilliant cells attempt to save their

lives by coating themselves with cholesterol. I hear that some of the

nano sized nutrients coming out these days are pretty good but I don't

have any personal experience with them. It all comes down to feeding

the cells, cellular respiration and most important support your bodies

immune system army!

You immune system gives it life for us everyday. Our military could

not do a thing if we didn't support them with supplies they need.

Natural health

Through Natural means

Is a Divine Right.

Bell Buckle, Tn.

[Guest guest]

“Lack of Oxygen to the cells is the cause of cancerâ€.

If we think that out, and we assume the Oxygen Factor is that important and I

don’t know that, would it not be prudent to say, “the cause of cancer

is/are the conditions that bring about the lack of oxygen in the cells?â€

Saying it the other way as is being done is putting the cart before the horse

and again, this only assumes we accept the oxygen theory. Another point of

information for those not aware, Otto Warburg did not received the Nobel Prize

for research on cancer but for ‘Cell Respiration’ which did relate to his

research on cancer. However, let us assume that the lack of oxygen is as

important as some claim. Just ask yourself, how does that happen? What

causes the lack of oxygen? Does it just happen? It seems that the lack of

oxygen in cells, if important, is brought about by any number of events or do we

disregard life-style, environmental issues, emotions? We live in an

exceptional organism (the body) that is hardly a simple one. It is almost

completely self-sustaining except that it requires certain fuels. It also is

self-cleaning and when that self-cleaning is hindered by all the things we

believe negatives, poor lifestyle, environmental issues and stress, it breaks

down just as does the automobile. It seems difficult to blame all cancers on

one thing and to make it more difficult, not all cancers are identical but

only have similar symptoms. After all what we see are only symptoms.

Regardless of what any of us say or all the articles showing research, once

facing cancer, we must deal with it and there never was one cure-all.

Joe C.

[Guest guest]

This subject is interesting but not because it teaches something many of us

don’t know, but because it is not new-period. In fact the Budwig Protocol

speaks to this. I go back to ‘stuff’ I read back in the 50s, written much

earlier, that taught us proper eating and why. All these newbies, not our list

members, but those preaching this theory are simply putting out what has been

known for many decades and adding a few twists here and there that have little

to do with putting good dietary habits into practice. That one would not get

cancer simply by eating the ‘right’ diet is not sound thinking. While

these ‘experts’ tell us about all the things that are bad, they tell us that

these wouldn’t bother us as long as we eat properly. Tell that to those that

rightly believe stress is important or that exposure to chemicals is dangerous.

.. Is it wrong for these ‘experts’ to put forth this information about

proper eating? Of course not but understand, this has been known for a lot

longer than most of us have been seeking alternative ways. Perhaps some of the

technical aspects of exactly how respiration of cells works is better to be

known , but what needs to be taught and disseminated is the proper way to eat.

When we finally get to the bottom line, IF cell respiration and this entire

oxygen theory is correct, is it the cause of cancer or the things done that

brings about the conditions that cause the improper Respiration?

The answer that seems obvious is that the Conditions that cause the lack of

oxygen that are important. You can’t have the one without the other.It is

the final stage of a pathological process, not the first stage. All of the

things that lead to the improper cell action are to blame so how can bad eating,

exposure to carcinogenics, poor air, lack of rest, or Stress be secondary?

You can put the cart before the horse but you can’t get anywhere doing it.

Death certificates use this kind of thinking.. They put, Primary cause of death

– Heart failure even when it was cancer that put the person into that

condition but they’ll give that or some other symptom a ‘Secondary’

designation. What I have notices over the more than 60 years involved with the

‘right way’ is book after book and theory after theory that wind up saying a

lot but doing a little. This list is known for members, me included, beating

a subject to death. Once the theory has been given and a lot of posts devoted

to it, it is time to move on. That doesn’t mean it can’t be mentioned

but to devote copies of books and long-winded (like mine) posts about it for

weeks, then it becomes counter-productive. We have not reached that stage on

this subject, however, we will unless the moderators move us along before that

happens.

Joe C.

From: thurx

Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 10:06 AM

Subject: [ ] Re: Based on The Hidden Story Of Cancer

Good point Helen. I've read almost everything Peskin has written, and

Sidaust's reference is a great compendium.

The important points that Peskin makes regarding your question are along these

lines:

1. Its the adulterated o-6 that is first of all very important to get out of

your diet. Omit processed foods. Don't eat in restaurants. Don't buy salad oils

or salad dressings from the store. These foods will all have adulterated seed

oils in them if they have any oil at all. Just about no commercial food is every

prepared with lard or butter any longer for instance.

2. It will take 16 to 18 weeks of omitting these foods before your cells will be

close to full restoration of healthy omega-6 that will allow full oxygenation.

This is because it takes that long for a cell, on average, to die and for the

generation of a new cell to take its place. When a cell dies, its material will

be reused to some degree, but Peskin says that new omega-6 will be used in

its cell walls, so if you have healthy o-6 available, you will have a full

functioning cell again. Remember, this 16 to 18 weeks is an average. Blood cells

can be replaced every 4-6 weeks. Brain cells last a lifetime!

3. You will get the healthy omega-6 from the healthy foods you eat, just as you

always have. But its important to JUST eat the healthy ones. Just as all your

cells have omega-6, all other animal and plant cells have omega-6 and omega-3.

And if you eat a variety of foods, I believe you will have a good balance. I say

" I believe " because Peskin neither says this or denies it. He does focus

on supplements to get " the correct ratio " . But AS YOU SAY, we also get these

oils from all food. The only reason to supplement is if you thought you were not

getting enough. Personally, I eat some walnuts several times a week, and make my

own mayonnaise and salad dressing from organic, cold-pressed walnut oil (it has

about 2.5 times as much o-6 as o-3) so I don't take any supplements. But I think

you will get a good blend if you just eat lots of raw and lightly cooked food.

4. We as a species have always been healthy as to our hearts, diabetes, and

cancer, until the last century. Then the polyunsaturated oils were introduced

into commercial use and they were modified to give them longer shelf life. That

is where the problem started. If we omit them from the diet, and stick to a

healthy diet, these problems will diminish. Yes, we still have toxins and

radiation and stress like never before. Peskin claims these are secondary causes

of cancer though, and if we rid our diet of the adulterated oils, cancer will

not take hold. And, it goes without saying, if you already have cancer, you want

to follow these guidelines to help prevent metastasis. The consideration of oils

is not going to kill cancer necessarily, but if done right it can prevent any

more cells from falling victim to cancer. Diets that stress avoiding sugars, and

many other things are probably more crucial to actually starving the cancer that

already exists.

So the final thing I have to say to answer your question about considering all

the foods eaten when trying to balance o-6:o-3 is that its more important to rid

our diet of unhealthy oils. The balancing will take care of itself as it always

has if we eat just healthy foods. We've survived for eons without a

" omega-6:omega-3 scale " ! Different meats contain different amounts. Range fed

beef has a more normal ratio than grain fed beef which ends up being too low in

omega-3. But different cuts of meat are very different in content. Skin has

almost no omega-3. Muscle has a o-6:o-3 ratio of about 6:1. Fat is about 20:1.

Organ meat 4:1. But brain is 100:1. These are the ratios in our own bodies, but

it shows you that it can vary in animals also. If you want to supplement, go

ahead. Personally, I think it is sufficient to just eat healthy foods and avoid

unhealthy ones. I don't worry about balancing my omega's because, as you say,

that would be a worrisome chore! Best of Health to you.

>

> ...The bottom line we all need omega 6/3 in the correct ratio...you can

purchase them yourself or purchase them already mixed...lack of oxygen to the

cells is the cause of cancer accouring to the research of Dr Warburg...

>

[Guest guest]

Greetings,

I do believe there are as many causes for cancer as there are people

with cancer. Cancer is normally caused by a combination of

event/stimulus's. For me, the big one was stress, but my body never was

strong. I haven't eaten prepared foods for well over fifteen years, and

never much even then. Many different things can add up, while you may

get away with a poor diet for a while, when everything is going well,

add in some stress and an injury, of a new home with lots of

formaldehyde, and you will have a problem.

Bright Blessings,

Garth & Kim

www.TheRoseColoredForest.com

Bedias, Texas

936-395-0110

[Guest guest]

: Garth & Kim said: " Cancer is normally caused by a combination of

event/stimulus's "

You are pretty close to being 100% and I say 'close' because none of us are

100% on anything.

You say a " combination of events/stimulus and that pretty much coincides

with what I have come to accept and that is a Pathology that goes from

irritation, to inflammation, on to induration, and eventually cancer -if

something else doesn't get us first. What others have named Pathology,

which I use, you have named A Combination of events and Garth, that thought

process doesn't take anything away from Cell-Respiration (oxygen factor) it

just doesn't lay everything at the feet of oxygen because this 'combination'

you speak of is part of the process that may lead to a lack of oxygen in the

cells. I cannot verify this and while it may make sense, if this is the

case then it is only a 'result' not the reason and that result may lead to

cancer. The finest instruments, albeit fantastic today, still cannot see

beyond what they can. In fact Garth, the symptoms we see are simply the

body reacting. It is the host that act, not the substance. You can inject

anything into a cadaver and nothing happens. There isn't a laxative that is

effective on a corpse. It is the body that reacts to the stimuli/poison

etc.

What is stress? Can't touch it but we sure can tell when we have it. It

isn't the stress.........the love affair gone astray

the loss of someone, it is what it does to us. I was taught, and I've

beaten this to death at least 3 times a year, is that stress uses enormous

amounts of nerve energy and when the body loses nerve energy normal everyday

elimination processes do not function as they should. Millions of cells

die and are replaced (hopefully) ever minute (second?) I don't know which,

but this cell residue which is toxic, is normally eliminated by the body

through the usual methods which include sweating, defecation, urination,

even breathing. Anything that inhibits this normal process and today I'll

call it a 'Combination of things' that you use, creates overloads of toxin

that require heroic efforts to rid itself of. However this is going on all

the time and we are constantly assaulting our bodies by improper diet,

exposure to environmental challenges (poisons) and yes, stress and a lot of

other things I suppose.

Take for example my issue.Bladder cancer. It is thought to be a

combination of things that have a causal relationship and 'causal

relationship' and those things include smoking, exposure to chlorine and

even retention of urine in excess of what most people have. Additionally,

hair dyes were considered a factor in bladder cancer development and

development is how cancer is finally present. It is not an overnight event

but a pathology ending in cancer. Not everyone having these things I

mentioned get bladder cancer but I've done all of those things AND one more:

Excess exposure to X-rays/Fluoroscopes when in the military. In 1952, for

you new folk that haven't been bored to tears by this story, a Veterans

Administration Radiologist said, " you've have your life's share of X-Rays

already " . Don't you think I surmise that the bladder cancer may be a

result? I don't know except I know I have been dealing with this thing for

almost nine years.

Joe C.

[Guest guest]

DNA damage is caused by toxins and bad nutrition. Spirulina and chlorella will

remove toxins and reverse some DNA damage. Other forms of detoxing will help as

well like hyperthermina / far infrared saunas. It had been known for quite

awhile that vitamin D prevents cancer and that the current recommendation of 400

units per day is at least 10 times too little. Snoop around a bit on the CDC web

site and info this was known since the late 50's. Yet nothing was done to

protect business as usual. For fighting cancer even more vitamin D is

needed, some people will need up to 20,000 units per day depending on testing.

In fact the opposite was done and people were told to stay out of the sun and to

use toxic sunscreen. Result, cancer rates have skyrocketed. Check into animal

omega 3's as well. Of course too much sun is no good either, never burn.

Nova has a very good program on epigenetics or the reversal of toxins and repair

of DNA damage. Nutrition is key with DNA repair.

There are good and bad mushrooms, check into miatake, shitake, and ABM

mushrooms. ABM mushrooms are used in Japan sometimes in the place of chemo.

Domestic mushrooms are considered bad.

I have read many so called articles about causes, there seems to be many,

stress, lack of direct sun light, toxins, bad omega 6, lack of animal omega 3,

vaccines, antibiotics, lack of good bacteria in the intestine, medications,

(almost any medication is a toxin and damages the gut flora)anything that

weakens the immune system, low vitamin D, lack of selenium due to over farmed

soils, processed foods, any food altered by man, dirty electric, lack of

exercise, being overweight, bad carbs and sugar, things containing yeast, too

much animal protein, pesticides and preservatives, Things that block nutrient

absorption such as corn, wheat, gluten, and all pasteurized milk products,

cooked foods that kill enzymes, sugar in the blood, to name a few. In the

early 1900's people consumed 3 pounds of sugar per year, today 170 pounds is

common.  

The most revealing statistic is that cancer rates sky rocket north of 20 degrees

latitude. This is where the sun does not produce vitamin D on the skin during

the winter. The other very revealing statistic is most cancers occur during the

winter when the sun is at the wrong angle north of 20 degrees lat. This

includes most if not all of the US.

Some info on spirulina and chlorella.

Additional info on sunlight

Vic

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From: thurx

Sent: Fri, March 11, 2011

I think you have a very good point Joe. To summarize: " Lack of oxygen to the

cell causes cancer -- only a theory. The true cause may be conditions such as

stress or chemical exposure. Once you have one of these conditions, the cell is

oxygen deprived, then you have cancer. Therefore, the cause is not the food we

eat (relative to fatty acids anyway) but the toxins of some type, or stress, or

gene damage, etc. " ............