Re: Vitamin D for Cancer

[Guest guest]

Hi Kim,

Whoever gave you this information is extremely ill informed. I take 10 000 iu

a day, and have my D levels tested every 3 months. My last result was 92, and

my doctor is happy with that. Vitamin D3 is one of the best supplements your

mom can take. Don't let her stop. I would want my result to be higher if it

was only 51.

Hope this helps. It is absolute nonsense that she can stop taking because she

has enough in her system to last her a lifetime. That would be like telling

someone to stop eating because they have had enough food to last them a

lifetime. (I know I am exaggerating, but we need continual supplies of vitamin

D).

Fern

[ ] Vitamin D for Cancer

Hi Everyone,

My mom is taking Vitamin D as part of a larger protocol for colon cancer. She

is taking about 7000 IUs a day and that amount had her up to a 51 on her blood

test for D. Before supplementation she was at 25.

Two people she has spoken with recently have told her negative things about D

supplementation and I would like to clarify:

- Can Vitamin D taken at this level cause a heart attack?

- Can it cause kidney stones?

- Because her number is a 51, does that mean she will never need to take it

again? They are saying she now has enough in her body to last a lifetime.

I have read and heard great things about Vit. D in fighting cancer and would

like to keep this in her regimen. She is nervous now, though, and I feel like I

need some ammo to come back with. Are any of the above things true?

Thanks for your help,

Kim

[Guest guest]

Hi Kim:

The level needed for fighting cancer is near 100. My wife takes 16,000 units per

day. The trick is to take it with K2. K2 acts like a traffic cop and directs the

calcium to where it needs to go. The body can store vitamin D for about two

weeks. On a sunny day the body can produce about 20,000 units in about 30 -45

minutes with exposed skin. Soap and water will wash the vitamin D off. The

vitamin D needs 48 hours to be absorbed into the skin. Some people will need

even more vitamin D to reach a level near 100 to fight cancer, 20,000 units per

day is not unusual. Testing is the only way to know for sure, and the

testing method used by lab corp was the method that was used for initial

testing. About 150 mcg of K2 per day.

 Any vitamin D level below 30 is in the danger zone. Many people who have their

vitamin D level tested after being diagnosed with cancer have found their

vitamin D levels very low.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/08/26/this-could-be-even\

-bigger-than-the-vitamin-d-discovery.aspx

Levels needed and proper testing methods.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2002/02/23/vitamin-d-deficien\

cy-part-one.aspx

Vic

________________________________

From: kallison23

Sent: Mon, April 11, 2011

 

Hi Everyone,

My mom is taking Vitamin D as part of a larger protocol for colon cancer. She is

taking about 7000 IUs a day and that amount had her up to a 51 on her blood test

for D. Before supplementation she was at 25.

Two people she has spoken with recently have told her negative things about D

supplementation and I would like to clarify:

- Can Vitamin D taken at this level cause a heart attack?

- Can it cause kidney stones?

- Because her number is a 51, does that mean she will never need to take it

again? They are saying she now has enough in her body to last a lifetime.

I have read and heard great things about Vit. D in fighting cancer and would

like to keep this in her regimen. She is nervous now, though, and I feel like I

need some ammo to come back with. Are any of the above things true?

Thanks for your help,

Kim

[Guest guest]

Victor, you always answer questions so well, and include all the relevant

points. I take K2 from a Natto source, I will let you know if it improves my

next CT scan of my bones. I was on the macrobiotic diet for a year, which I

really enjoyed (but it was a lot of work), however, one of the macrobiotic

practices is to scrub your skin 2 x a day. This prevents vitamin D from being

absorbed. If it were not for this practice, I don't think either of the Kushi's

would have ended up with cancer. Just my 2c.

Fern

From: Victor Swiercz

Sent: Monday, April 11, 2011

Hi Kim:

The level needed for fighting cancer is near 100. My wife takes 16,000 units

per

day. The trick is to take it with K2. K2 acts like a traffic cop and directs

the

calcium to where it needs to go. The body can store vitamin D�for about two

weeks. On a sunny day the body can produce about 20,000 units in about 30 -45

minutes with exposed skin. Soap and water will wash the vitamin D off. The

vitamin D needs 48 hours to be absorbed into the skin. Some people will need

even more vitamin D to reach a level near 100 to fight cancer, 20,000 units

per

day�is not unusual. Testing is the only way to know for sure, and the

testing�method used by lab corp�was the method that was used for initial

testing.�About 150 mcg of K2 per day.

�Any vitamin D level�below 30 is in the danger zone. Many people who have

their

vitamin D�level tested after being diagnosed with cancer have found their

vitamin D levels very low.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/08/26/this-could-be-even\

-bigger-than-the-vitamin-d-discovery.aspx

Levels needed and proper testing methods.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2002/02/23/vitamin-d-deficien\

cy-part-one.aspx

Vic

[Guest guest]

Greetings,

Please exactly what is K2?

Does rinsing off with water remove vitamin D from the skin? No soap,

just a water rinse.

Bright Blessings,

Garth & Kim

www.TheRoseColoredForest.com

[Guest guest]

Hi Fern:

It is important to note calcium is not enough and magnesium and silica are also

needed for good bones. Bone density does not mean bone strength. I take human

grade Diatomaceous Earth (DE) for silica. The DE also kills parasites and

removes mucus and yeast from the intestines. My wife tested low on mag and her

alt doctor recommended a mag supp with calcium. More mag than calcium.  

Dr. Mercola has a map which shows where cancer skyrockets. It is north of 20

degrees latitude where the sun does not produce vitamin D on the skin during the

winter. 

Vic

________________________________

[Guest guest]

Plain water does not remove the vitamin D from the skin. Many people will wash

the private areas with soap and the rest of the body with plain water after sun

exposure. It takes at least 48 hours for the vitamin D produced on the skin to

be absorbed in to the body. K2 is a vitamin not often found in foods. Vitamin

K1

does not last long in the body and is not absorbed very well but is found in

certain foods. K2 is excellent for cancer and bones.

http://www.algaecal.com/vitamin-k2.html

Vic.

________________________________

From: Garth & Kim <gartht@...>

Sent: Tue, April 12, 2011 6:18:10 AM

Subject: Re: [ ] Vitamin D for Cancer

 

Greetings,

Please exactly what is K2?

Does rinsing off with water remove vitamin D from the skin? No soap,

just a water rinse.

Bright Blessings,

Garth & Kim

www.TheRoseColoredForest.com

[Guest guest]

It is important to get a moderate amount of sunshine each day. With respect to

vitamin D, it is good to turn your head up to the sun and absorb sunshine

through your forehead and face. If you are in a location that does not get alot

of sunshine, consider putting LED light bulbs in your home (these emit full

spectrum white light and are solid state and do not contain mercury like CFL

light bulbs). Alternatively, consider going to sun-tan places. Sun-tan machines

emit full spectrum white light. Of course, take vitamin D too in significant

doses.

________________________________

From: Victor Swiercz <roadmst1@...>

Sent: Tue, April 12, 2011

Hi Fern:

It is important to note calcium is not enough and magnesium and silica are also

needed for good bones. Bone density does not mean bone strength. I take human

grade Diatomaceous Earth (DE) for silica. The DE also kills parasites and

removes mucus and yeast from the intestines. My wife tested low on mag and her

alt doctor recommended a mag supp with calcium. More mag than calcium.  

Dr. Mercola has a map which shows where cancer skyrockets. It is north of 20

degrees latitude where the sun does not produce vitamin D on the skin during the

winter. 

Vic

[Guest guest]

Greetings,

I am finding the article confusing. It states that 80% of the vitamin K

in the western diet is K1, but then says that the only diet source for

K2 is natto. What is the other 20% I wonder, since I am sure natto does

not make up 20% of the western diet. Are their any other sources of

vitamin K2 that could be in the diet other than soy?

Bright Blessings,

Garth & Kim

On 4/12/2011 9:26 AM, Victor Swiercz wrote:

> Plain water does not remove the vitamin D from the skin. Many people

> will wash

> the private areas with soap and the rest of the body with plain water

> after sun

> exposure. It takes at least 48 hours for the vitamin D produced on the

> skin to

> be absorbed in to the body. K2 is a vitamin not often found in foods.

> Vitamin K1

> does not last long in the body and is not absorbed very well but is

> found in

> certain foods. K2 is excellent for cancer and bones.

>

> http://www.algaecal.com/vitamin-k2.html

>

> Vic.

>

[Guest guest]

Hawaiian spirulina pacific has both k1 and k2

Greetings,

I am finding the article confusing. It states that 80% of the vitamin K

in the western diet is K1, but then says that the only diet source for

K2 is natto. What is the other 20% I wonder, since I am sure natto does

not make up 20% of the western diet. Are their any other sources of

vitamin K2 that could be in the diet other than soy?

[Guest guest]

" kallison23 " <kallison23@...> wrote:

>mom is taking Vitamin D...7000 IUs a day

I would probably take at least 10,000 if I had cancer (along w/vit. K2,

particularly if my vit. D level was only

>51 on her blood test for D.

> - Can Vitamin D taken at this level cause a heart attack?

I've never heard that and don't believe that. On the contrary, it prevents heart

attacks:

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/09/15/The-Simple-Inexpen\

sive-Way-to-Radically-Reduce-Your-Risk-of-Heart-Disease.aspx

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/01/27/new-study-shows-la\

ck-of-this-vitamin-linked-to-strokes.aspx

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/11/101114161929.htm

> - Can it cause kidney stones?

I don't think so, and vit. K2 prevents them

www.westonaprice.org/abcs-of-nutrition/175-x-factor-is-vitamin-k2.html

> - Because her number is a 51, does that mean she will never need to take it

again?

No it doesn't mean that.

>They are saying she now has enough in her body to last a lifetime.

totally untrue.

60-80 is optimal blood level of vit. D in cancer patients, according to top

cancer nutritionist Jeanne Wallace, 2011

" At the Vitamin D conference, most of the doctors recommended...around 85 "

(4/4/11)

I would take at least 10,000, along w/vit. K2

Leonard

[Guest guest]

Only the D3 form should be taken in high doses. My own holistic practicioner

advised me to up my intake from 8,000 to 10,000/day.

[Guest guest]

Greetings,

Thank you, I am already taking that. Perhaps I will take a little more.

Bright Blessings,

Garth & Kim

[Guest guest]

Mike:

I replaced all my light bulbs with full spectrum light bulbs from Dr. Mercola.

There are two types of sun tan machines, one electrical and the other magnetic.

The magnetic one is the one to avoid and any that make noise. I would like to

get my own machine one day.

Vic

________________________________

From: mike goldberg

Sent: Tue, April 12, 2011

 

It is important to get a moderate amount of sunshine each day. With respect to

vitamin D, it is good to turn your head up to the sun and absorb sunshine

through your forehead and face. If you are in a location that does not get alot

of sunshine, consider putting LED light bulbs in your home (these emit full

spectrum white light and are solid state and do not contain mercury like CFL

light bulbs). Alternatively, consider going to sun-tan places. Sun-tan machines

emit full spectrum white light. Of course, take vitamin D too in significant

doses.

[Guest guest]

Garth:

Some K is manufactured in healthy intestines with a good gut flora. However this

is not enough and the wrong kind. K2 is not found in most foods consumed by the

Standard American diet. Natto or supps are the only source. Soy should be

avoided due to the hormone content.

" When you eat vitamin K1 in your food, only 5-10% of ingested K1 is absorbed and

reaches your blood, but almost 100% of K2 is absorbed into your blood stream

where it can be distributed for beneficial use in tissues including bones and

arteries. Vitamin K2 also lasts for several days in your bloodstream compared to

K1 which mostly disappears in a few hours. "

" Foods that include reasonable amounts of vitamin K1 include leafy vegetables,

olive oil, cheese, liver, soy beans, brussel sprouts, broccoli, cauliflower,

coffee, and green tea. More than 80% of the Vitamin K in western diets consists

of vitamin K1. The more beneficial form, K2, is difficult to find in your diet

with the exception of the Japanese traditional food, Natto1 "

Vic

________________________________

From: Garth & Kim <gartht@...>

Sent: Tue, April 12, 2011

 

Greetings,

I am finding the article confusing. It states that 80% of the vitamin K

in the western diet is K1, but then says that the only diet source for

K2 is natto. What is the other 20% I wonder, since I am sure natto does

not make up 20% of the western diet. Are their any other sources of

vitamin K2 that could be in the diet other than soy?

Bright Blessings,

Garth & Kim

On 4/12/2011 9:26 AM, Victor Swiercz wrote:

> Plain water does not remove the vitamin D from the skin. Many people

> will wash

> the private areas with soap and the rest of the body with plain water

> after sun

> exposure. It takes at least 48 hours for the vitamin D produced on the

> skin to

> be absorbed in to the body. K2 is a vitamin not often found in foods.

> Vitamin K1

> does not last long in the body and is not absorbed very well but is

> found in

> certain foods. K2 is excellent for cancer and bones.

>

> http://www.algaecal.com/vitamin-k2.html

>

> Vic.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi all

Do you know anything about why some can not tolerate vitamin D. It gives me

hyperactivity and insomnia even at low doses and I don't know why this occurs.My

25 OH D3 is 13 and I need it. But can not supplement it due to above reason.

Best wishes

Nil

[Guest guest]

It is important to know that the right testing method was used. Some testing

methods can be off by as much as 40% so the test value of 51 can really be 31,

barely above the danger zone.

Vic

[Guest guest]

" nil " <cindiwonderer@...> wrote:

>some can not tolerate vitamin D

Have you tried cod liver oil?

For more info on vits. K1, K2, and K3:

www.westonaprice.org/abcs-of-nutrition/175-x-factor-is-vitamin-k2.html

www.lef.org/magazine/mag2009/jan2009_Vitamin-K-Protection-Against-Arterial-Calci\

fication-Bone-Loss-Cancer-Aging_01.htm

LEF.org Nov. 2010 (excellent research review)

Leonard

[Guest guest]

Nil:

Try the spray, it is absorbed through the mouth, maybe this will help. My wife

takes both, D3 and D3 spray. Each spray is 1,000 units, we use the dr mercola

brand and I had to drill a tiny hole in the sprayer as it clogs up.

Vic

________________________________

From: nil <cindiwonderer@...>

Sent: Tue, April 12, 2011

 

Hi all

Do you know anything about why some can not tolerate vitamin D. It gives me

hyperactivity and insomnia even at low doses and I don't know why this occurs.

My 25 OH D3 is 13 and I need it. But can not supplement it due to above reason.

Best wishes

Nil

[Guest guest]

Kidney stones - GrassRootsHealth just published something explaining that

Vitamin D does NOT cause kidney stones... read here:

http://www.grassrootshealth.net/blog/kidney-stones-not-caused-by-vitamin-d/118

[Guest guest]

Yes, I can tolerate it at a low dose(teaspoonful per day).I could not dare to

try it at high dose but I think I should try it. Thanks for insight Leonard.

Nil

[Guest guest]

Thanks. May be I should also try d2. Never tried it.Why would you think

absorption through mouth is better? Do you think problem could be due to

digestive problems?

thanks

nil

[Guest guest]

I can't thank you enough for all of the informative responses- they are exactly

what I needed. I am so glad, too, that the Vit. K issue came up, because I had

a lot of questions about that as well.

Thanks again for all of the support. This site and all the people on it are a

true blessing.

Kim

>

> Kidney stones - GrassRootsHealth just published something explaining that

Vitamin D does NOT cause kidney stones... read here:

>

> http://www.grassrootshealth.net/blog/kidney-stones-not-caused-by-vitamin-d/118

>

[Guest guest]

Nil

You may have leaky gut if you have many allergies. You would need to heal this

and get your gut flora in order. If you have taken antibiotics and did not

replace the good bacteria killed by the antibiotics, your gut flora is damaged.

This can never correct itself with out treatment. It takes one year to undo

antibiotic damage with a good diet and probiotics. If the antibiotic damage has

progressed to leaky gut then food and bad bacteria escapes the intestine

and will cause many allergies and a autoimmune disease. This could be the cause

your reaction to the vitamin D entering your digestive system. The vitamin d3

spray bypasses the digestive system as most of it is absorbed through the

mouth. safe tanning machine or exposure to direct sun light is another

alternative. I am not sure D2 works very well, it is synthetic which is not

recognized too well by the body.

The gut flora works something like this. Healthy intestines should have 85% good

bacteria, this keeps the fungus/yeast and parasites in check along with the

correct body pH. Antibiotic do not know the difference between good or bad

bacteria and will kill all, leaving the yeast/ fungus. The yeast fungus grows

back first at a much faster rate then good bacteria leaving the intestine with

about 80% bad bacteria/fungus/yeast. The yeast grows root which makes holes in

the intestine where food and bad bacteria escapes in to the body. This is called

leaky gut. The yeast/ fungus/bad bacteria signals the brain it needs to be fed

sugar and carbs, thus the cravings. It is thought cancer is a form

of yeast/fungus. It is always better to seek natural antibiotic if

possible, like colloidal silver, olive leaf extract, golden seal, etc. A natural

antibiotic will not kill the good bacteria. Many types of parasites make a

yeast or fungus in the intestine. In addition the body will produce yeast as a

protection from mercury. Mercury comes from vaccines and mercury tooth fillings.

There is no getting rid of yeast without getting rid of the mercury through

detoxing. Detoxing through sweating, and taking chlorella are effective. Of

course the source has to be eliminated too. There are other detoxing methods as

well.

Vic

[Guest guest]

Greetings,

So, a great source of vitamin K2 is good butter. Make sure the pasture

has lots of calcium and make the butter from raw milk. Do not feed the

cow any grain, by the looks of things. Gee, I wonder why I felt a lot

worse when I cut the dairy from my diet?

Many thanks for this article, I will make sure I put some of my summer

butter in the fridge for winter. This I have not been doing, so for

about a quarter the year I am not getting the vitamin K2 that I need.

Once again a 100% grass fed cow comes to the rescue.

Bright Blessings,

Garth & Kim

On 4/12/2011 8:44 PM, Leonard wrote:

> " nil " <cindiwonderer@...> wrote:

> >some can not tolerate vitamin D

>

> Have you tried cod liver oil?

>

> For more info on vits. K1, K2, and K3:

> www.westonaprice.org/abcs-of-nutrition/175-x-factor-is-vitamin-k2.html

>

www.lef.org/magazine/mag2009/jan2009_Vitamin-K-Protection-Against-Arterial-Calci\

fication-Bone-Loss-Cancer-Aging_01.htm

> LEF.org Nov. 2010 (excellent research review)

>

> Leonard

[Guest guest]

Thank you so much Vic. This was very helpful.Yes I have leaky gut and I don't

think I managed to heal it. Also have mercury toxicity and Candida.I think I

will try injection form of vit d at a small dose.

Wish you the best.

Nil

From: Victor Swiercz

Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011

Nil

You may have leaky gut if you have many allergies. You would need to heal this

and get your gut flora in order.If you have taken antibiotics and did not

replace the good bacteria killed by the antibiotics, your gut flora is

damaged.

This can never correct itself with out treatment.It takes one year to undo

antibiotic damage with a good diet and probiotics. If the antibiotic damage

has

progressed to leaky.