Re: Integrated out of necessity- does anyone know...

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Hi Jane,..(dr Kumar : Will be necessary Your knowledge and opinion )

In fact, is so as you wrote:

I can't seem to find much info on what can and cannot be taken with Chemo.

Here result my researches(seek):

a) Activities synergy to cisplatiino - derivatives( also Carboplatin )

- Juice from cranberry. To drink: 300 ml 1 day before chemo, 500 ml in day

chemo,

500 ml 1 day after chemo, 300 ml 2 days after chemo.

- Oil from Oenothera Biennis (GLA): 3x1ml 1 day before chemo, 3x1.5 ml in

day chemo,

3x1ml 5-7 day after chemo

Immunocall,ImuPlus - Enlarge level Glutathione.

Opinions of research workers are different:

one write, that this {then} helps in chemo, oncologists, that hinders.

Doctor Kumar, here I ask for Your opinions.

I used happily, At wives with cancer ovary.

c) UKRAIN. Expensive treatment, but usually efficient. Uuses before and

after chemo.

We, additionally we used 5-6 ampoules UKRAIN, for NADIR( WBC, PLT),

and 7-10 days before next chemo(Usually 14-16 day after every chemo).

Here UKRAIN stimulates WBC( height 25-30 %), RBC( height reticulocyt %,

even several onces)

c) Elimination side effects chemo: Ginger, Immunocall, ImuPlus, Dry

Whey, AWEMAR

d) Activation NK,T and B : BioBran,AHCC, UKRAIN, IP-6 & Inositol ,

AVEMAR

e) Germanium,Cucumin,Resveratrol, Quercitin, Powder from raspberry

bushes

Jane, former chemistry effective, organism has to to have oxygen in cells

( especially after third chemistry, or if patient is anaemic).

Because reasonable is to use : Germanium, Chlorophyll,Oxygen.

Chemo lowers level glutathione. After chemistry( after 7-10 days)

resoluteness build level glutathione.

Classical chemistry delivers ocean free radical. Use antioxidants. One

should {belongs} it {them} remove( 7-10 days after chemo)

Chemo kills useful bacteriums in intestines(Lactobacillus Rhamnosus). Use

15-20 ampoules( 2 mld ) after every chemistry.

Dear Jane - weapons oneself. You must act very quickly.

I ask, use 10-20 of ampoules UKRAIN. I will notice profitable accounts,

continue therapy.

http://www.ukrain.ua/Ref/ref.html

http://www.ukrin.com/

UKRAINES efficiently limits height tumors..

My wife used 140 ampoules of UKRAIN. By {through} 2 years, in cancer ovary,

doctors do not see

tumors, nor in CT, nor in USG. Wife does not suffer physically on account

cancer.

Activity cancer shows only marker-CA125- to is for patient comfortable

situation.

You must live !!!

Hugs.Jan.

_____

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Cancertutor.com says Budwig diet is the #1 alternative treatment for tatge 4 and

stage 3 cancers..and its easy enough to do thers a group

...flaxoil@... detoxing is VIP, especially the liver (organ of

'living' !!), and the lymph system, as it carries out toxins there ar eherbs

ofr tha, plus using a rebounder, which i got cheap at Sports Authority, about

$48..bouncing a fw minutes a day helps the lymph system get moving.. ..all these

are easy to do.

Also building up the immune system,,if you go to cancertutor.com ,or others like

him, there's a lot o finfo on the cures with the best success rates, the expense

involved, etc.. Also getting alkaline...I use coral calcium, and Cellfood, plus

hydrogen peroxide

Re Vit C : Dr Rath, who worked with Linus ing, has a reasonably priced

protocol... His research showed him that the cancer cells metastasize by

secreting an enzyme that eats away at the collagen (connective tisue..the

LARGEST system in the body)....thats the ONLY way they can escape into the

bloodstream..like whacking your way through the plants in a jungle, so you can

keep moving ...But he found Proline and Lysine BLOCK this enzyme, so it can't do

its job!!..So you got to get those in your body , PLUS the Vit C which builds

and strengthens the collagen..You can look his company up on the internet and

many health food satores carry his products plus free CDS and booklets about

this..And they have reps you can call..they used to give lectures at health food

stores..His is the best kind of C..i trust him because they only do this (they

are not a vitamin compnay),and the ONLY advertsing is these lectures at health

food storss.

If you look up Bill 's website re " cancerfree " , there is a chapter than

you can read free, and he states the top cures as

Budwig.

Dr Raths s Vit C protocol

Greens

There's also specific of your kind of ca.

Hulda 's anti parasite herbs are easy to do..also i wil do fungal

cleanse..since that may be a cause of cancer.. watson and others have

products that address parasites, fungus , AND heavy metal/mercury toxicity..al

these can be found at health food stores, even Vitamin Shoppe where they are at

a discount

Also to build up the immune system, I use :

Peakimmune..shwon to boost natural killer cell activity by 3-5 times..to kill

the cancer cells

Nutranomics Amazon protocl..has Graviola nd other gery strong herbs thathave

been rpoven to kill advanced cancers

Also, the top supplemets re cancer are suppsoed to be:

Beta carotene 750,000 IU a day

Selenium 200mcg-400mcg a day

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I'd like to know more abou this..from Dr Kumar and others:

they took out 3 tumors from my bladder, TURP surgery, and one was " aggressive "

and usually comes usually comes back,said the URO, , and if it does, we'll

have to remove the whole bladder.From what he said, plus reading his report, it

implied that he HAD taken it all out.. His report said " all tisues were removed

to be sent to pathology...the base wall was fulgurated (?). and the base wall

was grossly clean...: " He said come back in 3 months for another cyto exam,

unles it starts bleeding again.

They had done Xrays, EKGs blood ,urine, tests, etc, including a cat scanof the

entire abdominal area from the stomach on down, including the blood vessels

(they shot iodine into my veins) and nothing re cancer showed up anywhere

else...just " a large gallstone or polyp on the gallbaldeder'..

Also the biopsy said " this was a transitional ca, high grade 3-4/4..it hd

invaded the lamina propria..there was no musclurais priopria tissue identified

for evaluation: "

So that sounded good, in that IF the URO had taken it all out, and muscle tissue

was taken, at lesat ithd nOT invaded muscle (which is more seious)

So i asked him " shoudn't I do something for prevention..maybe see an

oncologist? " He said Ok, and rfereed me to an ONCO at county hopsital ( I odnt

have insurance,so this a county health program)

in the interim I did a lot of resaech..at auanet.org ( utology assn) website it

said this T1 ca was still " superficial " ,a nd the preffered treatment was TUTP

PLUS BCG thru a catheter. Other URO sites said it was the best and least

expensive and minimally invasive tech. some say 80$ success rate ..better than

whole body chemo, which is 50% or LESS..Also I hea of a drug called EOQUIN that

be put in a catheter

Also pubmed.org which does a lot of research says that cyto exam is 95% accureat

re detecting bladder tumors, plus a blood test called NMP22 ( I believe) is 85%

accurate AND if combined with a cytology urine test its 91% sensitive

Also i reda about other minimally invasive thing s like Retinoid to boost the

immune system plus UKRAIN, but supposedly its not available in the US

So ihave all these positive ideas plus the monitoring tests in mind..then the

ONCO shot it all down !!I odnt thinkprofit was her motive, since she is just an

emploee at this county hospital, but she semed raher youn for an ONCo ) maybe

early thirties),and maybe over zealous. Also she had not talked with the URO

yet, just read the reports... Also she said " Dr C sent yoy to me because you

have bladder ca.. " she did not knwo that it was I who had asked to se an ONCo to

see what i ocul do re prevention!!

She asid " bladder is BAD, its sneaky...some cells may have already

escaped....we'll have to do 6 sssions of chemo (Cisplatin and Gemcitibine??..One

week 6 hours next week 2 houirs, then rest for a week, then repeat the cycle 2

more times ..also you may need radiation, and we'll still ahve to remove the

bladder.

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From: STUDIO EEG-BIOFEEDBACK_POLAND

Hi Jane,..(dr Kumar : Will be necessary Your knowledge and opinion )

In fact, is so as you wrote:

I can't seem to find much info on what can and cannot be taken with Chemo.

Here result my researches(seek):

a) Activities synergy to cisplatiino - derivatives( also Carboplatin )

- Juice from cranberry. To drink: 300 ml 1 day before chemo, 500 ml in day

chemo,

500 ml 1 day after chemo, 300 ml 2 days after chemo.

- Oil from Oenothera Biennis (GLA): 3x1ml 1 day before chemo, 3x1.5 ml in day

chemo,

3x1ml 5-7 day after chemo

Immunocall,ImuPlus - Enlarge level Glutathione.

Opinions of research workers are different:

one write, that this {then} helps in chemo, oncologists, that

hinders...........<snip>

[Guest guest]

I just sent an email re bladder cancer..i was about to tell what the ONCO said,

but I could not finish it..so here is the rest :

I said " I though the URO took the whole tumor out, so nothing escaped " she said

" they cant ..they have this tiny wire , and go in and just take some out ofr

biopsy! This contradicted wht the uRO aid , PLUS he would ahve tol dme " we only

took out some of it for the biops y!! I asked her to tak to him, and then get

back to me!

Plus she aid BCG and the other therapies were proven in effective..i aksed about

UKRAIN she never heard of it ! Plus she said there are NO accurate test to

monitor bladder ca !!

I'd like Dr Kumar's and others opinion on all this.

I am thinkng of just doing the BCG I guess UROs do this, not the ONCO

2) If I just do the chemo, is that a minimal amunt .. 6 sessions..I talked to

osmeone who had 20 , plus the radiation and removal !!

3) What side effects should i expect re Cispaltin and Gemcitibe ??

4)Are there any " markers for bladder cancer to se if they've " escaped ?

5) I just got a letter rom the ONCO to have soem bl;ood tests done:

XCBCD,CMP,LDH, MG..are these markers or just general tests,a nd whats their

purpose?

6) She agreed that it as good that the the cat scan showed no other cas, in the

lymph nodes, etc but still..

7) The allexperts patholgist said that this was a T1 ca, plus the fact that I

had no wollen lymph nodes indicated no muscle invasion..whats your take?

8) Any suggestions re Ukrain , or other things would be welcom..i am doing

Budwig, and secveral others .anything for blader ca,specifically?

Thanks

RE: [ ] Integrated out of necessity- does anyone know...

Hi Jane,..(dr Kumar : Will be necessary Your knowledge and opinion )

In fact, is so as you wrote:

I can't seem to find much info on what can and cannot be taken with Chemo.

Here result my researches(seek):

a) Activities synergy to cisplatiino - derivatives( also Carboplatin )

- Juice from cranberry. To drink: 300 ml 1 day before chemo, 500 ml in day

chemo,

500 ml 1 day after chemo, 300 ml 2 days after chemo.

- Oil from Oenothera Biennis (GLA): 3x1ml 1 day before chemo, 3x1.5 ml in

day chemo,

3x1ml 5-7 day after chemo

Immunocall,ImuPlus - Enlarge level Glutathione.

Opinions of research workers are different:

one write, that this {then} helps in chemo, oncologists, that hinders.

Doctor Kumar, here I ask for Your opinions.

I used happily, At wives with cancer ovary.

c) UKRAIN. Expensive treatment, but usually efficient. Uuses before and

after chemo.

We, additionally we used 5-6 ampoules UKRAIN, for NADIR( WBC, PLT),

and 7-10 days before next chemo(Usually 14-16 day after every chemo).

Here UKRAIN stimulates WBC( height 25-30 %), RBC( height reticulocyt %,

even several onces)

c) Elimination side effects chemo: Ginger, Immunocall, ImuPlus, Dry

Whey, AWEMAR

d) Activation NK,T and B : BioBran,AHCC, UKRAIN, IP-6 & Inositol ,

AVEMAR

e) Germanium,Cucumin,Resveratrol, Quercitin, Powder from raspberry

bushes

Jane, former chemistry effective, organism has to to have oxygen in cells

( especially after third chemistry, or if patient is anaemic).

Because reasonable is to use : Germanium, Chlorophyll,Oxygen.

Chemo lowers level glutathione. After chemistry( after 7-10 days)

resoluteness build level glutathione.

Classical chemistry delivers ocean free radical. Use antioxidants. One

should {belongs} it {them} remove( 7-10 days after chemo)

Chemo kills useful bacteriums in intestines(Lactobacillus Rhamnosus). Use

15-20 ampoules( 2 mld ) after every chemistry.

Dear Jane - weapons oneself. You must act very quickly.

I ask, use 10-20 of ampoules UKRAIN. I will notice profitable accounts,

continue therapy.

http://www.ukrain.ua/Ref/ref.html

http://www.ukrin.com/

UKRAINES efficiently limits height tumors..

My wife used 140 ampoules of UKRAIN. By {through} 2 years, in cancer ovary,

doctors do not see

tumors, nor in CT, nor in USG. Wife does not suffer physically on account

cancer.

Activity cancer shows only marker-CA125- to is for patient comfortable

situation.

You must live !!!

Hugs.Jan.

_____

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re my previous bladder cancer emails...

I read on a bl ca website that one cause maybe a parasite, but it only found in

N. Africa..the other factors : genetics ( not applicable to me) smoking (I quit

20 years ago), chemicals ( I used to piant houses, but quit 30 yaers ago) don't

seem to fit , according to the ONCO.

But I was born in N Africa and lived there until I was 13..is it posible?

Anyway I thought it would not hurt to do a parasite cleanse (Hula (..some

of the parasite symptoms seem to fit..i have had a rash on my right knee that

never goes away..but once when I was no antibiotics, it seemed to go away.

itching, lack of energy... Any thoughts on that..i am doing Renew

Life which has , among other things the black walnut, wormwood and clove that

says gets rid of all parasites.

Dr Simoncini from Italy says " cancer is a fungus " and uses baking

soda...supposedly there are self catheters you can use and fill w baking

soda..he wil be at the L.A> Cancer convention, so I will ask him about that.

Also i keep hearing that Aloe Vera is good for all cancers (Donsbacj and

others), and bladder Ca too..D-mannatose si the ingredient an some Urinary Tracr

herbal combos include it and seemto claim it helps :urinary tract immunity "

Ever heard of this?

The guy who runs the vitamin dept at a halth food store said a client had

mentioned drinkiong baking soda as a cure for fungus, so it must be getting

around

Also there is the hudrogen peroxide treatment ..i drink it..

AND the oxygenation one ( I take cell food)

Then there the using ozonated water theory !!

Any idesa on all these treatemnts as to success rates ?

thanks

From: STUDIO EEG-BIOFEEDBACK_POLAND

Hi Jane,..(dr Kumar : Will be necessary Your knowledge and opinion )

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Write to me: soliserw @ wp.pl

I will give you all papers on theme UKRAIN.

I used 140 of ampoules.

Best.Jan

[Websites with information on Ukrain]

http://proukrain.com/cancer.html

http://www.imicalgary.com/sub/therapy_ukrain.html

[Guest guest]

Jane- You might want to look into LDN. Here's some links for LDN-

LDN_4_cancer/

LDN_4_cancer/links

http://www.ldn4cancer.com/

http://www.low dose naltrexone.org/

http://www.low dose naltrexone.org/ldn_and_cancer.htm

http://www.susiemaui.com/low_dose_naltrexone.htm

http://www.gazorpa.com

http://www.marybradleybooks.com/LDN%20Book.htm

http://www.webspawner.com/users/ldnforcancer/index.html

Dee, moderator of the first group, was stage 4 lung and given 6 months

but has made it 18 months and feels great, LDN boosts the immune system

and causes release of endorphins.

emails from the group about LDN and chemo-

From: deealejo@.......

Subject: [LDN_4_cancer] LDN and chemo

Date: November 21, 2007 5:29:18 AM PST

LDN_4_cancer

Reply- LDN_4_cancer

Dr. Bihari said explicitely that chemotherapy treatment can be used

with LDN. Chemotherapy destroys your immune system and LDN will

lessen the damage.

We who have had chemotherapy and those who have use LDN with

chemotherapy on this board know the benefits that LDN has provided with

the healing and restoring of our immune systems back to normal.

Jerry's wife just finished a grueling session with Chemotherapy and

supported the treatment with LDN. Her recovery is felt due to the

fact that LDN was used with the chemotherapy.

I was told to take LDN with chemotherapy if I elected to take it.

Dee

www.ldn4cancer.com

======================================

LarryGC <larrygc@...> wrote:

<low dose naltrexone >

From: " LarryGC " <larrygc@...>

Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 08:16:06 -0400

Subject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] Re: fwiw: My Dad's last CT scan! Docs

are still stumped

I know I mentioned it a few times in the last year.  The doc

prescribing the LDN said LDN would do fine with the chemo they were

doing on my Dad, and apparently she was right.

 

From my perspective, you can take LDN with anything...  it just may not

work as well as it may if you took it Alone.

 

At 83 1/2, my dad was not going to forego the chemo, but we convinced

him to do the LDN also.

 

Given he was on LDN for 6 months with chemo, and his tumors shrunk in

half, and then 6 more months of JUST LDN, and his tumors are STILL

shrinking more, I'd say he may have done better on JUST LDN... but who

can say that?

 

The oncologists said they NEVER saw these results on just their chemo. 

They were surprised back in Sept, and even more so now, 6 months Off

the chemo.

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On Aug 13, 2008, at 8:00 PM, jspttdbrd wrote:

> When I first found out about my cancer I started alternatives; Hulda

> , Vit C, recently Essiac Tea and lots more. Out of necessity, I

> started Chemo this week to shrink the largest neck node before it

> affects my breathing, AND to give the alternatives time to work. I

> would like to take my alternatives with the Chemo.

>

> I can't seem to find much info on what can and cannot be taken with

> Chemo. I'm seeking any info on any sites or names of anyone or anything

> that can lead to my gathering info to make a decision with. My

> treatment is Carboplatin(Carboplarin?) and Taxol.

>

> I'm 48, and a single parent to a special need 12 yr old. Oncologist

> says it's stage 4, and made sure that I knew that the chemo is

> palliative, not curative. It's a shame that our conventional medicine

> is so limiting and blind. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

> Thank you,

> Jane

>

[Guest guest]

We started my dad on LDN alone without any surgery or chemo because he

is 93 years old. His cancer is Merkel Cell Carcinoma which is very

aggressive. His tumor was very large on his face. After only 8 weeks

on LDN and only two weeks with the high dose of 4.5 mg his tumor has

shrunk down to nothing. He was a stage 4 and in only 8 weeks it is

gone. We were shocked to see it shrink so fast. I believe LDN was

working even when he was on the lower doses of 1.5 mg for the first

three weeks. LDN is amazing.

[Guest guest]

I am so happy to hear this.

Thank you for letting us know he is doing well.

ar

On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 03:18:36 -0400, " Louise Hill " <loubob@...>

said:

> We started my dad on LDN alone without any surgery or chemo because he

> is 93 years old. His cancer is Merkel Cell Carcinoma which is very

> aggressive. His tumor was very large on his face. After only 8 weeks

> on LDN and only two weeks with the high dose of 4.5 mg his tumor has

> shrunk down to nothing. He was a stage 4 and in only 8 weeks it is

> gone. We were shocked to see it shrink so fast. I believe LDN was

> working even when he was on the lower doses of 1.5 mg for the first

> three weeks. LDN is amazing.

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

I would encourage you to look also at investigational therapies for

your specific type of cancer. You can search here:

http://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/search

You might look for targeted therapies and immunotherapies by adding

those keywords to your type of cancer in the search box.

Karl

www.lymphomation.org

>

> When I first found out about my cancer I started alternatives;

Hulda

> , Vit C, recently Essiac Tea and lots more. Out of necessity,

I

> started Chemo this week to shrink the largest neck node before it

> affects my breathing, AND to give the alternatives time to work. I

> would like to take my alternatives with the Chemo.

>

> I can't seem to find much info on what can and cannot be taken with

> Chemo. I'm seeking any info on any sites or names of anyone or

anything

> that can lead to my gathering info to make a decision with. My

> treatment is Carboplatin(Carboplarin?) and Taxol.

>

> I'm 48, and a single parent to a special need 12 yr old. Oncologist

> says it's stage 4, and made sure that I knew that the chemo is

> palliative, not curative. It's a shame that our conventional

medicine

> is so limiting and blind. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

> Thank you,

> Jane

>