Guest guest Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 The word Fasting covers a lot of territory. I use it only in the sense of Water Only fasting while others use it when “Juice Fasting†and I suppose it is used simply when one is restricting some form of intake. My only experience is having personal contact with someone that had worked with complete (water) fasting for any number of illnesses and this is one I’ve mentioned before. Herbert M. Shelton, San , TX. I suspect he used it with a couple of thousand people over his long life on this planet. Shelton stated, to me, and in writings, that he was sure that a complete water fast would not help cancer patients but left the door open by saying, “perhaps after surgery there may be some use for fastingâ€. Esser who had a Health Ranch in Florida also told me that “fasting would be of little value in brain injury because of the brain cell growth being slowâ€. ?? What I did observe at Shelton’s Ranch were seemingly solid cases of healings with people having Arthritis as well as a Heart Condition besides being told of others that new people that had attended Shelton’s Ranch. This man was fanatical about rest when fasting and would never approve of fasting while working or even leading an otherwise normal life style. His term for that was “Complete Physiological Rest†just as a very sick animal does when it hides under a bed/bush when seriously ill and avoiding all food intake. Shelton also was very strict about Food Combining and eating as much ‘natural’ food as possible. Perhaps if alive today he might incorporate supplements but when you arrived, whatever pills you had, including heart meds, went into the garbage! Joe C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 I find it very hard to believe fasting will help if one has cancer as I know the immune system need enzymes to dissolve the protein shield around cancer tumors, also the patients with cachexia! the cancer turns there protein in there muscle tissue to glucose so it can get more energy to divide. I saw Dr Null in one of his lectures say he cured 50 research mice with a an all veg juice diet. I dont know what was in the veg juice but here's a link to the video on youtube. This Extraordinary Presentation Was Filmed LIVE before thousands of people in Dallas, Texas. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6707428874362219714# Ray ________________________________ From: Gammill <vgammill@...> Sent: Mon, 14 March, 2011 Fasting to treat cancer is probably best addressed by looking at the evidence. The problem is that the evidence seems inconsistent. There are many cases of cancer that have been effectively treated by fasting and by starvation type diets, yet on the other hand, other cancer patients -- especially those with cachexia -- have little or no control over their cancer when attempting the starvation-type protocols. Statistically, those patients who support their nutrition do fare better. You always want to use the right tool for the right job. Fasting is probably the best first choice of treatment if you are so poor you have to sleep under the bridge. I have one fellow who has been very successful at treating his lung cancer relying soley on diet, if you call it that. He picks at fresh corn all day. This is his own doing and not my recommendation. I suspect that he has mild pellagra because of the lack of nixtamalization of the corn. I have looked at pellagra and cancer, and again the evidence is mixed. It is most irksome that there are so few easy answers in cancer. Most questions take decades to resolve, and even then they are subject to review. I know of only one iron-clad rule of cancer: Anything and everything you can state about cancer in only a few words is wrong. This you can take to the bank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 I watched the Null video. I could not help but compare his presentation with my seminars as in many ways we think similarly, but I did notice some differences. I think he is a more dynamic speaker. He likes large groups and many aspects of his talks are sermonesque (sermonious, sermonishy?). I notice that he is less comfortable with the technical (his pronounciations are a give-away). Here I am the clear winner. Null likes being the authority and I like being the epistemologist. This is just a difference in styles. Thus, ask him what to do and he'll tell you what to do. I, on the other hand, will say, " Lets take a step back and analyze the situation. " Both of us have a strong contrarian streak. He is cautious not to step on toes too hard. I have a history of stomping on toes -- sometimes to my regret. like the generalities and I like the specifics. Both are important. sometimes goes out on a limb with some of his conclusions. I am loathe to do this. I think likes being famous while alive. I would much prefer being famous after I'm gone -- what could be more proleptically gratifyinging then to imagine that some future shinola is going to wear my picture on his T-shirt. My molecules will be saying, " Hey, that's me !!! " _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Randall Crossley Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 1:45 AM Subject: Re: [ ] cancer and fasting I find it�very�hard to believe�fasting will help�if one has cancer as I know the immune system need enzymes to dissolve the protein shield around cancer tumors, also the patients with cachexia!�the cancer turns there protein in�there muscle tissue to� glucose so it can get more energy to divide.�I saw Dr Null in one of his lectures say he cured 50 research�mice with a an all veg juice diet. I dont know what was in the veg juice but here's a link to the�video on youtube. This Extraordinary Presentation Was Filmed LIVE before thousands of people in Dallas, Texas. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6707428874362219714#� Ray Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 hahaha, yeah, , too too true. But he's right about our food. Its the same info as what I was told in 2007 by my naturopath. Debby's first question was...what was the amount of veg I ate every day? turns out it was a tablespoon full of veg on my plate for diner. that spoonful of veg was all that was keeping me alive. My body was starving for nutrients and I didn't even know it. no wonder I got cancer. Ray ________________________________ From: Gammill Sent: Tue, 15 March, 2011 I watched the Null video. I could not help but compare his presentation with my seminars as in many ways we think similarly, but I did notice some differences. I think he is a more dynamic speaker. He likes large groups and many aspects of his talks are sermonesque (sermonious, sermonishy?). ........... _____ This Extraordinary Presentation Was Filmed LIVE before thousands of people in Dallas, Texas. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6707428874362219714# Ray Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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