Re: Desperate!!!!

[Guest guest]

Does this flush really work and how can you prove it to me.

Please respond.

B,

I can only tell you about my experience as well as there are others here who

can do the same. I was like you, scared to death to do the cleanse and did

not want surgery. One thing, though, I don't have health insurance so that

would be a huge expensive for my husband and I. But I also wanted to save my

GB.

When I first found this support group, I was excited. Several people gave me

the courage to go ahead and do the cleanse. One of those people was Dale

. I planned ahead and studied all the posts that I could of

successful cleanses because at the time I didn't ever see any unsuccessful

ones. I also noticed that first-timers were like me, scared, but they went

ahead and did it and were relieved.

So I studied Dr. 's cleanse and was prepared and very successful. I'm

doing my 14th cleanse tomorrow night. It's been almost a year since I've

done one. I am ready, though. I have just gone through a period of eating

some junkfood and not feeling well, so I'm back on the basic diet from Dr.

Cabot's website (liverdoctor.com)

Here are two things that have helped me. I periodically take Dr. Cabot's

Livatone powder and it's extremely good. I also take something called

Beta-TCP that I get from Dr. Springer's website at: myvits.com

It's put out by Biotics Research. If you go to Dr. Mercola's website , he's

got some info about it. He recommends it to his patients who have

gallstones. <A

HREF= " http://216.239.39.100/custom?q=cache:0Yhk7WNkJrgC:www.mercola.com/1999/sep\

/12/exercise_prevents_gallstone_surgery.htm+Beta+TCP & hl=en & start=3 & ie=UTF-8 " >

http://216.239.39.100/custom?q=cache:0Yhk7WNkJrgC:www.mercola.com/1999/sep/12/

exercise_prevents_gallstone_surgery.htm+Beta+TCP & hl=en & start=3 & ie=UTF-8</A>

Also, I take Magnesium Citrate capsules that Solaray puts out three times a

day.

If you don't already do this, I recommend that you drink plenty of water

daily. Learn your good fats and your bad fats. Stay away from the bad

fats....period! You can learn a lot about fats from Dr. Cabot.

If you need any more information, we are glad to help you.

Susie

[Guest guest]

  Do you get painful attacks anymore?  I am getting them every two

weeks now!  I'm exhausted.   Thanks for the encouragement and the

websites.  I'm going now to look at them.

Hi, B,

I've gone about 1 1/2 years without a GB attack, but now I need one.

Actually I should have done one months ago, but I had a whole lot of work

come in so I put it off. I don't really have any GB attacks right now, but

just recently I've had some pain around that area, so I put heat on it and

took some ES one night, which helped ease the pain. I have been kind of off

my diet, though, so that makes a huge difference too. I'm back on my diet

now and eating healthy. What I should have done was continue cleansing even

when I was feeling good. I really don't like to do the cleanses too often.

I like to space them out.

One thing, drink at least 1 quart of organic apple juice every day for at

least 5 or 6 days. That stuff breaks up the stones and stuff. I even add

1/4 cup to my olive oil/grapefruit mixture. It really does make a

difference. Then eat very healthy the week of the cleanse. Of course, eat

healthy anyway.

Hope this helps!

Susie

[Guest guest]

Thanks Susie,

Do you get painful attacks anymore? I am getting them every two

weeks now! I'm exhausted. Thanks for the encouragement and the

websites. I'm going now to look at them.

B

Smile

> Does this flush really work and how can you prove it to me.

> Please respond.

>

>

> B,

> I can only tell you about my experience as well as there are others

here who

> can do the same. I was like you, scared to death to do the cleanse

and did

> not want surgery. One thing, though, I don't have health insurance

so that

> would be a huge expensive for my husband and I. But I also wanted

to save my

> GB.

>

> When I first found this support group, I was excited. Several

people gave me

> the courage to go ahead and do the cleanse. One of those people

was Dale

> . I planned ahead and studied all the posts that I could

of

> successful cleanses because at the time I didn't ever see any

unsuccessful

> ones. I also noticed that first-timers were like me, scared, but

they went

> ahead and did it and were relieved.

>

> So I studied Dr. 's cleanse and was prepared and very

successful. I'm

> doing my 14th cleanse tomorrow night. It's been almost a year

since I've

> done one. I am ready, though. I have just gone through a period

of eating

> some junkfood and not feeling well, so I'm back on the basic diet

from Dr.

> Cabot's website (liverdoctor.com)

>

> Here are two things that have helped me. I periodically take Dr.

Cabot's

> Livatone powder and it's extremely good. I also take something

called

> Beta-TCP that I get from Dr. Springer's website at: myvits.com

>

> It's put out by Biotics Research. If you go to Dr. Mercola's

website , he's

> got some info about it. He recommends it to his patients who have

> gallstones. <A HREF= " http://216.239.39.100/custom?

q=cache:0Yhk7WNkJrgC:www.mercola.com/1999/sep/12/exercise_prevents_gal

lstone_surgery.htm+Beta+TCP & hl=en & start=3 & ie=UTF-8 " >

> http://216.239.39.100/custom?

q=cache:0Yhk7WNkJrgC:www.mercola.com/1999/sep/12/

>

>

exercise_prevents_gallstone_surgery.htm+Beta+TCP & hl=en & start=3 & ie=UTF-

8</A>

>

> Also, I take Magnesium Citrate capsules that Solaray puts out three

times a

> day.

>

> If you don't already do this, I recommend that you drink plenty of

water

> daily. Learn your good fats and your bad fats. Stay away from the

bad

> fats....period! You can learn a lot about fats from Dr.

Cabot.

>

> If you need any more information, we are glad to help you.

> Susie

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear B.,

If done properly, you certainly can clear all gallstones from the

gallbladder and all intrahepatic bile stones from liver. I personally

had suffered over 40 gallbladder attacks before I began liver

flushing, and never had one gain. My pancreas was never damaged. My

book The Amazing Liver Cleanse (www.1stbooks.com) has been widely sold

all over the world and helped tens throusands of gallbladder sufferers

save their gallbladder and prevent multiple diseases.

When you do a liver flush there are a number things that have to be

included, such as colonics before and after the flush (espcially in

oyur situation), the prep period, the proper flush procedure, the

correct diet leading up to the cleanse in order to avoid an attack

(there are lots of foods that can bring on an attack), etc. etc. Once

you have done even one flush, you may never have an attack again, but

it is very important to keep cleansing until no more stones come out.

It is not possible to know exactly when the larger stones in the

gallbladder come out, but eventually they do come out. Surgery, on the

other hand, may give you short-term relief but leaves you with major

digestive problems and often serious consequences for the rest of your

life. The trickle of bile (without a gallbladder) is not sufficient to

aid the digestive process and remove toxins from the liver, making

you susceptible to more than some temporary weakness in the pancreas.

At the end of the day, though, you must trust your own instincts about

this. There is great learning about every situation, especially the

more difficult ones. I have learnt incredibly from having had my own

liver/gallbladder problems, and thousands of others have benefited

from it.

With my best wishes,

s

> Can anyone offer proof that the flush works to rid you of all

> gallstones? My doctor won't even approach the subject of having the

> stones analyzed.

> I have had attacks for two years now, but over the last 4-5 months

> they have increased in occurence. I now get an attack every two

> weeks. I have given the natural way one last chance and have been

> eating plenty of fresh apple juice, taking lecithin and liver herbs

> for three weeks now.

> I am on a schedule of flushing every two weeks, but before I can

> flush I get another attack. My attacks last 12 hours, with the

> intensity building up until I vomit. I am afraid that I am going to

> damage my liver or pancreas.

>

> I am seriously considering the surgery - although I don't know how I

> will make it through it. I honestly don't believe in it. I am

> afraid of the after math and what complications will come of it. I

> am scared to death.

>

> Does this flush really work and how can you prove it to me.

> Please respond.

> Thanks

> B

[Guest guest]

> Thanks Susie,

> Do you get painful attacks anymore? I am getting them every two

> weeks now! I'm exhausted. Thanks for the encouragement and the

> websites. I'm going now to look at them.

> B

Dear B,

Are you eating foods like eggs, cheese, fried foods, fatty

meats or other things that contain fat or oil to trigger these

attacks? What food bring them on? Or is just about anything

causing trouble?

L. Meydrech, CN

http://nutritionist.tripod.com/gallbladder.html ~ My Flushes

" A cheerful heart is good medicine " Prov. 17:22a

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the response, I appreciate it. So you went over a year

without doing the flush? That's encouraging! What do you eat

under " healthy " ?

Hi, B,

It's been almost a year since my cleanse. It was Feb. 25th, 2002. I'm doing

one tonight.

As far as eating healthy, Dr. Cabot's diet plans are the best. They help

heal your body. I also agree with Dr. Mercola about grass-fed beef. Of

course, Dr. Cabot talks about eating grass-fed beef also. It's full of omega

3s fatty acids and extremely important for our health. I'm a meat eater, but

I only eat certain meats like beef, chicken, turkey, some fish. In my

opinion, eating only veggies is unhealthy, but I believe to each their own.

Susie

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Thanks for the recent post!

My diet is basically vegetarian (exept for years I had eaten

cheese). I have been watching what I eat since my first attack two

years ago (I can't believe it's been so long!)

My recent diet (just the last 4 weeks) has been fresh vegetable

salad, my own dressing with no salt or sugar, just flax/olive oil (I

don't eat animals-so the flax is my omega complex), no dairy, no

animal products, lots of freshly juiced green apple juice, and other

fresh fruit. Also, fresh vegetable soup (onions, garlic, cabbage,

carrots & herbs - no salt) Last week, I just started eating brown

rice agian. For the time being I have stayed away from soy, but will

have to incorporate it back into my daily plan eventually. I have

laid off the nuts and seeds for the time being also.

So the only thing that I can say triggered my attack would have been

corn soup. Again, no dairy - but it was from a can - so I guess

that's a no-no. Two weeks prior-I don't know what triggered it - I

didn't eat anything on the trigger list. I eat onions everyday, good

part of parisite cleansing, and although they are on the trigger

list, I have never had a problem with them. The night I had an

attack - I didn't eat any onions. I don't eat fried foods, haven't

in two years (since my first attack). Before that - I didn't eat

fried foods often, maybe 2-3 times a year.

I have been a vegetarian for over 10 years now, but always ate cheese

(source of protein) - do you think releasing the stones is part of

the cleansing my body is going through? I am overweight and I don't

exercise. I have been reading that exercise is a crucial factor in

preventing gallstones, do you think exercise can prevent attacks?

I'm hoping that if I keep going with the clean diet that time will be

on my side and I can get out these stones. I drank a cup of olive

oil/lemon juice the night of my attack, so I will wait two more weeks

to do another one.

Thanks for your responses and to everyone for their help. I

appreciate your experience and your opinion.

B

Smile

>

> > Thanks Susie,

> > Do you get painful attacks anymore? I am getting them every

two

> > weeks now! I'm exhausted. Thanks for the encouragement and the

> > websites. I'm going now to look at them.

> > B

>

> Dear B,

> Are you eating foods like eggs, cheese, fried foods, fatty

> meats or other things that contain fat or oil to trigger these

> attacks? What food bring them on? Or is just about anything

> causing trouble?

>

> L. Meydrech, CN

> http://nutritionist.tripod.com/gallbladder.html ~ My Flushes

> " A cheerful heart is good medicine " Prov. 17:22a

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Thanks for your response. I have ordered your book and look forward

to reading it. Can you tell me a little more about colonics? Why

are they so important? They are invasive to me and I don't see why

one should use such a procedure. Can you enlighten me? thanks

Also, do you continue to flush? How often? How many years have you

been doing it? Are you on a strict diet or do you indulge yourself?

Thanks again.

B

Smile

> Dear B.,

>

> If done properly, you certainly can clear all gallstones from the

> gallbladder and all intrahepatic bile stones from liver. I

personally

> had suffered over 40 gallbladder attacks before I began liver

> flushing, and never had one gain. My pancreas was never damaged. My

> book The Amazing Liver Cleanse (www.1stbooks.com) has been widely

sold

> all over the world and helped tens throusands of gallbladder

sufferers

> save their gallbladder and prevent multiple diseases.

>

> When you do a liver flush there are a number things that have to be

> included, such as colonics before and after the flush (espcially in

> oyur situation), the prep period, the proper flush procedure, the

> correct diet leading up to the cleanse in order to avoid an attack

> (there are lots of foods that can bring on an attack), etc. etc.

Once

> you have done even one flush, you may never have an attack again,

but

> it is very important to keep cleansing until no more stones come

out.

> It is not possible to know exactly when the larger stones in the

> gallbladder come out, but eventually they do come out. Surgery, on

the

> other hand, may give you short-term relief but leaves you with major

> digestive problems and often serious consequences for the rest of

your

> life. The trickle of bile (without a gallbladder) is not sufficient

to

> aid the digestive process and remove toxins from the liver, making

> you susceptible to more than some temporary weakness in the

pancreas.

> At the end of the day, though, you must trust your own instincts

about

> this. There is great learning about every situation, especially the

> more difficult ones. I have learnt incredibly from having had my own

> liver/gallbladder problems, and thousands of others have benefited

> from it.

> With my best wishes,

> s

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Susie,

Thanks for the response, I appreciate it. So you went over a year

without doing the flush? That's encouraging! What do you eat

under " healthy " ? I am a vegetarian, but I have had to give up

legumes and cheese because they are trigger foods for me. I also

gave up soy while I am cleansing my body. All of which are my

protein sources.

Do you get to eat " socially " ? My husband asked me to go out to lunch

for Valentine's day, it was such a nice, sweet surprise. But I

declined because I am so afraid of eating. When I go to parties - I

don't eat or drink. I'm not very social these days. Tell me there is

hope!!!!

Also, does the ES help during a painful attack?

Thanks for your response. Have a good day.

B

Smile

>   Do you get painful attacks anymore?  I am getting them every two

> weeks now!  I'm exhausted.   Thanks for the encouragement and the

> websites.  I'm going now to look at them.

>

>

> Hi, B,

> I've gone about 1 1/2 years without a GB attack, but now I need

one.

> Actually I should have done one months ago, but I had a whole lot

of work

> come in so I put it off. I don't really have any GB attacks right

now, but

> just recently I've had some pain around that area, so I put heat on

it and

> took some ES one night, which helped ease the pain. I have been

kind of off

> my diet, though, so that makes a huge difference too. I'm back on

my diet

> now and eating healthy. What I should have done was continue

cleansing even

> when I was feeling good. I really don't like to do the cleanses

too often.

> I like to space them out.

>

> One thing, drink at least 1 quart of organic apple juice every day

for at

> least 5 or 6 days. That stuff breaks up the stones and stuff. I

even add

> 1/4 cup to my olive oil/grapefruit mixture. It really does make a

> difference. Then eat very healthy the week of the cleanse. Of

course, eat

> healthy anyway.

>

> Hope this helps!

> Susie

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.

> Thanks Susie,

> Do you get painful attacks anymore? I am getting them every two

> weeks now! I'm exhausted. Thanks for the encouragement and the

> websites. I'm going now to look at them.

> B

Dear B,

Are you eating foods like eggs, cheese, fried foods, fatty

meats or other things that contain fat or oil to trigger these

attacks? What food bring them on? Or is just about anything

causing trouble?

L. Meydrech, CN

http://nutritionist.tripod.com/gallbladder.html ~ My Flushes

" A cheerful heart is good medicine " Prov. 17:22a

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

;

Sorry for busting in here. But I had to do so regarding this.

I have to admit, for myself, I've been getting away with eating various fatty

foods with a lot less consequence compared to a year ago. Comparing it to the

problems I faced in '99' I'm really getting away with a lot. However, I do have

my regimen of lecithin and other oils to make sure there is a good bile being

made.

I do get put on notice by my liver or gallbladder if I get too much of a good

thing. But, by monitoring just how my bowels are looking and eat, most of the

time, the kind of foods that Dr. Cabot points to as good liver food, I seem to

be doing just fine. In fact the only pain I'm suffering from these days is from

the work I do and there is plenty of that!!

Dale

[Guest guest]

Wally,

Don't you think that was a typo? Don't you really think she meant

GB flush?????

--- In gallstones , Wally Gordon <wally.gordon@b...>

wrote:

>

> > Do you get painful attacks anymore? I am getting them every two

> >weeks now! I'm exhausted. Thanks for the encouragement and the

> >websites. I'm going now to look at them.

> >

> >

> >Hi, B,

> >I've gone about 1 1/2 years without a GB attack, but now I need

one.

>

> I knew that if I lurked here long enough I'd hear everything. Why

do you

> feel that you need a GB attack?

>

> >Hope this helps!

> >Susie

[Guest guest]

Hi Dale,

Thanks for the encouragement. I don't want to go back to eating

anything I want, but an occasional " treat " is needed. I just want to

be able to be social and go out with friends for food and drink.

Besides, what's a movie without popcorn?!!!????

Your response has given me a light at the end of this tunnel. I need

reassurance that I won't have to go into surgery and that there is

life after gallstones!!

Thanks

B

>

> ;

>

> Sorry for busting in here. But I had to do so regarding this.

>

> I have to admit, for myself, I've been getting away with eating

various fatty foods with a lot less consequence compared to a year

ago. Comparing it to the problems I faced in '99' I'm really getting

away with a lot. However, I do have my regimen of lecithin and other

oils to make sure there is a good bile being made.

>

> I do get put on notice by my liver or gallbladder if I get too much

of a good thing. But, by monitoring just how my bowels are looking

and eat, most of the time, the kind of foods that Dr. Cabot points to

as good liver food, I seem to be doing just fine. In fact the only

pain I'm suffering from these days is from the work I do and there is

plenty of that!!

>

> Dale

>

>

[Guest guest]

I don't think so. I spent 30 years eating the great american

diet. I went veggie for the animals health, not my own. I still

think all those years of putting garbage in, is what gave me the

stones.

I am just doing the " perfect diet " thing while I cleanse my body of

toxins. That way when I do the flush, I lessen the side effects.

Did you have any suggestions when you said " i would look elsewhere

than trying to be more perfect in your diet " ? If that was just a

comment, I understand.

thanks

B

Smile

> seems like you have made a very good argument against

vegetarianism. with a

> nearly 'perfect' diet, you still formed these stones.

>

> i would look elsewhere than trying to be more perfect in your diet.

[Guest guest]

i could offer suggestions about new things to try, but at the moment i am

feeling like a big hypocrite so i don't want to ever steer someone down the

wrong path.

i never experienced an attack per se, like alot of people here, but my liver

was completely full of stones. i've experienced alot of relief through

flushes so far, but i'm not well yet.

i think the best suggestion i can offer is to follow your natural instinct.

and by that i mean throw away everything you ever read or were taught by

authoritarians. authoritarians are easy to spot because their way is always

the only and correct way.

i've read lots of books and such, and still have no real answers to provide.

i can say that i've broken every rule in the book and my health improves.

i've done many many succesful cleanses while eating ribsteaks and ice cream

and soda. and lots of unsuccesful ones eating 'properly'

i think that alot of the suggestions people offer here are great--

especially andreas.

but i will also say that i have noticed that in severe chronic illness, alot

of the normal 'rules' don't necessarily apply. for instance there are chain

reactions that take place that we don't consciously understand. especially

when you don't know the root cause of the problem. last year i became aware

that mercury was a big part of my own particular problem. and in that

context vegetarianism was horrible for me. from an intuitive standpoint i

knew this automatically as the first time i had a steak was the first time a

smile appeared on my face in a long while.

for a while i was eating ice cream - and people cautioned me that it was

just overstimulating and a false energy rush. but i would be able to perform

extended periods of acitivity with it.

with yeast, people cautioned that i stay away from all carbs. now i can eat

just about any carb and get sustained energy.

some people think bacteria and viruses are your enemy, but in actuality i

have found that they are good and serve the purpose of cleaning dead tissue.

so i dont worry about yeast 'flare ups' as some people call them. and i

dont worry about people sneezing at the salad bar, and neither do i get

colds anymore

i notice my carbohydrate metabolism improving with each liver flush.

i would recommend andreas' book on the liver cleanse. a book called infinite

supply by joel goldsmith, a book called we want to live by aajonus

vonderplanitz, mucousless healing by arnold ehret, amalgam illness by andrew

cutler, tissue cleansing through bowel management by bernard jensen,

function of the orgasm by wilhelm reich, and some of carlos castaneda's

books

my intuition tells me that diet is not the main issue with stones. i am not

an expert by any means, and of course i could be all wrong at the end of the

day. but i eat basically what i want now, and i dont feel i am making new

stones, and when the flushes are over i feel that will be the end of it.

i think that metal poisoning and or psycho spiritual issues are deeper root

causes than diet. 'diets' per se are authoritarian systems of control. diet

in the loose sense is what you ingest. most americans feel that the latest

and greatest system is the new way to go. vegetarian, lacto ovo, macro,

carnivore, primal, mono, etc,. etc. and there is always some sort of guilt

attached to it, like i should be doing it more this way or i shouldn't have

eaten cheese or this or that.

i'm finding out for myself that instinctive choices are the best ones. and

maybe i didnt eat enough cheese or maybe i needed more fried pork rinds

(unlikely but i'm trying to make a point) there is a circuitous route that

people take to getting well

i would also not look at a gall bladder attack as an 'attack'-- rather a

signal that your body is now ready to expel the stones.

so eat what tastes good and do what feels good!

good luck

[Guest guest]

----- Original Message -----

From: gizzasmom gizzasmomcom

gallstones

Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 10:02 AM

Subject: Re: Desperate!!!!

Hi B: Just go do the cleanse flush. I read about it and thought man thats

whats wrong and why my Ph is screwed up because my bile ducts are all clogged

up. Well it worked! I'm readying myself for flush number 2. The Doctors no

absolutely nothing about proper anything. They have regressed to pill pushers,

cut and slash advocates,phony treatments and become symptom treaters, but no

cures! I've suffered for over ten years with zero answers from them, zero good

advice, little if any knowledge flowed from thier lips, and no cures!

So B suffer or take the leap. I did and many others here have too. Granted the

thing your about to do is not the most pleasant thing in the world. But compared

to what your going through it's a piece of cake. If it works your miles ahead of

the game. Last it's pretty darn safe compared to surgery.

Walt

Hi Dale,

Thanks for the encouragement. I don't want to go back to eating

anything I want, but an occasional " treat " is needed. I just want to

be able to be social and go out with friends for food and drink.

Besides, what's a movie without popcorn?!!!????

Your response has given me a light at the end of this tunnel. I need

reassurance that I won't have to go into surgery and that there is

life after gallstones!!

Thanks

B

>

> ;

>

> Sorry for busting in here. But I had to do so regarding this.

>

> I have to admit, for myself, I've been getting away with eating

various fatty foods with a lot less consequence compared to a year

ago. Comparing it to the problems I faced in '99' I'm really getting

away with a lot. However, I do have my regimen of lecithin and other

oils to make sure there is a good bile being made.

>

> I do get put on notice by my liver or gallbladder if I get too much

of a good thing. But, by monitoring just how my bowels are looking

and eat, most of the time, the kind of foods that Dr. Cabot points to

as good liver food, I seem to be doing just fine. In fact the only

pain I'm suffering from these days is from the work I do and there is

plenty of that!!

>

> Dale

>

>

[Guest guest]

> Dear B,

> Are you eating foods like eggs, cheese, fried foods, fatty

> meats or other things that contain fat or oil to trigger these

> attacks? What food bring them on? Or is just about anything

> causing trouble?

>

> L. Meydrech, CN

> http://nutritionist.tripod.com/gallbladder.html ~ My Flushes

> " A cheerful heart is good medicine " Prov. 17:22a

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>

> ;

>

> Sorry for busting in here. But I had to do so regarding this.

>

> I have to admit, for myself, I've been getting away with eating various

fatty foods with a lot less consequence compared to a year ago. Comparing it

to the problems I faced in '99' I'm really getting away with a lot. However,

I do have my regimen of lecithin and other oils to make sure there is a good

bile being made.

>

> I do get put on notice by my liver or gallbladder if I get too much of a

good thing. But, by monitoring just how my bowels are looking and eat, most

of the time, the kind of foods that Dr. Cabot points to as good liver food,

I seem to be doing just fine. In fact the only pain I'm suffering from these

days is from the work I do and there is plenty of that!!

>

> Dale

Me too, Dale. I don't think our livers and gallbladders will ever

let us get away with things that some people can, and maybe

we should thank them for it, because think of all the junk that our

" complaining " livers and gb's are keeping us from eating?? :-)

L. Meydrech, CN

http://nutritionist.tripod.com/gallbladder.html ~ My Flushes

http://nutritionist.tripod.com ~ Journey to Health & Auctions

" A cheerful heart is good medicine " Prov. 17:22a

[Guest guest]

Thak you for the belly laugh of the doc and his stones

I agree with you to a certain extent re: diet is not main issue.

I would say Diet is not the only issue re: stone formation/ GB

problems.

This whole matter needs to be looked at in a wholistic view.

Everything that can affect your gallbladder health should be

examined and treated. (That is why people treat the liver as well -

not just the GB.) Exercise, food, toxins in body, age, stress,

etc., etc., all play an important role in your health and therefore

may need to be altered for optimum health.

Instinctive choices of food may be a valid choice, BUT choose

instinctively/conscientiously. Don't choose just out of habit (ex.

popcorn while watching a movie)or tradition (Thanksgiving turkey

dinner with potatoes and greasy gravy).

Our body may need to be trained to eat healthy before it can

subliminally make the right choices.

We are not yet Zen monks. (which brings to mind a story of monks in

a hospital as the atom bomb fell on Japan. - they screamed at

everyone to eat salt - as much as they could. The patients of this

hospital suffered much less trauma than the traditional one that was

situated very close by)

Yes, instinct can be good, but it is learnED.

~S

--- " aluckower " <aluckower@n...> wrote:

>

> my intuition tells me that diet is not the main issue with stones.

i am not

> an expert by any means, and of course i could be all wrong at the

end of the

> day. but i eat basically what i want now, and i dont feel i am

making new

> stones, and when the flushes are over i feel that will be the end

of it........

> i'm finding out for myself that instinctive choices are the best

ones. ..........

> i would also not look at a gall bladder attack as an 'attack'--

rather a

> signal that your body is now ready to expel the stones.

>

> so eat what tastes good and do what feels good!

>

> good luck

[Guest guest]

say you are at a movie theatre and you are about to have a gall bladder

attack. you don't know about flushes.

you instinctively eat the buttered popcorn

Hello,

I say learn from experience, don't eat buttered popcorn. I'd also say that

research everything that you can about what things may bring on an attack.

There are also individual things that can bring on an attack that are healthy

like cabbage for some people, eggs, and nuts.

I've read posts of people before on this website who were desperate because

they were in the middle of an attack and tried the cleanse, but 3/4 of the

cleanse is in the preparation. That, I do know from experience. On my very

first cleanse before I really researched it, I did a cleanse. I had called a

friend of mine up who has been doing the cleanses for over 10 years. He told

me what to do. It's not the same as reading and researching it for yourself,

and I didn't listen to him about how important drinking organic apple juice

was, fasting.

So I did the cleanse and did it unprepared and boy, was I ill the next day

with a major attack. After my husband gave me a high enema, I passed tons of

stones but also had to take pain meds. Actually, after the enema, the pain

subsided. I'm sure the pain meds helped too! But I do hate to take them.

Since that happened, I decided to do my research into the matter. I wanted

to see what others were experiencing and all I saw were pluses and people

like Dale and others giving me courage to do it again.

So what I'm saying is that be sure you prepare. That organic apple juice is

extremely important as well as changing your eating habits. I always do at

least 5 days of drinking 1 quart of organic apple juice.

This time my cleanse didn't go as well. I had bought some apple juice from

the health food store that I think didn't have enough of the acid in it. It

was a different brand and on sale. I normally always get Knudsen brand

because it's got that high acid content.

Anyway, after I drank my olive oil/grapefruit/organic apple juice potion, I

immediately laid down and could feel stones traveling through my bile ducts.

Every once in a while, one would kind of give a tinge of pain but not much.

I can't really say the word " pain " either. It was just that I was aware of

them passing. I am very sore today, but I didn't pass tons of stuff as I had

wanted to. Remember, it's been almost a year since I've done a cleanse. Of

course, it's possible I passed what was in that certain stage to be removed.

So I'll try the cleanse again in about 3 weeks.

The stuff that I passed this time was different from other times. At other

times I've passed greenish-colored stones, then another time yellowish-tan

stones, then that one time that -- like Dale said -- hit paydirt because I

passed some large, dark greenish-stinky stones with aqua streaks, some

measuring a little over an inch. I didn't pass too many, but those that I

passed that time were huge and stinky, extremely stinky.

This time I passed grayish-colored pebble stones and quite a bit, so I guess

that's okay. Actually they had a little gray and tan to them. This is all

too weird the stuff that's inside us. It always amazes me. But today I feel

as though I did 100 sit-ups because I'm sore just all over the liver/GB area.

Well, thought I'd let y'all know.

Susie

[Guest guest]

even zen monks aren't what we think zen monks are

instinct does not have to be learned, we are born with it. it's always

there.

to tell someone that theirs is not up to par is a sublte form if

disempowerment

[Guest guest]

sorry, i forgot to give an example...

say you are at a movie theatre and you are about to have a gall bladder

attack. you don't know about flushes.

you instinctively eat the buttered popcorn

you have a gall bladder attack

you go home in pain and misery

the pain makes you instinctively search for a solution

you search the net you find curezone

you find the flush

you do it

pass a large stone

no more attacks

go to movie

eat popcorn with butter with no problems