Re: CC/FO vs PCa - was Opinions on gluten/Bill

[Guest guest]

The reports for hormone related breast cancer and CCFO are also sketchy.

I think alternatives and lifestyle changes are essential in dealing

with cancer. But, one of the most important things is to recognize that

not all cancers are the same. To tell someone to use a protocol that

might not be for their cancer, is dangerous. It's my personal opinion

that Budwig may work well for non-hormonal cancers, but so far, I can't

see how it would work for those cancers related to hormones.

ar

--

Arlyn Grant

arlynsg@...

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I found the summary of an article below quite interesting. It seems to indicate

that Omega 3 can have a protective effect in the case of breast cancer, though

in this case it was not Omega 3 derived from ALA (as in flaxseed oil) but Omega

3 from DHA and EPA in fish oil.

Now, your body *can* convert EPA from ALA, but it would take an awful lot of

the stuff to do so. I read that to obtain roughly 1 gram of EPA, you would have

to ingest 11 grams of flaxseed oil.

Interesting, too, is that the site from which I gathered the info below has a

lot of articles to indicate that the Omega 3 from fish oil (EPA and DHA) have a

really protective effect on

prostate cancer. See: http://www.oilofpisces.com/prostatecancer.html

Marti

Fats and breast cancer

MILAN, ITALY. The association between the intake of various fats and oils and

the risk of breast cancer has been the subject of several studies. There is

still no real consensus as to which fats are beneficial and which are not. The

evidence for a protective role of

eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA) and docosahexaenoic acid (DHA), the main components

of fish oils, is probably the strongest.

Researchers at the Italian National Cancer Institute have just completed an

investigation aimed at clarifying the association between fat intake and breast

cancer risk. A total of 4052 postmenopausal women were followed for an average

of 5.5 years. During this time 71 cases of invasive breast cancer were

diagnosed. The cancer patients were matched with 141 controls. All study

participants had blood samples drawn and red blood cell (erythrocyte) membranes

were analyzed for their fatty acid content. The researchers point out that

erythrocyte membranes are good biomarkers for not only dietary fat intake, but

also for other dietary and hormonal factors.

Women with DHA concentrations in the highest tertile had less than half the risk

of breast cancer than did women in the lowest tertile. Polyunsaturated fatty

acids overall were also protective with omega-3 acids being somewhat more

protective than omega-6 acids.

Saturated fatty acid concentrations were not significantly related to breast

cancer risk. A higher concentration of monounsaturated fats, especially oleic

acid, was associated with a significantly increased risk. The researchers point

out that most oleic acid in mammalian

tissue is derived from saturated stearic acid through a process involving the

enzyme delta 9-desaturase. Saturated fatty acids, cholesterol, carbohydrates,

insulin, testosterone, and estrogen all activate this enzyme whereas dietary

polyunsaturated fatty acids and fasting deactivate it. The researchers conclude

that the delta 9-desaturase enzyme may be an important link between breast

cancer risk and dietary fat consumption and urge further research in the field.

Pala, Valeria, et al. Erythrocyte membrane fatty acids and subsequent breast

cancer: a prospective Italian study. Journal of the National Cancer Institute,

Vol. 93, July 18, 2001, pp. 1088-95

>The reports for hormone related breast cancer and CCFO are also sketchy. I

think alternatives and lifestyle changes are essential in dealing with cancer.

But, one of the most important things is to recognize that not all cancers are

the same. To tell someone to use a protocol that might not be for their cancer,

is dangerous. It's my personal opinion that Budwig may work well for

non-hormonal cancers, but so far, I can't see how it would work for those

cancers related to hormones.

[Guest guest]

On Jan 28, 2008, at 9:33 AM, Arlyn Grant wrote:

> The reports for hormone related breast cancer and CCFO are also

> sketchy. I think alternatives and lifestyle changes are essential in

> dealing with cancer. But, one of the most important things is to

> recognize that not all cancers are the same. To tell someone to use a

> protocol that might not be for their cancer, is dangerous. It's my

> personal opinion that Budwig may work well for non-hormonal cancers,

> but so far, I can't see how it would work for those cancers related to

> hormones.

>

Arlene- I couldn't find my email about the estrogens in flaxseed being

weak but when they occupy the estrogen receptor sites in cells, they

block the stronger estrogens from being taken up that are actually

capable of making the cancer cells grow. But here is an article that

would back up that claim. It is about the seeds, not the oil. The

Budwig diet would use a much higher amount of seeds than in this study.

http://www.world-wire.com/news/0729050001.html

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

ONE FLAX SEED MUFFIN A DAY FOR 30 DAYS KILLS 31% OF BREAST CANCER CELLS

IN NEWLY DIAGNOSED WOMEN

EL VERANO, CA, July 29, 2005 --/WORLD-WIRE/-- Linseed oil, made from

flax seeds, is an extremely useful natural oil that is used as a

preservative for wood, concrete, and as an ingredient in the

manufacture of paints, varnishes and stains. Little did anyone realize

that the discarded flax meal was a powerful therapeutic food for the

treatment of breast and other cancers.

The role of flax seed lignans as a treatment for cancer has been

studied in cell cultures and animals for years, but until a few months

ago it has never been tested in humans with diagnosed cancers.

Canadian scientists, following up on previous studies conducted in

mice, enrolled women newly diagnosed with breast cancer as volunteers

to study the effects of flaxseed on breast cancer progression. In this

study, one flaxseed muffin a day, containing a predetermined

concentration of pre-lignans, was consumed per day for 30 days. Tissue

biopsies were preformed prior to and after the 30 day period. The

results showed that the flaxseed pre-lignans, converted in the

intestines by bacteria into powerful anti-cancer lignans, were

extremely efficient, in low doses, in killing the breast cancer cells

in these volunteer women.

The results were nothing short of dramatic. The growth index in the

cancer cells was reduced 34.2%, while the level of programmed cell

death increased 30.7%. Women who expressed the HER2 (c-erbB2)

metastatic oncogene saw its expression decrease by a dramatic 71%.

According to Dr. , Chief Scientist of Grouppe Kurosawa,

data like this has never been reported before.

“This study is critically important not only for breast cancer

patients, but for all cancer patients because lignans kill many kinds

of cancers, including the presently incurable melanoma. With the

exception of palmitic acid, the common saturated fatty acid, specific

foods do not normally have the ability to kill cancer cells. And we are

only talking about one muffin a day. What if we ate two? This study is

so exciting that it has me jumping out of my skin. This study and

parallel studies are too important for the public health to be ignored

so we decided to send out a press release.”

The World Health Organization estimates that 1.2 million women will

develop breast cancer in 2004. Since many of these women lack adequate

medical care, they will eventually die from this disease. In the US, a

country with unlimited medical resources, 211,240 women will develop

breast cancer in 2005, and 40,410 will die. African American women in

the US are particularly prone to develop and die from this cancer.

Medical costs are out of control in the US and throughout the world.

Natural medicines such as lignans are cheap, non-toxic, effective in

low doses, and the only hope for those without health insurance. Anyone

can grind up flaxseed and put it in muffins, smoothies, yogurt or

animal food. The idea that this simple seed can actually kill cancer

cells in the human/animal body is almost overwhelming in its

implications for human and animal health.

Grouppe Kurosawa, an organization dedicated to developing treatment

protocols for acute and chronic diseases using only natural medicines

and over the counter drugs, has compiled the information on lignans and

cancer into the Medicinal Nutrition folder on its web site.

The folder contains hyperlinked scientific references, and flax meal

recipes so people can investigate the medicinal powers of flaxseed on

their own. Visit: http://www.grouppekurosawa.com/nutrition.htm

CONTACT:

, Ph.D

Grouppe Kurosawa

707-9961747

scorpiongrouppe@...

http://www.grouppekurosawa.com/

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

The article you posted does not indicate if the women who had positive

flax seed results had hormone positive cancer.

I used a flax seed product for over a year, daily, just prior to my

diagnosis. I still got breast cancer.

ar

On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 14:00:07 -0800, " Tad Winiecki "

<winiecki@...> said:

>

> On Jan 28, 2008, at 9:33 AM, Arlyn Grant wrote:

>

> > The reports for hormone related breast cancer and CCFO are also

> > sketchy. I think alternatives and lifestyle changes are essential in

> > dealing with cancer. But, one of the most important things is to

> > recognize that not all cancers are the same. To tell someone to use a

> > protocol that might not be for their cancer, is dangerous. It's my

> > personal opinion that Budwig may work well for non-hormonal cancers,

> > but so far, I can't see how it would work for those cancers related to

> > hormones.

> >

>

> Arlene- I couldn't find my email about the estrogens in flaxseed being

> weak but when they occupy the estrogen receptor sites in cells, they

> block the stronger estrogens from being taken up that are actually

> capable of making the cancer cells grow. But here is an article that

> would back up that claim. It is about the seeds, not the oil. The

> Budwig diet would use a much higher amount of seeds than in this study.

>

> http://www.world-wire.com/news/0729050001.html

>

> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

>

> ONE FLAX SEED MUFFIN A DAY FOR 30 DAYS KILLS 31% OF BREAST CANCER CELLS

> IN NEWLY DIAGNOSED WOMEN

>

> EL VERANO, CA, July 29, 2005 --/WORLD-WIRE/-- Linseed oil, made from

> flax seeds, is an extremely useful natural oil that is used as a

> preservative for wood, concrete, and as an ingredient in the

> manufacture of paints, varnishes and stains. Little did anyone realize

> that the discarded flax meal was a powerful therapeutic food for the

> treatment of breast and other cancers.

>

> The role of flax seed lignans as a treatment for cancer has been

> studied in cell cultures and animals for years, but until a few months

> ago it has never been tested in humans with diagnosed cancers.

>

> Canadian scientists, following up on previous studies conducted in

> mice, enrolled women newly diagnosed with breast cancer as volunteers

> to study the effects of flaxseed on breast cancer progression. In this

> study, one flaxseed muffin a day, containing a predetermined

> concentration of pre-lignans, was consumed per day for 30 days. Tissue

> biopsies were preformed prior to and after the 30 day period. The

> results showed that the flaxseed pre-lignans, converted in the

> intestines by bacteria into powerful anti-cancer lignans, were

> extremely efficient, in low doses, in killing the breast cancer cells

> in these volunteer women.

>

> The results were nothing short of dramatic. The growth index in the

> cancer cells was reduced 34.2%, while the level of programmed cell

> death increased 30.7%. Women who expressed the HER2 (c-erbB2)

> metastatic oncogene saw its expression decrease by a dramatic 71%.

>

> According to Dr. , Chief Scientist of Grouppe Kurosawa,

> data like this has never been reported before.

>

> & #8220;This study is critically important not only for breast cancer

> patients, but for all cancer patients because lignans kill many kinds

> of cancers, including the presently incurable melanoma. With the

> exception of palmitic acid, the common saturated fatty acid, specific

> foods do not normally have the ability to kill cancer cells. And we are

> only talking about one muffin a day. What if we ate two? This study is

> so exciting that it has me jumping out of my skin. This study and

> parallel studies are too important for the public health to be ignored

> so we decided to send out a press release. & #8221;

>

> The World Health Organization estimates that 1.2 million women will

> develop breast cancer in 2004. Since many of these women lack adequate

> medical care, they will eventually die from this disease. In the US, a

> country with unlimited medical resources, 211,240 women will develop

> breast cancer in 2005, and 40,410 will die. African American women in

> the US are particularly prone to develop and die from this cancer.

>

> Medical costs are out of control in the US and throughout the world.

> Natural medicines such as lignans are cheap, non-toxic, effective in

> low doses, and the only hope for those without health insurance. Anyone

> can grind up flaxseed and put it in muffins, smoothies, yogurt or

> animal food. The idea that this simple seed can actually kill cancer

> cells in the human/animal body is almost overwhelming in its

> implications for human and animal health.

>

> Grouppe Kurosawa, an organization dedicated to developing treatment

> protocols for acute and chronic diseases using only natural medicines

> and over the counter drugs, has compiled the information on lignans and

> cancer into the Medicinal Nutrition folder on its web site.

>

> The folder contains hyperlinked scientific references, and flax meal

> recipes so people can investigate the medicinal powers of flaxseed on

> their own. Visit: http://www.grouppekurosawa.com/nutrition.htm

>

> CONTACT:

> , Ph.D

> Grouppe Kurosawa

> 707-9961747

> scorpiongrouppe@...

> http://www.grouppekurosawa.com/

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

On Jan 28, 2008, at 4:29 PM, Arlyn Grant wrote:

> Hi ,

>

> The article you posted does not indicate if the women who had positive

> flax seed results had hormone positive cancer.

>

> I used a flax seed product for over a year, daily, just prior to my

> diagnosis. I still got breast cancer.

>

Here's another study I just saw today. It talks about relative risks

and percents. Also, how long does the tumor grow before it is

detectable? Perhaps several years. It's sad that the flaxseed product

you used didn't eliminate the cancer. I'm very new with the Budwig

diet myself, don't have a cancer dx as far as I know. There are a lot

of other alternative treatments out there, Essiac, various herbs, LDN,

Paw Paw, etc. I've been using herbs for 15 years for health and

prevention. I do seem to find some good health benefits from the BP so

far though. Dr. Budwig was concerned about processing damaging fish

oils but if they were processed to maintain quality then they would be

another source of good omega 3's. An important consideration is not

just about omega 3's but what the ratio of omega 6's to 3's is in one's

diet. I've read that it can be as high as 10-30 : 1 when It should be

more like 2:1. The second study below talks about the bad effect of

high omega 6's in the diet. It's hard to get a good omega 3 balance

without Flaxseed oil as most oils are high in omega 6's. OTOH fish oils

have the EPA and DHA already in a useable form. I believe stearic

acid is found in meat, particularly beef, haven't looked it up. LA is

the omega 6 essential fatty acid found in most vegetable oils, nuts,

and some meats, especially chicken.

http://www.oilofpisces.com/prostatecancer.html

--------------------------------------

Fats and breast cancer

MILAN, ITALY. The association between the intake of various fats and

oils and the risk of breast cancer has been the subject of several

studies. There is still no real consensus as to which fats are

beneficial and which are not. The evidence for a protective role of

eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA) and docosahexaenoic acid (DHA), the main

components of fish oils, is probably the strongest.

Researchers at the Italian National Cancer Institute have just

completed an investigation aimed at clarifying the association between

fat intake and breast cancer risk. A total of 4052 postmenopausal women

were followed for an average of 5.5 years. During this time 71 cases of

invasive breast cancer were diagnosed. The cancer patients were matched

with 141 controls. All study participants had blood samples drawn and

red blood cell (erythrocyte) membranes were analyzed for their fatty

acid content. The researchers point out that erythrocyte membranes are

good biomarkers for not only dietary fat intake, but also for other

dietary and hormonal factors.

Women with DHA concentrations in the highest tertile had less than

half the risk of breast cancer than did women in the lowest tertile.

Polyunsaturated fatty acids overall were also protective with omega-3

acids being somewhat more protective than omega-6 acids. Saturated

fatty acid concentrations were not significantly related to breast

cancer risk. A higher concentration of monounsaturated fats, especially

oleic acid, was associated with a significantly increased risk. The

researchers point out that most oleic acid in mammalian tissue is

derived from saturated stearic acid through a process involving the

enzyme delta 9-desaturase. Saturated fatty acids, cholesterol,

carbohydrates, insulin, testosterone, and estrogen all activate this

enzyme whereas dietary polyunsaturated fatty acids and fasting

deactivate it. The researchers conclude that the delta 9-desaturase

enzyme may be an important link between breast cancer risk and dietary

fat consumption and urge further research in the field.

Pala, Valeria, et al. Erythrocyte membrane fatty acids and subsequent

breast cancer: a prospective Italian study. Journal of the National

Cancer Institute, Vol. 93, July 18, 2001, pp. 1088-95

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Breast cancer risk linked to fatty acid profile

CHAPEL HILL, NORTH CAROLINA. Breast cancer rates differ greatly

between countries. They are 5 times higher in the United States than in

Japan and twice as high in France as in neighbouring Spain. Differences

in overall fat consumption in these countries have been extensively

studied, but no link to breast cancer incidence has been detected so

far. A large team of researchers from the Netherlands, Ireland, Spain,

Finland, Switzerland, Germany and the United States now report that,

while overall fat consumption may not be significant, the make-up of

the fats could be. As part of the large EURAMIC Study the researchers

investigated the link between the content of polyunsaturated fats in

adipose (fat) tissue of postmenopausal women and breast cancer

incidence. A total of 291 women with breast cancer and 351 controls

were included in the study which involved 5 European medical centers.

The women all had samples of adipose tissue taken (from the buttocks)

and analyzed to determine the concentration of the main polyunsaturated

fatty acids: the omega-3 acids - alpha-linolenic acid (ALA),

eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA) and docosahexaenoic acid (DHA), and the

omega-6 acids - linoleic acid (LA) and its metabolite arachidonic acid

(AA).

The study found no significant correlation between omega-3 fatty acid

levels and breast cancer incidence, but did find a trend to increasing

incidence with increasing levels of omega-6 fatty acids in the adipose

tissue samples. The researchers also found a significant association

between the ratio of EPA and DHA to LA levels and breast cancer

incidence in 4 out of 5 of the medical centers involved in the study.

Pooling all results showed that women with the highest ratio had a 35%

lower breast cancer incidence than women with the lowest ratio. In

other words, women with a relatively high adipose tissue level of EPA

and DHA (the main components of fish oils) and a relatively low level

of LA and its metabolites had a lower breast cancer risk. The

researchers note that LA (linoleic acid) is the precursor of certain

eicosanoids which may promote tumour growth. EPA and DHA inhibit the

production of these harmful compounds and may also, on their own,

inhibit tumour growth. The researchers also point out that several

epidemiological studies have found an inverse correlation between fish

consumption and breast cancer incidence and urge further studies to

determine the relationship between the dietary intake of specific fatty

acids and breast cancer risk.

Simonsen, Neal, et al. Adipose tissue omega-3 and omega-6 fatty acid

content and breast cancer in the EURAMIC Study. American Journal of

Epidemiology, Vol. 147, No. 4, 1998, pp. 342-52

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