Re: Help for my father--CTCA-I concur with Joe Castron

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I am glad you opined about CTCA, Joe.

I agree. When I looked at CTCA for low-grade lymphoma, they were

touting bone marrow/stem cell transplant as first line treatment!

They are, to put it another way, a hospital that serves mainstream

treatment as the main course, and " complementary " treatment as

condiments.

It seems to me almost a marketing ploy... ( " Hmmmm...let's see...what

gimmick can we use to grab a substantial market share of the cancer

industry? How about we add a smattering of complementary stuff to the

bill of fare? " )

I guess, if they are still doing things according to Quillin,

that cancer clients at CTCA EAT a WHOLE LOT better than cancer

clients at other NCI hospitals, and that's not a bad thing. BUT the

FACT that CTCA hospitals ARE NCI hospitals speaks volumes about what

they actually are---MAINLY MAINSTREAM, or they would not BE NCI

hospitals.

Elliot

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Thanks to all for your thoughts - you are right, doesn't sound like what we are

looking for... Joe - had emailed your separately, not sure if you got it -

wondering how you're doing so far on LDN? Think you were starting it a few

mos. ago... seriously thinking about that... anyone else on this site on LDN

(and if so, did anyone use it concurrently with chemo?) Not sure I can

convince my father to abandon conventional treatment at this point, though I

know they would sort of work vs. each other, I have heard of people having good

results combining the 2. Also, anyone used Dr. in NYC?

Many thanks again,

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In a message dated 1/18/08 1:57:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, aug20@...

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> Clients have to take whole handfuls of enzymes and other

> supplements daily---40-60 or more capsules a day

Additionally, people have to go through an interview and many are turned away

if he doesn't feel that they are right for the program. I knew a woman with

bladder cancer who was turned away because she smoked pot and wasn't

religious...at least this is what she thought the reasons were. So she worked

with

Hans Neiper and someone in Westchester NY with Mistletoe and I believe she is

fine now.

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Hi, .

I am glad you have been helped thus far by the advice various members

have provided.

I regret to say that if you are not sure you can convince your father

to abandon conventional treatment then is certainly not the

place for him, even if has been obtaining good results for

his clients. (I am not saying he has. I have no idea what results he

has been getting lately.) The reason I say he is definitely not a

good match for someone such as your dad is because his protocol is

one of the most demanding protocols available anywhere. One person

even went so far as to describe the regimen as " abusive. "

What he meant was that it is so rigorous that it verges on being

abusive. Clients have to take whole handfuls of enzymes and other

supplements daily---40-60 or more capsules a day. Then there are

several daily enemas, I believe, and I don't remember what else. But

I do remember that when I phoned 's office in 1991, his nurse

started to go through the program with me, and before she was even

finished explaining all I would have to do, I knew it wasn't for me.

And mind you, I WAS bent on following something alternative, whereas

your dad is apparently not so.

It may come to the point where you have to go with what your dad

wants, and at that point you will need to give him whatever support

and love he needs as he heads down HIS chosen path. That is the

anguish many of us have faced with our parents. They grow old, and we

know more and better about some things than they do. But we have to

allow them to make their own decisions as long as they are in their

right mind, even if they are acting childish, because they are not

children, they are adults---people who long ago became responsible

enough to make their own decisions.

I wish you strength and peace in facing this, however it unfolds.

Best wishes,

Elliot

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Thank you for your insights on this. I think you are probably right,

and I knew it was a longshot before your comments, based on what I

have read about his protocol. I also just thought I might be able to

sell him on it bec. has had some good press. He knows we

have to think outside the box, but since he won't do Budwig, I

suppose I was delusional to think he'd do . Has anyone on

this site worked with Gaynor (or know anything about him) or

MIchael Schacter (he works with LDN, among other things). My father

knows we need to do something(s) alternative and embraces that, but

also wants to stick with the conventional (until he can't handle it

anymore)... and I think he is most apt to do something " mainstream "

alternative - if that makes sense - something that is getting a lot

of buzz and positive feedback - not something undergound and

revolutionary (if this makes sense). Elliott, curious - what have

you been doing?

THanks

P.S. We still don't have 100% confirmation that the cancer is even

back, but doing the legwork know - all signs point to bone mets, but

scans are conflicting... VERY frustrating.

szukipoo@... wrote:

>

> aug20@... writes:

> > Clients have to take whole handfuls of enzymes and other

> > supplements daily---40-60 or more capsules a day

>

> Additionally, people have to go through an interview and many are

turned away

> if he doesn't feel that they are right for the program. I knew a

woman with

> bladder cancer who was turned away because she smoked pot and

wasn't

> religious...at least this is what she thought the reasons were. So

she worked with

> Hans Neiper and someone in Westchester NY with Mistletoe and I

believe she is

> fine now.