Guest guest Posted January 2, 2008 Report Share Posted January 2, 2008 In a message dated 1/2/08 8:36:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, cathykush@... writes: > have the > ability to distinguish between the breath of healthy patients and > those with lung and breast cancers too. Dogs recognize fear through the breath so if you are around a dog that you feel afraid of and want to overcome it, suck on a mint..they dog will not know you are afraid. I have smelled changes in odor in my dogs when they had cancer. Dogs have a much more developed sense of smell than we do so they can certainly recognize chemical changes in a person. ************************************** See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2008 Report Share Posted January 2, 2008 In a message dated 1/2/08 8:36:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, arlynsg@... writes: > My dermatologist from the early 80's is one of the doctors who was > spearheading this. What's his name? ************************************** See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2008 Report Share Posted January 2, 2008 In a message dated 1/2/08 9:08:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, aug20@... writes: > It might be cheaper for a group of senior citizens, say a dozen of > them, to invest in one of these dogs than to have a dermatologist > excise every little spot they develop " just in case " it's cancer: > > > I would love to see groups of people led by a research student working on > his PHD, leading these groups all over the country. I would definitely get > involved in some way as one of my passions in life is dogs. I have been a > facilitator in many areas of canine/community interaction. > > > ************************************** See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2008 Report Share Posted January 3, 2008 I've just been watching a DVD on which a scientist-researcher says there are now dogs trained to recognize melanomas by their odor. They can apparently even tell that a normal-looking mole either is a melanoma or is has turned into a melanoma. Any time one of these dogs recognizes one of these moles and it is biopsied, it turns out to be a melanoma. Has anyone else heard about such a phenomenon? Elliot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2008 Report Share Posted January 3, 2008 Yes, this goes for both lung and breast cancers as well. They have the ability to distinguish between the breath of healthy patients and those with lung and breast cancers too. There's a few studies going on about this, here's one article from 2006. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/01/060106002944.htm cathy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2008 Report Share Posted January 3, 2008 From June 2003 http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2003/06/01/CM3\ 8469.DTL One of the touted leaders of the cancer-detection pack was a standard poodle named Shing Ling-hua, who worked as a therapy dog at the Pine Street Chinese Benevolent Association in San Anselmo and had been trained to try to detect cancer by smelling tubes containing breath samples of people with early- stage breast or lung cancer. Spirited, happy and self-possessed, Shing Ling was said to be 90 percent successful in detecting tumors, according to the association's directors. She died earlier this year, leaving a void at the clinic and cutting short an apparently auspicious cancer-sniffing career. " Shing Ling showed that you can train a dog to smell stage-one cancer, " contends Broffman, co-founder and director of the Pine Street clinic and Shing Ling's owner. " Once the concept is proven, which is what we did with Shing Ling, you can go into the next phase, involving more dogs. We need to do this because people could argue that Shing Ling was unusual and had a special talent for this. " The next phase began in mid-May, when Polish researcher Tadeusz Jezierski arrived in San Anselmo to direct a five-month clinical study to determine the ability of a handful of dogs of different breeds and ages to sniff out lung and breast cancer. From: arlynsg My dermatologist from the early 80's is one of the doctors who was spearheading this. But it isn't new. I first read about his efforts more than 10 years ago, I think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2008 Report Share Posted January 4, 2008 What does cancer smell like does anyone know? I have had bad breath for so long! It's not my teeth, I do have sinusitus that smells really bad. But now I wonder just what type of odor does cancer produce? I've read that it takes at least ten years for cancer to develope, one Dr. told me about my brother in law that he had this cancer for twenty years but yet he (my brother in law)about it. Barbara In , szukipoo@... wrote: > > In a message dated 1/2/08 8:36:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, > cathykush@... writes: > > > > have the > > ability to distinguish between the breath of healthy patients and > > those with lung and breast cancers too. > > Dogs recognize fear through the breath so if you are around a dog that you > feel afraid of and want to overcome it, suck on a mint..they dog will not know > you are afraid. > > I have smelled changes in odor in my dogs when they had cancer. Dogs have a > much more developed sense of smell than we do so they can certainly recognize > chemical changes in a person. > > > ************************************** > See AOL's > top rated recipes > (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2008 Report Share Posted January 4, 2008 Barbara, Sorry for any confusion over this topic. I trust this will clarify things some: When a dog first smells melanoma, (and note that we are not at all talking about cancer in general, but melanoma, specifically), it is almost a certainty that no human being will yet be able to detect any odor from it. Dogs have a tremendously better olfactory ability than human beings. A member or members have said that " a dog can tell when its owner has cancer, " and that may or may not be so, in my opinion. But in this case, we are talking about what I take to be special dogs that have been trained to exhibit specialized behavior when they detect that a mole or a growth on a person is a melanoma. With regard to your question, " What does cancer smell like? " I can tell you that by the time the odor of cancer is detectable to the human sense of smell, it has a terrible odor, and is far advanced. My wife used to be a radiation technician, and she has told me of some of the women who sought treatment for breast cancer long after they should have... Suffice to say that the best time to treat melanoma is when it is detectable by a trained dog, but not by any human being. Best wishes, Elliot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 > I think I stay confused Elliot, I have so many questions but don't have the time to be on here as much as I'd like to be. I understand, the dogs sense of smell is greater than ours. Barbara Barbara, > > Sorry for any confusion over this topic. I trust this will clarify > things some: > > When a dog first smells melanoma, (and note that we are not at all > talking about cancer in general, but melanoma, specifically), it is > almost a certainty that no human being will yet be able to detect any > odor from it. Dogs have a tremendously better olfactory ability than > human beings. > > A member or members have said that " a dog can tell when its owner has > cancer, " and that may or may not be so, in my opinion. But in this > case, we are talking about what I take to be special dogs that have > been trained to exhibit specialized behavior when they detect that a > mole or a growth on a person is a melanoma. > > With regard to your question, " What does cancer smell like? " I can > tell you that by the time the odor of cancer is detectable to the > human sense of smell, it has a terrible odor, and is far advanced. My > wife used to be a radiation technician, and she has told me of some > of the women who sought treatment for breast cancer long after they > should have... > > Suffice to say that the best time to treat melanoma is when it is > detectable by a trained dog, but not by any human being. > > Best wishes, > > Elliot > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 Dogs have already proven themselves detecting bladder cancer with a very high degree of accuracy...... and that is an internal cancer. However, while this is much less invasive, I suspect the same amount of invasive efforts will take place once the dogs indicate an existing cancer. Joe C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 There are dog trainers in Tennessee. I believe any dog can be trained. The stories are just amazing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 I was reading an Indian website and according to them, it is really easy to test cancer with not much ado as in the West. Wheter man or woman, have a pregnancy test, if it is positive for a woman, it is either you are pregnant or have cancer. For men, if it is positive, you definitely have cancer. So like the dog sniffing test, biopsy is now obsolete. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 In a message dated 1/5/08 12:19:33 AM Eastern Standard Time, @... writes: > There are dog trainers in Tennessee. I believe any dog > can be trained Actually that's not true..it's a gift..not all dogs have it. ************** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 In a message dated 1/5/08 12:34:04 AM Eastern Standard Time, @... writes: > Wheter man or woman, have a pregnancy > test, if it is positive for a woman, it is either you > are pregnant or have cancer. For men, if it is > positive, you definitely have cancer. > So..that would mean that menapausal women who test positive on a pregnancy test have cancer? Where is the data for this? Is this for all cancers? Is this an old wives tale or have some science behind it? ************** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 , for what it's worth, the dog-sniffing tests are nowhere near 100% accurate. I did a search and was not able to find any really recent news, but I did see that in 2004, using dogs to detect bladder cancer was only 41% accurate. Researchers were trying to build on what the dogs had done to see if they could develop instruments that would detect the odors the dogs were sensing. From what I have read, the pregnancy test is nowhere near 100%, nor does begin to apply to all cancers. We can hardly say " biopsy is obsolete. " Even if, say, a non- invasive technique appears to have detected breast cancer, the doctor may well feel it necessary to do more tests so as to determine exactly what type of breast cancer it is. The same would be true for Non- Hodgkins lymphomas and many other types of cancer. On the other hand, mainstream cancer detection systems are not 100%, either. I am not sure how often they are wrong, but because they are so often right, when they are wrong, they tend to put a person through some real nightmares. My wife and I know a woman who the doctors first gave a positive result, then a negative, then a positive and then again a negative! Elliot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 There was an article around a month or a month and a half ago. In Tennessee they trained dogs to smell the urine of people. The dogs will tell which urine has cancer. Another woman in this same article had a dog who kept scratching the mole on her leg and tried to bite it, trying to take it away. She went to the doctor to find out why her dog has been licking and trying to rid of the mole, after the test it was shown to be cancerous. They do not have to go to each individual to smell for cancer. Urine will do. Even if they switch containers around to confuse the dog, the dog would still know which urine had cancer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 Go to this website and read about dogs detecting cancer. http://www.cnn.com/2006/HEALTH/conditions/02/06/cohen.dogcancerdetect/index.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 The biopsy NEEDS to be obsolete. It penetrates and opens the cancer and and causes cancer cells to spread through the surrounding tissues and bloodstream. If doctors were really scientific they would not do things to make the patient worse. Then if there is a false diagnosis of benign and nothing is done, which happens, the cancer that has been opened proceeds to spread throughout the surrounding tissue and becomes a BIG tumor instead of a small contained tumor. I read a medical study once concerning false negative biopsies and incomplete removal of supposedly benign tumors, and 50% were dead within 5 years from metastases. The doctors are too stupid to do follow-up and recognize their mistakes. They fall down in reporting and analyzing treatments. They don't correct the body ecology that allowed the cancer to grow in the first place. The Budwig protocol hopefully does that, though it prohibits anti-oxidants. I think I remember you taking anti-oxidants Elliot, so maybe you disagree with their position. I also wonder about B12 longterm and other nutrients on the BP if the diet doesn't contain enough minerals and vitamins. I guess the juicing and nutritional yeast that is supposed to be providing these things would have to be carried out rigorously. On Jan 5, 2008, at 8:21 AM, breathedeepnow wrote: > We can hardly say " biopsy is obsolete. " Even if, say, a non- > invasive technique appears to have detected breast cancer, the doctor > may well feel it necessary to do more tests so as to determine exactly > what type of breast cancer it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2008 Report Share Posted January 6, 2008 Barbara I think it really depends on how fast cancer takes to develop. Even babies can get cancer. They are not even one year old. I think what this means is that the body will " degenerate " for ten years and then cancer will appear. It can take a short time or a long time. Gb > > What does cancer smell like does anyone know? I have had bad breath > for so long! It's not my teeth, I do have sinusitus that smells > really bad. But now I wonder just what type of odor does cancer > produce? I've read that it takes at least ten years for cancer to > develope, one Dr. told me about my brother in law that he had this > cancer for twenty years but yet he (my brother in law)about it. > Barbara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2008 Report Share Posted January 6, 2008 I was listening to NPR yesterday. They said Dr. Califano ( son of former HEW cabinet secretary) of s Hopkins said they are developing a saliva test that recognizes compounds from cancer. The results are given in 4 hours. GB \ > > I was reading an Indian website and according to them, > it is really easy to test cancer with not much ado as > in the West. Wheter man or woman, have a pregnancy > test, if it is positive for a woman, it is either you > are pregnant or have cancer. For men, if it is > positive, you definitely have cancer. > > So like the dog sniffing test, biopsy is now obsolete. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2008 Report Share Posted January 6, 2008 This is true Gb, babies do get cancer. Drs. aren't always right! Barbara **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2008 Report Share Posted January 6, 2008 Elliot, There is a Dr. L. Bard in NYC who does POWER DOPPLER which can see very well the cancer and even tell if the prostate has cancer or BPH. His machine is totally different from the colored doppler sonogram that is used in Arizona. The POWER DOPPLER according to HIS website is more accurate. http://www.cancerscan.com is his website. Have you heard of HIFU? What do you think about it? It is non invasive and raises temperature in the area where cancer is to kill cancer cells, if i understood it right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2008 Report Share Posted January 6, 2008 And what does this have to do with a Melanoma-Sniffing Dog? Just curious. Just wondering why subjects aren't changed to match the discussion. Rick [Moderator's Note: Ideally, member's should change the wording of the subject line to match the content of their message. Thanks for reminding everyone, Rick. If the new topic is related to the topic of the old thread, a slash like this / can be used and the word " was " between the words of the new topic and the old one. For example, the post below would be " Power Doppler/was:Melanoma-sniffing dogs " ] melly banagale wrote: Elliot, There is a Dr. L. Bard in NYC who does POWER DOPPLER which can see very well the cancer and even tell if the prostate has cancer or BPH. His machine is totally different from the colored doppler sonogram that is used in Arizona. The POWER DOPPLER according to HIS website is more accurate. http://www.cancerscan.com is his website. Have you heard of HIFU? What do you think about it? It is non invasive and raises temperature in the area where cancer is to kill cancer cells, if i understood it right. --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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