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In a message dated 1/2/08 8:36:06 PM Eastern Standard Time,

cathykush@... writes:

> have the

> ability to distinguish between the breath of healthy patients and

> those with lung and breast cancers too.

Dogs recognize fear through the breath so if you are around a dog that you

feel afraid of and want to overcome it, suck on a mint..they dog will not know

you are afraid.

I have smelled changes in odor in my dogs when they had cancer. Dogs have a

much more developed sense of smell than we do so they can certainly recognize

chemical changes in a person.

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In a message dated 1/2/08 9:08:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, aug20@...

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> It might be cheaper for a group of senior citizens, say a dozen of

> them, to invest in one of these dogs than to have a dermatologist

> excise every little spot they develop " just in case " it's cancer:

>

>

> I would love to see groups of people led by a research student working on

> his PHD, leading these groups all over the country. I would definitely get

> involved in some way as one of my passions in life is dogs. I have been a

> facilitator in many areas of canine/community interaction.

>

>

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I've just been watching a DVD on which a scientist-researcher says

there are now dogs trained to recognize melanomas by their odor. They

can apparently even tell that a normal-looking mole either is a

melanoma or is has turned into a melanoma. Any time one of these dogs

recognizes one of these moles and it is biopsied, it turns out to be a

melanoma. Has anyone else heard about such a phenomenon?

Elliot

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From June 2003

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2003/06/01/CM3\

8469.DTL

One of the touted leaders of the cancer-detection pack was a standard poodle

named Shing Ling-hua, who worked as a therapy dog at the Pine Street Chinese

Benevolent Association in San Anselmo and had been trained to try to detect

cancer by smelling tubes containing breath samples of people with early- stage

breast or lung cancer.

Spirited, happy and self-possessed, Shing Ling was said to be 90 percent

successful in detecting tumors, according to the association's directors. She

died earlier this year, leaving a void at the clinic and cutting short an

apparently auspicious cancer-sniffing career.

" Shing Ling showed that you can train a dog to smell stage-one cancer, " contends

Broffman, co-founder and director of the Pine Street clinic and Shing

Ling's owner. " Once the concept is proven, which is what we did with Shing Ling,

you can go into the next phase, involving more dogs. We need to do this because

people could argue that Shing Ling was unusual and had a special talent for

this. "

The next phase began in mid-May, when Polish researcher Tadeusz Jezierski

arrived in San Anselmo to direct a five-month clinical study to determine the

ability of a handful of dogs of different breeds and ages to sniff out lung and

breast cancer.

From: arlynsg

My dermatologist from the early 80's is one of the doctors who was spearheading

this. But it isn't new. I first read about his efforts more than 10 years ago, I

think

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What does cancer smell like does anyone know? I have had bad breath

for so long! It's not my teeth, I do have sinusitus that smells

really bad. But now I wonder just what type of odor does cancer

produce? I've read that it takes at least ten years for cancer to

develope, one Dr. told me about my brother in law that he had this

cancer for twenty years but yet he (my brother in law)about it.

Barbara

In , szukipoo@... wrote:

>

> In a message dated 1/2/08 8:36:06 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> cathykush@... writes:

>

>

> > have the

> > ability to distinguish between the breath of healthy patients and

> > those with lung and breast cancers too.

>

> Dogs recognize fear through the breath so if you are around a dog

that you

> feel afraid of and want to overcome it, suck on a mint..they dog

will not know

> you are afraid.

>

> I have smelled changes in odor in my dogs when they had cancer.

Dogs have a

> much more developed sense of smell than we do so they can certainly

recognize

> chemical changes in a person.

>

>

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> top rated recipes

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Barbara,

Sorry for any confusion over this topic. I trust this will clarify

things some:

When a dog first smells melanoma, (and note that we are not at all

talking about cancer in general, but melanoma, specifically), it is

almost a certainty that no human being will yet be able to detect any

odor from it. Dogs have a tremendously better olfactory ability than

human beings.

A member or members have said that " a dog can tell when its owner has

cancer, " and that may or may not be so, in my opinion. But in this

case, we are talking about what I take to be special dogs that have

been trained to exhibit specialized behavior when they detect that a

mole or a growth on a person is a melanoma.

With regard to your question, " What does cancer smell like? " I can

tell you that by the time the odor of cancer is detectable to the

human sense of smell, it has a terrible odor, and is far advanced. My

wife used to be a radiation technician, and she has told me of some

of the women who sought treatment for breast cancer long after they

should have...

Suffice to say that the best time to treat melanoma is when it is

detectable by a trained dog, but not by any human being.

Best wishes,

Elliot

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I think I stay confused Elliot, I have so many questions but don't

have the time to be on here as much as I'd like to be.

I understand, the dogs sense of smell is greater than ours.

Barbara

Barbara,

>

> Sorry for any confusion over this topic. I trust this will clarify

> things some:

>

> When a dog first smells melanoma, (and note that we are not at all

> talking about cancer in general, but melanoma, specifically), it is

> almost a certainty that no human being will yet be able to detect

any

> odor from it. Dogs have a tremendously better olfactory ability

than

> human beings.

>

> A member or members have said that " a dog can tell when its owner

has

> cancer, " and that may or may not be so, in my opinion. But in this

> case, we are talking about what I take to be special dogs that have

> been trained to exhibit specialized behavior when they detect that

a

> mole or a growth on a person is a melanoma.

>

> With regard to your question, " What does cancer smell like? " I can

> tell you that by the time the odor of cancer is detectable to the

> human sense of smell, it has a terrible odor, and is far advanced.

My

> wife used to be a radiation technician, and she has told me of some

> of the women who sought treatment for breast cancer long after they

> should have...

>

> Suffice to say that the best time to treat melanoma is when it is

> detectable by a trained dog, but not by any human being.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Elliot

>

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Dogs have already proven themselves detecting bladder cancer with a very high

degree of accuracy...... and that is an internal cancer. However, while this

is much less invasive, I suspect the same amount of invasive efforts will take

place once the dogs indicate an existing cancer.

Joe C.

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I was reading an Indian website and according to them,

it is really easy to test cancer with not much ado as

in the West. Wheter man or woman, have a pregnancy

test, if it is positive for a woman, it is either you

are pregnant or have cancer. For men, if it is

positive, you definitely have cancer.

So like the dog sniffing test, biopsy is now obsolete.

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> There are dog trainers in Tennessee. I believe any dog

> can be trained

Actually that's not true..it's a gift..not all dogs have it.

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In a message dated 1/5/08 12:34:04 AM Eastern Standard Time,

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> Wheter man or woman, have a pregnancy

> test, if it is positive for a woman, it is either you

> are pregnant or have cancer. For men, if it is

> positive, you definitely have cancer.

>

So..that would mean that menapausal women who test positive on a pregnancy

test have cancer? Where is the data for this? Is this for all cancers? Is

this an old wives tale or have some science behind it?

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, for what it's worth, the dog-sniffing tests are nowhere near

100% accurate. I did a search and was not able to find any really

recent news, but I did see that in 2004, using dogs to detect bladder

cancer was only 41% accurate. Researchers were trying to build on what

the dogs had done to see if they could develop instruments that would

detect the odors the dogs were sensing. From what I have read, the

pregnancy test is nowhere near 100%, nor does begin to apply to all

cancers. We can hardly say " biopsy is obsolete. " Even if, say, a non-

invasive technique appears to have detected breast cancer, the doctor

may well feel it necessary to do more tests so as to determine exactly

what type of breast cancer it is. The same would be true for Non-

Hodgkins lymphomas and many other types of cancer.

On the other hand, mainstream cancer detection systems are not 100%,

either. I am not sure how often they are wrong, but because they are so

often right, when they are wrong, they tend to put a person through

some real nightmares. My wife and I know a woman who the doctors first

gave a positive result, then a negative, then a positive and then again

a negative!

Elliot

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There was an article around a month or a month and a

half ago. In Tennessee they trained dogs to smell the

urine of people. The dogs will tell which urine has

cancer.

Another woman in this same article had a dog who kept

scratching the mole on her leg and tried to bite it,

trying to take it away. She went to the doctor to

find out why her dog has been licking and trying to

rid of the mole, after the test it was shown to be

cancerous.

They do not have to go to each individual to smell for

cancer. Urine will do. Even if they switch

containers around to confuse the dog, the dog would

still know which urine had cancer.

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The biopsy NEEDS to be obsolete. It penetrates and opens the cancer

and and causes cancer cells to spread through the surrounding tissues

and bloodstream. If doctors were really scientific they would not do

things to make the patient worse. Then if there is a false diagnosis

of benign and nothing is done, which happens, the cancer that has been

opened proceeds to spread throughout the surrounding tissue and becomes

a BIG tumor instead of a small contained tumor. I read a medical study

once concerning false negative biopsies and incomplete removal of

supposedly benign tumors, and 50% were dead within 5 years from

metastases. The doctors are too stupid to do follow-up and recognize

their mistakes. They fall down in reporting and analyzing treatments.

They don't correct the body ecology that allowed the cancer to grow in

the first place. The Budwig protocol hopefully does that, though it

prohibits anti-oxidants. I think I remember you taking anti-oxidants

Elliot, so maybe you disagree with their position. I also wonder about

B12 longterm and other nutrients on the BP if the diet doesn't contain

enough minerals and vitamins. I guess the juicing and nutritional

yeast that is supposed to be providing these things would have to be

carried out rigorously.

On Jan 5, 2008, at 8:21 AM, breathedeepnow wrote:

> We can hardly say " biopsy is obsolete. " Even if, say, a non-

> invasive technique appears to have detected breast cancer, the doctor

> may well feel it necessary to do more tests so as to determine exactly

> what type of breast cancer it is.

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Barbara

I think it really depends on how fast cancer takes to develop. Even

babies can get cancer. They are not even one year old. I think what

this means is that the body will " degenerate " for ten years and then

cancer will appear. It can take a short time or a long time.

Gb

>

> What does cancer smell like does anyone know? I have had bad breath

> for so long! It's not my teeth, I do have sinusitus that smells

> really bad. But now I wonder just what type of odor does cancer

> produce? I've read that it takes at least ten years for cancer to

> develope, one Dr. told me about my brother in law that he had this

> cancer for twenty years but yet he (my brother in law)about it.

> Barbara

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I was listening to NPR yesterday. They said Dr. Califano ( son of

former HEW cabinet secretary) of s Hopkins said they are

developing a saliva test that recognizes compounds from cancer. The

results are given in 4 hours.

GB

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>

> I was reading an Indian website and according to them,

> it is really easy to test cancer with not much ado as

> in the West. Wheter man or woman, have a pregnancy

> test, if it is positive for a woman, it is either you

> are pregnant or have cancer. For men, if it is

> positive, you definitely have cancer.

>

> So like the dog sniffing test, biopsy is now obsolete.

>

>

>

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Elliot,

There is a Dr. L. Bard in NYC who does POWER

DOPPLER which can see very well the cancer and even

tell if the prostate has cancer or BPH. His machine

is totally different from the colored doppler sonogram

that is used in Arizona. The POWER DOPPLER according

to HIS website is more accurate.

http://www.cancerscan.com is his website.

Have you heard of HIFU? What do you think about it?

It is non invasive and raises temperature in the area

where cancer is to kill cancer cells, if i understood

it right.

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And what does this have to do with a Melanoma-Sniffing Dog? Just curious. Just

wondering why subjects aren't changed to match the discussion. Rick

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reminding everyone, Rick. If the new topic is related to the topic

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melly banagale wrote:

Elliot,

There is a Dr. L. Bard in NYC who does POWER

DOPPLER which can see very well the cancer and even

tell if the prostate has cancer or BPH. His machine

is totally different from the colored doppler sonogram

that is used in Arizona. The POWER DOPPLER according

to HIS website is more accurate.

http://www.cancerscan.com is his website.

Have you heard of HIFU? What do you think about it?

It is non invasive and raises temperature in the area

where cancer is to kill cancer cells, if i understood

it right.

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