Mexican Clinic

[Guest guest]

I've decided (tentatively) on going to the San Diego clinic. The cost is

astronomical but only because his treatment is so long but I think I need the

longer treatment. I am at stage 4 breast cancer. A Dr. told me it is not wise

to go to an outpatient clinic due being stage 4 and that I should be in a

hospital setting. I only have a 3 cm bone met in my underarm. A tiny spot on

my hip and lung. Does anyone know of anything dangerous about me going to an

outpatient clinic? I'm in excellent health, the rib is getting a tiny bit of

pain but hardly noticeable. I feel great too. I've not had chemo or rad.

Also, does anyone know the hours they work on you at the San Diego Clinic? Is

it 8 - 2 as that Dr. pointed out?

Louise

[Guest guest]

Please tell us if you get cured

>

> I've decided (tentatively) on going to the San Diego clinic. The cost is

astronomical but only because his treatment is so long but I think I need the

longer treatment. I am at stage 4 breast cancer. A Dr. told me it is not wise

to go to an outpatient clinic due being stage 4 and that I should be in a

hospital setting. I only have a 3 cm bone met in my underarm. A tiny spot on

my hip and lung. Does anyone know of anything dangerous about me going to an

outpatient clinic? I'm in excellent health, the rib is getting a tiny bit of

pain but hardly noticeable. I feel great too. I've not had chemo or rad.

>

> Also, does anyone know the hours they work on you at the San Diego Clinic? Is

it 8 - 2 as that Dr. pointed out?

>

> Louise

>

[Guest guest]

From what some of have learned, The San Diego Clinic is one of the lower cost

but more highly recommended clinics. Leonard may have more input about this

clinic but I have spoken to a couple of people that thought their stay there was

as good as it gets and that the staff was especially kind and proficient. Then

again I understand that certain clinics are more tuned into certain situations

but I cannot speak to that because I don't have enough information.

As for any " danger " ? Some conventional physicians would be expected to make

that kind of statement but the mere going to The San Diego Clinic is not

dangerous in itself. Whether they can help is another issue but that was your

decision and you must have had a reason. The word " astronomical " means

different things to different people and I suppose the fact no insurance

coverage would be involved makes it " astronomical " and isn't that a sad

commentary on Health-Care?

Joe C.

I've decided (tentatively) on going to the San Diego clinic. The cost is

astronomical but only because his treatment is so long but I think I need the

longer treatment. I am at stage 4 breast cancer. A Dr. told me it is not wise to

go to an outpatient clinic due being stage 4 and that I should be in a hospital

setting. I only have a 3 cm bone met in my underarm. A tiny spot on my hip and

lung. Does anyone know of anything dangerous about me going to an outpatient

clinic? I'm in excellent health, the rib is getting a tiny bit of pain but

hardly noticeable. I feel great too. I've not had chemo or rad.

Also, does anyone know the hours they work on you at the San Diego Clinic? Is it

8 - 2 as that Dr. pointed out?

Louise

[Guest guest]

You are right Joe. I live in Canada and our Gov't won't kick in a nickel. I am

assuming it will cost well over $30,000. If the quote I got from a 3rd party is

correct, it'll be $58,000 but hopefully I'll be able to talk to the clinic

today. If they cure me that's cheap. They are hard to get in touch with.

Louise

Sent wirelessly from my BlackBerry device on the Bell network.

Envoyé sans fil par mon terminal mobile BlackBerry sur le réseau de Bell.

Re: [ ] Mexican Clinic

From what some of have learned, The San Diego Clinic is one of the lower cost

but more highly recommended clinics. Leonard may have more input about this

clinic but I have spoken to a couple of people that thought their stay there was

as good as it gets and that the staff was especially kind and proficient. Then

again I understand that certain clinics are more tuned into certain situations

but I cannot speak to that because I don't have enough information.

As for any " danger " ? Some conventional physicians would be expected to make

that kind of statement but the mere going to The San Diego Clinic is not

dangerous in itself. Whether they can help is another issue but that was your

decision and you must have had a reason. The word " astronomical " means

different things to different people and I suppose the fact no insurance

coverage would be involved makes it " astronomical " and isn't that a sad

commentary on Health-Care?

Joe C.

I've decided (tentatively) on going to the San Diego clinic. The cost is

astronomical but only because his treatment is so long but I think I need the

longer treatment. I am at stage 4 breast cancer. A Dr. told me it is not wise to

go to an outpatient clinic due being stage 4 and that I should be in a hospital

setting. I only have a 3 cm bone met in my underarm. A tiny spot on my hip and

lung. Does anyone know of anything dangerous about me going to an outpatient

clinic? I'm in excellent health, the rib is getting a tiny bit of pain but

hardly noticeable. I feel great too. I've not had chemo or rad.

Also, does anyone know the hours they work on you at the San Diego Clinic? Is it

8 - 2 as that Dr. pointed out?

Louise

[Guest guest]

Check out Camelot in Tulsa

On Feb 6, 2010, at 7:41 AM, missnoname37@... wrote:

You are right Joe. I live in Canada and our Gov't won't kick in a nickel. I am

assuming it will cost well over $30,000. If the quote I got from a 3rd party is

correct, it'll be $58,000 but hopefully I'll be able to talk to the clinic

today. If they cure me that's cheap. They are hard to get in touch with.

Louise

[Guest guest]

Can someone translate this for me? I've googled it but it just keeps bringing

up sites with similar diagnosis.

Myltiple bilateral hypermetabolic hilar lymph nodes present (SUV max 6.7).

There is a new pulmonary nodule in the medial aspect of the lingula (5mm).

The subcentimeter subpleural nodule in the anterolateral aspect of the left

lower lobe has slightly increased in size (6mm vs. 4mm). The lungs are

otherwise clear. There is no pleural effusion.

I think SUV above 6 would be intense FDG uptake. I am getting a bit of pain in

the lower left lung.

I would say the cryoablation I had in October/09, which I paid $30,000 USD, was

a complete failure. He did 4 tumors, 2 are unchanged, 1 is shrinking and FDG

uptake was halved, and the axilla, which he was not confident about is much

worse than the Aug/09 PET scan.

Louise

[Guest guest]

I have called Camelot. I actually spoke with one of the Dr.'s on staff and

asked what their success rate was. The Dr. (can't remember if male or female as

was a year or so ago), said they did not know as they don't follow up with their

patients. The Dr. also said they'd mentioned this problem to the owner but the

owner refused to do this. I told them based on that I'd not go to their clinic.

Louise

[Guest guest]

I was looking at this clinic www.natureworksbest.com in AZ and they do IV DMSO,

VIT C and Cesium Chloride as well as other things. The thing I was impressed

with was that she said she has worked with 50 cancer paitents and only lost 3 in

3.5 years. No reoccurances with the rest. It will take a while (which makes

more sense to me than 2-3 weeks) and you will need to move temporarily. I

called them and they said it usually takes 4.5 months to rid most people of

active cancer and another 1.5 months of follow up and tapering off of IV.

General quote of $16,000. If I lived in the states I would seriously consider

this place. I don't know anyone who has been there though. They just seem to

take the whole person on and did a more through approach than others I have

looked at.

natalie

>

> I have called Camelot. I actually spoke with one of the Dr.'s on staff and

asked what their success rate was. The Dr. (can't remember if male or female as

was a year or so ago), said they did not know as they don't follow up with their

patients. The Dr. also said they'd mentioned this problem to the owner but the

owner refused to do this. I told them based on that I'd not go to their clinic.

>

> Louise

>

[Guest guest]

Please have your dental checked for any metals and have them replaced. Your

mercury fillings, bridges, crowns, and root canals, this will stop cancer growth

and you will live.

I went to a clinic in Mexico, received Chelation and Vitamin B-17 IVs 20 each

and then 8 IVs of Wobe Mugos Enzyme

Go to my site http://hksjr.com/my_story.htm

Good Luck,

Harvey

hschwert@...

From:

Sent: Feb 6, 2010

I was looking at this clinic www.natureworksbest.com in AZ and they do IV DMSO,

VIT C and Cesium Chloride as well as other things. The thing I was impressed

with was that she said she has worked with 50 cancer paitents and only lost 3 in

3.5 years. No reoccurances with the rest. It will take a while (which makes more

sense to me than 2-3 weeks) and you will need to move temporarily. I called them

and they said it usually takes 4.5 months to rid most people of active cancer

and another 1.5 months of follow up and tapering off of IV. General quote of

$16,000. If I lived in the states I would seriously consider this place. I don't

know anyone who has been there though. They just seem to take the whole person

on and did a more through approach than others I have looked at.

natalie

[Guest guest]

HI

I am writing to provide alternatives for assistance and evidence based

treatments and therapies.

For those of you these clinics may be less expensive than what was quoted in

Mexico and the selenium process at his clinics does work and the following

results of treatment with patients is on the web sites:  Dr. Forsythe.

Go to these site for information about his clinics at:

http://www.cancure.org/dr_forsythe.htm

The web address for the video is at: www.cancerhopecenter.com

There is also a research center  which had excellent results with rare strains

of medicinal mushrooms.  The web site is at:

http://www.pegasusbp.org/id19.html. The cost would be less than $700 a month and

total remission has occurred in one to four months so far with stage four cancer

patients.

Best regards

[Guest guest]

Thank , I called them but you have to go to their center for your

consult. They don't consult over the phone unfortunately.

Louise

>

> I was looking at this clinic www.natureworksbest.com in AZ and they do IV

DMSO, VIT C and Cesium Chloride as well as other things. The thing I was

impressed with was that she said she has worked with 50 cancer paitents and only

lost 3 in 3.5 years. No reoccurances with the rest. It will take a while

(which makes more sense to me than 2-3 weeks) and you will need to move

temporarily. I called them and they said it usually takes 4.5 months to rid

most people of active cancer and another 1.5 months of follow up and tapering

off of IV. General quote of $16,000. If I lived in the states I would

seriously consider this place. I don't know anyone who has been there though.

They just seem to take the whole person on and did a more through approach than

others I have looked at.

> natalie

[Guest guest]

Thanks Harvey, what clinic did you go to?

Has anyone been to Issels. Their testimonials and statistics posted on there

web page is impressive. Mrs. Issels called me and I spoke to her for a bit.

I have my consult with the San Diego Clinic on Monday.

Louise

>

> Please have your dental checked for any metals and have them replaced. Your

mercury fillings, bridges, crowns, and root canals, this will stop cancer growth

and you will live.

> I went to a clinic in Mexico, received Chelation and Vitamin B-17 IVs 20 each

and then 8 IVs of Wobe Mugos Enzyme

> Go to my site http://hksjr.com/my_story.htm

> Good Luck,

> Harvey

> hschwert@...

>

[Guest guest]

If the San Diego clinic is the Livingston-Wheeler one then please read this

assessment:

 

1. The Livingstone Wheeler Foundation Medical Center, San Diego, California

The Livingstone -Wheeler (L-W) clinic offers vaccines and other measures

purported to enhance  immunity to a pleomorphic bacterium believed to be the

cause of cancer.  BCG vaccine is used along with a multifaceted treatment

program:  vegetarian diet, vitamins, antioxidants, detoxification, nutritional

counselling, support groups.  Patients are monitored with tests of immune

function and vitamin levels. 

The five year survival rate (5YSR) was determined for 193 patients with various

types and stages of cancer patients treated during the year 1992.    Only 10

were lost to follow up. Patient documentation was excellent.  This clinic shows

what alternative practitioners could provide in the way of information if they

cared to.

Only 28 patients out of 193 were found to be still alive five years later,

giving a five-year survival rate (5YSR) of 14.5%.    Livingstone-Wheeler's

claims are immediately refuted.

Does the treatment improve cancer survival at all?    Here is some additional

information to help you  decide.  

The results look not too bad when you consider that about half (101) of the

patients presented to the clinic with metastatic cancers  (stage IV). 

On the other hand, only eight of  those with metastases survived five years.  

These were all in cancers that have significant five year survivals naturally or

with the conventional treatments also used by most patients.   Three   (out of

25 = 12%) had metastatic breast cancer which normally has about a 15% or more

5YSR.  Three ( out of 9 =33%) had metastatic prostate cancer,  which is renowned

for usually being slowly progressive and hormonally sensitive, with a 5YSR of

about 30%.   The remaining two patients had a cystadenocarcinoma of the ovary

and non-Hodgkin's lymphoma. They also have low grade variants with substantial

natural five year survival.

Equally disappointing is that  there were no 5 year survivors in 31 cases of 

metastatic lung and colorectal cancer.  This is also normal experience.  These

results suggest that the L-W treatment does not materially prolong survival with

metastatic cancers.    

What about the 20 other patients who survived five years?    We are not advised

directly what kind of cancer these patients had, but they are drawn from 93

patients of which 15 had only " localised disease " (presumably stage I).    30

had " regional disease " e.g. presumably mostly stage II (meaning lymph node

involvement).  Stage  II cancers of the breast, colon and other organs have 

substantial five year survivals naturally.  Eight had " no evidence of

disease " .   I am not sure what this means but it suggests a reasonable

prognosis.   14 had unknown disease stage.   

 A 20-25% survival rate in such a mixture of patients is no better  than  that

expected from the conventional treatments these patients also received, or

received before arriving at the clinic.

Poor results within alternative cancer practice are often defended by the claim

that the patients have more advanced cancers.   That cannot be a major influence

here.   87% of patients attended the L-W clinic within one year of diagnosis or

staging.

My Verdict:  The L-W treatment either has no beneficial effect on cancer

survival, or an effect too small to be detected by such small uncontrolled (no

comparison group) studies     Livingstone-Wheeler's claims are not

supported.    

[Guest guest]

The San Diego Clinic (in Tijuana) is not the Livingston-Wheeler

Clinic in San Diego which faded away many years ago with the death of

Virginia Livingston-Wheeler. They were never related and have very

different therapies. Virginia Livingston was something of a pioneer

in the nineteen fifties, sixties, and seventies with her hCG cancer

vaccine. I do have copies of all her protocols which I obtained from

Suzanne Henig who helped ghostwrite her books.

The San Diego Clinic (SDC) first opened about 1990 with Len Sands as

the medical director. At that time I was medical director of the

Manner clinic and I shifted over to the SDC to help develop

protocols. Len funded much of my research in novel conjugate

vaccines. Len died about 12 years ago and Filiberto Munoz took over

as medical director.

There were many time-consuming changes made at the border crossing

beginning 9/11/2001. I lived in the US and my lab was in the US so

routine crossing of the border became untenable. I set up the

non-profit Center for the Study of Natural Oncology in Del Mar -- a

coastal resort town north of San Diego. We were privately funded by

the Parks Foundation until three years ago. At that time I set up

the associated Mango Retreat Program which is a live-in intensive

program for cancer patients to quickly track down their best options

and then start on them. We maintain our loose association with the

San Diego Clinic and also with many other integrative clinics,

clinicians, and researchers throughout the world. Each Monday

morning I take my program participants to the SDC for consultations,

blood tests, and perhaps certain prescriptions. The remainder of the

one-week program is in held at our retreat center in Del Mar, California.

I hope this clears up a few questions.

At 12:39 PM 2/6/2010, you wrote:

>

>If the San Diego clinic is the Livingston-Wheeler one then please

>read this assessment:

[Guest guest]

Now you know that San Diego clinic is not the one written of supposedly having

such horrendous results. My question: Who provided the actual report of the

Livingston organization?

I do not know anything about that organization so I do not attempt to defend it

here. However, most of us already know that people going to Mexican Clinics

are often, if not most often, already advanced cases. After reading the

report of the Australian Oncologists, which report was pretty much buried in The

States, we learned that these Oncologists stated, " We have to do something else

because this isn't working " referring to Chemotherapy.

They went on to state that the actual benefit, at best, was approximately 2% and

it was almost the same in America as it was in Australia.

We face a difficult decision when approaching a protocol or a clinic because

most of us 'fly by the seats of our pants' and do not have enough information or

knowledge. One of the posts spoke highly of an organization but only because

it " seemed " good.......or I guess, sounded good.

Bernie Madoff's schemes sounded good to investors too.

I often say, work with someone that knows what works and what doesn't and by

that, I don't mean " works all the time' because nothing does but there are some

things that do not work at all and someone needs to tell us this so we avoid the

time-wasted, the money invested, and the potential faced.

When I suggest people contact I do so from my own and the experience of

others I have spoken to. What impressed me the most was when I suggested to

him I wanted to visit a Mexican Clinic during a Cross-Country driving trip and

he advised, " I don't think you need that at this time " .

It was later I learned he was directly connected with The San Diego Clinic and

made things for them. Imagine these days of monetary gain being uppermost in

people's minds this fellow pushed business away? Prior to that he made

suggestions, in a general way, wisely, because he really did not know me or my

condition and when we met him on his office day off, he devoted more than an

hour of his time, freely, with no thought of my becoming a client of his. Thos

suggestions were the 'true and tried' protocols, not sensational off-the-wall

types.

During the 'good-old-days' when the Center was funded by The Parks Foundation,

they were even more generous but nobody can survive without money to pay the

bills, the help, and all the other things that go with money, certainly not keep

an expensive lab functioning.

Just the other day suggested to someone that he did not think his

program was fit for the person's husband at this time. This is what we need,

not some 'sound-good' pitch. We get that from The Shopping Network all the

time. We need to do our due diligence, keeping our minds open but not so open

our brains fall out.

Joe C.

[Guest guest]

It would be nice if the clinics posted their results on their websites and not

just testimonials. I investigated 2 more clinics: Issels in Mexico and Dr.

Forsyth in Reno. Everything I read looks great but not too many recommend them.

This is my last shot, financially and physically. I feel like I'm swimming

around in the dark investigating these clinics.

Louise

From: " Joe Castron "

Now you know that San Diego clinic is not the one written of supposedly having

such horrendous results. My question: Who provided the actual report of the

Livingston organization?

I do not know anything about that organization so I do not attempt to defend it

here...........

[Guest guest]

Issels in Mexico is good and has impressive testimonials for leiomyosarcoma,

osteosarcoma, and AML leukemia, but is extremely expensive (and overpriced for

what they offer).

I think CHIPSA.com (also very expensive) and

www.hufeland.com

offer most of what Issels offers and more.

I have a mixed impression of Dr. Forsythe. He has some good treatments, and I'd

consider getting treatment from him (only) if I lived in Reno.

Leonard

[Guest guest]

Harvey: More power to you. How inspiring and thanks for sharing your account.

[Guest guest]

Interesting.

What have you been diagnosed with?

When?

What is your age?

Subjective state of health?

You medicating with ozone?

Since when?

Before and after health status, and transition length of time.

How (generation modality, etc)?

What dosage (volume, method of intake, number of times per day, etc.)?

Additional details greatly appreciated?

MikeM

Ninja Lyme Fighter wrote:

ozone is the most potent anti-aging protocol out there.

it reverses all the degenerative conditions now mostly attributed to old age,

like dementia, alzheimer, parkinson, arthritis, cardiovascular problems, heart

problems, it rejuvenates the skin, cleanses the liver, the blood, the lymph,

athletes report about shorter recovery time, no muscle pain after work out. i

speak from experience. ever since i started doing ozone people keep telling me

how amazing my skin looks. i work out at the gym regularly but don't remember

the last time my muscles hurt afterwards.

for more information on ozone:

o3center.org

do you have any experience with ozone?

[Guest guest]

I've finally decided. I did not take the San Diego Clinic. I can't seem to

get Dr. Munoz to call me back. I've spoken with his receptionist 3 times and

she said he'd call but hasn't yet. I spoke with Issels, Stella Maris Clinic,

Hufeland Klinik (Germany), Dr. Forsythe (Century Wellness, Reno NV) and

BioScience Research (Mexico).

My main criteria for deciding was whether they had a statistic on the recovery

rate of their stage 4 patients. The only clinic that held such statistic was

Dr. Forsythe. He did a " food " study, not FDA study on 250 patients over 2.5

years. After the end of 2.5 years 70% of his stage 4 patients were alive. It

has now been 4.5 years since that study and all of those patients are still

alive. If anyone wants to look up their study, google PolyMVA and Dr.

Forsythe. There are a lot of references. Their success rate on breast cancer

alone was about 75 - 78 %. Most of the participants in the study had failed

chemo/rad. I am hoping that it's not false hope that the fact I've refused

chemo/rad that my chances of partial or full recovery are better. The results

of this study got the FDA's attention and they've shown interest in studying it

as well.

The cost of his treatment is $20,000 for 3 weeks plus the cost of Chemo (low

dose). They do not charge to administer the chemo. They also send your blood

to Germany to do the chemo sensitivity test. Their treatment lasts about 2 - 5

hours a day. He also sends us home with PolyMVA. He told me it can take as

long as 6 weeks after treatment for the treatment to start to work. That part

makes me nervous as I've been through so many unsuccessful treatments. His

treatment is focussed as well on good nutrition.

I am renting a small furnished apartment for $65 a day as well. I think when I

am down there I will look for a biological dentist. I don't think he offers

that.

My appointment (start date) is Feb 18 at 11 am so we are starting our drive from

on Feb 16.

If anyone knows about his clinic or treatments, let me know ok? I'm stage 4

and this is likely my last chance.

Thanks!

Louise

[Guest guest]

Here is the website that has Dr. Forsythe's study as well as a video they ask

you to watch prior to going to the clinic:

http://www.cancerhopecenter.com/html/2_year_study.html

Louise

[Guest guest]

Louise,

I am sure we all wish you lots of luck and a successful outcome. Keep us posted

on how it goes.

Best of luck

Nili

[Guest guest]

Good luck Louise! I think this has been a really interesting thread and thanks

for involving us in the processes. I think it's important to get other peoples

opinions in this big world of cancer clinics and alternative health and it's

good to hear first hand accounts. Keep us updated. All the best for you. I

hope this is the one that helps you get a handle on the beast.

natalie

>

> I've finally decided. I did not take the San Diego Clinic. I can't seem to

get Dr. Munoz to call me back. I've spoken with his receptionist 3 times and

she said he'd call but hasn't yet. I spoke with Issels, Stella Maris Clinic,

Hufeland Klinik (Germany), Dr. Forsythe (Century Wellness, Reno NV) and

BioScience Research (Mexico).

>

> My main criteria for deciding was whether they had a statistic on the recovery

rate of their stage 4 patients. The only clinic that held such statistic was

Dr. Forsythe. He did a " food " study, not FDA study on 250 patients over 2.5

years. After the end of 2.5 years 70% of his stage 4 patients were alive. It

has now been 4.5 years since that study and all of those patients are still

alive. If anyone wants to look up their study, google PolyMVA and Dr.

Forsythe. There are a lot of references. Their success rate on breast cancer

alone was about 75 - 78 %. Most of the participants in the study had failed

chemo/rad. I am hoping that it's not false hope that the fact I've refused

chemo/rad that my chances of partial or full recovery are better. The results

of this study got the FDA's attention and they've shown interest in studying it

as well.

>

> The cost of his treatment is $20,000 for 3 weeks plus the cost of Chemo (low

dose). They do not charge to administer the chemo. They also send your blood

to Germany to do the chemo sensitivity test. Their treatment lasts about 2 - 5

hours a day. He also sends us home with PolyMVA. He told me it can take as

long as 6 weeks after treatment for the treatment to start to work. That part

makes me nervous as I've been through so many unsuccessful treatments. His

treatment is focussed as well on good nutrition.

>

> I am renting a small furnished apartment for $65 a day as well. I think when

I am down there I will look for a biological dentist. I don't think he offers

that.

>

> My appointment (start date) is Feb 18 at 11 am so we are starting our drive

from on Feb 16.

>

> If anyone knows about his clinic or treatments, let me know ok? I'm stage 4

and this is likely my last chance.

>

> Thanks!

>

> Louise

>

[Guest guest]

Because I've been so wishy-washy with my decision on clinics, I decided not to

post my decision until I actually arrived at the clinic. Previously I said I

was going to Reno to see Dr. Forsythe. I had everything arranged and at last

minute, cancelled. He has impressive statistics but I don't know how reliable

statistics are. I've been told by a few that the San Diego clinic is very good

but the cost is high. I decided to do Gammill's program in San Diego.

So I am sitting at the communal office station writing this. Yesterday we went

to Dr. Munoz's clinic, (San Diego Clinic), and I had blood drawn. Later this

week I will be told the results and the vaccines that should be effective. I

don't know if I made the right decision and none of us know until we see the

outcome. I am comfortable in the center and am more impressed with the city of

San Diego than any other city I've been to. The people are very friendly and

the city is very clean. I'd never been to Mexico and was very impressed with

that as well. Dr. Munoz seems very caring and very sincere. There was a room

full of big arm chairs with patients in them receiving an assortment of " drips " .

Nobody was talking when I walked through but that may have just been a language

barrier.

As I am stage 4, I'll have to keep a close eye on results and will likely go to

Dr. Munoz's Clinic if the results aren't quick enough. One problem I have and

as I said in Dr. Munoz's office yesterday to and Dr. Munoz, is that I

don't know if it's the programs that don't work, or me not working the programs.

I may have to put myself into a more disciplined setting like a clinic in order

to adhere to demands of any program I end up using. For now, I'll be getting

direction from and practicing the discipline I need to do it all. I am

going to give it 8 weeks. The reason I choose 8 weeks is because Dr. Munoz said

he won't treat anyone who can't give a 6 - 8 week commitment. It takes that

much time for them to see if his program works or not. Meaning they'll see

positive results in 8 weeks.

I will post on my experiences and if I notice any changes at all. For now, I

can say, my hip has quit hurting (was experiencing a tiny bit of pain) and my

rib pain has gone somewhat. The tumor in my right axilla has also gone down a

fair bit. The breast cancer is hormone receptor positive and these changes are

likely hormonal. The tumor in the left breast continues to shrink. The

shrinkage on this tumor is a result of the cryoablation I received in

October/09. (note: cryo not worth it, there's better treatments out there...).

One thing I read in a book here is that what your body craves (except stuff

proven to be bad for you) is likely just what you need. When I step out into

the sun here, it's like every cell in my exposed skin is scrambling to soak in

as many of those rays as possible. As I'm from Canada, sun is a rare commodity

in the winter. I also crave pau d'arco tea (I didn't like it when I first

tasted it). This tea is very good for cancer.

Louise

[Guest guest]

Louise, that was quite a detailed report and informative in that it supports

what others have said about Dr. Munoz and his staff.

Caring is a big part of treatment choices and being comfortable in a setting is

important. You are dealing with Stage IV but are approaching it proactively

not sitting back letting people in White Coats do all your thinking. While I

did not reach San Diego proper, I did manage to visit with in Solana

Beach, not a shabby experience either. You are correct, it is really nice in

that area. I never met Dr. Munoz but did meet with two years in a row

and when his office was closed. I am sure you find him as caring as Dr. Munoz

but I'll leave that to you to discuss. As for " it being the right decision " ,

even the results may not decide that because we do not know what result would be

elsewhere. It is pretty well established that you are dealing with people that

know what works and what doesn't........the rest is up to how our body reacts.

Be positive, keep good thoughts and visualizations and keep us informed.

As for the sun? When we are not at our best, the sun, unless it is beastly hot

out, has such an uplifting aspect. Yesterday, here in Florida, the temperature

was about 65 but it was beautifully sunny and everyone enjoyed what you are

experiencing in San Diego. It is the light and warmth giver after all.

Thanks for the update.

Joe C.

From: miznoname44

Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 12:57 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: Mexican Clinic

Because I've been so wishy-washy with my decision on clinics, I decided not to

post my decision until I actually arrived at the clinic. Previously I said I was

going to Reno to see Dr. Forsythe. I had everything arranged and at last minute,

cancelled. He has impressive statistics but I don't know how reliable statistics

are. I've been told by a few that the San Diego clinic is very good but the cost

is high. I decided to do Gammill's program in San Diego. So I am sitting

at the communal office station writing this. Yesterday we went to Dr. Munoz's

clinic, (San Diego Clinic), and I had blood drawn. Later this week I will be

told the results and the vaccines that should be effective. I don't know if I

made the right decision and none of us know until we see the outcome. I am

comfortable in the center and am more impressed with the city of San Diego than

any other city I've been to. The people are very friendly and the city is very

clean. I'd never been to Mexico and was very impressed with that as well. Dr.

Munoz seems very caring and very sincere. There was a room full of big arm

chairs with patients in them receiving an assortment of " drips " . Nobody was

talking when I walked through but that may have just been a language barrier.

As I am stage 4, I'll have to keep a close eye on results and will likely go to

Dr. Munoz's Clinic if the results aren't quick enough. One problem I have and as

I said in Dr. Munoz's office yesterday to and Dr. Munoz, is that I don't

know if it's the programs that don't work, or me not working the programs. I may

have to put myself into a more disciplined setting like a clinic in order to

adhere to demands of any program I end up using. For now, I'll be getting

direction from and practicing the discipline I need to do it all. I am

going to give it 8 weeks. The reason I choose 8 weeks is because Dr. Munoz said

he won't treat anyone who can't give a 6 - 8 week commitment. It takes that much

time for them to see if his program works or not. Meaning they'll see positive

results in 8 weeks.

I will post on my experiences and if I notice any changes at all. For now, I can

say, my hip has quit hurting (was experiencing a tiny bit of pain) and my rib

pain has gone somewhat. The tumor in my right axilla has also gone down a fair

bit. The breast cancer is hormone receptor positive and these changes are likely

hormonal. The tumor in the left breast continues to shrink. The shrinkage on

this tumor is a result of the cryoablation I received in October/09. (note: cryo

not worth it, there's better treatments out there...).

One thing I read in a book here is that what your body craves (except stuff

proven to be bad for you) is likely just what you need. When I step out into the

sun here, it's like every cell in my exposed skin is scrambling to soak in as

many of those rays as possible. As I'm from Canada, sun is a rare commodity in

the winter. I also crave pau d'arco tea (I didn't like it when I first tasted

it). This tea is very good for cancer.

Louise