Re: New Member- Estrogen + breast cancer, Looking at alternatives.

Posted March 23, 2011 · March 23, 2011

Hello ,

Welcome to the group.

Your vitamin D levels are too low. Though they are within the normal range,

it's the bottom of the range. You want to be at least above 40. Above 60 would

be better.

http://www.breastcancerchoices.org has lots of information on iodine. I did the

iodine loading test and was stunned to learn I'm low on iodine.

Check out Melatonin, as well.

Since you are on Tamoxifen, I am not sure if Calcium D-Glucarate is a good idea.

I'm still trying to get information on that. Calcium D-Glucarate helps to

eliminate excess estrogen from the body. And it is also a liver detoxifyer.

But since Tamoxifen is processed in the liver, should you also detox your liver?

I'm never too sure.

There is a book out there called " The Anti-Estrogenic Diet. " I think that's the

name. It talks about what foods to eat and what not to eat.

As to rebuilding your body after cancer treatment, you know diet is very

important. Lots of raw veggies and fruits.

Since you are stage 3, take a look at Modified Citrus Pectin. It supposedly

helps disuade distant metastasis.

Lots of people will toss out suggestions. But, unfortunately, the " kitchen

sink " approach doesn't always work because lots of compounds will counteract

each other. Your cancer center may have a Naturopath on staff who can help you

wade through all the information.

ar

>

> Hi-

> I joined this group a little while back ( heard about it on a forum) but this

is my first post. I have stage 3a IDC breast cancer. I had surgery last May, 4

months chemo and 6 weeks radiation that I completed in January. I just started

Tamoxifen 7 weeks ago and well, I'm trying to pick up the pieces and build my

body back stronger than ever. I am in overall good health considering. I'm an

athlete and have been back training for the past two months.

> My questions are what should I be doing besides the conventional medicines and

regular exercise to help make sure my cancer stays away for good? I am Estrogon

+ so concerned about that. I have been reading about Vit D levels. Mine is

currently 31 ng. Is that good or does it seem low? Hard to find a straight

answer on what is " normal " or what is ideal. Nutrition for estrogen + patients?

Iodine levels? I have looked through this group a bit but there is so much

information to weed through and I have so much to learn!

>

> Anyway, wanted to introduce myself.

>

> Thanks for reading and any suggestions welcome.

>

Posted March 23, 2011 · March 23, 2011

When I got back from Mexico after a stage iv rectal cancer diagnosis and having

the tumors gone, I needed to start on a program to keep the cancer away. I read

Knockout by Suzanne Somers and found a dr in her book who was curing cancer. I

go to Dr. in NY and have been doing the program a year, I feel better

than I have my whole life, and just had a ct scan and no sign of cancer tumors.

Of course, I know I still have cancer in my body as they have done testing to

show that and it will probably take another year of doing the supplements, detox

and enzymes.

Let me know if this is of interest to you.

I would have liked this info before I went to Mexico as they would have been

able to cure me.

Lois

From: reba17@...

Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 16:17:50 +0000

Subject: [ ] New Member- Estrogen + breast cancer, Looking at

alternatives.

Hi-

I joined this group a little while back ( heard about it on a forum) but this is

my first post. I have stage 3a IDC breast cancer. I had surgery last May, 4

months chemo and 6 weeks radiation that I completed in January. I just started

Tamoxifen 7 weeks ago and well, I'm trying to pick up the pieces and build my

body back stronger than ever. I am in overall good health considering. I'm an

athlete and have been back training for the past two months.

My questions are what should I be doing besides the conventional medicines and

regular exercise to help make sure my cancer stays away for good? I am Estrogon

+ so concerned about that. I have been reading about Vit D levels. Mine is

currently 31 ng. Is that good or does it seem low? Hard to find a straight

answer on what is " normal " or what is ideal. Nutrition for estrogen + patients?

Iodine levels? I have looked through this group a bit but there is so much

information to weed through and I have so much to learn!

Anyway, wanted to introduce myself.

Thanks for reading and any suggestions welcome.

Posted March 23, 2011 · March 23, 2011

________________________________

From: gary williams <willjo52@...>

Sent: Wed, March 23, 2011 12:31:07 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: New Member- Estrogen + breast cancer, Looking at

alternatives.

:

Many of the best doctors , consultants , healers strongly

believe that at least 80% of diseases are caused by

STRESS. I suggest , meditation , TFT, EFT emotional

freedom technique , taking herbs like Holy Basil.

, Your Health Crusader

Posted March 23, 2011 · March 23, 2011

Hi AR,

Thank you for the welcome and for the great suggestions.

I thought that seemed low. I will work on getting that up. My dr checks it now

every 3 months she said.

I will check out that website and just ordered that book ( yes that is the

name)- thanks for the tip!

Good points made about liver detoxing and tamoxifen- hmmm.

Do you know if Melatonin has any drug interactions?

I am also intrigued with this iodine level. When I asked my onc about it, she

looked at me like - why would I check that? So, yours were low...what do you do

then?

There is so much information and I'm sure I will get a whole lot of different

ideas. Now that most of my conventional treatments are over, I just want to

make sure I am staying more proactive.

I am going to look into all of your suggestions, thank you so much.

>

> Hello ,

>

> Welcome to the group.

>

> Your vitamin D levels are too low. Though they are within the normal range,

it's the bottom of the range. You want to be at least above 40. Above 60 would

be better.

>

> http://www.breastcancerchoices.org has lots of information on iodine. I did

the iodine loading test and was stunned to learn I'm low on iodine.

>

> Check out Melatonin, as well.

>

> Since you are on Tamoxifen, I am not sure if Calcium D-Glucarate is a good

idea. I'm still trying to get information on that. Calcium D-Glucarate helps

to eliminate excess estrogen from the body. And it is also a liver detoxifyer.

But since Tamoxifen is processed in the liver, should you also detox your liver?

I'm never too sure.

>

> There is a book out there called " The Anti-Estrogenic Diet. " I think that's

the name. It talks about what foods to eat and what not to eat.

>

> As to rebuilding your body after cancer treatment, you know diet is very

important. Lots of raw veggies and fruits.

>

> Since you are stage 3, take a look at Modified Citrus Pectin. It supposedly

helps disuade distant metastasis.

>

> Lots of people will toss out suggestions. But, unfortunately, the " kitchen

sink " approach doesn't always work because lots of compounds will counteract

each other. Your cancer center may have a Naturopath on staff who can help you

wade through all the information.

>

> ar

>

Posted March 23, 2011 · March 23, 2011

Hi ,

I suggest doing some googling on Melatonin. Some say it isn't good if you have

certain autoimmune diseases. But Melatonin is the hormone your body makes when

it's time to get sleepy. Low levels of Melatonin have been linked to breast

cancer.

As to iodine, I supplemented with Iodoral. I understand they are sold out right

now on the website due to people trying to protect themselves from the radiation

in Japan. Actually, it's become rather difficult to get any iodine. I stopped

supplementing years ago when I started having trouble with my eyesight - which

is a sign that I might have too much iodine. I've been meaning to retest, but

since I've been unemployed, I haven't been able to afford it.

I do suggest finding a Naturopath. Your oncologist won't know about any of this

stuff except vitamin D.

ar

Posted March 23, 2011 · March 23, 2011

Lois- thank you for your suggestion. I actually just connected with an

integrative medicine dr through my cancer center and will see how it goes. I

have limited financial resources so private dr's are sort of out.

- I would agree, stress is probably a huge factor for many- including

myself. My exercise is a big stress reliever for me.

AR- I am sorry to hear of your unemployment. Finances are a huge part for me as

well especially when trying to eat healthy and take the right supplements. I

have limited health insurance and limited

financial resources so...I do what I can. I want to use what resources I have

wisely so as not to waste them on the wrong things.

I will check with Melatonin but I have taken it before for sleeping issues. I

have not found a naturopath especially one that takes my insurance. I live in

the NYC area so I need to ask around a bit more. As I posted above to Lois- I

have an appointment with the integrative medicine dr next month.

________________________________

> From: gary williams <willjo52@...>

> Sent: Wed, March 23, 2011 >

>

> :

> Many of the best doctors , consultants , healers strongly

> believe that at least 80% of diseases are caused by

> STRESS. I suggest , meditation , TFT, EFT emotional

> freedom technique , taking herbs like Holy Basil.

> , Your Health Crusader

>

Posted March 23, 2011 · March 23, 2011

,

The integrative medicine doc might be able to take care of what you need. An ND

won't be covered by your insurance. However, if he is associated with a cancer

center, then visits are a lot cheaper.

I would say that funds, or lack of them, plays more of a part in dealing with my

cancer after-care than I would like. But there's only so much we can do. I'm

sans insurance now, too. So, just trying to stay out of health trouble!

ar

> AR- I am sorry to hear of your unemployment. Finances are a huge part for me

as well especially when trying to eat healthy and take the right supplements. I

have limited health insurance and limited

> financial resources so...I do what I can. I want to use what resources I have

wisely so as not to waste them on the wrong things.

> I will check with Melatonin but I have taken it before for sleeping issues. I

have not found a naturopath especially one that takes my insurance. I live in

the NYC area so I need to ask around a bit more. As I posted above to Lois- I

have an appointment with the integrative medicine dr next month.

>

Posted March 24, 2011 · March 24, 2011

Hi ,

Welcome to the group. You've already been given some good advice here.

Last May I underwent lumpectomy and partial lymph node dissection for my IDC

stage 3a ER+ breast cancer - same as you. I'm also otherwise healthy and

very athletic, so we seem to have a couple of things in common.

I chose not to undergo radiation, chemo or further lymph node surgery. I

also researched carefully and chose other methods of estrogen blocking

instead of Tamoxifen. There is now much research that shows while tamoxifen

may protect against a reoccurrence of ER+ breast cancer, it can also cause a

worse form of breast cancer.

For example, according to a 2009 study by Li, M.D., Ph.D., and

colleagues at Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center, ER positive breast

cancer is very common, tends not to be aggressive and is responsive to

estrogen-blocking therapy. This research study revealed that Tamoxifen use

increases the risk of women developing a second and far more dangerous type

of breast cancer by a stunning 440 percent.

A secondary type of ER negative cancer can develop as a malignant tumor in

the breast opposite, or contralateral, to the initial tumor. If so, it is an

aggressive, difficult-to-treat type of cancer with a poor prognosis. In

other words, it is far more likely to spread and potentially kill.

Long term tamoxifen use has also been linked to uterine cancer. I recommend

you do some reading of your own in this regard, and/or email me off-list and

I can send you some documents I've collected.

If you are pre-menopausal, then there are some very good natural supplements

you can take that don't have side effects and are much safer to take. Both

my ND and my integrative doctor recommend these to block and balance

estrogens.

I-3-C blocks estrogens

I-3-C not only weakens estrogen and keeps chemicals out of cells, it also

goes after cancer in ways similar to tamoxifen. It, like tamoxifen,

interrupts the cell cycle. In studies from the University of California

mentioned above, I3C inhibited the growth of estrogen receptor-positive

breast cancer cells by 90% compared to tamoxifen's 60% by stopping the cell

cycle. (Adding tamoxifen to I3C gave only a 5% boost.)

Warning: Do not take more than 400mg per day or the effects can reverse.

DIM - blocks estrogens

DIM and calcium d-glucarate have two distinct and complementary effects. DIM

metabolizes 16-OHE (dangerous form of estriol metabolite) to a more benign

2-OHE.

Important: one should be aware and adherent to the correct dosis.

Calcium D-Glucarate

A healthy liver is responsible for processing and removing excess estrogen.

CD-G assists in the binding of toxins in the liver for eventual removal by

the bile and urine. The enzyme beta-glucuronidase tends to " unbind " these

complexes and thus returns the toxins to the system. Glucarate inhibits the

activity of that enzyme and reinforces the bonds, helping in the

detoxification of excessive estrogen and other elements we need to

eliminate.

To detoxify or to prevent the unwanted accumulation of " bad " estrogen and

xeno-estrogens, take both DIM and Calcium D-Glucarate.

Note: Glucarate can interfere with the absorption of some pharmaceutical

drugs so if on medication, consult your physician.

Diet is very important. Here is a good on-line list of foods containing

estrogen (foods to be avoided) and foods that block estrogen (to be eaten

daily). I adhere to this list faithfully and don't consume dairy, gluten,

alcohol, caffeine or ingest sugar or sweetener of any kind. And yes. there

is still lots to eat!

http://dogtorj.tripod.com/id45.html

There are many foods and natural supplements that will help you to fight

cancer and to boost your immune system. Boosting your immune system long

term should be highest priority for any cancer patient, but especially for

you, after chemo.

Some of the brassia family that do help to fight cancer also tend to lower

your thyroid, which may be low already. As I understand it, many breast

cancer patients have low thyroid to begin with. Supplementation with iodine

and potassium iodide like Lugol's solution or in tablet form " Idoral " is

likely going to be important for you - under a doctor's supervision of

course.

I think the vit D question has been answered adequately for you already.

Even with limited funds, a good ND or integrative doctor is really important.

Have the extensive bloodwork, hair sampling and urinalysis tests done to get

baselines for all your values, potential toxicities and deficiencies. Get your

thyroid levels checked and get a full hormone panel

done. Ask for a live cell microscopy to check for blood values, yeast/fungus

and parasites. You'd be amazed at what even us very healthy, athletic gals

can have going on - I was.

All the best,

Barbara

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wrote:

My questions are what should I be doing besides the conventional medicines

and regular exercise to help make sure my cancer stays away for good? I am

Estrogon + so concerned about that. I have been reading about Vit D levels.

Mine is currently 31 ng. Is that good or does it seem low? Hard to find a

straight answer on what is " normal " or what is ideal. Nutrition for estrogen

+ patients? Iodine levels? I have looked through this group a bit but there

is so much information to weed through and I have so much to learn!

Anyway, wanted to introduce myself.

Thanks for reading and any suggestions welcome.

Posted March 24, 2011 · March 24, 2011

Hi, I am new to the group and had a liver biopsy today. I had my every 5 year

colonoscopy that found pre cancer polyps. Then on a liver ultrasound to keep

track of of my fatty liver they saw what may be cystitis or tumors. They are

tiny and have not found cancer anywhere else yet. What is written below is so

very true. I have lived a life filled with anger, sadness, rejection. In chinese

medicine you keep your anger in your liver and I wonder that I have problems. I

am in counseling and she does body work on me using these techniques. If I hate

myself my body cannot heal as all my energy is going to the anger. I also grow

holy basil in pots on my deck. My primary care doctor is a naturopath and I want

her to be in charge of this whole thing, she is doing an outstanding job. If I

have cancer that will be hard but stopping the stress, thats really hard. Take

care all

Donna

On Mar 23, 2011, at 3:32 PM, gary williams wrote:

>

> :

> Many of the best doctors , consultants , healers strongly

> believe that at least 80% of diseases are caused by

> STRESS. I suggest , meditation , TFT, EFT emotional

> freedom technique , taking herbs like Holy Basil.

> , Your Health Crusader

Posted March 25, 2011 · March 25, 2011

Hi ,

I'm glad you're with us and survived treatments. there are several things I

would suggest .First, I must say I'm NOT a Doctor and this is just my opinions.

Vitamin D can prevent 77% 0f all cancers and 55% of breast cancers. 30ng is the

very low standard for normal and anyone dealing with cancer should strive for

70ng to 90ng this is theraputical level.

You may want to think about using natural progesterone cream. Progesterone will

help block estrogen receptors. The breast uses the second largest amount of

iodine in the body. You can use iodine supplements but I believe the best route

is 1/2 tsp or more of powder kelp a day. Kelp will provide iodine and other

trace minerals. Take selenium also.

Anyone with cancer should eat a cup of raspberies a day, eat an apple a day with

the peel and eat the seeds. You should be getting plenty of omega 3 oil, Fish,

walnut and flaxseeds are a good source. Avoid vegtable oils, they are high in

omega 6 and cause inflammation. Drink plenty of green tea . Avoid sugar and

processed food.

If you eat red meat, keep the amount down and only eat grass fed beef. If I

were you I would make sure to get a good water filter chlorine is posion. Eat

plenty of fresh veggies. Onions are very good and high in Qurcetin. Dr. Rath

and Dr. ing state that we need at least 4gm of vitamin C a day with Lysine

and green tea for cancer.

Exercise is good but don't push to exhustion ,your body needs energy to recoup

..Try a Rebounder or a mini trampoline to move and stimulate the lymph system and

do breast massages.

I hope this was helpful . Let me know if you need futher information