Re: Re: Water Filter Suggestions...

[Guest guest]

I use RO water, and I also blend greens daily. I have never researchd

nor experienced a demineralization of body while drinking RO water.

then again, I'd imagine that would b hard to experience when u are

putting high nutrients daily anyway to notice if there is a negative

impact of RO water.

about alkaline water... since it's based on the paradigm model of

acid/alkalinity balance in the body.. isn't it more sensible to ensure

high reserves (buffers for) of alkalinity for the body to naturally do

its thing of proper pH balance? I can see the short term and

immediate effect of alkaline water...but in the end, the body's

buffers for alkalinity seem more important compared to running

alkaline water thru the body. I suppose every little bit helps tho...

I considered an alkaline system, initially, but after some thot about

the fundamentals and how the body deals w pH...it made sense to focus

on the core...or the reserves for the body to ensure alkalinity...

On 5/29/09, Sweet <0o1one@...> wrote:

> We used the Jupiter water filter and alkalyser. Alkalising the water has had

> an apparent detoxification effect, has the " I'm being good to myself "

> feel-good effect, and tests as being beneficial under kinesiology. From what

> research I have done it seems that the theory behind alkaline water is good.

>

> Oh - and it comes with a water filter that traps chlorine, metals and to

> some extent converts sodium monofluorophosphate to calcium fluoride, so is

> good. I have heard that demineralised water (reverse osmosis, distilled) has

> an acid-forming effect upon the body and leaches minerals, but have not

> chased up evidence of this.

>

> Any references for the latter anyone?

>

[Guest guest]

Hello ,

There is no leaching of munerals from the body with the use of eother

distilled water or reverse osmosis water.

Mike

Friday, May 29, 2009, 9:40:13 PM, you wrote:

MS> We used the Jupiter water filter and alkalyser. Alkalising the water has had

MS> an apparent detoxification effect, has the " I'm being good to myself "

MS> feel-good effect, and tests as being beneficial under kinesiology. From what

MS> research I have done it seems that the theory behind alkaline water is good.

MS> Oh - and it comes with a water filter that traps chlorine, metals and to

MS> some extent converts sodium monofluorophosphate to calcium fluoride, so is

MS> good. I have heard that demineralised water (reverse osmosis, distilled) has

MS> an acid-forming effect upon the body and leaches minerals, but have not

MS> chased up evidence of this.

MS> Any references for the latter anyone?

--

Best regards,

Mike mailto:goldenmike@...

[Guest guest]

Hello ,

The calcium and magnesium naturally occuring in some ground water

does tend to alkalize it. This is not significant in regard to

hiuman consumption of it. Rain water is the same thing as distilled

water. Rain waters the ecosystem and organisms are adapted to it.

By this I mean that the plants we eat have been watered with

distilled water.

Minerals in our systems are derived from plant sources, the minerals

being drawn form the soil. These plant complexed minerals are more

bioavailable and they represent most of our body mineral load.

The process for retaining or dumping minerals from the system of

animals, including humans, is complex and hormonally driven. Outside

of pathological water consumption, as seen in some psychiatric

disorders, water will not leach minerals from the system. The

pathological consumption of extreme quantities of water can create a

medical emergency situation due to sodium depletion from the nervous

system. This will happen with all sorts of water with low solute

content, not just distilled or RO water.

Mike

Sunday, May 31, 2009, 6:30:36 AM, you wrote:

MS> " Mike Golden wrote: " There is no leaching of minerals from the

MS> body with the use of either distilled water or reverse osmosis water. "

>>

MS> Any references for that?

MS> My concept as to why demineralised water may leach is that, according to

MS> what I read . . .

MS> 1. RO water has an acid-forming effect in the body

MS> 2. This is due to the mineralisation required by our bodies to

MS> transport (the osmosis trick) the water through the stomach lining (?) and

MS> intestines, and further to maintain the mineral balance of the blood.

MS> I have also been advised to add a pinch of unrefined sea-salt to each glass

MS> of water so as to improve uptake of water into the cells (?)

MS> Any better info than these vague ideas, please advise.

--

Best regards,

Mike mailto:goldenmike@...

[Guest guest]

Hello Marjij,

I'm going to shoot it down by saying we are not metal pipes. Mineral

absorption, transport , storage and elimination in the human body are

mediated by complicated interractions of hormones, Putting distilled

water into your stomach will have no effect on this.

Distilled water is not acidic, by the way. In fact, the

disassociation of hydrogen in distilled water is the yardstick by

which the whole pH system was created. Distilled water has a pH of

7.0, which, is not only neutral, it actually defines neutrality in

the pH system.

Mike

Tuesday, June 2, 2009, 9:37:43 PM, you wrote:

mac> Responding to Mike Golden:

mac>

mac> I read recently that the World Health Organization had investigated

mac> using desalinated sea water to provide water to third world nations. When

the

mac> water was desalinated it was done by the usual distillization process.

mac> When they piped the distilled water over miles of pipe to reach the inner

mac> parts of the countries, the water had become contaminated with materials

mac> leached from the pipes, either metal pipes or PVC, or whatever kind they

were

mac> using. They said that the distilled water was extremely acid and it

easily

mac> combined with minerals or metals it came in contact with.

mac>

mac> Therefore, I was advised not to use distilled water to drink, both because

mac> it was so acid, and because it would indeed combine with minerals in the

mac> body. And because of this problem the WHO were scratching their heads

about

mac> how to provide water to these arid areas.

mac>

mac> I know you're going to shoot this theory down, and I'm excited to see how

mac> you are going to do it.

mac>

mac> Marji

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[Guest guest]

I did a quick google search and found this:

http://www.lenntech.com/demi-water-faq.htm

it appears, it's not the pH balance that we have to be concerned

about... it's the " aggressiveness " of the water that is what

" demineralizes " what it touches...

Kelvin

On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 10:10 PM, Mike Golden <goldenmike@...> wrote:

>

>

> Hello Marjij,

>

> I'm going to shoot it down by saying we are not metal pipes. Mineral

> absorption, transport , storage and elimination in the human body are

> mediated by complicated interractions of hormones, Putting distilled

> water into your stomach will have no effect on this.

> Distilled water is not acidic, by the way. In fact, the

> disassociation of hydrogen in distilled water is the yardstick by

> which the whole pH system was created. Distilled water has a pH of

> 7.0, which, is not only neutral, it actually defines neutrality in

> the pH system.

>

> Mike

>

> Tuesday, June 2, 2009, 9:37:43 PM, you wrote:

>

> mac> Responding to Mike Golden:

> mac>

> mac> I read recently that the World Health Organization had investigated

> mac> using desalinated sea water to provide water to third world nations.

> When the

> mac> water was desalinated it was done by the usual distillization process.

> mac> When they piped the distilled water over miles of pipe to reach the

> inner

> mac> parts of the countries, the water had become contaminated with

> materials

> mac> leached from the pipes, either metal pipes or PVC, or whatever kind

> they were

> mac> using. They said that the distilled water was extremely acid and it

> easily

> mac> combined with minerals or metals it came in contact with.

> mac>

> mac> Therefore, I was advised not to use distilled water to drink, both

> because

> mac> it was so acid, and because it would indeed combine with minerals in

> the

> mac> body. And because of this problem the WHO were scratching their heads

> about

> mac> how to provide water to these arid areas.

> mac>

> mac> I know you're going to shoot this theory down, and I'm excited to see

> how

> mac> you are going to do it.

> mac>

> mac> Marji

> mac> **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2

> Easy

> mac> Steps!

> mac>

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> mac>

[Guest guest]

pH level is separate from the " aggressiveness " of water. when water

is " too pure " it will seek to ... " adhere " itself to minerals. I

remember having a talk with the water system installer guy when i

installed the hague home water system a year ago. He told me that

they put in potassium or sodium to mix with the water b/c the water

has to bond with a mineral (or minerals). not knowing any better, I

also installed an RO system... but (and i still have to research this)

after reading your post and some preliminary research, I'm questioning

the wisdom in having an RO system. i think it's fine for the majority

use I use the RO for... my green smoothies - which have plenty

minerals for it to adhere to. i think the concern should be more when

i drink the RO water straight.

while we are not pipes, considering the trait of aggressive water, it

still has to adhere to some minerals. by logic, if you drink it

straight, the water will find the minerals on the way in, thru your

system, and out ... happy with the minerals it finds going thru your

system and coming out " bonded " with those minerals ... therefore

making the water " not so aggressive. "

anyway, that's my take regarding the aggressiveness of water...

further google reading is required before I can come to a conclusion

worth sticking with and making decisions on.

Kelvin

On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 11:23 AM, <marjij@...> wrote:

>

>

> Is it my litmus paper? Vinegar comes out almost colorless...way lighter

> than the chart's lower limit of 6.0, bicarbonate of soda solution is

> midnight blue, off the other end of the chart, Eidon liquid mineral solution

> comes out 6.4, and Distilled Water I have had for awhile (expiration date

> 3-9,

> in soft plastic bottle)... Distilled Water came out 6.2 pH. When I dipped

> another piece in the water it was only 6.0.

>

> Aside from this discrepancy, I am pleased to be reassured we are not

> metal pipes. Your reasoning is so sensible, as usual, but why on earth is

> there still this horrendous controversy raging about whether or not

> distilled

> water is safe to drink? Some things never get resolved, but this one should

> be testable and settled once and for all.

>

> But maybe not. You couldn't just pour distilled water down a pig's

> esophagus and test what comes out the other end... many things would be

> present

> in the outcome, but not necessarily due to the pH of the carrier. I still

> don't know what to drink.

>

> Marji

>

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[Guest guest]

Marji..

My personal opinion is that pure water, without the added municipal

chemicals, is best.

Several water filtering methods exist to get pretty pure water (not

distilled, not reverse osmosis) from the city water supply. Scratch the

chlorine and the fluorides and other chemicals, and most water is pretty

good.

I really like pure filtered water..

Small hand-held pH meters exist (around $130?) which are a lot more

accurate than pH strips. Your pH paper may be a narrow range paper,

rather than having a range of pH 4 to pH 10. The nominal range of the

paper is usually marked on the box.

My 2¢ .. Dave

www.dfe.net

On 6/3/2009 11:23:17 AM, marjij@... wrote:

Is it my litmus paper? Vinegar comes out almost colorless...way lighter

than the chart's lower limit of 6.0, bicarbonate of soda solution is

midnight blue, off the other end of the chart, Eidon liquid mineral

solution

comes out 6.4, and Distilled Water I have had for awhile (expiration

date 3-9,

in soft plastic bottle)... Distilled Water came out 6.2 pH. When I dipped

another piece in the water it was only 6.0.

Aside from this discrepancy, I am pleased to be reassured we are not

metal pipes. Your reasoning is so sensible, as usual, but why on earth is

there still this horrendous controversy raging about whether or not

distilled

water is safe to drink? Some things never get resolved, but this one

should

be testable and settled once and for all.

But maybe not. You couldn't just pour distilled water down a pig's

esophagus and test what comes out the other end... many things would be

present

in the outcome, but not necessarily due to the pH of the carrier. I still

don't know what to drink.

Marji

[Guest guest]

You are right about the first point. Water is a versatile solvent. The

lower the solute concentration, the greater it's ability to dissolve

chemicals it comes in contact with.

However, in biological systems, that water you drink does not flow

through you like an inert pipe. It does not go from mouth to bladder.

It is absorbed into the circulatory system. At that point it no longer

matters whether it was distilled or hard water to begin with. The

feedback systems of the body determine what solutes to pass through the

kidneys, what solutes to retain, and how much fluid to dump. This is

controlled by the endocrine system with hormones such as ADH from the

neurohypophysis, a sodium sensitive hormone from the heart itself,

various adrenal cortical hormones, and angiotensin and aldosterone which

moderate kidney function. The water(and the solutes it contains) that

hits the bladder is put there as the end product of an carefully

balanced homeostatic negative feedback system.

We get most of our minerals from food and we dump minerals constantly.

Drinking distilled water won't be any different than drinking hard

water, The major difference would be that we can say with some

certainty that there will be no pollution in the distilled (or reverse

osmosis) water.

Mike

Kelvin wrote:

>

>

> pH level is separate from the " aggressiveness " of water. when water

> is " too pure " it will seek to ... " adhere " itself to minerals. I

> remember having a talk with the water system installer guy when i

> installed the hague home water system a year ago. He told me that

> they put in potassium or sodium to mix with the water b/c the water

> has to bond with a mineral (or minerals). not knowing any better, I

> also installed an RO system... but (and i still have to research this)

> after reading your post and some preliminary research, I'm questioning

> the wisdom in having an RO system. i think it's fine for the majority

> use I use the RO for... my green smoothies - which have plenty

> minerals for it to adhere to. i think the concern should be more when

> i drink the RO water straight.

>

> while we are not pipes, considering the trait of aggressive water, it

> still has to adhere to some minerals. by logic, if you drink it

> straight, the water will find the minerals on the way in, thru your

> system, and out ... happy with the minerals it finds going thru your

> system and coming out " bonded " with those minerals ... therefore

> making the water " not so aggressive. "

>

> anyway, that's my take regarding the aggressiveness of water...

> further google reading is required before I can come to a conclusion

> worth sticking with and making decisions on.

> Kelvin

>

> On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 11:23 AM, <marjij@...

> <mailto:marjij%40aol.com>> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Is it my litmus paper? Vinegar comes out almost colorless...way lighter

> > than the chart's lower limit of 6.0, bicarbonate of soda solution is

> > midnight blue, off the other end of the chart, Eidon liquid mineral

> solution

> > comes out 6.4, and Distilled Water I have had for awhile (expiration

> date

> > 3-9,

> > in soft plastic bottle)... Distilled Water came out 6.2 pH. When I

> dipped

> > another piece in the water it was only 6.0.

> >

> > Aside from this discrepancy, I am pleased to be reassured we are not

> > metal pipes. Your reasoning is so sensible, as usual, but why on

> earth is

> > there still this horrendous controversy raging about whether or not

> > distilled

> > water is safe to drink? Some things never get resolved, but this one

> should

> > be testable and settled once and for all.

> >

> > But maybe not. You couldn't just pour distilled water down a pig's

> > esophagus and test what comes out the other end... many things would be

> > present

> > in the outcome, but not necessarily due to the pH of the carrier. I

> still

> > don't know what to drink.

> >

> > Marji

> >

> > **************Shop Inspiron, Studio and XPS Laptops at Dell.com

> >

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[Guest guest]

Hi Mike,

thank you for your input! I like your answer (for my gap of

knowledge). what you say makes A LOT of sense to me. since we do

get a lot of minterals from the many sources we take in, it would make

sense that water then becomes a matter of taste than concern for

health impact. I would also assume that this is the same for pH of

water... considering our bodies have buffers of alkalinity to help

maintain blood pH, what is more important is our bodies buffers of

alkalinity than it is the importance of water pH.

that said, I think pH water is useful for washing produce (the acid

water) and skin... other than that... is it more hype than help for

drinking " alkaline " water? it would appear so to me. thots?

thanks!

Kelvin

On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 1:51 PM, Mike Golden <goldenmike@...> wrote:

>

>

> You are right about the first point. Water is a versatile solvent. The

> lower the solute concentration, the greater it's ability to dissolve

> chemicals it comes in contact with.

> However, in biological systems, that water you drink does not flow

> through you like an inert pipe. It does not go from mouth to bladder.

> It is absorbed into the circulatory system. At that point it no longer

> matters whether it was distilled or hard water to begin with. The

> feedback systems of the body determine what solutes to pass through the

> kidneys, what solutes to retain, and how much fluid to dump. This is

> controlled by the endocrine system with hormones such as ADH from the

> neurohypophysis, a sodium sensitive hormone from the heart itself,

> various adrenal cortical hormones, and angiotensin and aldosterone which

> moderate kidney function. The water(and the solutes it contains) that

> hits the bladder is put there as the end product of an carefully

> balanced homeostatic negative feedback system.

> We get most of our minerals from food and we dump minerals constantly.

> Drinking distilled water won't be any different than drinking hard

> water, The major difference would be that we can say with some

> certainty that there will be no pollution in the distilled (or reverse

> osmosis) water.

>

> Mike

>